The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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stunet started the topic in Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:45am

Because the world would be a better place if leaders only listened to Swellnet commenters, we've created a forum that makes it easy for them to gather our thoughts.

Today's shit talk is tomorrow's policy.

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 6:33pm

Not reading through this thread atm, will catch up on any replies later on if there are any.
Just dropping back in with a few more twitter truth bombs about the world's most moral army, the IDF, plus a couple for fun at the end,


https://twitter.com/_PersianReez/status/1744074546385498429
https://twitter.com/TheRonBaumann/status/1744443856639447414

This one reminded me a bit of what plays out here, with @Indo, @Roady, @opti, @GSCO/greenroom et al played by One Nation Sen. Mal Roberts and the rest of us played by Greens Sen. Nick McKim, encapsulated in one eight second silent movie.

Finally, there are good reasons why one shouldn't fall asleep on the job.

Mahalo bitches.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 7:22pm

Iran is having more and more Internal problems .

Their own people will ( have imo ) turn against them , perhaps sooner rather than later .

The Iranians had a long history of a progressive society .

They are just starting to see , how bad they have it .

There a lot of smart and nice young kids there that would enjoy the freedoms we and fellow Arabs enjoy in Egypt and the UAE .

This war , has proved to me ( the accord has held , so far ) , that the Iranian Mufti's made a fatal mistake invading Israel on the 7th Oct .

It turned out they couldn't even get the troops to fight in the North and West , as Hamas expected .

The leadership in Iran , have turned their country into a Rogue Arab Shark .

They have turned themselves into Public Enemy No 1 , in the Abraham Accord .

They are on their own .

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It has been confirmed that most funding to Hamas from AA members has stopped .

The other Arab countries have decided to Stop feeding the shark , forever ( Abraham ) .

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NATO reneged on the Minsk Agreement ( Merkel has said so ) .

Germany got a crappy Treaty and it caused another World War .

This Treaty is proving ( only to me ) it is a Blood Treaty .

Saladin and King Richard , two of the most honourable and righteous MEN ., could not parley a Binding Agreement ( long term ) .

Abraham , somehow makes it a Binding and Solemn Agreement ( Document ) .

As I have said , I have a very Special feeling that this treaty is Special .

I will pray it is ( remind the Universe I like the idea ) .

Abraham Trumps Jihad .

I like it .

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The Rogue Arab Shark is trying to GO nuclear .

The Majority of Arabs ( not leaders , the PEOPLE ) don't even want that to happen .

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 7:27pm

you're right pops...

well, i hope you are right...

but you are, re. the iranian people and their leadership

harris nutters thinking their time is now

and the people, not really feeling it... not at all..

I forget the guy's name, but there's a rogue democrat taking on biden, and saying exactly what we are saying - of course, the machine is giving him the bernie sanders treatment - but he is not backing down...

without going full flopti... he's saying the iranian people have had enough, and the west kinda missed an opportunity when all the iranian chicks were firing up about headscarves...

he wasn't advocating invasion / regime change - conceding the US has fucked enough of them up - but seems frustrated that the west (US) was on the wrong path at the time, ie. biden appeasing iran, and reflexively doing the opposite of orange man... because of... well... orange man...

as they do...

the democrats need to desperately stop doing this shit...

orange man, has a lot of faults, but on the big issues, he's almost always been proven to be right...

denying this for sake of it... and then embarrassingly having to concede and change tack, is not serving them well...

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 8:55pm

sypy

U seem to be referring to Kennedy .

Only , just keeping an eye on him so not sure what he says .

My gut feeling is that he is a good guy .

Never heard or read Harris ( not even above ) .

I love that Trumpy is not a US politician and that he didn't start a war ( also kept Hilary out ) .

Not sure what they mean by NO regime change .

I think the Iranians DO want to change the fn current regime !!

They are the ones to chose how they want to be governed .

They have done it before .

However , they desperately need OUR help .

No with an Invasion Force , with determined and unwavering support from other good people .

Thats how things have happened , and should happen again .

The Worm has turned in the ME and Europe .

Anyone notice the recent Change there ?

I haven't seen that mentioned either , on SN .

The Dutch have changed direction .

They have seen the light , perhaps ?

Who is next , I wonder ?

