2022 Election
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:Albo listens to Radio Birdman, Scomo to Tina Arena ...
That in itself should make your voting choice easy!If i voted based on musical taste Albo would be a no brainer, pity i vote on trivial thngs like the economy.
Was kinda written in jest, ya know bad joke .. not as bad as the running sick joke that LNP are better economic managers. Wonder if Joshy miscounted $70 billion again ...
Sorry you are correct, definitely better economic managers for likes of Gerry Harvey and Clive Palmer.
Labor wont win the election, the coalition will lose it. Despite the Libs doing a pretty good job during the pandemic and throwing billions at the peasants to help them through the mood has turned, the plebs are over it all and need to punish someone for the pain and inconveniences of the last few years. Scotty is a bit on the nose, all tip and no iceberg, like a shiver looking for a spine to run up (Keating). Then again Albo couldn't raffle a duck in a pub so it could be close. Imho.
Hope you are on the mend BTW Indo...
old-dog wrote:Labor wont win the election, the coalition will lose it. Despite the Libs doing a pretty good job during the pandemic and throwing billions at the peasants to help them through the mood has turned, the plebs are over it all and need to punish someone for the pain and inconveniences of the last few years. Scotty is a bit on the nose, all tip and no iceberg, like a shiver looking for a spine to run up (Keating). Then again Albo couldn't raffle a duck in a pub so it could be close. Imho.
Agreed. Not sure about close though.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , where did Scotty go wrong, from 18 months ago to now .
Covid has been the biggest event of most of our life's and biggest event an Australia government has had to face for over 50 years or longer much bigger than a recession or Vietnam.
If you had said at the start of Covid the government is going to get us through Covid without a true recession, with the real estate and building market booming, with one of the highest vax rates in the world and one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world, nobody would believe it they would call bullshit, and would reelect the government on the spot without a second thought if possible.
But Covid has been tiring and long and off course through a pandemic not everything runs smoothly no country around the world is immune to this, no country around the world has been praised as an example of dealing with Covid perfectly, many governments have or will change because of Covid.
So its not one thing or even any real events, its just the effect of a long running pandemic coupled with some pretty extreme weather events where most of the public have completely unrealistic expectations of how a government can help.
It kind of sucks because the next government is going to reap much of the rewards of the current governments success through Covid, but inflation is rising wages are going to have to rise pushing inflation even higher, interest rates are going to have rise too and while there might be a break in weather events, you would expect we will still get a few major events and it will be the same no matter what happens you wont fulfil peoples expectations and the media they will hound Albo the same way they have Scomo. (Offcourse there may be a honeymoon period though)
andy-mac wrote:Hope you are on the mend BTW Indo...
Thank's much better.
Thanks for answering indo , so you don’t actually believe Scotty has done anything wrong ? In the past 18 months for his popularity and his party to be on the nose , don’t you think that maybe he hasn’t got something right ?
No leader ever gets everything right 100% of the time and like i said
" off course through a pandemic not everything runs smoothly no country around the world is immune to this, no country around the world has been praised as an example of dealing with Covid perfectly,"
And sometimes there is times when whatever decision is made it will be viewed in a negative light by many or when there just isn't a set correct decision as such and no matter the decision made your going to have to cop it to some degree.
The biggest problem i see with Scomo is him being naive in regards to media reporting and not thinking how things are going to be used by the media against him, i really don't understand how this is possible in 2022.
There should be a 24/7 team that is trying to think two steps ahead of the media and saying you need to say this just incase to cover your arse and sorry i know it doest make any difference if your in Aust or Hawaii, but if you go to Hawaii the media are going to hammer you on doing so.
Indo, Morrison and the LNP were useless during Covid, the success was down to the Premiers and CMO/CHO's, led by your mate Dan the Dictator. Morrison is toast, LNP heading for biggest loss in history.
Never seen a PM more hopeless or despised.
Karen Andrews and Birmingham next Liberal leaders in opposition. LNP won't govern again this decade. Watch.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , where did Scotty go wrong, from 18 months ago to now .
Covid has been the biggest event of most of our life's and biggest event an Australia government has had to face for over 50 years or longer much bigger than a recession or Vietnam.
