The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

@AW. In bliss atm. Just scored my favorite beachie peak doing it's thing, sheet glass, and fkn unbelievably just three of us on it, Jan. hols. saturday. Fkn miracle! Were 30 guys on it this morning on the high tide and no high tide bank. Scored bigly, not big but great size for that spot. Filled me up to full.
Life's great today, hope/know you are the same where you are, that 'secret' spot. Cheers.

adam12 wrote:

@AW. In bliss atm. Just scored my favorite beachie peak doing it's thing, sheet glass, and fkn unbelievably just three of us on it, Jan. hols. saturday. Fkn miracle! Were 30 guys on it this morning on the high tide and no high tide bank. Scored bigly, not big but great size for that spot. Filled me up to full.
Life's great today, hope/know you are the same where you are, that 'secret' spot. Cheers.

Adam12. Great to hear, think I might know where you are talking about, but shhh, I better not say !!!

Same here, mate and I had a very nice session earlier, 9 in the water, good vibes again by all participants, dolphins in the line up, dropping in and even surfing a wave with a rider up and surfing.

We are waiting for the arvo wind to back off, swell has risen a bit, will be back out soon, shitloads left today, mostly families with a surfing parent/s, loads of kids everywhere loving life, everyone’s happy.

I’d imagine many have left or are leaving as the next working Monday is upon them as Australians begin to return to business as usual.

Yesterday afternoon a huge Australian Salmon school shuffled past a break, present were dolphins, one seal, shitloads of fish and according to a chat with a guy earlier today, one Bronze Whaler snapping away at the flanks.

Biological world stops for nobody.AW

Love this

https://m.

For someone who claims he doesn't read any news or have social media Mr AW sure does like talking about himself and what he does .
Maybe just enjoy the desert indstead of wandering around trying to find phone signal on the high ground to post your exploits .
*Saltbush may be well known by many but not all and as the Lovely Susie and Chris ( agreed they have done a fantastic job with rehabiliting the place) would say "no photos, no drones and no social media , Thanks "
Don't see any swell bump Monday or Tuesday?hot and flat/ tiny till the long weekend , swell and return to sse winds ....
Wombats do actually extend into WA , heaps around Eucla and also in much smaller numbers all the way to the Fraser range( 100km east from Norseman ) which effectively stops them (well their burrowing re habitat) as the ground turns to rock.
Enjoy the heat and hopefully some epic desert twitching to be had

Back to the topic folks

mikehunt207 wrote:

For someone who claims he doesn't read any news or have social media Mr AW sure does like talking about himself and what he does .
Maybe just enjoy the desert indstead of wandering around trying to find phone signal on the high ground to post your exploits .
*Saltbush may be well known by many but not all and as the Lovely Susie and Chris ( agreed they have done a fantastic job with rehabiliting the place) would say "no photos, no drones and no social media , Thanks "
Don't see any swell bump Monday or Tuesday?hot and flat/ tiny till the long weekend , swell and return to sse winds ....
Wombats do actually extend into WA , heaps around Eucla and also in much smaller numbers all the way to the Fraser range( 100km east from Norseman ) which effectively stops them (well their burrowing re habitat) as the ground turns to rock.
Enjoy the heat and hopefully some epic desert twitching to be had

Back to the topic folks

Mikehunt207. Point being ? Never rested between surfs and communicated with others, don’t be a hypocrite.

Are you still pissed from ages ago when I said I still hate your moniker ? I still do , it’s derogatory to females who read these forums.

What’s your point re; Wombats ?

Wind produces swell. It’s very windy and the swell has risen a little, but you’d know that.

How’s your memory these days ? AW

The wombats bit is upthread and it's updating knowledge that wombats do exist in WA in places.

Love the area of your whole trip AW, every time you see a radio tower, I had to work on it! Lots of time spent remote out there.

Agree on the levels of waste and faeces at some of the roadside stops. There are some beauties and some truly inspiring country, and yes they get despoiled. Nevertheless it's a cool trip. And most people fly over this expanse or do the trip as fast as they can.

Today around here was so fun in pretty shallow conditions.

