2022 Election
flollo wrote:Can someone explain this ICAC thing to me? Don't we already have a legal framework with an execution arm (federal police) to prosecute corruption? We don't need ICAC to prosecute such prevalent corruption (if there is so much corruption according to some). I get it that ICAC should have a broader scope (for example looking into AFP and also setting integrity guidelines for MP behavior etc...). But if corruption is so obvious and prevalent some people should be arrested even with the current setup. What am I missing here?
Follio an ICAC is not a policing body.
Its more like a standing Royal commission with powers greater than police totally independent that investigates and reports just like any Royal Commission.
Any criminal conduct is handed to federal or state prosecutor's.
More importantly it reports publicly misconduct and broken codes of conduct / conflicts.
If one existed now more than 1/2 of the current cabinet would be thrown out and the Coalition know it.
Such is the extreme secrecy, deceit and messing with and redacting of FOI an ICAC is urgently required.
For the future of Australian Federal Governments to conduct themselves without endemic corruption and self-serving hands in the public purse its critical.
Sex scandals in office? Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more! https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1063303...
suchas wrote:Sex scandals in office? Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more! https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1063303...
At least he is consistent.
Sex claims….consumes SN forum for days. Nothing proven, yet the ALP fanboys go hard. Funny stuff.
Nothing but an attempt to get clicks on a social media account.
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:But are you ok with high level of govt engaging in paid sexual acts?
.Is that really what your Jordies skandal stuff is about????
Really thats it???
Um hello its 2022 in all honestly i couldn't give a FK as long as it's legal and consenting what's the issue???
Free sex, paid sex, solo sex, strippers, lap dances, gay sex, trans sex, not my business what they do and if they have a partner, although it's not a good look, really that's between them.
So you have no problem with this going on in the prayer room of parliament house ? Really ? As long as the economy is ok in your world everything is all good . Fair enough indo , gives me a better understanding of your way of thinking.
Each to their own, yes sadly some do base their vote on Irrelevant side issues that all parties have anyway.
While yes some vote for the party who has a proven track record of managing the economy being in power for the majority of the 27+ years without a recession, and seeing interest rates low for long periods and unemployment rate low for long for periods, and off course got us through a once in 100 year pandemic with a big tick both from a health and economy perspective.
Oh and the bonus is the LNP aren't going to be hitting you over the head with a whole heap of woke BS.
seeds wrote:Indo what’s your thoughts about Labor’s plan for aged care plans. It would benefit your household as I remember you said your wife works in the industry.
It's not something i base my vote on, but rather a silver lining in a very dark sky if Labor get in.
OL @AlboMP confirms WA man with 'tough question' who interrupted the press conference yesterday was associated with the Advance Australia truck that was displaying the CCP ad depicting President Xi Jiping voting for Labor. #wapol #ausvotes pic.twitter.com/sMJ6tE0f9c
— David Marler (@Qldaah) April 7, 2022
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/qldaah/status/1511963694758244353?s=21&t=gEFLlrZ8Ji7...
Who would have thunk that?
Seeds No it wasn't a plan when Albo announced it. It was the only concrete policy he came out with. I think the whole idea is really good. But can it be implicated? Holes have been shot through it already ie no guarantee on nurses and I read somewhere the Health union is guaranteeing a large donation to Labor if they commit to raising wages.
I don't scour through every media outlet looking for info on Lib or Labor policy or scandals like some here (mainly Lib scandals by the looks of things) but as I've said before and I mainly vote Liberal as I'm in business for myself. I'm looking for a party to grab this election by the balls as there is a massive opportunity imo for a party to do that. It seems quite a few people are looking for a different type of governing. I don't see it from any party. Labor so far has said sfa so far. To be fair the election hasn't been called so that may come. I don't want to hear a whole lot of promises which cant be funded or implemented. When Albo announced the one nurse thing I immediately thought how the fuck do you do that? There's a massive shortage of nurses etc in the hospitals. If he's coming up with those sorts of hollow ideas already, which is a fantastic idea by the way, I start to lose interest a bit. I'm sitting on the fence with how I vote this election. Let's hope we get some great policies which aren't hollow promises which aren't feasible. I think Mark McGowan is doing a great job in our state but I don't consider him to be a full on Labor politician. Plus he has had it relatively easy compared to the rest of the country which would be tough. No party would have been anywhere near perfect during the last 3 -5 years federally anyway.
