2022 Election
Get ready for a replay of the sort of deceit that characterised the last election.
“Carbon cut apocalypse: cost of ALP energy plan”…….according to the first independent modelling of the energy policies of both the government and opposition……The story quoted the work’s author, Brian Fisher, a former head of the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics (ABARE) and go-to numbers guy for Australian fossil fuel miners……..Fisher told The Australian he expected to be “kicked” by both sides of politics for this assessment…….Energy Minister Angus Taylor and his office were liaising with Fisher as he drafted his modelling. An email trail obtained under freedom of information and given to The Saturday Paper makes that very clear. Seven weeks before Fisher’s modelling came out – and instantly landed on the front page of The Australian – Taylor sent an email to his staff “team”, saying he had begun working on a piece for publication that compared electricity prices state by state, using draft numbers from Fisher”
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/11/13/the-man-beh...
Note the conspiracy with the Murdoch media to present biased data as independent. Who needs to lie when Rupert will do it for you?
Heres some interesting stats since 1950 Labor have only been in power less than 23 years out of the last 71 years
And less than 6 years out of the last 25 years
And only won 10 out of the last 29 elections .
Scomo has now been PM longer than the past four prime ministers and if does manage to get another term and complete it, could become one of top 5 longest running PM's in Australian history.
https://results.aec.gov.au/20499/website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-204...
Helps when voting system is rigged in your favour, never mind media bias... National party 5% of national vote and get to choose Deputy PM. Greens double their vote, yet no real power. Labor always first across line when vote counted. Without Gerrymandering the Libs would never get in....
And on it goes. So you think you are entitled to a fair trial...
"The request itself is obscene. It is the kind of tinpot thinking you might expect in a failing dictatorship, maybe for a show trial after the coup. The attorney-general, Michaelia Cash, wishes to introduce evidence in the prosecution of Bernard Collaery that could not be known to Collaery or his lawyers and would instead be assessed by a special counsel engaged by the Commonwealth. It would form the secret basis for a secret trial, the premise of which has already been rejected by a court."
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2021/11/13/standov...
andy-mac wrote:https://results.aec.gov.au/20499/website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-204...
Helps when voting system is rigged in your favour, never mind media bias... National party 5% of national vote and get to choose Deputy PM. Greens double their vote, yet no real power. Labor always first across line when vote counted. Without Gerrymandering the Libs would never get in....
Seems the majority voted for something different.
indo-dreaming wrote:Heres some interesting stats since 1950 Labor have only been in power less than 23 years out of the last 71 years
And less than 6 years out of the last 25 years
And only won 10 out of the last 29 elections .
Scomo has now been PM longer than the past four prime ministers and if does manage to get another term and complete it, could become one of top 5 longest running PM's in Australian history.
Yeah lets all celebrate their corruption and ineptitude, bunch of incompetent c>nts
andy-mac wrote:https://results.aec.gov.au/20499/website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-204...
Helps when voting system is rigged in your favour, never mind media bias... National party 5% of national vote and get to choose Deputy PM. Greens double their vote, yet no real power. Labor always first across line when vote counted. Without Gerrymandering the Libs would never get in....
Obviously Libs and National party are a coalition if they weren't the votes would be different again, many would just vote direct to Libs instead of Nationals and many swing voters would move from Labor to Nationals as many people don't like the Nationals influence over LNP( including me.)
Its like when people say why don't the Greens and Labor form a coalition thinking numbers would just add together, which wouldn't happen a decent number of people would never vote Labor with that much influence from the Greens. (Sane people)
Sorry meant move from Labor to Liberals (not Nationals) was on my phone in a rush.
Here's my two cents.
Since 96, the LNP have been in power for 19 of the 25 years simply because they've managed to take the moron blue collar vote away from the ALP. ex unionists are now being attracted to the Hansonites, religious bigots, and anti-environmentalist.
The LNP done this by creating a sense of grievance while doing fuck all to change the reasons for those grievances. Your wages are shit because of immigrants. The freeways and hospitals are crammed with refugees etc.
The LNP have managed to make the moron vote hate the ALP more than the LNP. Hey blowin, remind you of anyone?