If you had said at the start of Covid the government is going to get us through Covid without a true recession, with the real estate and building market booming, with one of the highest vax rates in the world and one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world, nobody would believe it they would call bullshit, and would reelect the government on the spot without a second thought if possible.
But Covid has been tiring and long and off course through a pandemic not everything runs smoothly no country around the world is immune to this, no country around the world has been praised as an example of dealing with Covid perfectly, many governments have or will change because of Covid.
So its not one thing or even any real events, its just the effect of a long running pandemic coupled with some pretty extreme weather events where most of the public have completely unrealistic expectations of how a government can help.
It kind of sucks because the next government is going to reap much of the rewards of the current governments success through Covid, but inflation is rising wages are going to have to rise pushing inflation even higher, interest rates are going to have rise too and while there might be a break in weather events, you would expect we will still get a few major events and it will be the same no matter what happens you wont fulfil peoples expectations and the media they will hound Albo the same way they have Scomo. (Offcourse there may be a honeymoon period though)
Glad ya getting better!
Reckon your take of Scomo's handling if pandemic is totally off mark. Premiers did all the heavy lifting whilst Scotty wanted to go to footy, forgot to order vaccines and generally screwed up everything he could. Even job keeper which was a Sally McManus and Greg Combet idea he screwed up gifting $40 billion to profitable companies.
Good economic management?
I reckon if Labor do win, it's probably biggest hospital pass in Australia's history, huge debt with not much to show for it and the media will start screaming debt and deficit. Who knows what other little booby traps they have hidden with their lack of transparency and corruption.
If Labor can get an ICAC up then that is a win in my book. Reckon some could be looking at jail time if done properly. Hope Labor get the mongrel in them and remember Abbott and Heyden's Royal Commission where they could not pin anything on Shorten and Gillard and nail some of the LNP spivs.
Friday arvo beer rant over.
Have a good weekend folks!
adam12 wrote:Indo, Morrison and the LNP were useless during Covid, the success was down to the Premiers and CMO/CHO's, led by your mate Dan the Dictator. Morrison is toast, LNP heading for biggest loss in history.
Never seen a PM more hopeless or despised.
Karen Andrews and Birmingham next Liberal leaders in opposition. LNP won't govern again this decade. Watch.
Hope your prediction is correct ...
adam12 wrote:Indo, Morrison and the LNP were useless during Covid, the success was down to the Premiers and CMO/CHO's, led by your mate Dan the Dictator. Morrison is toast, LNP heading for biggest loss in history.
Never seen a PM more hopeless or despised.
Karen Andrews and Birmingham next Liberal leaders in opposition. LNP won't govern again this decade. Watch.
That is just emotion based opinion instead of fact based opinion.
This is fact based opinion.
-Australia has been one of the most successful countries in the world during Covid from an economical perspective and a health perspective.
-We technically went into recession but it last weeks and barely anyone noticed and was more a result of lockdowns, once lifted the economy instantly bounced back, the government not the states spent billions on different schemes to support business and employers big and small, even those on wealthfare saw increase in payment.
-Before Covid the fear was a recession would happen and house prices would fall and building industry collapse, all the so called experts predicted this, there is a variety of reasons why it didnt happen but one was because of government schemes to support the building industry and off course other payments to support people and fuel the economy.
-We now have the lowest unemployment rate for forever, talking to business owners a shortage of labor is their biggest headache.
-We have one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world.
-We have one of the highest Covid vax rates in the world.
All these things are a result of the government even if the states played some part.
There was two major fuck ups in Australia during Covid.
1. Victoria, for 90% of Covid Dan Andrews kept drooping the ball, hotel quarantine seemed to work pretty well in most states, but Victoria seemed to either have bad luck or just bad management, Victoria preformed so badly it clocked up the world record for lockdowns, quite a feat seeing there is 195 countries in the world and literally thousands of states, how he has kept his job and expected to be elected is just unbelievable and totally mind boggling.
2. NSW preformed pretty good for 90% of Covid much better than Victoria despite a large population and larger cities and much higher international arrivals but Gladys dropped the ball at the last minute and let the cat out of the bag, which ended up being a blessing in disguise as marked an end of the lockdown game.
