2022 Election
On who will win, my guess is that the LNP will be smashed and that either Labor rides a huge win into Canberra, or they just squeak home.
Best option for Australia imo is to see LNP smashed to a rump of a party, and for Labor to govern with independents. An independent for Speaker in the house of reps, and a full-blooded ICAC first item of legislation.
But I don’t know how it will play out. ScoMo could squeak through, I wouldn’t put money on it at 100-1, but still, it’s a strange world.
And the Australian voter is easily led, as asses are.
With you on best option batfink
^^
To add to your post Constance, here's an article on the 'nasty saga' that was written around the time it happened...
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nasty-saga-you-nearly-missed-200...
Yep I’ve read that before. Democracy in action. We’re all getting played by these pricks.
ICAC now
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/02/scott-morrison-de...
But but but Scomo says he didn't say it, so he wouldn't lie, would he???
How much longer will it get ? 
Supafreak wrote:How much longer will it get ?
Hopefully one day he is in front of a judge at ICAC and then his lying will be held to account....
A just system would see him imprisoned over Robodebt alone, not to mention the myriad of other corrupt actions.
Morrison claims that analysis of his lies are just "silly word games" and "juvenile debates".
Just reinforces what sort of person he is.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/04/01/scott-morrison-crikey-lies/
It’s the Christian thing to do. Modern Crusade? No just a dirtbag hypocrite wanting to use the same tactics that got him preselected
Dead man walking
. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/04/02/actually-mo...Scott lost the preselection ballot 82 votes to 8. What happened next is quite the story. pic.twitter.com/J50v2oumHc
— marquelawyers (@marquelawyers) April 2, 2022
Better economic managers... Pfft.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/blinded-by-dodgy-stats-frydenbergs-sermon...
andy-mac wrote:Better economic managers... Pfft.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/blinded-by-dodgy-stats-frydenbergs-sermon...
And here I was thinking we were the envy of the world…………. There are 58 highly developed countries, listed by the United Nations Development Program, with populations above 300,000 for which we have current annual GDP growth figures. Australia’s modest 4.2% for the 2021 December quarter ranks 43rd among those 58 nations.
Et, en France?
France, the UK, the US, Sweden, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Norway, and Portugal all grew by more than 5%. The Netherlands, Italy, Hungary, Greece, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Poland advanced by more than 6%. Ireland, Israel, Turkey, Argentina, Croatia, Georgia and Estonia expanded by more than 8%. Chile, Colombia, Malta, Panama and Slovenia grew by more than 10%.
Other measures also have Australia well down the global tables, and near the bottom on some. These include youth jobless rates, wages growth, retail sales, productivity, social housing and infrastructure investment.
Who would have thunk it?
Supafreak wrote:andy-mac wrote:Better economic managers... Pfft.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/blinded-by-dodgy-stats-frydenbergs-sermon...
And here I was thinking we were the envy of the world…………. There are 58 highly developed countries, listed by the United Nations Development Program, with populations above 300,000 for which we have current annual GDP growth figures. Australia’s modest 4.2% for the 2021 December quarter ranks 43rd among those 58 nations.
Et, en France?
France, the UK, the US, Sweden, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Norway, and Portugal all grew by more than 5%. The Netherlands, Italy, Hungary, Greece, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Poland advanced by more than 6%. Ireland, Israel, Turkey, Argentina, Croatia, Georgia and Estonia expanded by more than 8%. Chile, Colombia, Malta, Panama and Slovenia grew by more than 10%.
Other measures also have Australia well down the global tables, and near the bottom on some. These include youth jobless rates, wages growth, retail sales, productivity, social housing and infrastructure investment.
And our impartial fourth estate report things accurately and fairly...
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/big-budget-bluff-how-the-coalition-conned...
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:Yep..correct. The electorate will vote along what is best for them…everyone thinks Scomo is a dick..but they will put up with him as it is best for them.