Back on thread, I keep up to date with who is shooting what at who, in Europe a general has come out saying to prepare for all out NATO war with Russia in the future. I've detailed all the rearming and positioning going on, but to be honest no need to update today. It was just a nice day, with some waves, and watching personal growth happen and barrels be around.

...

AW so where is your local, best winds, swell direction, where to park and a daily surf report. Perhaps you have a quiet little corner you'd like to fill us all in on. I know some long time locals over that way who would love to meet you and debate the topic. Last time I was there you couldn't even get a campsite for all the kook hipsters and influencer types. Why mention the names of each break, with a daily report, just say over west somewhere. It may be well known but you don't have to keep reminding everyone about it. Cheers and watch your back ;)

@AW, great to hear, funny how even in the desert the "noise" on here can still be heard. Some pissy posts aimed your way but I've seen how you operate, water off the ducks back, but push it and that duck grows fangs! Love it.
Just scored again. Late session, pretty much solo, just a dude and his kid out having a ball. Beautiful conditions, great little bank doubling up and spitting. So many waves let go, picking off the gems.
Surfed out atm, long time coming this feeling. Cup was full already today, now it's overflowed, filled the saucer and is all over the table.
Probably closest wave to home as the crow flies, one of my locals. @Old dog, it works on a N/NE, swells gotta be straight and not too big, tide pushing in to full. Just find the fish and chip shop at Ocean Grove and keep driving straight, don't take the bend. Park where all the millionaires have got their ocean view stinkhouses, you should find it. Fickle bitch so good luck. All welcome, usually just local old boys, friendly welcoming bunch as long as you take turns. They love a good laugh. If there's a guy on a Mayhem crowd killer out, swoopy style, probably me, come up and introduce yourself, I'll show you more waves around there if you like. My mates won't GAF I talked about it here. Never, ever seen it crowded. Plenty of other waves, usually better, in the area that get the sheep. Others definite secrets in the vicinity you'll need the local keys, we don't talk about them, but you could find 'em, few do.
Stop getting pissy about Cactus, I knew all @AW has said about it in the late 70's. Nat and Mark Warren and others all published it with maps and winds decades ago, go bitch to them, things been filmed since yonks. No one gets "reminded" it's there, they know. I could probably have a look at BOM and the buoys and give you a surf report myself, from my lounge room.
Know all about Moose shooting up line ups with visitors out and all the bullshit tough guy shit that went on back in the day. Long gone now. Firing up now a bit pathetic IMO.
It's the Google Earth days today, Instagram, all of it. Go check Paul Witzig's brother John's Insta, plenty of Cactus info there. Send your mates round to have a chat with him. Got a good mate that loves the joint, goes couple of times a year, been going since the 80's. very good surfer, Kiwi. So I just rang him to ask if he ever has trouble with crowds, locals or getting waves, his reply "Nup. That's why I go there".
You're pissing into the wind I reckon. And the veiled threats about your "long time local mates" are tuff guy fluff too. Plenty of lesser known waves out that way been overexposed on Insta and You tube and even seen them here on SN. Like the one Dylan Longbottom nearly kissed his arse goodbye on towing last year.
Go DM Tim Bonython if you wanna be a little bitch. @AW just being himself, interesting and informative, talking about his travels, his love of and extensive knowledge of nature, and surfing.
He's got a lot of mates here. You, not so much I'm guessing.
Reply or not. DGAF. Had my say. DGAF what you, your tuff guy mates or anyone, thinks of me. You've read this now. You know what I think.
Let this thread get back to the war (with @Indo) (sorry @Indo, a joke).

@Guy. Love that clip. Looks so much like home here. It's Cali though isn't it ?

Nice one Adam. It was fun today down our way too. Likes similar conditions, but often better mid tide. Agree about the digs at AW providing a surf report, what with the reason for Swellnet’s existence, 5 clicks and you have the current conditions and a forecast for the next 2 weeks. Lots of spots around the world. Time to give that bs a rest.

Wow touched a raw nerve. Exactly, this is a thread about a war, not some ones personal travel diary. Let's just agree to disagree and put it to bed. Perhaps start a new thread for everyone to document their travels. No threats or tough guy here, just a bit of tongue in cheek and btw Tim knows to never mention the C word or film there, he has been tuned on many an occasion even recently and is completely over it. It's not about bully boy localism, it's about respecting what many people see as one of only a few of surfings sacred sites. Btw I'm guessing it's not the Kiwi White you rang as he passed away. I don't want to keep this going so Cheers and back to the war.

old-dog wrote:

If people had any respect for this place they would just shut the fuck up and just enjoy it without having to tell the world on social media. Look at me, look at me.
I may be old school but its unwritten law, never mention the C word.

