2022 Election
After losing the un-lossable election last election it seems labor are playing it very safe, it would be a disaster to lose two un-lossable elections in a row..
This below seems to be the Labor election plan along with pretty much mirroring LNP on the budget, nothing too radical this time, no true Labor policies just Liberal lite all the way and a campaign of hate.
A leopard doesn't change its spots though two to three years time, interest rates will be up and unemployment rife.
At the very least if you going to vote Labor and have a home loan, dont be pigheaded lock that interest rate in before it get's too high. (and for future reference if re reading this thread in years to come, i did warn you, and I'm now blaming you)
@indo , what makes you think that under the LNP interest rates won’t go up ?
They might slightly but not in the way they will under Labor, because Labor and the unions will push wages up too fast causing wage push inflation at a time when we already have inflation issue and RBA will have no choice but to lift rates.
History repeats and we all know Labor made a complete mess of things in the 90s with interest rates pushing over 17% and unemployment over 10%.
In a weird kind of way it's almost good if Labor get in because once interest rates and unemployment rates go up people will vote them out the following election.
indo-dreaming wrote:They might slightly but not in the way they will under Labor, because Labor and the unions will push wages up too fast causing wage push inflation at a time when we already have inflation issue and RBA will have no choice but to lift rates.
History repeats and we all know Labor made a complete mess of things in the 90s with interest rates pushing over 17% and unemployment over 10%.
In a weird kind of way it's almost good if Labor get in because once interest rates and unemployment rates go up people will vote them out the following election.
Yet again a simple Google search will show that you are wrong in regards to real data, not Murdoch LNP falsehoods.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/opinion/the-inconvenient-tru...
Indo said “ In a weird kind of way it's almost good if Labor get in because once interest rates and unemployment rates go up people will vote them out the following election. “ ………I’m having trouble following your thinking here indo , surely you would rather see the better economic managers voted in ? Interest rates are going up regardless off who gets voted in , so is the cost of living . How do people survive if wages don’t increase with everything else going up ? To believe it’s going to be good if a party gets voted in and interest rates rise because of them and then people will vote them out is just plain weird.
Gawd. Scomo is an unpleasant person. Any mean girl advantage is countered by how bad he is.
@ID
When home prices or recessions follow global patterns you give the party in power a free pass....except if it's Labor when you drop any pretense of balance.
I recall clearly the time you researched Lab vs Lib spending and came to the sober conclusion there wasn't much between them. I also recall just a week or so later when you got on here and fell back into the same brain-dead mantra of 'Labor waste, LNP frugal'.
Your attitude to the Greens may be juvenile but at least it's honest. Maybe give readers some courtesy and do the same for other parties?
And if that's not possible then for the love of god stop accusing others of being biased and just own it.
Roadkill wrote:Gawd. Scomo is an unpleasant person. Any mean girl advantage is countered by how bad he is.
The 'mean girls' thing was always a beat up. Sharri Markson tried her hardest publishing four articles in two days, 'honouring' Kitching's words while damning her just weeks earlier when she was alive.
It was tasteless and transparent. A partisan media effort to back their favoured politicians.
Don't get stooged by that shite.
More leaks
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/leaked-text-messages-s...
If you don’t want to read the article
I've got to admit when I saw supafreak's 6.59am entry on my phone this morning before opening it I thought to myself beauty another LNP bus photo :)
stunet wrote:Roadkill wrote:Gawd. Scomo is an unpleasant person. Any mean girl advantage is countered by how bad he is.
The 'mean girls' thing was always a beat up. Sharri Markson tried her hardest publishing four articles in two days, 'honouring' Kitching's words while damning her just weeks earlier when she was alive.
It was tasteless and transparent. A partisan media effort to back their favoured politicians.
Don't get stooged by that shite.
So, the same partisan media that was a beat up in Scomo's favour is now going at scomo? hardly partisan...
Scomo is like Rudd...both were shallow weak and pure politicians..as is ALbo and the rest of them
The 'mean girls' story was wholly instigated by Sharri Markson, who since her flurry of an attempted takedown has been abjectly silent on every other leak, quote, and LNP parliamentary speech against ScoMo - and as you'd know, there's been a few.