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 8:58pm

Hey pop,
Just had a look at the wiki on it (Abraham accord). Is your take that in an effort to normalise relations the Arab nations threw the Palestinians under the bus. The Israeli’s agreeing not to further annex the Palestinian occupied territories but not ceasing settlements to secure trade agreements. Hamas with the whispers from Iran have launched an offensive that really didn’t have the backing of most of the arabs and now they’re being hung out to dry? Is that your and sypkans take or am I being too simplistic?
Just trying to get my head around it.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:21pm

soggy

I hope u thought the Accord ok and has a hope of giving the region some Peace .

I just speak for myself .

Unfortunately , I think the Iranians have been very happy to have Hamas ( or anyone who wants to kill Jews ) rule the Palestinians and deliberately ensure the are on a fn Highway called Gaza . For decades .

The poor Palestinians , do keep getting thrown under buses .

The drivers of the Buses ATM ! are Hamas .

They have the poor Palestinians , strapped to the ground imho .

But even Palestinians , hopefully agree , Abraham Trumps Jihad .

I hope that helps .

I can be very unclear .

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Alfred .

U are posting on this thread .

Any view on the Accord ?

I agree with Roady .

Botany bombs should be used nicely , not for deliberate mucking around .

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AlfredWallace Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:15pm
Roadkill wrote:

I’m thinking of moving to the botany nerds ahoy thread..and start randomly posting YouTube and talking about Israel/Hamas.

You guys bring your stuff here, I might take what interests me over there. Or, I might just copy what you guys post and repost it in that thread.

What you all think?

Or. Let’s keep topic threads for what they are.

Roadkill. You’re an adult. Do what you want.

Why do you need to tell us what the fuck you are doing ?

Would you like me to write a note for your teacher ?

Fair dinkum..AW

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:28pm
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This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

It’s under the city of Tel-Aviv.
It’s only your speculation and rationalisation that makes a military bunker in Gaza different from a military bunker in Tel-Aviv. They’re both there for the same reason, they’re both concrete and steel, they’re both in city’s, they’re both underground, they both house people who work for military. They’re both not for civilians ( your point), If targeted because of there location civilians will be harmed. Same Same is all I’m pointing out.

At the moment you are jumping for joy using all the above equal metrics to justify attacking a civilian population by deliberately mis representing something that both sides use, as evil when regarding one side by using hyperbole and speculation when discussing it? Get it? How is one side more pernicious for doing exactly the same thing?

Um. no mate you are the one that is making huge speculations, you have ZERO evidence to your claims it is under civilian infrastructure.

Even if its in Tel-Aviv city rather than Tel-Aviv region, its extremely unlikely to be under civilian infrastructure, Its much more likely to be an underground bunker under a military facility, every country has these.

And No dude its not same same.

A military bunker under a military base is not at all the same as hundreds of kilometers of tunnels used for military operations, under civilan areas, focussing on areas like Hospitals, Schools, Mosque, Playgrounds and shooting rockets from similar areas.

Seriously your argument is just ridiculous and so piss weak the problem is you just dont have anything of substance cause your backing a morally corrupt jihadist/terrorist group your clutching at straws, trying to make the stupidest comparisons .

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:39pm

@Pop,
Sorry I was a bit short and misunderstood (I think) what you were asking. A lot on today.
Yes, in spite of the dirty Trump/Kushner finger prints on it, the accord has held and been a success, so far, and could go on the list of foreign policy successes of the Trump years. Biden has been building on it too, in terms of facilitating and normalising trade amongst the signatories, which all spells good news for the peace goal. But a couple of points.
Like I said in the other post, these things can unravel and depend on the willingness of the parties to accord to the accord, if you get my drift. Israel is making it harder for states like UAE, Jordan etc to want to be peace partners with them. Palestinian genocide wasn't part of the deal.
Another one that sticks out is that The House of Saud though "reported" to be considering it, haven't signed up. They are the big fish in the pond, and Wahhabis, and as I have suggested in other posts on this thread, if the shit ever really hits the fan for Israel, IMO it won't be the Iranians that they have to worry about, it's Saudi Arabia. Just my opinion. As for signatories like Morrocco and Sudan and Bahrain etc, yeah, all good stuff but pffft.
The other one's never invited to the table, the center of the whole problem today, are the Palestinians who just think of it as another Zionist initiative. That didn't please the other Arab states involved, but they aren't the ones being killed and displaced and denied self determination and statehood. And the murdering innocents in Palestine in this bullshit "human shield" slaughter fest ain't pleasing them either.
There will be no peace in the ME until the Palestinians get their state and their rights, no matter who normalises relations and trade. And I believe no peace for Israel while the Zionist Far Right hold power.
Yitzak Rabin was the man for the job and they shot him in the head. Netanyahu, Olmert, Sharon etc, these guys are war mongers (and war criminals) they are not interested in peace, only extermination and repression.
So while this accord still stands, with the ground under it shifting, I think you may be putting too much faith in it in terms of ME peace. Hope I'm wrong but you know me, I'll have to be convinced before I admit it.
So that's my considered opinion. No more questions atm, FFS, lot's on my plate, but always good to chat with my old buddy, better in person though.
I'll be sending you an invoice for this, taking up my valuable time that could be better spent in the garden or the garage.
Adios muchacho.