I mean it’s a great policy that would need to be worked towards as it couldn’t be implemented immediately. Such as incentivising nursing degrees. Subsidising uni fees.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:But are you ok with high level of govt engaging in paid sexual acts?
.Is that really what your Jordies skandal stuff is about????
Really thats it???
Um hello its 2022 in all honestly i couldn't give a FK as long as it's legal and consenting what's the issue???
Free sex, paid sex, solo sex, strippers, lap dances, gay sex, trans sex, not my business what they do and if they have a partner, although it's not a good look, really that's between them.
So you have no problem with this going on in the prayer room of parliament house ? Really ? As long as the economy is ok in your world everything is all good . Fair enough indo , gives me a better understanding of your way of thinking.
Each to their own, yes sadly some do base their vote on Irrelevant side issues that all parties have anyway.
While yes some vote for the party who has a proven track record of managing the economy being in power for the majority of the 27+ years without a recession, and seeing interest rates low for long periods and unemployment rate low for long for periods, and off course got us through a once in 100 year pandemic with a big tick both from a health and economy perspective.
Oh and the bonus is the LNP aren't going to be hitting you over the head with a whole heap of woke BS.
So all cool with corruption, probably bordering on criminality. Might as well get rid of govt all together and have organised crime or mafia style set up run country. They would get the economy ticking over! That is the most relevant factor!
Mate, Australia is starting to make Indo look transparent, least they have KKK.
Also question for you.
You mentioned you are a tradie and doing well with current circumstances. Ok cool. Oz tradies probably highest paid in world, and I am happy for them. Have many mates doing real well. However if LNP are truly free market blah blah, you would have no problem with this scenario.
I did quite a few building projects in Bali. You would be cool for me to fly over my crew I used to build houses here, geez back then we were paying labour above going rate at Rp. 50k per day and trade/ engineer etc around To. 150k per day. Reckon could bring in crew and do jobs for way less than half labour cost in oz. Reckon could bring down housing costs, force down wages of trades person, (LNP policy in other industries) which would help the housing market. Reckon if LNP suggested freezing wages or putting a cap on what tradies can get paid per hour you would be having a different take on the matter.
Yeah unlikely stupid scenario, but that is what is happening in other areas of economy. And that's ok cause it's LNP policy....
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:But are you ok with high level of govt engaging in paid sexual acts?
.Is that really what your Jordies skandal stuff is about????
Really thats it???
Um hello its 2022 in all honestly i couldn't give a FK as long as it's legal and consenting what's the issue???
Free sex, paid sex, solo sex, strippers, lap dances, gay sex, trans sex, not my business what they do and if they have a partner, although it's not a good look, really that's between them.
So you have no problem with this going on in the prayer room of parliament house ? Really ? As long as the economy is ok in your world everything is all good . Fair enough indo , gives me a better understanding of your way of thinking.
Each to their own, yes sadly some do base their vote on Irrelevant side issues that all parties have anyway.
While yes some vote for the party who has a proven track record of managing the economy being in power for the majority of the 27+ years without a recession, and seeing interest rates low for long periods and unemployment rate low for long for periods, and off course got us through a once in 100 year pandemic with a big tick both from a health and economy perspective.
Oh and the bonus is the LNP aren't going to be hitting you over the head with a whole heap of woke BS.
The sex scandal should be nothing, but the house was warned by the AFP that their behaviours could leave them exposed to being compromised by foreign or domestic agents at the expense of National security.