Albo selling his reply today. What a fucking embarrassment. Looked like a tool and was pissweak and timid avoiding any semi hard question, shit…he even looked weak avoiding soft questions. Not PM material at all. Scomo is pretty pathetic also but even he looks more polished and knowledgable than the Albo clown.
indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:Indo, Morrison and the LNP were useless during Covid, the success was down to the Premiers and CMO/CHO's, led by your mate Dan the Dictator. Morrison is toast, LNP heading for biggest loss in history.
Never seen a PM more hopeless or despised.
Karen Andrews and Birmingham next Liberal leaders in opposition. LNP won't govern again this decade. Watch.That is just emotion based opinion instead of fact based opinion.
This is fact based opinion.
-Australia has been one of the most successful countries in the world during Covid from and economical perspective and a health perspective.
-We technically went into recession but it last weeks and barely anyone noticed and was more a result of lockdowns, once lifted the economy instantly bounced back, the government not the states spend's billions on different schemes to support business and employers big and small, even those on wealthfare saw increase in payment.
-Before Covid the fear was a recession would happen and house prices would fall, building industry collapses, all the so called experts predicted this, there is a variety of reasons why it didnt happen but one was because of government schemes to support the building industry, and as we know the government spent billions on the economy.
-We now have the lowest unemployment rate for forever, talking to business owners a shortage of labor is their biggest headache.
-We have one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world.
-We have one of the highest Covid vax rates in the world.
All these things are a result of the government even if the states played some part.
There was two major fuck ups in Australia during Covid.
1. Victoria, for 90% of Covid Dan Andrews kept drooping the ball, hotel quarantine seemed to work pretty well on most states, but Victoria seemed to either have bad luck or just bad management, Victoria preformed so badly it clocked up the world record for lockdowns, quite a feat seeing there is 195 countries in the world and literally thousands of states, how he has kept his job and expected to be elected is just unbelievable.
2. NSW preformed pretty good for 90% of Covid bu dropped the ball the last minute and let the cat out of the bag, which ended up being a blessing in disguise as marked an end of the lockdown game.
Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Have to agree with this statement andy- mac , “ I reckon if Labor do win, it's probably biggest hospital pass in Australia's history, huge debt with not much to show for it and the media will start screaming debt and deficit. Who knows what other little booby traps they have hidden with their lack of transparency and corruption. “……….,, Its not going to be easy to clean up the mess this mob has created.
Roadkill wrote:Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Sadly i don't think the electorate always vote's for whats best for them, i think they vote more on perception, sadly that perception is one fuelled by media side stories that are more about clicks and many ignore the major issues of importance (economy, jobs etc)
You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
People are more interested in voting based on the personalities of the leaders or what traditionally a party once stood for instead of what the party stands for today, or voting the opposite of what their parents do or maybe same as their parents do, or whatever dumb reason, basically people still vote like they are 18 instead of 36 or 56 or whatever.
Supafreak wrote:Its not going to be easy to clean up the mess this mob has created.
David Ritter argues quite well that it's been a "deliberate wrecking agenda"...
Supafreak wrote:Have to agree with this statement andy- mac , “ I reckon if Labor do win, it's probably biggest hospital pass in Australia's history, huge debt with not much to show for it and the media will start screaming debt and deficit. Who knows what other little booby traps they have hidden with their lack of transparency and corruption. “……….,, Its not going to be easy to clean up the mess this mob has created.
Yeah, I think they will have their work cut out for them.....
Hopefully they can rise to occasion and get Australia off the path to a USA style haves and haves not society.
jwithay wrote:Supafreak wrote:Its not going to be easy to clean up the mess this mob has created.
David Ritter argues quite well that it's been a "deliberate wrecking agenda"...
Reckon that's spot on.
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Sadly i don't think the electorate always vote's for whats best for them, i think they vote more on perception, sadly that perception is one fuelled by media side stories that are more about clicks and many ignore the major issues of importance (economy, jobs etc)
You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
People are more interested in voting based on the personalities of the leaders or what traditionally a party once stood for instead of what the party stands for today, or voting the opposite of what their parents do or maybe same as their parents do, or whatever dumb reason, basically people still vote like they are 18 instead of 36 or 56 or whatever.
You haven’t said anything on the sub deal indo 5.5 billion possibly higher and nothing to show for it , won’t bother mentioning the 40 billion flicked to profitable businesses.