Sadly i don't think the electorate always vote's for whats best for them, i think they vote more on perception, sadly that perception is one fuelled by media side stories that are more about clicks and many ignore the major issues of importance (economy, jobs etc)
You see it here in the forums, nobody can argue against how successful Australia has been getting through Covid, yet people will still rather roll the dice on the unknown instead of party/leader who has gotten results.
People are more interested in voting based on the personalities of the leaders or what traditionally a party once stood for instead of what the party stands for today, or voting the opposite of what their parents do or maybe same as their parents do, or whatever dumb reason, basically people still vote like they are 18 instead of 36 or 56 or whatever.
You haven’t said anything on the sub deal indo 5.5 billion possibly higher and nothing to show for it , won’t bother mentioning the 40 billion flicked to profitable businesses.
Indo just ignores all that shit, and can’t talk past Covid as he’s convinced it was Scotty and not the heavy lifting of the state’s that got us where we are. A real “I’m ok mate what’s the problem. Let’s go kick some environmental protestors. But only the elderly ones and the defenceless ones while I defend Harvey Normans taxpayer handout. Success Covid. I’m Ok, what’s the problem.’
Constance B Gibson wrote:Michael West was onto this straight off the bat. The corporate media playing a bit of catch-up.
As per usual.
Reckon quite a few booby traps waiting for an (hopefully) incoming Labor govt.
Hopefully the LNP on opposition bench won't be able to bitch too much with how Labor handle it as they will be preparing for their ICAC appearance.https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/millions-of-australians-face...
indo-dreaming wrote:I see a real problem especially among many people here that seem real bitter and envy others financial success and i see a pattern of people (Youtubers, media, politicians) baiting & stirring people like you up.
It's seriously really unhealthy.
No matter what there will always be people who are rich, crazy rich, good on them, and if they have business that provide services and jobs then even better..
Indo I don't think anybody begrudges someone who attains wealth through hard and honest work. I think the problem most of us have is with the current government and their shady mates who are attaining wealth at yours and my expense through deal after dodgy deal. It's not right and needs to be called out regardless of who is doing it.
You might be comfortable in your current situation, but there is a large part of our population that are not so comfortable and the larger that group becomes the more it will affect your lifestyle.
Still no housing solution from either side. Libs 5% house deposit is nice if you can afford a $800,000 mortgage. I believe my 400 k mortgage idea is the only solution to make housing available for the average family, and no matter what anyone says, if you have a target, you will find a solution.
Time for a graph. 
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Supafreak wrote:Time for a graph.
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Without a proper link it means nothing anyone can create graphs to paint what they like, i googled the guys name Alan Austin and all that came up was he writes for Crikey and Michael West, that scream bias BS loud and clear.
BTW We have had countess conversations here about debt and MMT, many of you lefties believe debt is now not important and MMT 100% true, maybe thats going a bit far but its certainly is changing how we view and deal debt you would expect the media will also change their view over time.
Didn’t slomo visit tassie a few days ago ? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/tasmanian-premier-peter-gutwein-q...
Off topic and all just wondering
Is a number one vote for the Cannabis party a wasted vote?
Looks like any vote is a wasted vote unfortunately mate.
Again.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:Time for a graph.
tracemyip duplicate removerWithout a proper link it means nothing anyone can create graphs to paint what they like, i googled the guys name Alan Austin and all that came up was he writes for Crikey and Michael West, that scream bias BS loud and clear.
BTW We have had countess conversations here about debt and MMT, many of you lefties believe debt is now not important and MMT 100% true, maybe thats going a bit far but its certainly is changing how we view and deal debt you would expect the media will also change their view over time.
Not so simple.
It depends what the debt is used for. Paying profitable companies tax payers money because they are mates/donors, not so good.
Spending money on infrastructure, education and such, yeah good due to multiplyer effect.
In household scenario, it is good to take out a loan for house, or pay for education as rewards in long term, increase value, increase earning potential. Not great if you take out a loan for holiday or car you cannot afford.