But hey as long as you’re getting paid, really nothing to worry about. Unless you’re concerned our politicians could further expose the interests of Australia to outside influence.
Oh and if it’s a competition in BS then mate you’re backing the right Pony. Scotty’s the champ.
andy mac re halving tradies prices etc.........good luck. You would be broke in no time. Plenty have tried it. The only ones who are reasonably successful are the ones who just want to survive day to day, have no super, pay no insurance, so run the risk of someone getting hurt... stuff that! (a mate of mine does this)and pay cash to people that work for him. If he can get someone. No money in the bank, just enough to get by. Sounds dreamy.
Tradies are doing well but most are smarter these days and work to get ahead. I've been in the building industry for 40 years and know a lot. You bet I'm getting paid for my 40 years of experience. I have agencies for materials as well so don't just rely on install thankfully.
I'm having back surgery Monday. He get's paid a hell of a lot more than me but I bet he cant do half the things that I can do.
Good luck for Monday.
oxrox wrote:andy mac re halving tradies prices etc.........good luck. You would be broke in no time. Plenty have tried it. The only ones who are reasonably successful are the ones who just want to survive day to day, have no super, pay no insurance, so run the risk of someone getting hurt... stuff that! (a mate of mine does this)and pay cash to people that work for him. If he can get someone. No money in the bank, just enough to get by. Sounds dreamy.
Tradies are doing well but most are smarter these days and work to get ahead. I've been in the building industry for 40 years and know a lot. You bet I'm getting paid for my 40 years of experience. I have agencies for materials as well so don't just rely on install thankfully.
I'm having back surgery Monday. He get's paid a hell of a lot more than me but I bet he cant do half the things that I can do.
I hope all goes well with your surgery.
Re tradies, I believe they earn every cent they make and deserve to be paid very well as it is skilled and hard work.
My point was that the LNP actively seek to keep wages low in some industries, as they admit to. If take free market to extreme I should be able to put a crew of workers/ tradies on a plane from Indonesia/ Sri Lanka wherever have them live in site pay them double what they would earn at home and get job done under cutting local workers. If all contractors starting doing this yes, wages would drop for tradespeople. Do I like this idea? No.
But Indo keeps saying the LNP need to keep wages low to keep inflation down, but it seems he is only referring to anyone elses wages but his own.
Side note, remember Gina Rhinehart wanted to bring in immigrant workers for her mines and pay them next to nothing and complains about high wages in Oz. Why not do this for trades? Be good for economy!!
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Unbelievable. How bad is that? If I was in the area I would buy something from this bakery straight away.
flow thank you.
Re bakery ... what is happening with this country??
andy mac You could bring in the Indo's etc but cost of living etc always catches up with anyone trying to do that. Not only that but they realize how good they have it at home. Oz is too hard. You have to turn up to work at a certain time every day and work full 8 - 10hr days. Anyone who has done this only get's away with it for so long as they work out it's not as good here as what they thought and or they work out what everyone else is earning and want more.
Oh and thanks for the good wishes andy mac.
oxrox wrote:flow thank you.
Re bakery ... what is happening with this country??
andy mac You could bring in the Indo's etc but cost of living etc always catches up with anyone trying to do that. Not only that but they realize how good they have it at home. Oz is too hard. You have to turn up to work at a certain time every day and work full 8 - 10hr days. Anyone who has done this only get's away with it for so long as they work out it's not as good here as what they thought and or they work out what everyone else is earning and want more.
Not if they are living on site getting fed by contractor for projects length then go home? Hypothetically..... Contractors hold their passport. Grubby, but takes place in countries like Dubai, UAE etc
Indo style. Contractors bring in crews from Java and Lombok to Bali exactly like this...
Anyway just trying to use it as example where wages could be suppressed if this kind of thing was allowed.
oxrox wrote:Oh and thanks for the good wishes andy mac.
No worries...
Hope your recovery is quick!