"...But Covid has been tiring and long and off course through a pandemic not everything runs smoothly no country around the world is immune to this, no country around the world has been praised as an example of dealing with Covid perfectly, many governments have or will change because of Covid..."
so true...
it really isn't a left / right thing at all if one tries to be ojective, various places have overreacted and underreacted at various stages
which basically leads to this...
"Labor wont win the election, the coalition will lose it. Despite the Libs doing a pretty good job during the pandemic and throwing billions at the peasants to help them through the mood has turned, the plebs are over it all and need to punish someone for the pain and inconveniences of the last few years. Scotty is a bit on the nose, all tip and no iceberg, like a shiver looking for a spine to run up (Keating). Then again Albo couldn't raffle a duck in a pub so it could be close. Imho."
but yeh, dan andrews is still the biggest corona wanker
consistently overreacted with total overkill, and continues to do so
and would still be locking down now (and still unjustifiably influencing the rest of oz...) if gladys didn't knock some sense into the situation
the guys a tool
Old Dogs quote of the week….”Then again, Albo couldn’t raffle a duck in a pub”….
I was picturing that happening…..was funny …really funny.
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Sadly i don't think the electorate always vote's for whats best for them, i think they vote more on perception, sadly that perception is one fuelled by media side stories that are more about clicks and many ignore the major issues of importance (economy, jobs etc)
You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
People are more interested in voting based on the personalities of the leaders or what traditionally a party once stood for instead of what the party stands for today, or voting the opposite of what their parents do or maybe same as their parents do, or whatever dumb reason, basically people still vote like they are 18 instead of 36 or 56 or whatever.
You haven’t said anything on the sub deal indo 5.5 billion possibly higher and nothing to show for it , won’t bother mentioning the 40 billion flicked to profitable businesses.
If thats the kind of thing you base your vote on then great good on you, but it seems pretty crazy to me.
I base my vote on things that actually affect me, like the economy and I'm a tradie so also the health of the building industry is really important to me.
Australia has had over 27 years without a recession the majority of the time under LNP and technically that 27 years was only broken by a recession that barely was noticed the reality is currently despite the threat of inflation the economy is doing very well.
The building industry is booming, ive never had so much work its only my family commitments and choice of lifestyle that prevent me from working and because of the high demand, ive been lifting my prices i could lift them higher than i have but i just dont feel morally right rising them too high and basically ripping people off because they cant get someone to do the job.
Why would i vote for a party that could see all this end over the issues you think are some great concern???
It would be crazy.
I couldn't give a shit about deals with subs etc, none of us really know about building up military capability etc, even if they are fuck ups and a waste of money, again why would i vote on an issue like this that could have just as likely happened under Labor.
And im not some anti capitalist that worries about some money actually going back to companies that pay huge amounts of tax and provide jobs for thousands, the fact that they are profitable during a period that was expected to be a recession is great, 100 times better than if these business had collapsed and workers lost jobs etc
indo-dreaming wrote:You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
I'm assuming you think Australia was successful in getting through Covid (I agree).
But.. who's responsible for making the decisions that got us through Covid?
My understanding is that while this is/was meant to be a Federal responsibility, it's the states themselves that did the heavy lifting (and made all of the decisions) - as evidenced by the diverse range of measures in place at any one time.
Which means it's Dan Andrews who either got it right or wrong for Vicco.
But.. haven't you been heavily critical of Dan's Covid response?
“ …… Why would i vote for a party that could see all this end over the issues you think are some great concern???
It would be crazy.
I couldn't give a shit about deals with subs etc, none of us really know about building up military capability etc, even if they are fuck ups and a waste of money,…… “
I wondered whether there would be a time for this, and this morning there it was …..
@indo , I don’t just base my vote on 1 issue , that would be crazy as you say . You fail to acknowledge that some did very well with government support through covid but many many people did not , people lost their houses businesses and livelihoods but those that were unaffected don’t recognise this . To turn a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence and total shitfuckery is not how I base my vote just because ‘ hey I’m doing alright jack ‘ . The LNP are about to get totally flogged and for good reasons, the aftermath is going to be huge. Bring on ICAC
Yes, bring on ICAC.
7th Feb 2022:
"The prime minister, Scott Morrison, says there is still a chance to legislate a commonwealth integrity commission before the election, after the attorney general suggested the government would run out of time to do so. Establishing a federal anti-corruption commission in this term of government was a key pledge made by the prime minister before the last election, with a draft of the bill released in November 2020."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/07/michaelia-cash-sh...