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:05pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

It’s under the city of Tel-Aviv.
It’s only your speculation and rationalisation that makes a military bunker in Gaza different from a military bunker in Tel-Aviv. They’re both there for the same reason, they’re both concrete and steel, they’re both in city’s, they’re both underground, they both house people who work for military. They’re both not for civilians ( your point), If targeted because of there location civilians will be harmed. Same Same is all I’m pointing out.

At the moment you are jumping for joy using all the above equal metrics to justify attacking a civilian population by deliberately mis representing something that both sides use, as evil when regarding one side by using hyperbole and speculation when discussing it? Get it? How is one side more pernicious for doing exactly the same thing?

Um. no mate you are the one that is making huge speculations, you have ZERO evidence to your claims it is under civilian infrastructure.

Even if its in Tel-Aviv city rather than Tel-Aviv region, its extremely unlikely to be under civilian infrastructure, Its much more likely to be an underground bunker under a military facility, every country has these.

And No dude its not same same.

A military bunker under a military base is not at all the same as hundreds of kilometers of tunnels used for military operations, under civilan areas, focussing on areas like Hospitals, Schools, Mosque, Playgrounds and shooting rockets from similar areas.

Seriously your argument is just ridiculous and so piss weak the problem is you just dont have anything of substance cause your backing a morally corrupt jihadist/terrorist group your clutching at straws, trying to make the stupidest comparisons .

Have a look at the map that Adam provided. Surrounded by civilian infrastructure.

The other military bunker of the IDF was in a different region. The North.

So let me get this straight. Gaza, being one of the most densely populated places on earth isn’t allowed to have subterranean military infrastructure but Israel is, even though they are not as densely populated.
Numerous articles out there stating the IDF’s bunker is in the centre of Tel-Aviv Indo

Again with Hamas apologist bullshit. I haven’t defended Hamas. I’ve shown that the IDF does exactly the same thing you have condemned Hamas for. The IDF continues to target civilians as do Hamas.

My counter point to your last paragraph rant is you are supporting a colonial occupying force in violation of numerous international laws with clear and stated genocidal intent.

Heads up for your self and your co pilot Goose. Wilful ignorance is not a good way to approach discussion.

I hope all your genocidal blood lust comes true for the new year Indo, and remember, there’s always someone new to punch down on.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:16pm

Thank U Adam 12

Mate , this NOT a personal chat .

If anyone posts something anytime anywhere , and I feel like commenting I will .

I make my own rules , as I go .

Will make an effort to NOT ask Adam 12 a fn Q .

Adam 12

Good stuff .

I thought the Saudis had signed .

I have mentioned before on the Thread that the Saudi's and Israeli's were showing real improvement in Diplomatic relations before the 7th .

As I mentioned above to soggy that the Iranians have been using the Palestinians for decades as Pawns ( Bus fodder ) .

I was wrong .

All the Arab nations played them as Pawns .

The Abraham League stopped playing that Game when they signed the Treaty .

Only Iran now views them as a Pawn and they are STILL happy to sacrifice it .

The German tried Genocide on the Jews .

To expect ME to believe the Jews would choose a group of people to do the same to , is Disturbing imho .

People should be much more careful using that fn work imho .

I see it was too often , maybe its lost its potency or meaning , for some .

The Jews haven't forgotten what the word REALLY means .

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ffs soggy

The Israelis are and advance country and can build whatever they want above or below ground .

The Palestinians are poor . Gasa has poor infrastructure .

Of fn course Hamas should NOT have sent so much fn MONEY building a fn James Bond type Underground Infrastructure .