Howard, Palmer, Abbott etc all promised timber workers, miners, farmers, low-skilled workers ongoing high paying jobs because they won't let those inner city greenies or the abos destroy their industries. They've also carved away a large chunk of the religious vote with homophobic fear campaigns. Catholics use to favour the ALP due to a sense of fairness. Now many they hate the ALP because of their support for SSM. Much of the dirty work is being done for the LNP'sby their micro party proxies eg Scum like Palmer who is actively courting the conspiracy anti-vax nutters. Dogs like Rise Up Australia.
The Libs do have big problems with small L liberals fed up with corruption, incompetence, lies, and zero action on climate change. The various "Voices of..." movements could well take 3-4 seats and also swing enough preference votes to knock out Libs in the fancier parts of Sydney and Melbourne.
Lets just hope there's enough people are fed up with the LNP's shitfuckery and give these cunts an absolute flogging in 2022. They deserve nothing less.
Labor also lose because the Libs are very good at scaring people about reforms and promising to do bugger all.
In 19 years of govt the LNP has done one major reform. The GST and they've destroyed Labor with baseless fear campaigns about the carbon tax, retiree tax, EVs wrecking your weekend, the boats,
Mabo taking ya land. etc. All ably assisted by Murdoch.
In 2022, I get the feeling there's a mood for change. The swingers don't particularly want the ALP but the stench of corruption and Morrison being a liar is going to be hard to overcome. What is certain, the LNP won't be standing on their record. There's literally nothing these scumbags can point to and say "we did that and it was good for the country". They will go with a 100% Trump-style fear campaign with alternative facts hoping to mug enough idiots to stay in power.
Vic Local wrote:Labor also lose because the Libs are very good at scaring people about reforms and promising to do bugger all.
In 19 years of govt the LNP has done one major reform. The GST and they've destroyed Labor with baseless fear campaigns about the carbon tax, retiree tax, EVs wrecking your weekend, the boats,
Mabo taking ya land. etc. All ably assisted by Murdoch.
In 2022, I get the feeling there's a mood for change. The swingers don't particularly want the ALP but the stench of corruption and Morrison being a liar is going to be hard to overcome. What is certain, the LNP won't be standing on their record. There's literally nothing these scumbags can point to and say "we did that and it was good for the country". They will go with a 100% Trump-style fear campaign with alternative facts hoping to mug enough idiots to stay in power.
So, Labor lose because they just can’t campaign properly? Well, if not smart enough to do that they don’t deserve to be in power. All parties try to scare.
The Libs will win the next election.
@VL
You are correct about one thing LNP have managed to gain a part of the blue collar vote, but that's because Labor have turned their back on blue collar workers and people in regional areas.
While LNP have provided support for the building industry and mining industry and people in regional areas, great example: one of the first thing's LNP did in the Covid pandemic in June 2020 was bring in a renovation scheme giving people $25K to encourage building and renovation work.
Any tradie that still votes Labor has rocks in their heads, labor don't give a shit about blue collar workers anymore all they care about is the urban vote and the woke vote.
It's not just happening in Australia though, it happened in UK too Labor in the UK are almost unelectable and have also turned their back on blue collar workers.
"So, Labor lose because they just can’t campaign properly? Well, if not smart enough to do that they don’t deserve to be in power. All parties try to scare.
The Libs will win the next election."
yep, apparently it's liberal's fault that labor are totally incompetent at campaining and conveying a coherent message...
weird... but there's logic there... somewhere...
Yeh they really need to learn how to lie straight faced.
"You are correct about one thing LNP have managed to gain a part of the blue collar vote, but that's because Labor have turned their back on blue collar workers and people in regional areas."
and yep, ...shame on those moronic blue collar workers - who despite being absolute morons, ...as evidenced above - were smart enough to realise labor were no longer representing them...
not only not representing them... but quite often selling out the blue collar worker's tenuous positiona from right under their feet...
shame the blue collar worker! ...dumb cunts don't know what's good for em!
they should just shut up and accept the dogma, bellitlings, and general disrespect from learned ones like our brainiac above...
suck it up morons, vicvocal knows what's good for you... and he'll tell ya... whilst not listening to you, not caring about you, and abusing the fuck out of you in the process, because you don't know what's good for you... and he does...
(not sure he knows how to convey his little message though...)