So yeah, partisan.
stunet wrote:The 'mean girls' story was wholly instigated by Sharri Markson, who since her flurry of an attempted takedown has been abjectly silent on every other leak, quote, and LNP parliamentary speech against ScoMo - and as you'd know, there's been a few.
So yeah, partisan.
So I guess you only think there is only partisan media against your preferred party?
Stu, which media orgs are biased towards which parties and politicians?...in your opinion.
Roadkill wrote:stunet wrote:The 'mean girls' story was wholly instigated by Sharri Markson, who since her flurry of an attempted takedown has been abjectly silent on every other leak, quote, and LNP parliamentary speech against ScoMo - and as you'd know, there's been a few.
So yeah, partisan.
So I guess you only think there is partisan media against your preferred party?
When it comes to The Australian - which is the publication in question - yes, that's correct.
That's not a controversial or even surprising stance.
I'm more surprised that anyone thinks otherwise.
It is pretty obvious that both the Murdoch and 9 media are pro LNP. Been plenty of evidence of this written up based on data. ABC tries to remain neutral, but has been under constant attack by LNP (funding cuts), IPA, Murdoch and other bodies. They make no secret of the fact they want the public broadcaster gone.
Easy example of ABC these days is if LNP pollies giving a press conference ABC 24 will pretty much show whole thing, Albo or Labor pollie get on and it's off to sport. Becoming too obvious.
And then people ask why Albo cannot cut through ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-effect-of...
andy-mac wrote:It is pretty obvious that both the Murdoch and 9 media are pro LNP. Been plenty of evidence of this written up based on data. ABC tries to remain neutral, but has been under constant attack by LNP (funding cuts), IPA, Murdoch and other bodies. They make no secret of the fact they want the public broadcaster gone.
Easy example of ABC these days is if LNP pollies giving a press conference ABC 24 will pretty much show whole thing, Albo or Labor pollie get on and it's off to sport. Becoming too obvious.
And then people ask why Albo cannot cut through ¯\_(ツ)_/¯https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-effect-of...
Please, and what about Guardian? Best SEO online news site popping 1-3 in Google on every single topic. Constantly bashing Scomo and LNP. Not to mention that all independentaustralia.net writes about is how terrible LNP is. I don't want to defend the LNP though, they are the cause of their own controversy. However, I'm not buying this whole media conspiracy thing, Albo has many avenues to get his message across.
flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:It is pretty obvious that both the Murdoch and 9 media are pro LNP. Been plenty of evidence of this written up based on data. ABC tries to remain neutral, but has been under constant attack by LNP (funding cuts), IPA, Murdoch and other bodies. They make no secret of the fact they want the public broadcaster gone.
Easy example of ABC these days is if LNP pollies giving a press conference ABC 24 will pretty much show whole thing, Albo or Labor pollie get on and it's off to sport. Becoming too obvious.
And then people ask why Albo cannot cut through ¯\_(ツ)_/¯https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-effect-of...
Please, and what about Guardian? Best SEO online news site popping 1-3 in Google on every single topic. Constantly bashing Scomo and LNP. Not to mention that all independentaustralia.net writes about is how terrible LNP is. I don't want to defend the LNP though, they are the cause of their own controversy. However, I'm not buying this whole media conspiracy thing, Albo has many avenues to get his message across.
SN is pretty left leaning...the left is blind to the bias FOR them. Too busy hating Scomo and co to see clearly. Some media are for and some are against and vice versa.
I just dislike them all equally...it makes it easier.
Ok will give it that The Guardian is not in same category as Murdoch or 9. Lucky you can buy The Guardian paper copy in any newsagent or corner store in Australia, rural or urban to balance saturation of Murdoch mastheads, and stories they publish are followed up on commercial television.... ! Oh wait.....
The Guardian only appears to be left wing as Murdoch is so extreme right it makes a mockery of journalism. I use to love reading the Weekend Australian in 90's as good journalism, now it is a pathetic partisan joke....