Unfortunately most of the LNP debt has been racked up on pork and gifts to their mates....
Additionally, Australia is a sovereign country with its own fiat currency, so therefore in simple terms when the govt borrows AUD, it is borrowing from itself.
"maybe thats going a bit far but its certainly is changing how we view and deal debt you would expect the media will also change their view over time"
or maybe you'd expect it given News Corp owns ~ 50% of the traditional media platforms in a highly concentrated media landscape?
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:Time for a graph.
tracemyip duplicate removerWithout a proper link it means nothing anyone can create graphs to paint what they like, i googled the guys name Alan Austin and all that came up was he writes for Crikey and Michael West, that scream bias BS loud and clear.
BTW We have had countess conversations here about debt and MMT, many of you lefties believe debt is now not important and MMT 100% true, maybe thats going a bit far but its certainly is changing how we view and deal debt you would expect the media will also change their view over time.
Not so simple.
It depends what the debt is used for. Paying profitable companies tax payers money because they are mates/donors, not so good.
Spending money on infrastructure, education and such, yeah good due to multiplyer effect.
In household scenario, it is good to take out a loan for house, or pay for education as rewards in long term, increase value, increase earning potential. Not great if you take out a loan for holiday or car you cannot afford.
Unfortunately most of the LNP debt has been racked up on pork and gifts to their mates....
Additionally, Australia is a sovereign country with its own fiat currency, so therefore in simple terms when the govt borrows AUD, it is borrowing from itself.
Blah blah blah same shit different day, ignore all the money spent elsewhere like Job keeper, doubling of the dole for god's sake...and just whinge about how some companies who actually provide much of this money got some back too and ensured they stayed afloat and were profitable.
Maybe you would be happy if they all failed and went bankrupt but im not.
groundswell wrote:Off topic and all just wondering
Is a number onetime vote for the Cannabis party a wasted vote?
Not according to these guys
https://m.
“... and just whinge about how some companies who actually provide much of this money got some back too and ensured they stayed afloat and were profitable...”
That’s $40,000,000,000 AUD @info wasted, given to profitable companies needlessly AND we the taxpayers aren’t allowed who was paid it !!!!!!
https://www.friendlyjordies.com/post/parliament-house-sex-investigation I’m enjoying watching all the scandals unravel in this coming election . A lot of this is being leaked from the LNP , slomo is on the nose and his own party is willing to throw him under the bus and try and rebuild, that’s if anyone is left after an ICAC
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:Time for a graph.
tracemyip duplicate removerWithout a proper link it means nothing anyone can create graphs to paint what they like, i googled the guys name Alan Austin and all that came up was he writes for Crikey and Michael West, that scream bias BS loud and clear.
BTW We have had countess conversations here about debt and MMT, many of you lefties believe debt is now not important and MMT 100% true, maybe thats going a bit far but its certainly is changing how we view and deal debt you would expect the media will also change their view over time.
Not so simple.
It depends what the debt is used for. Paying profitable companies tax payers money because they are mates/donors, not so good.
Spending money on infrastructure, education and such, yeah good due to multiplyer effect.
In household scenario, it is good to take out a loan for house, or pay for education as rewards in long term, increase value, increase earning potential. Not great if you take out a loan for holiday or car you cannot afford.
Unfortunately most of the LNP debt has been racked up on pork and gifts to their mates....
Additionally, Australia is a sovereign country with its own fiat currency, so therefore in simple terms when the govt borrows AUD, it is borrowing from itself.Blah blah blah same shit different day, ignore all the money spent elsewhere like Job keeper, doubling of the dole for god's sake...and just whinge about how some companies who actually provide much of this money got some back too and ensured they stayed afloat and were profitable.
Maybe you would be happy if they all failed and went bankrupt but im not.
Straw man much?