For fucken what ?

To hide themselves and fn hostages in .

Shit .

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:31pm

sooggydog, as we're all learning... fuck the ME is complicated...

and, as my graph showed the other day, muslims have killed way way way more muslims than the US and israel combined... that's just for context...

I'll try and break it down a bit

iran and saudi arabia are in their own cold war/proxy war scenario, that's been raging for decades, as they both see themselves as the major players and influencers in the region

iran versus saudi arabia

iran (the shia head gurus) versus saudi arabia (the sunni head gurus)

the abraham accord brought a heap of muslim countries into a peace arrangement, that also meant them acknowledging israel as a viable entity

quite a development

the talk was, saudi arabia was on the verge of doing the same

this would have been devastating and isolating for iran

and that is why they funded, trained, and pushed for hamas to attack on october 7th ...before a deal could be struck...

this threw the whole deck of cards into the air... once again...

exactly what iran wanted!

(see adam's post above)

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:19pm

an interesting article, not least because it was just before oct 7th....

https://www.csis.org/analysis/bidens-efforts-bring-saudi-arabia-abraham-...

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:52pm

@Sypkan,
g'day pal, awhile since we chatted, I read about that effort by Biden, the Saudis are shrewd and fkn ruthless when they want to be. This new Prince, the bone saw guy, is one ruthless MF, never mind what happened in Turkey to Khashoggi, he's probably done much worse to his own "relatives". He's just biding his time.
Anyway, you are correct, the ME is a clusterfuck that just keeps getting more clustered and fucked.
Now the Israelis are knocking off Hezbollah leaders, poking another Iran backed bear, this one's a grizzly! Ain't gonna get better before it gets worse I think, the whole thing.
Anyway, I posted a twitter tweet (fkn hate saying that, so an X link I mean) the other day just for you, thought of you when I saw it. Our piss ant duplicitous little sell out PM Tony "Israel has the right to defend itself" Albanese, back in the day when he still had a bit of trade unionist blood in him and wasn't afraid of the truth. Here it is again incase you missed it...

And while we're on the subject of twitter/X this happened last year, pretty stoked
https://twitter.com/SChundercock/status/1745064452247187600

Catch ya again here soon

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:49pm
sypkan wrote:

sooggydog, as we're all learning... fuck the ME is complicated...

and, as my graph showed the other day, muslims have killed way way way more muslims than the US and israel combined... that's just for context...

I'll try and break it down a bit

iran and saudi arabia are in their own cold war/proxy war scenario, that's been raging for decades, as they both see themselves as the major players and influencers in the region

iran versus saudi arabia

iran (the shia head gurus) versus saudi arabia (the sunni head gurus)

the abraham accord brought a heap of muslim countries into a peace arrangement, that also meant them acknowledging israel as a viable entity

quite a development

the talk was, saudi arabia was on the verge of doing the same

this would have been devastating and isolating for iran

and that is why they funded, trained, and pushed for hamas to attack on october 7th ...before a deal could be struck...

this threw the whole deck of cards into the air... once again...

exactly what iran wanted!

(see adam's post above)

Thanks, very clear.

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:59pm

@pop” ffs soggy

The Israelis are and advance country and can build whatever they want above or below ground .

The Palestinians are poor . Gasa has poor infrastructure .

Of fn course Hamas should NOT have sent so much fn MONEY building a fn James Bond type Underground Infrastructure .

For fucken what ?

To hide themselves and fn hostages in .

Shit .”

So it’s an economic issue. But in defence the Gaza tunnels did look a bit rougher than the “Fortress of Zion”. Yea that’s what they call it.

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:59pm

@pop” ffs soggy

The Israelis are and advance country and can build whatever they want above or below ground .

The Palestinians are poor . Gasa has poor infrastructure .

Of fn course Hamas should NOT have sent so much fn MONEY building a fn James Bond type Underground Infrastructure .

For fucken what ?

To hide themselves and fn hostages in .

Shit .”

So it’s an economic issue. But in defence the Gaza tunnels did look a bit rougher than the “Fortress of Zion”. Yea that’s what they call it.