Optimist wrote:I don’t know why Albo can’t be a really decisive man….after all he worked in a bank for a year ….was still in the communist party 18 months after the fall of the wall….but I suppose that bank was his only job outside the Labor party so we’ll have to roll with that….
WTF? I thought you were joking this is scary....why isn't this a big news story????
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:But are you ok with high level of govt engaging in paid sexual acts?
.Is that really what your Jordies skandal stuff is about????
Really thats it???
Um hello its 2022 in all honestly i couldn't give a FK as long as it's legal and consenting what's the issue???
Free sex, paid sex, solo sex, strippers, lap dances, gay sex, trans sex, not my business what they do and if they have a partner, although it's not a good look, really that's between them.
So you have no problem with this going on in the prayer room of parliament house ? Really ? As long as the economy is ok in your world everything is all good . Fair enough indo , gives me a better understanding of your way of thinking.
Each to their own, yes sadly some do base their vote on Irrelevant side issues that all parties have anyway.
While yes some vote for the party who has a proven track record of managing the economy being in power for the majority of the 27+ years without a recession, and seeing interest rates low for long periods and unemployment rate low for long for periods, and off course got us through a once in 100 year pandemic with a big tick both from a health and economy perspective.
Oh and the bonus is the LNP aren't going to be hitting you over the head with a whole heap of woke BS.
So all cool with corruption, probably bordering on criminality. Might as well get rid of govt all together and have organised crime or mafia style set up run country. They would get the economy ticking over! That is the most relevant factor!
Mate, Australia is starting to make Indo look transparent, least they have KKK.
Also question for you.
You mentioned you are a tradie and doing well with current circumstances. Ok cool. Oz tradies probably highest paid in world, and I am happy for them. Have many mates doing real well. However if LNP are truly free market blah blah, you would have no problem with this scenario.
I did quite a few building projects in Bali. You would be cool for me to fly over my crew I used to build houses here, geez back then we were paying labour above going rate at Rp. 50k per day and trade/ engineer etc around To. 150k per day. Reckon could bring in crew and do jobs for way less than half labour cost in oz. Reckon could bring down housing costs, force down wages of trades person, (LNP policy in other industries) which would help the housing market. Reckon if LNP suggested freezing wages or putting a cap on what tradies can get paid per hour you would be having a different take on the matter.
Yeah unlikely stupid scenario, but that is what is happening in other areas of economy. And that's ok cause it's LNP policy....
The reality is there is no easier answers with some of these issues.
Australia has the highest min wage in the world almost $1 USD higher than the second highest min wage, our wages in generally are ridiculously high.
Despite this in some areas we cant get enough people to work, like fruit picking there is two options.
1. You import labor to do it at min price possible.
2. You raise min wage of workers to encourage people to do these jobs.
The problem is if you do this prices of fruit for example must go up, and up a lot which hurts Australians and adds to inflation, the other problem is any imports now become much more attractive price wise and people start buying imports instead.
The big problem Australia has is we are out of scale with the rest of the world, our wages are too high and our cost of living is too high because of high wages that push prices up. (not the other way around)
While all our imports are as cheap as chips, but most are things like clothing, electrical goods, white goods, bikes ect. mostly disposal shit you see out the front on hard rubbish collection day because people dont value that shit anymore because its so cheap.
It's a balancing act, and it's already out of balance and Labor will make it worst, sending more jobs offshore and hurting Aussie export business.
BTW. in the future we are going to see all types of office jobs go offshore, if it can be done from home, it can be done from Asia, and there is no shortage of smart educated people coming up in Asia with a super fast growing middle class plus fast improving tech and internet speeds and things like Zoom
This is how it will happen.
1. Some people start working from home (fast tracked by Covid)
2. They then decide they might move somewhere nicer like down or up the coast even interstate.
3, They then decided fuck it we can move to Bali or Thailand etc.