Fair call old dog. Even though there's onl 12 peoole reading this,....who are all well acquainted w the place..yoy make a damn good point. Went against my own ethics. Farken fly bliwn shark infested paranoud locals end of the earth it is...which is also true.

mikehunt207 wrote:

For someone who claims he doesn't read any news or have social media Mr AW sure does like talking about himself and what he does .
Maybe just enjoy the desert indstead of wandering around trying to find phone signal on the high ground to post your exploits .
*Saltbush may be well known by many but not all and as the Lovely Susie and Chris ( agreed they have done a fantastic job with rehabiliting the place) would say "no photos, no drones and no social media , Thanks "
Don't see any swell bump Monday or Tuesday?hot and flat/ tiny till the long weekend , swell and return to sse winds ....
Wombats do actually extend into WA , heaps around Eucla and also in much smaller numbers all the way to the Fraser range( 100km east from Norseman ) which effectively stops them (well their burrowing re habitat) as the ground turns to rock.
Enjoy the heat and hopefully some epic desert twitching to be had

Back to the topic folks

Might have to do a little 1500km kidnap mission to get them beyond the rocks. Thanks
..Mike H! ;)

Hey Adam12, yep would be California with Devon but I exactly know where you surfed today , nice… past the old skinner’s shop on the opposite corner, wow memories from when the Grove had a tranquility base higher up on the bend.

@old dog. Yep. Peace. Get fired up about keyboard tough guying/personal threats, more so probably in the real world, to my detriment on occasion but that's me. Bit of that here over the years, not my place to police it, Stu's done it a bit I recall, lost one of SN's best commentators over it I think, (not my favorite bloke but he had plenty of great things to say, sometimes shit ones I thought too) and I probably misread the vibe of your comments. Yeah, my mate is not KiwiWhite if that guy's gone, my mate still well and truly kicking, he's probably more "Kiwi DarK", got Maori blood, he's a shearer. You may know him, may not, he's a bit of a lone wolf, not a socialiser. Non drinker. Beautiful surfer though
Do understand your feeling of really knowing a place and loving it then watching it whored out and change on you. Few of them myself. Good on Tim B. for getting that message and taking it.
Also bit protective of @AW, also not my place too probably, he's a big boy and can look after himself, does it pretty well here. But he recently had my back in a little journey into darkness I took and ended up sharing with him, although we've not ever met in the flesh he's a bit of a brother from another mother to me, like others here are too. My own real brother is a big boy too, nicest, funniest, sweetest guy you could wish to know, me not so much. but anytime anyone goes him they find out they have to deal with me too, or more like a demon I keep caged up and only let out on occasion. Non negotiable that one. So feel a bit the same about @AW. Triggered a bit. Apologies.
@Guy, yep, that's the one. She's skunked me so many times but lately been handing me gifts of quality and solitude on those kind of days, when the hordes are scrapping it out close by. Probably a line up I wouldn't travel too far for, fortunately don't, but a good place sometimes to catch up with a few of the old boys. Yeah, Tranquility's gone, that whole block and the more recent building all set to be redeveloped soon I think, read they aren't extending any leases. And the millionaires and super/inheritance crew well and truly ensconced in that town now, ruined it a bit. Most of my friends sold up, cashed out or priced out a while back, like my old local Lonnie. Used to be 'God's waiting Room' and fisho families/summer holiday crew. Pop.around around 2000. Fkn massive 'pleasantville' development ruined it for me, huge footprint and overpriced to buggery now IMO. Not much you can do, same in lots of places.
Out from me.
Let the war begin, again.

@Adam

A few recent examples of leaders taken out recently, the first video from today is i think the biggest news story of them all.

Another targeted assassination strike in Beirut overnight, very good informative video.

Apart from the assassination of that top Hamas leader in Beirut about two weeks ago.