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adam12 Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 2:06am

@Pop,
Just had to get up because the dog woke me up barking to get let out for another crap, about no 12 for today. (I think I'm overfeeding her trying to keep what's left of her strength up, oops) and the computer was still on and I noticed this "Will make an effort to NOT ask Adam 12 a fn Q ."
Now you know I was only joking.
You know you can always ask me anything, I'm no expert on anything so don't rely on the answer, but when have I ever refused a (your last name)?
Just don't go asking too many q's about our old wild west days, as I have shown you of late, most of those answers are lost in the fog. Anyway, back to bed.
Chat soon.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 7:31am

Soogy

U might think spending money on a tunnel an economic issue .

Not prioritising your children's basic needs , I think , is a moral one .

So is using the tunnels to hold and torture hostages .

I hope this is clear and U can see this important difference ,ffs !

I could be wrong , of course .

Shit .

And mate , U asked me a fn question .

I hope I fn cleared things up a bit for U .

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No need to reply as am grumpy .

edie 2

Are U Dan Andrews , soggy thinking imho , ( joking alert ) .

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Optimist Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 7:36am

Starting to be convinced Green room is right about same guy , multiple personalities talking to himself. Too much weirdness going on here. The list makes sense too. OPT out Y.

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goofyfoot Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 8:59am
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Winning hearts and minds ...
Carnts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/10/west-bank-videos-show-isra...

I keep watching these videos but I don’t think I can take much more, it’s disgusting.
And then parrots like Indo jump on here everyday taking sides and barracking for one side like it’s a football match. Gleefully cheering.
How sick in the head do you have to be to do that.
That video last night of the lady shot to death waving the white flag next to the child was as sad and inhumane as it gets. I went to bed still thinking about it.
Yes I’m ‘dissing’ you Indo because cunts like you make me sick. You can’t see both sides. You enjoy and get off on this shit

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:20am
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Starting to be convinced Green room is right about same guy , multiple personalities talking to himself. Too much weirdness going on here. The list makes sense too. OPT out Y.

Good morning Optiwomble, they say a picture tells a thousand words and there is no better pictorial representation of your posts, and the other wombles for that matter, than this video

https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/item/64070845-close-pooping-cow

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andy-mac Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:20am
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andy-mac wrote:

Winning hearts and minds ...
Carnts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/10/west-bank-videos-show-isra...

I keep watching these videos but I don’t think I can take much more, it’s disgusting.
And then parrots like Indo jump on here everyday taking sides and barracking for one side like it’s a football match. Gleefully cheering.
How sick in the head do you have to be to do that.
That video last night of the lady shot to death waving the white flag next to the child was as sad and inhumane as it gets. I went to bed still thinking about it.
Yes I’m ‘dissing’ you Indo because cunts like you make me sick. You can’t see both sides. You enjoy and get off on this shit

Yep I've been staying off this thread, just reading it, but that hit me.
Not in Gaza but in the illegal occupied West Bank.
How would some of the commentators here feel if they were getting kicked out of their home at their local area, told they can no longer surf their local beach, then standing around having a chat and you and your mates were shot.
It's so fucked.
But then you are still accused of being the bad guys .

And in Oz this....
Balanced reporting, as mentioned if it was Israeli flag would have been all over the media.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:40am

Hello goofy

I went to bed last week and had a bad nights sleep after watching and reading a clip on this thread .

I can have a real NORMAL fight with anyone , usually , and just turn off as I am only grumpy , not upset .

This thread is used , by both sides , to show the horrors of war .

The Clips of this War are way to easy to find , get upset about and fn POST as a bomb , to upset others .

This stuff is available everywhere and I don't want to see them ( or try and concentrate on a photo ) on SN .

An message from anyone is easy for ME to ignore .

A gory photo or Clip , almost impossible for me to forget .

As this topic is important to me I will try and contribute .

I STILL hope its removed from SN .

I will endure it but I know it's not good for me .

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I got really upset about reading a story about a little Palestinian boy , I now , fn remember .

Not a clip or photo .

I now vividly remember deliberately choosing to read the article as was in "the discussion" and thought I should read it .

I was fn wrong , again !!!

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:26am

There is no religion higher than the truth

https://melbourne.theosophicalsociety.org.au/statics/the-emblem

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goofyfoot Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:34am
Pop Down wrote:

Hello goofy

I went to bed last week and had a bad nights sleep after watching and reading a clip on this thread .

I can have a real NORMAL fight with anyone , usually , and just turn off as I am only grumpy , not upset .

This thread is used , by both sides , to show the horrors of war .

The Clips of this War are way to easy to find , get upset about and fn POST as a bomb , to upset others .