4. They then get locals to help them in these countries and train them up.
5. Bang the jobs gone offshore.
If you wanted to start a business and make good money, you could show Australia business how they can raise production and cut cost by taking things offshore.
We are currently around 2 but i already know many people at 3 and even 4
Nicely avoiding the corruption bit Indo as usual.
Corruption and shitfuckery is ok as long as the economy for some is ok , too bad if you can’t afford the cost of living ya losers. The only people that are struggling are the losers, serves them right .
seeds wrote:Nicely avoiding the corruption bit Indo as usual.
It's really not of interest to me our levels of corruption are very low and what people even call corruption is questionable, to compare it in any way to somewhere like Indonesia is just completely ridiculous.
I could go on about corruption in Victoria under a state Labor government (talked about on ABC radio today) but again it's not something i have a lot of interest in or going to go on about because again its pretty trivial type stuff.
It's just the angle very pro Labor voters take here because they can't critic the important things like economy or unemployment rates etc because its all been managed so well.
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@indo , sorry to say this mate but you’re delusional if you believe low unemployment is because of anything the LNP have done . Others have tried explaining it to you but you take no notice. A trillion + debt isn’t good management again you are delusional. No doubt you will be against anyone like nurses and paramedics getting a pay rise under labor, I mean really , what do they do for the economy ? You are out of touch with reality indo , living in your bubble on P.I. , your not seeing what’s going on in other parts of the country . People are angry for a reason indo , but you fail to understand this . Fuck your LNP economics.
Indo your media algorithm is all woohoo and shit. And I know you like it just fine.
Very low levels? Come on.
Egg gilf? I don’t know if it’ll get a run.
indo-dreaming wrote:seeds wrote:Nicely avoiding the corruption bit Indo as usual.
It's really not of interest to me our levels of corruption are very low and what people even call corruption is questionable, to compare it in any way to somewhere like Indonesia is just completely ridiculous.
I could go on about corruption in Victoria under a state Labor government (talked about on ABC radio today) but again it's not something i have a lot of interest in or going to go on about because again its pretty trivial type stuff.
It's just the angle very pro Labor voters take here because they can't critic the important things like economy or unemployment rates etc because its all been managed so well.
Our level of corruption is low????
Have you been hiding under a rock?
Geez the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one .....
Enough shitfuckery happening to keep ICAC busy for next decade. And that's just with Angus Taylor (◠‿・)
This is 2 years old so plenty more could be added....
https://newpolitics.com.au/2020/02/20/a-short-history-of-corruption/
That was a very good byline there TBB, easter egg hunt, ha!
Supafreak wrote:@indo , sorry to say this mate but you’re delusional if you believe low unemployment is because of anything the LNP have done . Others have tried explaining it to you but you take no notice. A trillion + debt isn’t good management again you are delusional. No doubt you will be against anyone like nurses and paramedics getting a pay rise under labor, I mean really , what do they do for the economy ? You are out of touch with reality indo , living in your bubble on P.I. , your not seeing what’s going on in other parts of the country . People are angry for a reason indo , but you fail to understand this . Fuck your LNP economics.
Ha ha okay so the government who actually run the country now have nothing to do with keeping unemployment low and creating jobs.
You been smoking cones this afternoon?
Im sure if unemployment rates were high you would blame LNP.
You cant have it both ways.
LNP look after business small and big which create jobs
Here is the evidence (okay you can ignore the big Covid spike as that is down to lack of immigration etc)
But you can clearly see under Hawk/Keating barely any jobs were created and there was a huge drop at one point. (went up roughly 50,000)
Under Howard reign a few years less much more jobs were created. (went up roughly 100,000)
Under Rudd/Gillard actually went DOWN close to 50,000)
Under Abbott/ Turnbull/Scomo went up close to 100,000 before Covid, then over 300,000 after.
These are facts and figures and they dont care about your feelings, i have no interested in people who think they know better just because they are pro Labor (this others have explained to you BS)
While we are at it lets look at interest rates again, now sure there is a global influence to things, but a good government can help counter act these influences and keep things in check a bad government does the opposite.