Supafreak wrote:Indo said “ In a weird kind of way it's almost good if Labor get in because once interest rates and unemployment rates go up people will vote them out the following election. “ ………I’m having trouble following your thinking here indo , surely you would rather see the better economic managers voted in ? Interest rates are going up regardless off who gets voted in , so is the cost of living . How do people survive if wages don’t increase with everything else going up ? To believe it’s going to be good if a party gets voted in and interest rates rise because of them and then people will vote them out is just plain weird.
Whys it weird?
No party holds power forever about 8-10 years is the average before the grass looks greener(currently LNP have been in almost 9 years)
Labor will be voted in sooner or latter, id much rather see them voted in now with interest rates naturally rising and them push rates higher and fuck it all up, and see their dirty arses voted out ASAP.
Ideally they only hold one term, but max two, otherwise they are really going to fuck up Australia and you will really have something to whinge about.
What’s even weirder indo is that you believe the LNP have and are doing a fantastic job yet you believe they are going to lose this election.
flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:It is pretty obvious that both the Murdoch and 9 media are pro LNP. Been plenty of evidence of this written up based on data. ABC tries to remain neutral, but has been under constant attack by LNP (funding cuts), IPA, Murdoch and other bodies. They make no secret of the fact they want the public broadcaster gone.
Easy example of ABC these days is if LNP pollies giving a press conference ABC 24 will pretty much show whole thing, Albo or Labor pollie get on and it's off to sport. Becoming too obvious.
And then people ask why Albo cannot cut through ¯\_(ツ)_/¯https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-effect-of...
Please, and what about Guardian? Best SEO online news site popping 1-3 in Google on every single topic. Constantly bashing Scomo and LNP. Not to mention that all independentaustralia.net writes about is how terrible LNP is. I don't want to defend the LNP though, they are the cause of their own controversy. However, I'm not buying this whole media conspiracy thing, Albo has many avenues to get his message across.
Channel 9 pro LNP?
On what planet?? id say the opposite FFS George Soros is even a big investor of channel 9.
Supafreak wrote:What’s even weirder indo is that you believe the LNP have and are doing a fantastic job yet you believe they are going to lose this election.
The answer to this question doesn't change, although i could elaborate on the points if you wish.
And yes they have done a good job, pre Covid we all thought we were fucked and in for a deep dark recession, the recession was a few weeks long and technical only, unlike Keating recession where interest rates of 17% unemployment of over 10%, housing market destroyed and building industry dead, the economy has performed pretty good considering, housing market boomed, building industry is booming and unemployment rate at the lowest its been for god knows how long.
indo-dreaming wrote:These are the reasons:
1. Time and cycles: The longer a government is in power the harder it is to keep government by the time the election comes around it will be approaching almost 9 years since the LNP have been in power.
Personally i think LNP should have played it safe and called an election in the middle of Covid when they were way in front in the polls, it would have been criticised but changing government in the middle of a pandemic would have been less risky.
2. Covid and unrealistic expectations from the the public: name a decent sized country around the world that has done good during Covid??? even ask Kiwis and they will complain about the government approach and if there was an election there now we could see a very different result than their last election, people are just pessimistic and focus on small negatives instead of the overall positive picture. (and media fuel this, cause bad news sells and good news doesn't)
If LNP cant keep government after all their success during Covid, then they were never going too.
3. Media: Media have beat anything and everything up, im not saying it wont happen when Labor get in, i think it will, we have seen it during this recent "Mean girls" thing, the media landscape has changed a lot in the last few years and become more toxic than ever, the games getting harder.
4. Labor last election played a terrible hand, overconfident with radical policy and a very unlikable leader, this election its the opposite despite having an extremely vanilla leader with no charisma Albo also isn't instantly dislikable like Shorten, and policy wise they have toned everything way down, they also havent been over negative or political and just let the media do their thing, even losing weight i think is a clever move psychologically, naturally people look at that as a positive and think hmmm he looks younger and healthier.
@indo , they are your answers, doesn’t necessarily make them true .