This stuff is available everywhere and I don't want to see them ( or try and concentrate on a photo ) on SN .

An message from anyone is easy for ME to ignore .

A gory photo or Clip , almost impossible for me to forget .

As this topic is important to me I will try and contribute .

I STILL hope its removed from SN .

I will endure it but I know it's not good for me .

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I got really upset about reading a story about a little Palestinian boy , I now , fn remember .

Not a clip or photo .

Hi pop. Yeah it’s disturbing.
I’m going to “pop down!” On reading the forums for a bit.
I already regret my last post having a go at Indo but it’s out there now so bad luck for me.
It’s pointless having a go at people online but sometimes emotions bubble over, especially when kids are involved.

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andy-mac Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:42am
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Hello goofy

I went to bed last week and had a bad nights sleep after watching and reading a clip on this thread .

I can have a real NORMAL fight with anyone , usually , and just turn off as I am only grumpy , not upset .

This thread is used , by both sides , to show the horrors of war .

The Clips of this War are way to easy to find , get upset about and fn POST as a bomb , to upset others .

This stuff is available everywhere and I don't want to see them ( or try and concentrate on a photo ) on SN .

An message from anyone is easy for ME to ignore .

A gory photo or Clip , almost impossible for me to forget .

As this topic is important to me I will try and contribute .

I STILL hope its removed from SN .

I will endure it but I know it's not good for me .

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I got really upset about reading a story about a little Palestinian boy , I now , fn remember .

Not a clip or photo .

Hi pop. Yeah it’s disturbing.
I’m going to “pop down!” On reading the forums for a bit.
I already regret my last post having a go at Indo but it’s out there now so bad luck for me.
It’s pointless having a go at people online but sometimes emotions bubble over, especially when kids are involved.

Yeah also kind of regret getting sucked back in with that article.
Horrible shit happening on both sides.

Just got a new pup, so going to go and play with him and smile.

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goofyfoot Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 9:47am
andy-mac wrote:
goofyfoot wrote:
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Hello goofy

I went to bed last week and had a bad nights sleep after watching and reading a clip on this thread .

I can have a real NORMAL fight with anyone , usually , and just turn off as I am only grumpy , not upset .

This thread is used , by both sides , to show the horrors of war .

The Clips of this War are way to easy to find , get upset about and fn POST as a bomb , to upset others .

This stuff is available everywhere and I don't want to see them ( or try and concentrate on a photo ) on SN .

An message from anyone is easy for ME to ignore .

A gory photo or Clip , almost impossible for me to forget .

As this topic is important to me I will try and contribute .

I STILL hope its removed from SN .

I will endure it but I know it's not good for me .

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I got really upset about reading a story about a little Palestinian boy , I now , fn remember .

Not a clip or photo .

Hi pop. Yeah it’s disturbing.
I’m going to “pop down!” On reading the forums for a bit.
I already regret my last post having a go at Indo but it’s out there now so bad luck for me.
It’s pointless having a go at people online but sometimes emotions bubble over, especially when kids are involved.

Yeah also kind of regret getting sucked back in with that article.
Horrible shit happening on both sides.

Just got a new pup, so going to go and play with him and smile.

Enjoy andy! Sounds much more enjoyable. We’re so lucky to live in Oz.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:06am

good work goofy .

Please remember , if you do pop down , pop back up , quickly :)

I am the Worlds Best BAD reactor ( think nuclear ) to people , sometimes .

No regrets as always make a quick amends .

I am the Sorry King of the World imho .

hey Macca

I love any animal babies , especially a Puppy .

The puppy will enjoy training U .

Mine took about a month to have me jumping to her orders .

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andy-mac Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:01am
goofyfoot wrote:
andy-mac wrote:
goofyfoot wrote:
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Hello goofy

I went to bed last week and had a bad nights sleep after watching and reading a clip on this thread .

I can have a real NORMAL fight with anyone , usually , and just turn off as I am only grumpy , not upset .

This thread is used , by both sides , to show the horrors of war .

The Clips of this War are way to easy to find , get upset about and fn POST as a bomb , to upset others .

This stuff is available everywhere and I don't want to see them ( or try and concentrate on a photo ) on SN .

An message from anyone is easy for ME to ignore .

A gory photo or Clip , almost impossible for me to forget .

As this topic is important to me I will try and contribute .

I STILL hope its removed from SN .