'winning'
The problem is, effective campaigning generally leads to truly shit governing. Look at Abbott. He was a devastatingly effective opposition leader because he just repeated the same four lines over and over again. He was also a pathetic PM because he did no preparation to be in office.
Scumo is the same. The LNP was a muppet show in 2019 but he still managed to get reelected on the back of a fear campaign about a "retiree tax", and he's been a truly shit PM. Corrupt as fuck and an international embarrassment.
Hewson, Beazley, and Shorten would all have been decent PMs but they never won their elections because they prepared to be in government rather than running a "good" campaign. Turnbull and Gillard treated the general public with respect and didn't run around cooking curries and mouthing inane slogans 24/7, and they both struggled in the polls.
God help us if Scumo runs a "good" campaign and gets back in. It's not like these shitheads are suddenly going to become competent and clean if the voting public give them a mandate for more of the same.
indo-dreaming wrote:@VL
You are correct about one thing LNP have managed to gain a part of the blue collar vote, but that's because Labor have turned their back on blue collar workers and people in regional areas.
While LNP have provided support for the building industry and mining industry and people in regional areas, great example: one of the first thing's LNP did in the Covid pandemic in June 2020 was bring in a renovation scheme giving people $25K to encourage building and renovation work.
Any tradie that still votes Labor has rocks in their heads, labor don't give a shit about blue collar workers anymore all they care about is the urban vote and the woke vote.
It's not just happening in Australia though, it happened in UK too Labor in the UK are almost unelectable and have also turned their back on blue collar workers.
This is pretty much spot on. When the red wall fell in northern England in last UK election it was jaw dropping (100 years of voting history blazed).
Working class in developed countries got abandoned by those who purport to represent them - the results have been interesting times since 2016.
It's been easy as for Libs to poach those votes, ALP went on quixotic quest to capture new parts of the further-out left, risking splitting their party. Eg Joel Fitzgibbon representing Hunter valley miners: at least he still does. Nearly got rolled by One Nation though. Bob Brown's coal caravan to QLD...
What do Libs have? 1 seat majority? The feeling is that it's time to change back, Albo does the small target path, Libs pissed me off by letting virus go in NSW & sadly that meant Vic got it as well, and electorally I want to end them. But that will mean ALP will replace them, so I'd better start doing my pronoun training now to fit into the circus to come...
Who to vote for? Sustainable Australia has a sane population policy, One Nation in industry/manufacturing/immigration policy looks to me like what ALP did in decades long past, when I read Country Party's platform a couple of elections ago it too supported making things here. We live in a time of increased geopolitical tension in the region (likely to become the next major-power contest area) and in this regard the Defence decisions that have been made have been good, and consistent with the increasing threat so that's a +1 for the incumbent government.
Vic Local wrote:The problem is, effective campaigning generally leads to truly shit governing. Look at Abbott. He was a devastatingly effective opposition leader because he just repeated the same four lines over and over again. He was also a pathetic PM because he did no preparation to be in office.
Scumo is the same. The LNP was a muppet show in 2019 but he still managed to get reelected on the back of a fear campaign about a "retiree tax", and he's been a truly shit PM. Corrupt as fuck and an international embarrassment.
Hewson, Beazley, and Shorten would all have been decent PMs but they never won their elections because they prepared to be in government rather than running a "good" campaign. Turnbull and Gillard treated the general public with respect and didn't run around cooking curries and mouthing inane slogans 24/7, and they both struggled in the polls.
God help us if Scumo runs a "good" campaign and gets back in. It's not like these shitheads are suddenly going to become competent and clean if the voting public give them a mandate for more of the same.
or...
the public just aren't buying what labor is selling...
as evidenced by velocity and indo's posts above...
you are so bloody typical labor / contemporary left / american liberal... it's painful to watch...
you'll look anywhere and everywhere... blame everything... and cook up all sorts of excuses...
do anything... but look at what you are actually offering...
by way of leader or policies...
self reflection ain't strong with this one...
self reflection ain't strong across the whole contemporary left...
after a litany off 'unloseable' losses... and counting... it beggars belief what you clowns are thinking...
what the hell does it take to sink in?
seriously...
Don't get me wrong. The working class in Western countries have been screwed over by globalisation, and they have borne the brunt of cheap imports. Low paid service jobs have replaced well paid manufacturing in England's North and the US rust belt.