Theres was also a Hezbollah leader killed in an air strike in Lebanon about ten days ago

Another terrorist leader also taken out in the West Bank in the last few days
" Hamas terror leader, Abdullah Abu-Shalal"

And on top of that another Hamas leader was taken out in Gaza city in the last few days, (talked about from about 4:00 onwards)

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Old dog,wars are all about money and power.......greedy fukkers who dont give a shit about other people or the earth .....money money money.......thats why you dont understand and neither do i and most normal people......

old-dog wrote:

Wow touched a raw nerve. Exactly, this is a thread about a war, not some ones personal travel diary. Let's just agree to disagree and put it to bed. Perhaps start a new thread for everyone to document their travels. No threats or tough guy here, just a bit of tongue in cheek and btw Tim knows to never mention the C word or film there, he has been tuned on many an occasion even recently and is completely over it. It's not about bully boy localism, it's about respecting what many people see as one of only a few of surfings sacred sites. Btw I'm guessing it's not the Kiwi White you rang as he passed away. I don't want to keep this going so Cheers and back to the war.

100% agree. Have said the same previously.
It’s getting time for farting elephants in the botany nerds thread.

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Yeah I hear you Adam my family’s roots go back in that area before me, still remember many of the old people and their family names before it went pear shaped, still have links down that way but further down the coast but that part of the bellarine ….. ooops Ross at Rasta is still livin it

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

Andy, pretty naive question from me (need to do more YouTubing ;) ) but your last sentence made me think.
Do you honestly think that’s a possibility?

Did someone say YouTube?
https://m.

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

goofyfoot wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

Andy, pretty naive question from me (need to do more YouTubing ;) ) but your last sentence made me think.
Do you honestly think that’s a possibility?

WW3?
Dunno, hope not but these things can go pear shaped quickly.
If Pakistan and Iran get involved, one of these States has nuclear weapons.
Maybe over dramatic, but my basic knowledge how WW1 got going was not really foreseen, and WW2 was really a continuation of WW1...

Anyway just had fun surf and it's a sunny day, I'm getting away from this negative shit.
Peace out....

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

It’s interesting you default to excuses for Palestinian lack of real human morality and right and wrong.
I say this because you said

“ My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.”

You have shown bias…and have used Israel as the bad guys and Palestinians / Gaza guys as the victims and as the side that has an excuse to be allowed to fight back as a defence.

I don’t even think you know you do it…but reading your reply exposes it.

Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?

Btw…I do think my morality and knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than what I see coming out of Gaza and promoted by Palestinians.

This is proven on a daily basis.

Ps..I don’t actually have the answer as to how to fix the hate and bring peace to the region. I don’t think it is possible to have peace there as 1 side clearly does not want peace.

PPS….I probably have a bias in favour of Israel. I am happy to own that.

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

It’s interesting you default to excuses for Palestinian lack of real human morality and right and wrong.
I say this because you said

“ My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.”

You have shown bias…and have used Israel as the bad guys and Palestinians / Gaza guys as the victims and as the side that has an excuse to be allowed to fight back as a defence.

I don’t even think you know you do it…but reading your reply exposes it.

Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?

Yes mate, have met some pretty cool Israeli's in my travels and some dicks. Have quite a few seppo mates who are Jewish, even had a Jewish business partner for over a decade.
One of my mum's closest friends lived I a kibbutz in the 70's doing the communal things, I grew up knowing her as my aunty.
So assume away.

“ Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?”

For discussion purposes care to define Jew and Israel

Edit … “ Btw…I do think my morality and knowledge of right and wrong is far greater than what I see coming out of Gaza and promoted by Palestinians.

This is proven on a daily basis.”

See herein is the problem seeing the world in this way, really?

By a Jew do you mean humble people of the Jewish faith who were born in Israel or RWNJs who have arrived there with their ideology and lived unlawfully on Palestinian land in the West Bank or any person between?

By Israel do you mean the pre ‘67 boundaries or the current boundaries that are not recognised internationally or by the UN?

And now a question for you: do you see Palestinians as a lesser form of human life as inferred in the ^^^ quote or is that just poorly worded?

Please don’t respond my questions are rhetorical.

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

It’s interesting you default to excuses for Palestinian lack of real human morality and right and wrong.
I say this because you said

“ My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.”