I will endure it but I know it's not good for me .

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I got really upset about reading a story about a little Palestinian boy , I now , fn remember .

Not a clip or photo .

Hi pop. Yeah it’s disturbing.
I’m going to “pop down!” On reading the forums for a bit.
I already regret my last post having a go at Indo but it’s out there now so bad luck for me.
It’s pointless having a go at people online but sometimes emotions bubble over, especially when kids are involved.

Yeah also kind of regret getting sucked back in with that article.
Horrible shit happening on both sides.

Just got a new pup, so going to go and play with him and smile.

Enjoy andy! Sounds much more enjoyable. We’re so lucky to live in Oz.

So true, feel gratitude every day!

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soggydog Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:04am
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Soogy

U might think spending money on a tunnel an economic issue .

Not prioritising your children's basic needs , I think , is a moral one .

So is using the tunnels to hold and torture hostages .

I hope this is clear and U can see this important difference ,ffs !

I could be wrong , of course .

Shit .

And mate , U asked me a fn question .

I hope I fn cleared things up a bit for U .

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No need to reply as am grumpy .

edie 2

Are U Dan Andrews , soggy thinking imho , ( joking alert ) .

Hostages returned untortured, the moral issues surrounding the care of children. There houses have had thousands of tons of bombs on them, they’re locked up like hostages, they’re snipered and they’re terrified. And yet the military wing of the Israeli installed and funded “enemy” is not to have military installations exactly the same as the occupying military presence.

In your opinion.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:25am

soggy

Really NFI what U are trying to even SAY , what , I said or thought , really !

Here is MY opinion .

Please don't ASSUME U know what I am fn thinking !!

REALLY .

Definitely DON'T write anything claiming it is MY opinion .

I find that rude .

U can ONLY check and I will try and be clear .

As I politely , tried to do for U before .

I hope this is clear .

Please don't waste your time clarifying your last message .

I am not interested .

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I am SO fn opinionated , just check and I will give it .

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Soogy , please pop up soon 2 .

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soggydog Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:13am

Any way I’m got try and stay away too. The likes of Indo and RK get me a bit annoyed as their wilful ignorance and cheering the blood letting is pretty sick. A guy from Phillip Island who regards Palestinians as his “enemy” and anybody who presents a counter narrative is. Hamas “ Simp” and a “ traitor to the west” is clearly a very simple minded character. I should know better.

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soggydog Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:17am
Pop Down wrote:

soggy

Really NFI what U are trying to even SAY , really !

Here is MY opinion .

Please don't ASSUME U know what I am fn thinking !!

REALLY .

Definitely DON'T write anything claiming it is MY opinion .

I find that rude .

U can ONLY check and I will try and be clear .

As I politely , tried to do for U before .

I hope this is clear .

Please don't waste your time clarifying your last message .

I am not interested .

My point is, you’re just making shit up. Bit like Indo does. Let’s seek the truth. Be better.

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andy-mac Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:27am
Pop Down wrote:

good work goofy .

Please remember , if you do pop down , pop back up , quickly :)

I am the Worlds Best BAD reactor ( think nuclear ) to people , sometimes .

No regrets as always make a quick amends .

I am the Sorry King of the World imho .

hey Macca

I love any animal babies , especially a Puppy .

The puppy will enjoy training U .

Mine took about a month to have me jumping to her orders .

New Boss in town! :)

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Roadkill Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 10:44am
soggydog wrote:

Any way I’m got try and stay away too. The likes of Indo and RK get me a bit annoyed as their wilful ignorance and cheering the blood letting is pretty sick. A guy from Phillip Island who regards Palestinians as his “enemy” and anybody who presents a counter narrative is. Hamas “ Simp” and a “ traitor to the west” is clearly a very simple minded character. I should know better.

great story..from one of SN's greatest thinker's.

100% crap tho...no one here cheers bloodletting. ...love the victim card you carry.

be a man of your word..and stay away.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 11:02am

Soogy

I really try and give my honest views on everything .

Often my views , I consider , my gut feelings but are really guesses .

I have no fn doubt that some of my guesses ARE shit .

But I like to learn - Plato said " I grow in learning as I grow in age " .

I said above , quite clearly , I thought your view on economics and morality regarding building tunnels , full of SHIT .

I stand by that view .

If U disagree and think my view on this issue shit , I am very happy to politely debate it with U , whenever U pop back up .