It's been one thousand and fifty days since the Morrison government promised a federal ICAC.
Reckon they'll tick that box in the next six weeks?
Since entering Parliament in September 2013, companies directed, managed or associated with Angus Taylor's family have benefited from over $113,000,000 in State and Federal funds.
Living in a safe Labor seat it matters little what I do to my ballot paper but I would vote for any party who has an intelligent leader with vision, integrity, a quick wit, a sense of humor and puts middle Australia ahead of noisy fringe minorities, sadly we haven't one like this since the great Paul Keating. A right wing Labor man he introduced compulsory super for the masses even though the Libs fought tooth and nail against it believing super was only for the elite. He floated the Aust. dollar and deregulated our financial system. Passed indigenous land title rights.
Said loony left protestors should go out and get a job. The endangered species act. The disability discrimination legislation. The list is endless. O.K we had the recession we had to have and interest rates got up to 17% (as Indo would point out) but a three bedroom house by the beach cost us $58000. and took five years to pay off. So until some one worth voting for comes along I will exercise my right to vote by not voting for anyone. Cheers.
thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
I'm assuming you think Australia was successful in getting through Covid (I agree).
But.. who's responsible for making the decisions that got us through Covid?
My understanding is that while this is/was meant to be a Federal responsibility, it's the states themselves that did the heavy lifting (and made all of the decisions) - as evidenced by the diverse range of measures in place at any one time.
Which means it's Dan Andrews who either got it right or wrong for Vicco.
But.. haven't you been heavily critical of Dan's Covid response?
Completely in-correct.
The Federal government was the ones that closed the borders and implemented hotel quarantine with clear suggestions on how to do so including offering support of the ADF.
Almost all the programs to support workers and business big and small like job keeper etc were government funded as was increase in dole payments and other schemes like the renovation scheme.
State Governments just had one simple job to do which was to look after hotel quarantine NT, WA, SA, TAS, QLD all did very good, NSW did a decent job until the last outbreak especially considering they have the largest population and also by far the largest number of people returning going through the hotel quarantine system, Victoria was the black sheep and fucked up time after time after time and from day one did things differently including not using ADF when offered, even a enquiry couldn't find who made the major decision of using private contractors etc
Dan clearly got it wrong,
If you think him mopping up his mess is success well sorry we have very different ideas of success, if an arsonist helps put out a fire is that success???
Clearly no.
BTW. Imagine the frustration from Scomo and the government watching Dan drop the ball time after time and then coming to he government asking for more money, imagine the conversations behind the scenes.
Dan: Hi Scotty, um look i know last time i said it would be the last time, but um we are going to need more money.
Scomo: Oh Dan seriously WTF are you doing?...how the fuck do you keep fucking up?...why is it you time after time..while the other states can manage hotel quarantine?
Dan: Um agh just send us more money please.
Scomo: FFS just get your shit together, you are making all of Australia look bad and screwing up the whole of Aust stats, and i cant keep on giving you money...please dude just get your shit together.
Hangs up!
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Sadly i don't think the electorate always vote's for whats best for them, i think they vote more on perception, sadly that perception is one fuelled by media side stories that are more about clicks and many ignore the major issues of importance (economy, jobs etc)
You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
People are more interested in voting based on the personalities of the leaders or what traditionally a party once stood for instead of what the party stands for today, or voting the opposite of what their parents do or maybe same as their parents do, or whatever dumb reason, basically people still vote like they are 18 instead of 36 or 56 or whatever.
You haven’t said anything on the sub deal indo 5.5 billion possibly higher and nothing to show for it , won’t bother mentioning the 40 billion flicked to profitable businesses.
If thats the kind of thing you base your vote on then great good on you, but it seems pretty crazy to me.
I base my vote on things that actually affect me, like the economy and I'm a tradie so also the health of the building industry is really important to me.
Australia has had over 27 years without a recession the majority of the time under LNP and technically that 27 years was only broken by a recession that barely was noticed the reality is currently despite the threat of inflation the economy is doing very well.