Conservatives have capitalised on this big time, but delivered absolutely fuck all to help their new voters. The tell the working class, they are the victims, but offer no solutions in a rapidly changing world. The working poor in Aus / UK and the USA are no better off due to the policies of Trump / Johnson and Morrison. In fact, their opportunities for economic advancement have been gutted, largely because the education sector has been burned to the ground.
Fuckers like Canavan (the hero of coal miners) is a fucking fraud. This dog tells them thermal coal has a bright future which will provide long term employment. Canavan doesn't have any skin in the game. He's OK with his tax payer funded salary, but when fan base lose their jobs, Canavan will have done absolutely nothing to ensure a smooth transition out of that industry for the actual workers.
Canavan is a typical LNP scumbag. His voters don't have to love him, they just have to hate the ALP more. After getting the coal mining vote, the LNP sell every single one of those workers down the tubes for a 20c bit.
This type of politics doesn't happen in much of Europe. Governments and companies offer their workers ongoing training for advanced manufacturing. But hey, don't a lot of Australians like to play the victim and expect the world to stand still for them for the rest of their lives.
sypkan wrote:Vic Local wrote:The problem is, effective campaigning generally leads to truly shit governing. Look at Abbott. He was a devastatingly effective opposition leader because he just repeated the same four lines over and over again. He was also a pathetic PM because he did no preparation to be in office.
Scumo is the same. The LNP was a muppet show in 2019 but he still managed to get reelected on the back of a fear campaign about a "retiree tax", and he's been a truly shit PM. Corrupt as fuck and an international embarrassment.
Hewson, Beazley, and Shorten would all have been decent PMs but they never won their elections because they prepared to be in government rather than running a "good" campaign. Turnbull and Gillard treated the general public with respect and didn't run around cooking curries and mouthing inane slogans 24/7, and they both struggled in the polls.
God help us if Scumo runs a "good" campaign and gets back in. It's not like these shitheads are suddenly going to become competent and clean if the voting public give them a mandate for more of the same.or...
the public just aren't buying what labor is selling...
as evidenced by velocity and indo's posts above...
you are so bloody typical labor / contemporary left / american liberal... it's painful to watch...
you'll look anywhere and everywhere... blame everything... and cook up all sorts of excuses...
do anything... but look at what you are actually offering...
by way of leader or policies...
self reflection ain't strong with this one...
self reflection ain't strong across the whole contemporary left...
after a litany off 'unloseable' losses... and counting... it beggars belief what you clowns are thinking...
what the hell does it take to sink in?
seriously...
How's life going for the blue collar set in Aus / UK / and USA Sypkan?
Pretty shithouse I'd say.
When do they start get "Sick of winning" on minimum wages that are going nowhere? The cost of getting a degree and improving your prospects is a joke in Australia now. And don't get me started on house prices rising at 10 x the rate of wage growth.
But hey, Labor are going to introduce mandatory vaccinations and make everyone drive EVs. They let the poofters get married too, and the Chinese are going to invade. Not to mention death taxes.
The LNP just know how to campaign. They know it's easier to scare people and offer easy solutions than lay out detailed plans to improve people's opportunities.
Vote the LNP. They promise tax cuts, increased wages, better services, and a balanced budget. You also get to drive your V8s and cut emissions using technology not taxes. Swallow your snake oil folks and ignore the corruption and lies.
once again, astoundingly... you totally miss the point... the hints... and resort to a bunch of labor party talking point excuses, ...that also, coincidently, totally miss the point...
carry on winning champ
ride that echo chamber!
Whatever champ.
Swinging voters decide elections mate and they are always close. It will come down to which group is bigger:
1.People who abandon the LNP due to their corruption and incompetence (ie people who are paying attention) or
2. people who get sucked into the Clive Palmer / ON anti vax BS (eg the "freedumb" morons who are marching in the streets)
I just hope the educated group decides who wins the next election, because God help us if Scumo gets back in owing Palmer and Hanson.
Vic Local wrote:or the abos destroy their industries.
Excuse me mate, I don’t care what context your writing on behalf of but language such as this is abhorrent.
Swellnet -this needs monitoring. It’s personally and nationally offence.