I'm no liberal stooge but I must admit I agree with your above analysis Indo and believe in credit where credit is due. In the past Liberal politicians were all pompous twits only interested in increasing the wealth of their elitist business mates and the budget surplus was the one and only holy grail. ScoMo actually seemed to care about the peasants and I still cant believe they doubled the dole and payed every ones wages during lockdown. Some of my career Centrelink mates never had it so good and were going on holidays and eating KFC every night and buying play stations and pounds of mull after hitting the pokies.
I've been around long enough to remember when Labor stood for the working class but those days are long gone and I shudder to think what a mess we would be in if the apologists had been in charge for the last few years. Could of ,should have , would have, its so easy to criticize from the opposition benches but the pandemic, fires and floods have made the libs time a nightmare. Scomo was a calm voice of reason when the whole world seemed to be going crazy and all Governments just limp from crisis to crisis trying to appear like they know what they are doing. I couldn't give a rats who wins but I do worry my super might crash just in time for retirement if or when the kids get back in. Still not voting Liber though, not in my DNA. Cheers.
Gadzooks! George Soros! Next it will be the lizard people. And what about the children?
indo-dreaming wrote:flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:It is pretty obvious that both the Murdoch and 9 media are pro LNP. Been plenty of evidence of this written up based on data. ABC tries to remain neutral, but has been under constant attack by LNP (funding cuts), IPA, Murdoch and other bodies. They make no secret of the fact they want the public broadcaster gone.
Easy example of ABC these days is if LNP pollies giving a press conference ABC 24 will pretty much show whole thing, Albo or Labor pollie get on and it's off to sport. Becoming too obvious.
And then people ask why Albo cannot cut through ¯\_(ツ)_/¯https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-effect-of...
Please, and what about Guardian? Best SEO online news site popping 1-3 in Google on every single topic. Constantly bashing Scomo and LNP. Not to mention that all independentaustralia.net writes about is how terrible LNP is. I don't want to defend the LNP though, they are the cause of their own controversy. However, I'm not buying this whole media conspiracy thing, Albo has many avenues to get his message across.
Channel 9 pro LNP?
On what planet?? id say the opposite FFS George Soros is even a big investor of channel 9.
Peter Costello chairman, and LNP fundraising done at 9. Yeah reckon they could be pro LNP... Crikey, Soros gets mentioned, what's next Reptilians?
old-dog wrote:I'm no liberal stooge but I must admit I agree with your above analysis Indo and believe in credit where credit is due. In the past Liberal politicians were all pompous twits only interested in increasing the wealth of their elitist business mates and the budget surplus was the one and only holy grail. ScoMo actually seemed to care about the peasants and I still cant believe they doubled the dole and payed every ones wages during lockdown. Some of my career Centrelink mates never had it so good and were going on holidays and eating KFC every night and buying play stations and pounds of mull after hitting the pokies.
I've been around long enough to remember when Labor stood for the working class but those days are long gone and I shudder to think what a mess we would be in if the apologists had been in charge for the last few years. Could of ,should have , would have, its so easy to criticize from the opposition benches but the pandemic, fires and floods have made the libs time a nightmare. Scomo was a calm voice of reason when the whole world seemed to be going crazy and all Governments just limp from crisis to crisis trying to appear like they know what they are doing. I couldn't give a rats who wins but I do worry my super might crash just in time for retirement if or when the kids get back in. Still not voting Liber though, not in my DNA. Cheers.
Thanks
Not like slomo to get the facts wrong…….again . He is the main reason the LNP will be slaughtered but some don’t understand or believe this ………
The PM on 7.30 Report said I grew up at Alstonville - but I grew up on farm near Yass. Moved to Alstonville in 2000. He claimed I “made similar criticisms of Gladys” - TOTALLY UNTRUE - he just made that up.