The building industry is booming, ive never had so much work its only my family commitments and choice of lifestyle that prevent me from working and because of the high demand, ive been lifting my prices i could lift them higher than i have but i just dont feel morally right rising them too high and basically ripping people off because they cant get someone to do the job.
Why would i vote for a party that could see all this end over the issues you think are some great concern???
It would be crazy.
I couldn't give a shit about deals with subs etc, none of us really know about building up military capability etc, even if they are fuck ups and a waste of money, again why would i vote on an issue like this that could have just as likely happened under Labor.
And im not some anti capitalist that worries about some money actually going back to companies that pay huge amounts of tax and provide jobs for thousands, the fact that they are profitable during a period that was expected to be a recession is great, 100 times better than if these business had collapsed and workers lost jobs etc
I'm alright Jack???
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/02/barnaby-joyces-dr...
$675,000 in travel costs for some texts, if they exist.
More shitfuckery from these corrupt stooges.
Bring on ICAC....
thermalben wrote:Yes, bring on ICAC.
7th Feb 2022:
"The prime minister, Scott Morrison, says there is still a chance to legislate a commonwealth integrity commission before the election, after the attorney general suggested the government would run out of time to do so. Establishing a federal anti-corruption commission in this term of government was a key pledge made by the prime minister before the last election, with a draft of the bill released in November 2020."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/07/michaelia-cash-sh...
It's been one thousand and fifty days since the Morrison government promised a federal ICAC.
Reckon they'll tick that box in the next six weeks?
Did they not put some watered down weak proposal down where politicians are pretty much exempt, no historical actions investigated and it takes place without public transparency?
Then they blame Labor for not supporting it.
Please let a real ICAC take place!
Supafreak wrote:@indo , I don’t just base my vote on 1 issue , that would be crazy as you say . You fail to acknowledge that some did very well with government support through covid but many many people did not , people lost their houses businesses and livelihoods but those that were unaffected don’t recognise this . To turn a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence and total shitfuckery is not how I base my vote just because ‘ hey I’m doing alright jack ‘ . The LNP are about to get totally flogged and for good reasons, the aftermath is going to be huge. Bring on ICAC
Yes my cousin had a very successful well established company that managed live events sound and visual type stuff, he isn't going to rebuild the business as basically has to start from scratch again.
Is this Scomos fault?
No its just part of Covid and change in how these events can be run, ive also met very angry people that have lost jobs and big money due to lockdowns in Victoria, again not Scomos fault that Dan couldn't manage hotel quarantine like other states.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , I don’t just base my vote on 1 issue , that would be crazy as you say . You fail to acknowledge that some did very well with government support through covid but many many people did not , people lost their houses businesses and livelihoods but those that were unaffected don’t recognise this . To turn a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence and total shitfuckery is not how I base my vote just because ‘ hey I’m doing alright jack ‘ . The LNP are about to get totally flogged and for good reasons, the aftermath is going to be huge. Bring on ICAC
Yes my cousin had a very successful well established company that managed live events sound and visual type stuff, he isn't going to rebuild the business as basically has to start from scratch again.
Is this Scomos fault?
No its just part of Covid and change in how these events can be run, ive also met very angry people that have lost jobs and big money due to lockdowns in Victoria, again not Scomos fault that Dan couldn't manage hotel quarantine like other states.
Money was thrown at some industries, such as the building as you mention. The entertainment industry and University sector were totally deserted by the govt. Since Howard the LNP have screwed over the university sector and increased the cost of University study for students. Soon it will be the case unless you are from a very wealthy family, any idea of University study will be a fantasy. It seems like the LNP don't want the plebs getting an education and critical thinking skills, as these traits tend to have you not vote Tory.
They are still in this budget taking money out of public school sector and giving more to private. Yep good to be privileged in Australia!!!
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , I don’t just base my vote on 1 issue , that would be crazy as you say . You fail to acknowledge that some did very well with government support through covid but many many people did not , people lost their houses businesses and livelihoods but those that were unaffected don’t recognise this . To turn a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence and total shitfuckery is not how I base my vote just because ‘ hey I’m doing alright jack ‘ . The LNP are about to get totally flogged and for good reasons, the aftermath is going to be huge. Bring on ICAC
Yes my cousin had a very successful well established company that managed live events sound and visual type stuff, he isn't going to rebuild the business as basically has to start from scratch again.