Pretty funny you think your team of politicians are better than the other team of politicians! Very humorous indeed. How balls deep in the labour party are you Vic?
Hey Solitude,
Grow up mate.
Apologies for offending you Solitude. That line was written in the voice of the racist swinging voter. I'm old enough to remember the '93 election when people were pushing this idea that Indigenous Australians would be making claims on suburban back yards because of the Mabo decision.
Little bit of history.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/01/keating-mabo-pre-...
How exactly would you like me to ‘grow up’ mate?
Would you like me to be ok with a middle aged white man using reprehensible terminology that’s makes people different to him feel bad?
Vic Local wrote:Apologies for offending you Solitude. That line was written in the voice of the racist swinging voter. I'm old enough to remember the '93 election when people were pushing this idea that Indigenous Australians would be making claims on suburban back yards because of the Mabo decision.
Little bit of history.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/01/keating-mabo-pre-...
Thanks for the apology but you don’t need to educate me. I know the context you were using it, just don’t use that language.
Just wondering would it be any different if AB was used instead - would it still be highly offensive ?
Michael Adam wrote:Pretty funny you think your team of politicians are better than the other team of politicians! Very humorous indeed. How balls deep in the labour party are you Vic?
Michael, I don't have rose coloured glasses for Labor. Somyureck is a crook and I'm happy he's getting grill at IBAC.
Politicians do go bad from across the political spectrum, and when they do, I expect important public institutions to hold them to account.
The thing is, the Vic Labor branch stacking is exactly (EXACTLY) the same as the Victorian Liberal Party branch stacking. The response is different though. Labor fired their crooks. The Libs protected their's.
Because the Lib branch stacking was done from Federal MP's offices, Sukkar and Andrews weren't dragged before a federal ICAC because it doesn't exist. They were "investigated" by treasury and shock horror, they found nothing. Scumo refused to comment on the media interview of a Liberal Party whistleblower who exposed the Lib corruption.
Labor corruption has consequences. People lose jobs and get held to account. The LNP protects their crooks. Big difference.
Example 2: Dastiari: gone for accepting a donation of a few thousand dollars. Porter accepted a million bucks with zero consequences. What a fucking joke.
@ udo
So you’re also alright with it are you?
Just think to yourselves, do you think Cathy Freeman, Adam Goodes, Soli Bailey or Otis Carey enjoy reading stuff like that? I’m no different.
People feel as though they can spout absolutely anything they want on the net.
For some reason this site for the most part holds itself to a higher standard. I enjoy coming here, reading and learning from most of you all.
My opinion is despite the context this is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. As you pointed out, there are any number of better ways to express one’s views.
That’ll do me.
"How's life going for the blue collar set in Aus / UK / and USA Sypkan?
Pretty shithouse I'd say."
Hey VL they are going great, if you define tradies as blue collar. Young one is kind of fluro yellow rather than blue, but he's cleaning up nonetheless. (Team Yellow or Team Orange: take your pick and live your life, to paraphrase TISM). You can see how busy construction is around here at present. If you define blue collar as those working unskilled (or wrongskilled, eg many graduates in my discipline or econ's grads who can't find a job in the field like those who worked with my kids in local hospitality) then life is less monetarily rewarded.
The West has realised shipping out all manufacturing is actually pretty stupid. The ship is slowly turning:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/ministry-of-defence-to-take-over-special...
(Off topic: I'd love Aussie iron ore to come back in the form of Sheffield Steel, got some amazingly high quality hand tools of this nature, working well a century after being made... that's sustainability.)
Edit: if you look at what both sides of politics have established with the sub manufacture and (this is critical) local supply chain for parts over the last 30 years, we've kept some capacity too.
Tradies are doing pretty well, but I'd suggest they are one of the few sectors where workers are seeing decent pay rises. Especially in the higher skilled areas. Hospitality, education, tourism, manufacturing, service sector, public sector wage growth has been virtually non-existent for years.
If Australia wants to go high tech manufacturing, Scumo probably shouldn't have gutted the tertiary education sector and massively hiked up fees for students. This will be a generational legacy of that moron.
Yeah if we want to develop the capacity we have to do it ourselves (ie individuals)
Also, loss of car industry was devastating for local skillsets (and capacity and scale too).