You have shown bias…and have used Israel as the bad guys and Palestinians / Gaza guys as the victims and as the side that has an excuse to be allowed to fight back as a defence.

I don’t even think you know you do it…but reading your reply exposes it.

Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?

Yes mate, have met some pretty cool Israeli's in my travels and some dicks. Have quite a few seppo mates who are Jewish, even had a Jewish business partner for over a decade.
So assume away.

“So assume away” you sound a bit cranky there. I thought you wanted discussion? Or is it only discussion that agrees with your bias you are happy for?

Yet you still only hold 1 side responsible for the current carry on.

GuySmiley wrote:

“ Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?”

For discussion purposes care to define Jew and Israel

Sure.

A Jew.
That lives in Israel.

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

It’s interesting you default to excuses for Palestinian lack of real human morality and right and wrong.
I say this because you said

“ My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.”

You have shown bias…and have used Israel as the bad guys and Palestinians / Gaza guys as the victims and as the side that has an excuse to be allowed to fight back as a defence.

I don’t even think you know you do it…but reading your reply exposes it.

Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?

Yes mate, have met some pretty cool Israeli's in my travels and some dicks. Have quite a few seppo mates who are Jewish, even had a Jewish business partner for over a decade.
So assume away.

“So assume away” you sound a bit cranky there. I thought you wanted discussion? Or is it only discussion that agrees with your bias you are happy for?

Yet you still only hold 1 side responsible for the current carry on.

Na not cranky at all, just don't see world in absolutes and as straight up black and white as you seem to.
Good n bad on both sides here.

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

old-dog wrote:

Yes, I probably come across as a bit of a smart arse, so apologies to you guys for that.
For what it's worth which aint much, here's my 2c worth on the war.
What Hamas did was absolutely disgusting and deserved a harsh response but no one of sound mind could condone what Israel are doing to the ordinary Palistinians. They have used a sledghammer to break an egg and risk uniting the whole ME against the west like never before. I can't get my head around war, Govt. sponsored legal murder, slaughter, savagery, and wholesale destruction of entire blocks. How angry would we be if it was done to us. Biggest terrorist recruitment drive in our lifetimes.

Spot on!
Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.
The prospect of escalation throughout ME is horrifying.
The USA needs to pressure (not just words) Israel to stop this shit before WW3 gets going.

“ Hope you are not accused now of being anti Semitic or pro Hamas.”

Give us a break. Too fast to pull the victim cry baby card. andy.

Huh??

I have a question for you.

Do Palestinians know right from wrong? Are they morally capable to acknowledge and do the right thing to the same level as Australians?

What kind of question is that?

The experience of growing up as a Australian in what is probably the luckiest country on earth versus someone growing up in their occupied land after being kicked out of their generational home, sold by some fuckwit real estate agent from Melbourne. Yes the world view may vary a tad.
As far as humans go, I believe intrinsically all humans have an innate knowledge of what is good and evil, no matter what colour their skin, ethnicity or religion.
Some follow this , some don't.
Easy for me as a very privileged upper middle class white Australian male to judge what the 'right thing' to do is.

My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.
Yeah my sense of morality may be a bit different.
Would yours?

It’s interesting you default to excuses for Palestinian lack of real human morality and right and wrong.
I say this because you said

“ My view might vary if my generational family home was destroyed after I was forcibly removed, and then had my children killed by an USA supplied bomb fired from Israel, and my wife shot by a sniper.”

You have shown bias…and have used Israel as the bad guys and Palestinians / Gaza guys as the victims and as the side that has an excuse to be allowed to fight back as a defence.

I don’t even think you know you do it…but reading your reply exposes it.

Have you ever put yourself in the position of a Jew living in Israel?

Yes mate, have met some pretty cool Israeli's in my travels and some dicks. Have quite a few seppo mates who are Jewish, even had a Jewish business partner for over a decade.
So assume away.

“So assume away” you sound a bit cranky there. I thought you wanted discussion? Or is it only discussion that agrees with your bias you are happy for?

Yet you still only hold 1 side responsible for the current carry on.