Now tell me who has done better historically in the last 50 years?
LNP are clear winners in both areas, now you might not care about these things and be more concerned about who's shagging who or some corruption that is even questionable to call it corruption, or how likeable a PM is, but i don't.
BTW. Howard wasn't exactly well liked, but he ran a very successful government so people couldn't help but vote him back in.
PS. like i said yesterday that line dividing Keating and Howard should at 96 not 93.
In regard to debt, the world is changing how they view debt and manage these things and as been said before there is good times to borrow and bad times to borrow, interest rates have been at historic lows so it has been a very good time to borrow especially the last five years, and as I've pointed out what is most important is debt to GDP which globally we are way way down the list there is only a couple of developed countries with lower debt to GDP rates than us, the odd country in Europe and NZ.
BTW. Nobody is saying people shouldn't have wage growth, its more just understanding the importance of keeping it in check, because it has an influence on other things like inflation that influence interest rates etc, its a balancing act and LNP are much better at balancing things as the graphs prove. (not opinion based but fact and figure based)
Like I said you’re delusional , its 2022 and you’re talking about howard and keating , you keep repeating the same things over and over again trying to convince yourself that this current government is the best economy managers and Australians are fools if they vote this awesome government out . How good is the Scott Morrison Party !
How does this report fit in with your best economy managers. You are also easily fooled by the SMP unemployment figures and what is it to be considered employed , how many hours indo ? http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/asiapacific/20220303/082227f38f2a403daa.... https://bcec.edu.au/assets/2022/03/BCEC-Poverty-and-Disadvantage-Report-...
https://mobile.twitter.com/BazzaRyder/status/1124447080188039168?ref_src...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/australias-ec...
Just throwing stuff back and forth.
Have a good weekend!
Looking at the past is important because we can learn a lot from it, it's easy to call me delusional but you cant argue against the things i point out because it's hard data from reliable sources.
Okay lets talk about recent years under Scomo then.
How have job figures been?
How have interest rates been?
We get hit by a 100 hundred year pandemic, everyone including experts predict a deep dark recession and big fall in real estate market both things also generally cripple the building industry.
But instead the recession is barely noticed and last a few weeks real estate market booms as does the building industry, despite lock downs etc the economy remains quite healthy, off course there was also a fear of Covid from a health perspective, on a global scale we have also done extremely well in this area too.
Success all round, but yeah let's flip a coin on Labor because i dont like Scomo blah blah blah, post another lame anti LNP meme
You're clearly an emotional based voter, you have an idea of what Labor is and what LNP is in your head that was probably formed 30 years ago and it hasn't changed, just like a computer you need to update the new Labor and see if it still fits.
Unless your some twenty something uni student working in a cafe in main beach or a woke office worker that practices all the new pronouns at night before he goes to bed, or some bum on the dole, then i cant see why you would vote for Labor???
I could talk on economics for hours. But for the purpose of this discussion all I will say is that we’ve gone through a decade of expansion and there is a high chance we will go through a decade of contraction (early indicators are pointing that way). It would be foolish to believe that one party or the other can alter and achieve full control of macroeconomic cycles. If labor was in instead of LNP we would still have an expansion. Also, whoever comes next will have a challenging time.
How different governments respond to these cycles is very important. This is where difference between political parties can be seen. Traditionally, you would expect LNP to push the austerity measures. But when was the last time anyone actually heard ‘austerity’ in public space? They’ve gone full on Keynesian but with a dubious allocation of resources. Winners have certainly been business owners and capital investors. With labor that will probably change. And that’s ok, no one will die, world will keep spinning. But it’s important to note that lines have blurred a fair bit and it’s actually harder to predict who will respond in which way.