Vic Local wrote:The problem is, effective campaigning generally leads to truly shit governing. Look at Abbott. He was a devastatingly effective opposition leader because he just repeated the same four lines over and over again. He was also a pathetic PM because he did no preparation to be in office.
Scumo is the same. The LNP was a muppet show in 2019 but he still managed to get reelected on the back of a fear campaign about a "retiree tax", and he's been a truly shit PM. Corrupt as fuck and an international embarrassment.
Hewson, Beazley, and Shorten would all have been decent PMs but they never won their elections because they prepared to be in government rather than running a "good" campaign. Turnbull and Gillard treated the general public with respect and didn't run around cooking curries and mouthing inane slogans 24/7, and they both struggled in the polls.
God help us if Scumo runs a "good" campaign and gets back in. It's not like these shitheads are suddenly going to become competent and clean if the voting public give them a mandate for more of the same.
Could be argued they did not really run a good campaign, just that they had total support of media. If msm got behind Labor to same degree, would be different story. They did get behind Rudd and he won easily....
So today we had another ratbag protest in Melbourne with all kind of nutters carrying nooses, mock gallows, threatening Dan Andrews, and regurgitating all types of Q Anon conspiracies.
At least two Liberal politicians + Craig Kelly (ex Lib) were on the speakers list.
Let's not kid ourselves. Some of these clowns are dangerous and upper house members in Victoria have had multiple threats of violence surrounding the proposed pandemic legislation.
So far not a single LNP person has condemned this rally. That's not an accident. Clive Palmer will be heaving around $100 million worth of advertising at the anti-vax nutters and he will be steering them to the LNP via preferences. Scumo and his mob won't be condemning these lunatics. He won't be telling anyone carrying nooses to pull their heads in, and he won't be disciplining David Davis and Bernie Finn who addressed the mob. The safety of Labor and cross bench politicians in Vic simply doesn't concern this cunt. Getting their lunatic votes using Trump-style tactics is all that matters to this dog of a human being.
Most people there were against vaccine mandates.
Not anti vax or conspiracy theorists.
Reasonable people. Fair enough…
Good work Solitude. I agree that VL had third person intent but that word should not be written like that.
Back on topic; demographics are key as well, seen some good analysis on this in the past. The conservative white are dying but it will take a while for the multicultural and younger (Gen X below?) vote to wash through.
Michael Adam wrote:Most people there were against vaccine mandates.
Not anti vax or conspiracy theorists.
Reasonable people. Fair enough…
No Micheal. That's simply not true. Reasonable people would have condemned the lunatic fringe pushing dangerous health advice and mad conspiracy theories, but they didn't . They marched with the truly unhinged, walked with the gallows, listened to their speeches and cheered them on. It's a mob, lead by sociopaths and scumbags.
If individual marchers had intentions that were reasonable, then they are profoundly stupid not to see, and/or tolerate the scum marching next to them.
Vic Local wrote:Michael Adam wrote:Most people there were against vaccine mandates.
Not anti vax or conspiracy theorists.
Reasonable people. Fair enough…No Micheal. That's simply not true. Reasonable people would have condemned the lunatic fringe pushing dangerous health advice and mad conspiracy theories, but they didn't . They marched with the truly unhinged, walked with the gallows, listened to their speeches and cheered them on. It's a mob, lead by sociopaths and scumbags.
If individual marchers had intentions that were reasonable, then they are profoundly stupid not to see, and/or tolerate the scum marching next to them.
You are a clueless idiot VL
Although these protest do contain some anti vaxers the current protest main focus is on the the new Pandemic bill Dan is trying to push through in Victoria as well as vaccine mandates, many of these people at these rallies now are fully vaxed and pro vax everyday ordinary people, but they are just saying enough is enough hence the "kill the bill" hash tags and signs and the "sack Dan" hash tags and signs.
Dan has proven to be a power hungry creep that cant be trusted, so it's no surprise.
Whatever champ.
Do you seriously think the people carrying nooses and punching the scores of Dan Andrews punching bags distributed amongst the crowd had actually read the proposed bill?
Do you seriously believe Bernie Finn and Craig Kelly are reasonable people? And do you seriously believe those people cheering on the lunatic speeches about "ritual child abuse" were behaving reasonably?