— Catherine Cusack (@katieqs) April 6, 2022
Q. How do you know if Scott Morrison is lying?
A. His lips are moving.
Badabing, badabing!!! ◉‿◉
old-dog wrote:I'm no liberal stooge but I must admit I agree with your above analysis Indo and believe in credit where credit is due. In the past Liberal politicians were all pompous twits only interested in increasing the wealth of their elitist business mates and the budget surplus was the one and only holy grail. ScoMo actually seemed to care about the peasants and I still cant believe they doubled the dole and payed every ones wages during lockdown. Some of my career Centrelink mates never had it so good and were going on holidays and eating KFC every night and buying play stations and pounds of mull after hitting the pokies.
I've been around long enough to remember when Labor stood for the working class but those days are long gone and I shudder to think what a mess we would be in if the apologists had been in charge for the last few years. Could of ,should have , would have, its so easy to criticize from the opposition benches but the pandemic, fires and floods have made the libs time a nightmare. Scomo was a calm voice of reason when the whole world seemed to be going crazy and all Governments just limp from crisis to crisis trying to appear like they know what they are doing. I couldn't give a rats who wins but I do worry my super might crash just in time for retirement if or when the kids get back in. Still not voting Liber though, not in my DNA. Cheers.
When grovelling to get re-elected true, when not you take penalty rates of the lowest paid, stop enquiries into banks that are stripping money off the punters and roll out an illegal scheme called Robo Debt collection against, yep the peasants.
Morrison care about the peasants....never.
He can’t help himself , continually caught out lying. ………. Commonwealth has put $1b ‘in the pockets’ of flood victims: PM
Mark Ludlow
Mark LudlowQueensland bureau chief
Apr 5, 2022 – 5.21pm
Prime Minister Scott Morrison hit back at claims his government has not provided enough financial assistance to flood victims in NSW and Queensland, saying there was $2.1 billion on the table and $1 billion already “in the pockets” of those affected.
Only days before a federal election is expected to be called, Mr Morrison’s character was again questioned on Tuesday, with NSW upper house Liberal MP Catherine Cusack saying she could not bring herself to vote for him in the May poll. Ms Cusack, who announced last month that she would resign from the Legislative Council over the Morrison government’s flood response, accused the Prime Minister of “self-serving, ruthless bullying” that had ruined the Liberal Party.
She said 7000 homes in the Northern Rivers region were uninhabitable and residents felt abandoned by the Commonwealth.
“It’s unbelievable that any political leader would behave like this in relation to flood victims,” Ms Cusack told ABC Radio National. She repeated her claim that the Morrison government had provided more flood assistance to seats held by the Coalition than Labor – a claim rejected by Mr Morrison.
“That’s untrue, because $7000 or thereabouts which has also been received in additional disaster payments extend across all the seven LGAs [local government areas] including the one she lives in,” Mr Morrison said. “We listed those first three LGAs first because they were the most obvious ones and it was the advice of our agencies, and then I said that would be assessed further, which we did, and we extended [the payments] to the others, so it’s just wrong in fact.”
Mr Morrison, who has been challenged almost every day about allegations of bullying from within his own party, rejected claims the Commonwealth had been slow to respond to the recent floods.
“We’ve provided $2.1 billion in support, which actually is far in excess of what the state government has responded to the floods, with $1 billion of what we’ve committed ... already in people’s pockets,” he said. “We were prepared to take half the costs of those places impacted by the one-in-500-year flood event.”
But NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet, who remained in the Northern Rivers assessing the damage from the two recent floods, said the reason the state government went it alone on individual payments was because it “couldn’t wait” for the Commonwealth.
“We’d appreciate any support the federal government can provide us. But ultimately the people of the Northern Rivers can’t wait. We need to provide that support now,” he said.
“You only need to be here, going from community to community to community, to see the utter devastation. The reason we went alone is because we can’t wait.”
The NSW government announced a $112 million package on Monday that included $20,000 grants for people who had lost their homes and were not insured.
On Tuesday, Mr Perrottet announced $500 payments to parents whose children lost educational materials, such as textbooks. Teachers can also access up to $1000 to replace classroom materials lost or damaged in floodwaters.Federal Labor used the latest Liberal Party spat to test its campaign messaging ahead of the May election.
“He [Mr Morrison] has gone missing when Australians needed him most – in the bushfires, with the vaccines and in the floods,” Labor deputy Senate leader Kristina Keneally said on Sky News.