You still don’t get it indo , people are struggling and not just the flood victims or those that were effected by the fires and have still not recovered. People are struggling with the cost of living and rents , your leaders solution is to go buy a house. If there wasn’t a election coming up , there is no way the federal government would have chipped in for the queensland flood victims. You have written labor off before the election has even been called without even considering all their policies which the details will be released once the election is called . I’m writing the Scott Morrison party off now for his responses to just about everything in the last 2 years. The budget that they just released isn’t going to fix this economy, far from it .
Supafreak wrote:You still don’t get it indo , people are struggling and not just the flood victims or those that were effected by the fires and have still not recovered. People are struggling with the cost of living and rents , your leaders solution is to go buy a house. If there wasn’t a election coming up , there is no way the federal government would have chipped in for the queensland flood victims. You have written labor off before the election has even been called without even considering all their policies which the details will be released once the election is called . I’m writing the Scott Morrison party off now for his responses to just about everything in the last 2 years. The budget that they just released isn’t going to fix this economy, far from it .
Without any doubt I praise labor’s child care policy. There is enough detail on their website to see the benefits. I am a father of 3 kids and we’ll be out of child cares from next year. So, I won’t even benefit from it. However, it is so important for our society that anyone who plans to have kids or has little kids should support labor in this. I can confidently say that current system doesn’t work. It is terrible and it needs to change.
@indo , if the majority of Australians are thinking like you , then the Scott Morrison Party will romp it in this election , but guess what ?
indo-dreaming wrote:Looking at the past is important because we can learn a lot from it, it's easy to call me delusional but you cant argue against the things i point out because it's hard data from reliable sources.
Okay lets talk about recent years under Scomo then.
How have job figures been?
How have interest rates been?
We get hit by a 100 hundred year pandemic, everyone including experts predict a deep dark recession and big fall in real estate market both things also generally cripple the building industry.
But instead the recession is barely noticed and last a few weeks real estate market booms as does the building industry, despite lock downs etc the economy remains quite healthy, off course there was also a fear of Covid from a health perspective, on a global scale we have also done extremely well in this area too.
Success all round, but yeah let's flip a coin on Labor because i dont like Scomo blah blah blah, post another lame anti LNP meme
You're clearly an emotional based voter, you have an idea of what Labor is and what LNP is in your head that was probably formed 30 years ago and it hasn't changed, just like a computer you need to update the new Labor and see if it still fits.
Unless your some twenty something uni student working in a cafe in main beach or a woke office worker that practices all the new pronouns at night before he goes to bed, or some bum on the dole, then i cant see why you would vote for Labor???
Or have ability for critical thought???? And not buy the main stream bs narrative. ¯\_(⊙_ʖ⊙)_/¯
Supafreak wrote:@indo , if the majority of Australians are thinking like you , then the Scott Morrison Party will romp it in this election , but guess what ?
Hope U are correct Supa. But I have my fears...
Until it's called and ICAC announced I have my doubts.
Putting $100 on LNP win, if lose it then cool with that. If LNP win at least have some money to buy wine to cry into ...
It is interesting how different people look at the situation.
From a personal perspective I am doing fine. Have paid off the house, well paid job, happy marriage, good kids turning into great adults, From Indo’s perspective , I should vote for the status quo, vote for slugsworth and his associated team of grifters and fucknuckles. Just because I am okay doesn’t mean others are not. The government of the day has a social contract, an obligation to govern for everyone, not just those they deem worthy or those who will vote for them or throw cash at them. The whole “what’s in it for me attitude”, makes me despair. Unfortunately, this seems to be the LNP credo and that of those who vote for them.
Time for a change and see how the other side goes.
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , if the majority of Australians are thinking like you , then the Scott Morrison Party will romp it in this election , but guess what ?
Hope U are correct Supa. But I have my fears...
Until it's called and ICAC announced I have my doubts.
Putting $100 on LNP win, if lose it then cool with that. If LNP win at least have some money to buy wine to cry into ...