Na not cranky at all, just don't see world in absolutes and as straight up black and white as you seem to.
Good n bad on both sides here.

well you do seem to see absolutes…you have never offered any real empathy for Israeli deaths..sure you have mumbled something like “ it is terrible what happened” and you follow it up with a huge but…and then just come up with excuses for Palestinians and how Israel murders innocents. Show me where you have seen both sides of the issue? And where absolutes is not something you deal in?

andy, are Palestinians good people and do they want peace? Will they accept peace if it does not include the extermination of all Jews? And being given all their land demands?

Roadkill wrote:

andy, are Palestinians good people and do they want peace? Will they accept peace if it does not include the extermination of all Jews? And being given all their land demands?

Some are and want peace, some are not and don't want peace.
Same goes for Israeli's as well...

Stupid question really.
Are you getting paid for your Zionist dribble?
Hope so.
I'm out.

https://m.

My current thoughts.
1. Netanyahu needs to go..he is not a good leader for the current conflict.
2. It is time Israel starts to plan for a ceasefire. Hostages being brought home is now more important than chasing Hamas as they won’t clean them all up.

This is a good article.

After more than 100 days of war, Israel’s limited progress in dismantling Hamas has raised doubts within the military’s high command about the feasibility of achieving the country’s principal wartime objectives: eradicating Hamas and also liberating the Israeli hostages still in the Gaza Strip.
Israel has established control over a smaller part of Gaza at this point in the war than it originally envisaged in battle plans from the start of the invasion, which were reviewed by The New York Times.

That slower-than-expected pace has led some commanders to privately express their frustrations over the civilian government’s strategy for Gaza and led them to conclude that the freedom of more than 100 Israeli hostages still in Gaza can be secured only through diplomatic rather than military means.
Mutually incompatible
The dual objectives of freeing the hostages and destroying Hamas are now mutually incompatible, according to interviews with four senior military leaders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not permitted to speak publicly about their opinions.
There is also a clash between how long Israel would need to fully eradicate Hamas — a time-consuming slog fought in the group’s warren of underground tunnels — and the pressure, applied by Israel’s allies, to wrap up the war quickly amid a spiralling civilian death toll.
The generals further said that a drawn-out battle intended to fully dismantle Hamas would most likely cost the lives of the Israeli hostages held in Gaza since October 7, when Hamas militants invaded Israel, killed roughly 1200 people and took some 240 captives, according to Israeli estimates.
Hamas freed more than 100 hostages in November but has said it will not release the others unless Israel agrees to completely cease hostilities. Most of the remaining hostages are thought to be held by Hamas cells that are hiding within the subterranean fortress of tunnels that extends for hundreds of kilometres beneath the surface of Gaza.
Rift exposed
On Thursday, Gadi Eisenkot, a former army chief who is serving in the war cabinet, exposed a rift inside the government when he said in a television interview that it was an “illusion” to believe that the hostages could be rescued alive through military operations.
“The situation in Gaza is such that the war aims have yet to be achieved,” said Mr Eisenkot, adding, “For me, there’s no dilemma. The mission is to rescue civilians, ahead of killing an enemy.”
That strategic bind has amplified the military’s frustration at the indecisiveness of Israel’s civilian leadership, according to the four commanders.
The commanders said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s equivocation about a postwar plan for Gaza was at least in part to blame for the military’s predicament on the battlefield.
Mr Netanyahu has yet to clarify how Gaza will be governed after the war — and the commanders said that without a long-term vision for the territory, the army could not make short-term tactical decisions about how to capture the parts of Gaza that remain beyond Israeli control.

Capturing the southernmost part of Gaza, which lines the Egyptian border, would require greater coordination with Egypt. But Egypt is unwilling to engage without guarantees from Israel over the postwar plan, three of the commanders said.
Asked for comment, Mr Netanyahu’s office said in a statement that “the PM is leading the war on Hamas with unprecedented achievements in a very decisive manner.” In a speech Thursday, Mr Netanyahu promised to achieve “total victory over Hamas” and rescue the hostages.
The Israeli military initially declined to respond to the commanders’ comments. A military statement later said: “The release of the hostages is part of the goals of the war, and is of the utmost importance.”
The generals fear that a lengthy campaign — without a postwar plan — would erode any remaining support from Israel’s allies, limiting their willingness to supply additional ammunition.