She said the politicisation of flood payments was “appalling”, and that the Morrison government had broken the “sacred pact” between government and its citizens.
It comes as some Northern Rivers residents said they were being forced out of temporary accommodation to make way for tourists over the Easter break.
More rain forecast for northern NSW over the next week could hamper clean-up efforts.
https://www.afr.com/politics/commonwealth-has-put-1b-in-the-pockets-of-f...
old-dog wrote:I'm no liberal stooge but I must admit I agree with your above analysis Indo and believe in credit where credit is due. In the past Liberal politicians were all pompous twits only interested in increasing the wealth of their elitist business mates and the budget surplus was the one and only holy grail. ScoMo actually seemed to care about the peasants and I still cant believe they doubled the dole and payed every ones wages during lockdown. Some of my career Centrelink mates never had it so good and were going on holidays and eating KFC every night and buying play stations and pounds of mull after hitting the pokies.
I've been around long enough to remember when Labor stood for the working class but those days are long gone and I shudder to think what a mess we would be in if the apologists had been in charge for the last few years. Could of ,should have , would have, its so easy to criticize from the opposition benches but the pandemic, fires and floods have made the libs time a nightmare. Scomo was a calm voice of reason when the whole world seemed to be going crazy and all Governments just limp from crisis to crisis trying to appear like they know what they are doing. I couldn't give a rats who wins but I do worry my super might crash just in time for retirement if or when the kids get back in. Still not voting Liber though, not in my DNA. Cheers.
"Calm voice of reason."
Surely you jest ... ┐( ∵ )┌
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/jordan-shanks-the-parliament-prayer-room-...
Dutton story ignored, now this.. but yeah no problemo with media in Australia....
andy-mac wrote:https://www.michaelwest.com.au/jordan-shanks-the-parliament-prayer-room-...
Dutton story ignored, now this.. but yeah no problemo with media in Australia....
The Hunter Biden laptop of Australian politics.
@indo to your point I witnessed a lot of good, business and capital investment friendly policies from LNP. I’ve gone through the latest budget in a bit more detail and there’s some good stuff in there.
But also, I witnessed huge issues in health which urgently need to be addressed. People are becoming invalids and they can’t get any assistance. My mother in law is retired, both hips gone, can barely move with a walker but impossible to get a surgery through the public system. Someone might say go private but not everyone has the money and to be honest, private health products are terribly structured and you still need to keep thousands to cover various gaps and co payments.
Also, having gone through child cares with 3 kids (this is my last year, happy me) I can comfortably say that our child care system is horrible. I fully support labor in this area even though I’m out of it next year.
So, I guess it’s up to everyone to decide what matters to them. I will openly admit that I like LNPs business and capital investment policies. But not everyone is a business owner or an investor.
https://m.
Dam.... The Prayer room has been busy! Family values... Yep.
Hot tuna wrote:andy-mac wrote:https://www.michaelwest.com.au/jordan-shanks-the-parliament-prayer-room-...
Dutton story ignored, now this.. but yeah no problemo with media in Australia....
The Hunter Biden laptop of Australian politics.
Check video I just linked.... Will be buried by msm but jeez he is naming names...
I hope not.? It’s a good story
On the buses .....
https://m.
Slomo’s campaign is going well
— Watch & Hold them Accountable (@themaccountable) April 6, 2022
SF, same thing happened to Albo yesterday. Albo pee’d his pants and wouldn't answer. At least Scomo had the bulls to front up.
Yes his bulls were very good at escorting the old bloke out of there .
Supafreak wrote:Yes his bulls were very good at escorting the old bloke out of there .
After he got to have his say…he spoke, he had his question allowed.
Meanwhile
Albo, refused to answer any questions….his media minions shut it down and Albo retreated to the corner.
Have you got the photos of albo “ peeing his pants “ or are you making shit up again ?
Supafreak wrote:
These sort of photos, SF?
Supafreak wrote:
And this sort?
SF posts made up shit all day, demands others post proof.
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