Is this Scomos fault?
No its just part of Covid and change in how these events can be run, ive also met very angry people that have lost jobs and big money due to lockdowns in Victoria, again not Scomos fault that Dan couldn't manage hotel quarantine like other states.
Well indo maybe just maybe if money had been funnelled to those that actually needed it in order to survive instead of fattening the bank accounts of a few , then maybe just maybe the stench that lingers around the LNP wouldn’t be as bad . …. maybe
" ..... The Federal government was the ones that closed the borders and implemented hotel quarantine with clear suggestions on how to do so including offering support of the ADF....."
Telling the same lie over and over again doesn't make it true @info FFS.
Facts:
1. It's the Federal Govt that has constitutional responsibility for borders and quarantine.
2. While our international borders remained open Morrison and the State Premiers meet for the first time to discuss a response to Covid.
3. Morrison put it to the Premiers that: (1) AU's international borders should remain open and (2) travellers should be allowed to quarantine at home after travelling from the airports to home on taxis and public transport.
4. The State Premiers rejected Morrison's idea outright BUT agreed to take on the Federal Govt's quarantine responsibilities with Federal Govt support.
5. State Govt's introduced hotel quarantine (with no nationally consistent plans/guidelines) all the while our international borders remained open - remember the Fed Govt concern about upsetting Chinese students?
6. Morrison belatedly closed our international borders after it was evident case numbers in hotels were exploding.
Borders and Quarantine = Federal Govt constitutional responsibility
Health (after Covid is here) = State responsibility
Aged Care = Federal Govt responsibility
indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
I'm assuming you think Australia was successful in getting through Covid (I agree).
But.. who's responsible for making the decisions that got us through Covid?
My understanding is that while this is/was meant to be a Federal responsibility, it's the states themselves that did the heavy lifting (and made all of the decisions) - as evidenced by the diverse range of measures in place at any one time.
Which means it's Dan Andrews who either got it right or wrong for Vicco.
But.. haven't you been heavily critical of Dan's Covid response?
Completely in-correct.
The Federal government was the ones that closed the borders and implemented hotel quarantine with clear suggestions on how to do so including offering support of the ADF.
Almost all the programs to support workers and business big and small like job keeper etc were government funded as was increase in dole payments and other schemes like the renovation scheme.
State Governments just had one simple job to do which was to look after hotel quarantine NT, WA, SA, TAS, QLD all did very good, NSW did a decent job until the last outbreak especially considering they have the largest population and also by far the largest number of people returning going through the hotel quarantine system, Victoria was the black sheep and fucked up time after time after time and from day one did things differently including not using ADF when offered, even a enquiry couldn't find who made the major decision of using private contractors etc
Dan clearly got it wrong
You've kinda missed the point of my post.
You're stating "nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid". However, in the eyes of Victorians such as yourself, "Victoria was the black sheep and fucked up time after time after time".
So, if I follow your line of thinking: surely in the eyes of Victorians, Australia's Covid response was nothing but a fail.
But, you're highlighting Australia's Covid response as being a significant factor for the election (and suggesting, the 'great response' as being a win for the Liberals).
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , I don’t just base my vote on 1 issue , that would be crazy as you say . You fail to acknowledge that some did very well with government support through covid but many many people did not , people lost their houses businesses and livelihoods but those that were unaffected don’t recognise this . To turn a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence and total shitfuckery is not how I base my vote just because ‘ hey I’m doing alright jack ‘ . The LNP are about to get totally flogged and for good reasons, the aftermath is going to be huge. Bring on ICAC
Yes my cousin had a very successful well established company that managed live events sound and visual type stuff, he isn't going to rebuild the business as basically has to start from scratch again.
Is this Scomos fault?
No its just part of Covid and change in how these events can be run, ive also met very angry people that have lost jobs and big money due to lockdowns in Victoria, again not Scomos fault that Dan couldn't manage hotel quarantine like other states.
Well indo maybe just maybe if money had been funnelled to those that actually needed it in order to survive instead of fattening the bank accounts of a few , then maybe just maybe the stench that lingers around the LNP wouldn’t be as bad . …. maybe
Um Hello apart from Job Keeper and all the other support schemes and payments.
THE DOLE WAS DOUBLED DURING COVID AS WERE OTHER PAYMENTS,
Wasn't that enough? Did it need to be trippled?