Foreign leaders have grown alarmed by the death toll caused by Israel’s campaign: More than 24,000 Palestinians have been killed in the war, according to health authorities in the enclave, prompting accusations — strongly denied by Israel — of genocide.
‘Basically, it’s a stalemate’
Families of hostages have become more vocal about the need to free their relatives through diplomacy, not force. Some hostages taken into Gaza have since been declared dead — and it is not yet clear whether they were accidentally killed by Israeli forces or by Hamas.
Of the more than 100 hostages liberated since the invasion began, only one was freed in a rescue operation. The others were all swapped for Palestinian prisoners and detainees during a brief truce in November.
By focusing its efforts on destroying the tunnels, the military risks mistakes that could cost the lives of more Israeli citizens. Three Israeli hostages were already killed by their own soldiers in December, despite waving a white flag and shouting in Hebrew.
“Basically, it’s a stalemate,” said Andreas Krieg, a war expert at King’s College London. “It’s not an environment where you can free hostages,” he added.
“If you go into the tunnels, and you try to free them with special forces or whatever, you will kill them,” Mr Krieg said. “You either will kill them directly — or indirectly, in booby traps or in a firefight.”

Many tunnels have been destroyed, but if the remaining tunnels are left intact, Hamas will remain effectively undefeated, decreasing the likelihood that the group would release hostages under any circumstances short of a complete cease-fire.
The remaining alternative is a diplomatic settlement that could involve freeing the hostages in exchange for thousands of Palestinians jailed by Israel, along with a cessation of hostilities.

According to three of the commanders interviewed by the Times, the diplomatic route would be the swiftest way of returning the Israelis who remain in captivity.
724 kilometres of tunnels
For some on the Israeli right, the war’s limited progress is the result of the government’s recent decision, following pressure from the United States and other allies, to slow the pace of the invasion.
But military leaders say their campaign has been stymied by a Hamas infrastructure that was more sophisticated than Israeli intelligence officers previously assessed.
Before the invasion, officials thought the tunnel network beneath Gaza was up to 160 kilometres in length; Hamas’ leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, had claimed in 2021 that it was closer to 482 kilometres.
Military officials now believe there are up to 724 kilometres of tunnels underneath a territory that is just 40 kilometres at its longest point.
On the eve of Israel’s invasion, the military assessed that it would establish “operational control” over Gaza City, Khan Younis and Rafah — Gaza’s three largest cities — by late December, according to a military planning document reviewed by the Times.
But by mid-January, Israel had yet to begin its advance into Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city, and still had not forced Hamas from every part of Khan Younis, another major city in the south.
After the army appeared to establish control over northern Gaza at the end of last year, it said that the war had entered a new, less intense phase. Generals withdrew roughly half of the 50,000 troops stationed in northern Gaza at the peak of the campaign in December, and more departures are expected by the end of January.
That created a power vacuum in the north, allowing Hamas fighters and civilian officials to try to reassert their authority there, alarming many Israelis who hoped Hamas had been entirely vanquished in the area.

Some Israeli politicians say Israel could defeat Hamas faster and rescue the hostages by applying more force. They say that more aggression could also compel Hamas to release more hostages without a permanent cease-fire.
“We should apply much more pressure,” said Danny Danon, a senior legislator from Mr Netanyahu’s governing party, Likud. “We made a mistake when we changed the way we were operating.”
But military analysts say that more force will achieve little.
“It is an unwinnable war,” Mr Krieg said.

“ Are you getting paid for your Zionist dribble?”

Seriously..is that all you got? You are reduced to posting stupid little 1 liner sentences like this? It’s kinda pathetic.

You’re out because you are running away instead of having a discussion?

See ya.

Rather than criticising others why not reflect on your own position, time well spent is quiet reflection

Ha ha ha ha ….nearly spat my smoothie.

euphemism?

Optimist wrote:

Ha ha ha ha ….nearly spat my smoothie.

Yeah Guy talks about others not having self awareness, im not even drinking a smoothie and i nearly vomited one up

Came on for a Quick Look and found gold…..fools gold.

So predictable aren’t you that I caught you both hook, line and sinker. Bait taken cockwombles. Bahahaha

basesix wrote:

euphemism?

Very clever base6

Guy spends time crying to admin…who also ignore him. Lol