The Scott Morrison Party will destroy itself from the inside , they are clearly not united and the knives are out. More leaks about their shitfuckery will come out , its only been a trickle so far but the real flood is coming . Pride before the fall.
indo-dreaming wrote:Looking at the past is important because we can learn a lot from it, it's easy to call me delusional but you cant argue against the things i point out because it's hard data from reliable sources.
Okay lets talk about recent years under Scomo then.
How have job figures been?
How have interest rates been?
We get hit by a 100 hundred year pandemic, everyone including experts predict a deep dark recession and big fall in real estate market both things also generally cripple the building industry.
But instead the recession is barely noticed and last a few weeks real estate market booms as does the building industry, despite lock downs etc the economy remains quite healthy, off course there was also a fear of Covid from a health perspective, on a global scale we have also done extremely well in this area too.
Success all round, but yeah let's flip a coin on Labor because i dont like Scomo blah blah blah, post another lame anti LNP meme
You're clearly an emotional based voter, you have an idea of what Labor is and what LNP is in your head that was probably formed 30 years ago and it hasn't changed, just like a computer you need to update the new Labor and see if it still fits.
Unless your some twenty something uni student working in a cafe in main beach or a woke office worker that practices all the new pronouns at night before he goes to bed, or some bum on the dole, then i cant see why you would vote for Labor???
Geezers Indo will try not to be unkind but FFS your take on economics and the Australian economy is worse than rudimentary.
A basic concept for you is the size of the Australian economy is a flea on a very big dogs back. By and large the world economy and our trading partners determines interest rates, inflation etc not the lazy Liberal party that runs extreme immigration numbers to bolster a flailing economy and suppress wages growth.
@blackers , I’m personally not struggling and comfortable with what I’ve got, only in Australia for family reasons at the moment. I’m not blind to what’s going on around me though, just in the few short years I’ve been back and seeing the amount of homelessness increase and the amount of people living out of their cars is alarming. People on welfare never had it so good when some had their benefits doubled but that wasn’t a permanent fix and now many are worse off than ever with the price off living. I did a quick count going down the main street of Coolangatta the other week and 17 businesses have closed. Some people have been hit with one thing after another and have simply given up . I’m not saying this is the LNP fault, just their response to how money was distributed wasn’t always fair or without favour .
blackers wrote:It is interesting how different people look at the situation.
From a personal perspective I am doing fine. Have paid off the house, well paid job, happy marriage, good kids turning into great adults, From Indo’s perspective , I should vote for the status quo, vote for slugsworth and his associated team of grifters and fucknuckles. Just because I am okay doesn’t mean others are not. The government of the day has a social contract, an obligation to govern for everyone, not just those they deem worthy or those who will vote for them or throw cash at them. The whole “what’s in it for me attitude”, makes me despair. Unfortunately, this seems to be the LNP credo and that of those who vote for them.
Time for a change and see how the other side goes.
I'm with you from personal situation. Have home, ok work enough to take a year off to travel Oz, property in Bali and could frequently could travel os pre Covid. No complaints. Have done well winning the lottery of life being born in Oz. But the corruption and unfairness of LNP is unacceptable to any rational thinking Australian.
Ethically and morally they are bankrupt. And dare I say UnAustralian! Least in fair go egalitarian sense ...
When seeing some of these refugees released into society , I think to myself, how much psychological damage has been done ? To be locked up at 14 or 15 years old for 8-9 years, how do they go ? https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2022/04/09/political-prisoners/16494...
Supafreak wrote:@indo , if the majority of Australians are thinking like you , then the Scott Morrison Party will romp it in this election , but guess what ?
The majority of Australians are like you and Andy and vote based on emotion and rusted on views of what the party stand for or vote how their parents did or the opposite of their parents.
The people that make a difference are the true swing voters, but sadly they are often just have this attitude.
"Time for a change and see how the other side goes."
Then you have people like Roadkill they might not like Scomo as a person, but they use common sense and look a results, i have respect for these voters.
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