My upper house MP has had multiple death threats to him and his family over this proposed legislation, but you keep telling everyone that mob is reasonable.
Oh and of course your hero Avi the wife basher has a kill the bill website where he collects contact details of visitors.so have can hit them up for more cash. Idiots, grifters and scumbags, that's what that mob are. There's nothing reasonable about them.
velocityjohnno wrote:Yeah if we want to develop the capacity we have to do it ourselves (ie individuals)
I listened to a discussion panel the other day and Mark Scott, the vice-chancellor of Sydney Uni was asked about the risk of that university becoming elitist because of the higher costs of fees. He reckons they are aware of the challenges that kids from lower socio backgrounds have compared to those from families that are more well off or have intergenerational expectations and experience of tertiary education.
They are thinking about the issue, which is a good thing. Maybe the credo of “the fair go” might get a run instead of “have a go to get a go” and “user pays”.
I’m not disputing that everyone needs to be self motivated, that is vital, but there are some people who need a bit of a leg up first due to either their circumstances or just to give them an idea of what is possible. Why not, for instance, make it easier for a kid living in a small regional town to become a doctor. The community benefits from that would surely outweigh educating just another lawyer or communications manager from the north shore
He also gave the details of the government funding cuts and the need for revenue to be generated from foreign students to help subsidise the cost of Australians fees.
I reckon it is the wrong path do be going down where we are continually cutting funding to public education only to turn around and then give billions of dollars of taxpayers money to companies and religious institutions for the same thing.
Heres a snap shot of the people at the protest/rally quite diverse on appearance
Whatever ID, you keep telling everyone those protestors cheering on Craig Kelly are normal people.
This is how profoundly stupid they are. Just last month they were crying about the state of emergency and complaining about the medical bureaucrats having too much power. The new pandemic bills ends the state of emergency and reduces the CHO's powers.
Craig Kelly yells “we are governed by medical bureaucrats that are part of a mad, insane cult” and the crowd yells
KILL THE BILL KILL THE BILL.
They are a mob looking for a cause. The anti-lockdown shit ran it's course and now with reduced travel restrictions they are looking for a new thing to cry about. When the pandemic bill fails or passes with no impact on everyday life, they will need a new thing to panic about. And of course the grifters will still have their hands out for cash to save the world. How stupid do you have to be not to see what is actually happening with this mob.
yeh, it's only nutters that think dan andrews is nutty with power...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/32999-legal...
my guess is some of these guys have read the bill
Yep we are in election mode.
ABC chair Ita Buttrose has accused the government of political interference over a decision to launch a Senate inquiry into the way it and SBS handle complaints from the public.
“This is an act of political interference designed to intimidate the ABC and mute its role as this country’s most trusted source of public interest journalism. If politicians determine the operation of the national broadcaster’s complaints system, they can influence what is reported by the ABC,” Ms Buttrose said.
“Once again, an elected representative has chosen to threaten the ABC’s independence at the expense of the integrity of this irreplaceable public service. Any incursion of this kind into the ABC’s independence should be seen by Australians for what it is: an attempt to weaken the community’s trust in the public broadcaster."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-interference-designed-...
blindboy wrote:Yep we are in election mode.
ABC chair Ita Buttrose has accused the government of political interference over a decision to launch a Senate inquiry into the way it and SBS handle complaints from the public.
“This is an act of political interference designed to intimidate the ABC and mute its role as this country’s most trusted source of public interest journalism. If politicians determine the operation of the national broadcaster’s complaints system, they can influence what is reported by the ABC,” Ms Buttrose said.
“Once again, an elected representative has chosen to threaten the ABC’s independence at the expense of the integrity of this irreplaceable public service. Any incursion of this kind into the ABC’s independence should be seen by Australians for what it is: an attempt to weaken the community’s trust in the public broadcaster."
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-interference-designed-...
I can't see the issue here, this clearly is about the problem of bias and lack of diversity of views and opinion at the ABC, off course the ABC aren't going to take any of these complaints seriously.
There should be a seperate body run by the government that oversees this area and ensures these types of complaints are dealt with where possible and ensures the ABC has a diverse range of political and social views and opinions that represents all Australian tax payers who fund the ABC.
Ha ha says the COALition supporter who thinks the Murdoch media is unbiased.
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