Job keeper was good policy as was increasing the welfare payments, as it was injection into economy. Great ideas by Sally McManus and Greg Combet, badly implemented by Morrison govt. Indo, if a Labor govt handed out $40 billion to Unions would you be ok with that?
LNP better economic managers, blah blah blah, well that had been proven to be false on many occasions, Joshy miscounted $70billion last budget ffs.
Check how the Australian economy has rated in OECD under both Labor and LNP govts.... Again data based. I'm not bothering to post it as you ignore facts when presented to you based on data.
For record, no I would not want to see any Australian company go broke and happy for govt help, but no not companies that improved their bottom line getting gifting tax payer dollars, when aged care centres, hospitals and Universities are getting gutted....
Constance B Gibson wrote:"Today the Morrison govt - which is not at all nepotistic, nor under the control of a lying, racist bully (observations/accusations from fellow LNP types) - announced a whole slew of new appointments to the political sinecure otherwise known as the 'Administrative Appeals Tribunal'."
Maaaaaates!!!
Stacked!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/mystery-shrouds-hansard-change-t...
Oh the shitfuckery!!!!
Eh?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-05/question-millions-australian-futu...
Reminds me of the time just before the 2019 federal election, where a $420 million Manus Island security contract was awarded to "a relatively unknown company, the Paladin Group, that was registered to a beach shack on Kangaroo Island and a PO box in Singapore".
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-18/government-to-be-grilled-over-man...
Better money managers………hmmmmmmm
Constance B Gibson wrote:"Today the Morrison govt - which is not at all nepotistic, nor under the control of a lying, racist bully (observations/accusations from fellow LNP types) - announced a whole slew of new appointments to the political sinecure otherwise known as the 'Administrative Appeals Tribunal'."
From memory at annual salaries of around $350,000 / 8 year tenure. Same thing happened before the last election, perhaps worse, which led to the Law Council at the time expressing serious concern over the appointment of inappropriate / underqualified people leading to poor decisions in law.
I’m a Liberal MP and I cannot vote for the re-election of a Scott Morrison government
Catherine Cusack. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/04/im-a-liberal-and-...
But but but, LNP are better economic managers, and we led the world in our handling of Covid.....!!! Stop ya whinging.
What's a bit of corruption, and giving 6 figure salaries to our mates just before an election. Politics of envy from you lefties.....
Supafreak wrote:I’m a Liberal MP and I cannot vote for the re-election of a Scott Morrison government
Catherine Cusack. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/04/im-a-liberal-and-...
Wow!
Tell us what you really think.
Out there somewhere someone in LNP land will know what really happened with Scomo and Tourism Australia. Let the leaks begin!
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/its-none-of-our-business-what-happened-to...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/how-clashes-with-a-...
GuySmiley wrote:Constance B Gibson wrote:"Today the Morrison govt - which is not at all nepotistic, nor under the control of a lying, racist bully (observations/accusations from fellow LNP types) - announced a whole slew of new appointments to the political sinecure otherwise known as the 'Administrative Appeals Tribunal'."
From memory at annual salaries of around $350,000 / 8 year tenure. Same thing happened before the last election, perhaps worse, which led to the Law Council at the time expressing serious concern over the appointment of inappropriate / underqualified people leading to poor decisions in law.
There you go, some salaries are over $400,000 pa.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/04/pru-goward-among-...
The gross and utter hypocrisy of these small government/small taxing neoconservatives on full display arguing for "can do capitalism" all the while suckling on the teat of taxpayer funded positions.
Looking forward to the leaks from unhappy campers after slomo gets his way . It’s the Scott Morrison party now and don’t you forget it . https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/obstacle-cleared-for-federal-electio... 
Already leaking like a sieve.
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politic...
a new market for inveterate punters: when will Scomo call it? (gamble responsibly)
call it call it call it
Supa nice Bus, I've been singing the muppets 'Rainbow connection' in my head for a few days now, being a lover and dreamer for better surf conditions in Vic
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