If that had happened when i was on the dole, it would have been like winning the lottery, we would be getting pissed all weekend and doing surfing road trips during the week, it would have been the dream.
Remember this?
But yeah lets whinge because bigger companies that generate huge amounts of tax and provide jobs and services actually get something back too.
Yes your right indo we shouldn’t bitch about billionaires vastly increasing their wealth during a pandemic , after all they have expenses , like political donations .
@indo , are you in agreement that a ICAC is needed ? There’s bound to be a few labor politicians that will also go down .
Honestly i don't get this envy of other others financial success, but maybe its because I'm not driven to be some millionaire or billionaire, I'm not that well off but i have a house a few properties in Indo, i have an income I'm happy with, work life balance, great family and money isn't everything to me.
I see a real problem especially among many people here that seem real bitter and envy others financial success and i see a pattern of people (Youtubers, media, politicians) baiting & stirring people like you up.
It's seriously really unhealthy.
No matter what there will always be people who are rich, crazy rich, good on them, and if they have business that provide services and jobs then even better..
Without these big companies and rich fuckers, you wouldn't have that phone or PC you're using or the internet, or cars, you wouldn't have airlines to get us to Indo, or just things as simple as a can of coke.
indo-dreaming wrote:But yeah lets whinge because bigger companies that generate huge amounts of tax and provide jobs and services actually get something back too.
That's a broad generalisation re: "bigger companies that generate huge amounts of tax".
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/revealed-australias-top-40-tax-dodgers-fo...
@indo , I believe in accountability, not rich envy .
Supafreak wrote:@indo , I believe in accountability, not rich envy .
Ditto...
"Living in a safe Labor seat it matters little what I do to my ballot paper but I would vote for any party who has an intelligent leader with vision, integrity, a quick wit, a sense of humor and puts middle Australia ahead of noisy fringe minorities, sadly we haven't one like this since the great Paul Keating. A right wing Labor man he introduced compulsory super for the masses even though the Libs fought tooth and nail against it believing super was only for the elite. He floated the Aust. dollar and deregulated our financial system. Passed indigenous land title rights.
Said loony left protestors should go out and get a job. The endangered species act. The disability discrimination legislation..."
ahhhh... now that is a leader....
"Said loony left protestors should go out and get a job."
now, why is it that I cannot possibly see any contemporary left leader show such common sense and practical wisdom?
fucken bunch of hen pecked ....... that's why...
Anyone with a couple of houses I would currently regard as pretty comfortable. Debt or no debt. But taking a home loan or encouraging it with possibly only a 2% deposit in the current climate......? Bit of a risk and may leave certain people compromised. Bitterness doesn't bring poverty. Poverty brings bitterness through hopelessness. I couldn't give a fuck what people earn. Standards are set by those that can set them. Make sure you set them the right way and you don't have to watch an increasing problem unfold at our feet or come begging at your door.
old-dog wrote:Living in a safe Labor seat it matters little what I do to my ballot paper but I would vote for any party who has an intelligent leader with vision, integrity, a quick wit, a sense of humor and puts middle Australia ahead of noisy fringe minorities, sadly we haven't one like this since the great Paul Keating…
He goes alright, this old-dog, although he was a bit asleep at the wheel thinking the LNP did alright through the pandemic.
Apart from that, I’m here to lecture you all on why it is important to think about your ballot decision.
Political parties get a few bucks for every first preference vote. Think about that. If you are an independent I think you have to get something like 5% of the vote to qualify for this largesse.
So whoever you put at number 1 gets a few dollars. You can work it to what you want by using the preference voting to your advantage. Want to vote for a party but not let them get paid for it? Vote numpty Jack who won’t get elected and put your preferred party second.
Remember that with preferential voting it is more important to consider who you put last rather than who you put first (in terms of where your vote ends up).
Or old-dog’s alternative solution, just don’t mark the ballot paper. You don’t have to vote, but you do have to get your name marked off the ballot sheet.
Apart from that, enjoyable to read the comments just to see where average Australia’s head is at.
Indo is so revealing, his capacity to read up as down, and black as white, and then claim his version as ‘fact based opinion’ while everyone disagreeing is just ‘emotion based opinion’ is just rarefied levels of delusion.
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