Maybe there is something else U think I have MADE up , please let me know !

Plato stuff .

I also have a vivid imagination ( Mullum stuff ) .

So re U view , be better .

Get fucked lol ( nicely ) .

Thats MY view .

Not popping down as don't have a puppy to play with .

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Have been going to Magiclands as my preferred beach .

The most beautiful beach in Victoria .

I chat ( too much ) to any person at the beach AND in the water .

Have chatted to so many locals in the water .

All were very friendly and welcomed Me .

Phillip Island , like most places in Oz , has really good people .

This thread ( and social media ) brings out the worst in me .

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I hate bosses so will pop down to .

edit macca

I even apologise Before and after nukeing someone ( some people NEED to get a good telling off , sometimes ( me included ) imo) .

It works , at least they listen lol for a few seconds at least haha .

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adam12 Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 11:16am

Just had a quick look thru today's posts.
My apologies to all because I've been posting some of that disturbing vision.
Yesterdays one did have a warning, that's why I chose it, there are many even more disturbing that I have seen and wouldn't post here. I've tried to show more people talking than the killing.
When certain posters here start telling me that the IDF and Israeli war cabinet are "moral" and try to avoid civilian casualties then I feel the need to provide some proof, not opinion, of how much bullshit that is. Don't really understand why I need to fight a fight that seems pointless here, but when I see something that pisses me off and I believe is wrong I react, always been my way, hasn't been wise on many occasions in the real world, but that's me. My mother tried her whole life to temper that in me, and did, but it's there and I am who I am.
I've tried to provide a bit of "balance" to those posts by putting up a few funny (well I thought they were funny) ones, but that's probably not helping either. I can't promise that if those posters keep putting out bullshit I won't react the same way, but I will take on board those thoughts I read above if I do.
Anyway for @goofyfoot . I reckon this is you

The next few days are "rubber hits the road" time. The World Court are about to start hearing the South African genocide case against the Israelis and others involved.
We are about to find out what the World Court's got, what humanity's got, to deal with twenty first century genocide.
Perhaps one of the most important hearings since The Nuremberg Trials seventy odd years ago.
Let's see.

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Hiccups Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 11:53am
adam12 wrote:

When certain posters here start telling me that the IDF and Israeli war cabinet are "moral" and try to avoid civilian casualties then I feel the need to provide some proof, not opinion, of how much bullshit that is.

The fact that anyone could assert this is insane. Kudos to you for fighting the good fight.

adam12 wrote:

I've tried to provide a bit of "balance" to those posts by putting up a few funny (well I thought they were funny) ones, but that's probably not helping either.

I thought they were funny.

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 12:19pm

Some regular posters on this thread have had the empathy to create their own ceasefire with an interesting and funny clip .

Gosh , I applauded it immediately .

Other posters also thought it a good idea , but took it too far but THIS is place to do it .

It , possibly , shows a disgust for the thread .

To business .

The IDF's goal had been to smash Hamas .

For them to say they deliberately AVOID civilian casualties is just an Oxymoron .

U can't do one and DO the other .

Thats why Hamas hide in Gaza .

The IDF has not TARGETED only Palestinian civilians to exterminate a Race of People .

No fn way , or I have missed something HUGE !

They should not be accused of Genocide in ANY court , anywhere .

A disclaimer

I am NO lawyer .

I defined MY view of what genocide is , I hope clearly .

IF there are any other definitions being used , please help me and give a bit of detail . I hate wasting time asking questions about definitions ( sacked a lawyer ( family court ) for doing it ) .

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 12:25pm

“ Some regular posters on this thread …. “

None more regular than you of late popwomble ….

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 12:28pm

“ … My life got better when I realised I didn't have to be nice. Nice got me ran over, stressed out, & disrespected. Im not nice. I'm a good person.
there's a difference.…”

That’s it Adam, it’s dirty down there with the bottom feeders but sometimes you/we have to get dirty

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 12:36pm

lol

Even my typing ( and right ( pointer!!!) finger ) is getting trigger happy .

I might be going rogue ?

Sorry for taking up more space :)

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 12:52pm

hey smiley

I know , u are so right with me popwombling all over the place atm .

I really try to bloody ignore it but seem to have stuck myself , like a fn BLOB ( I described myself as a blob on Facebook yesterday ) .

I am struggling with retirement lol ( sitting on my bum too much still on a fn screen ie what I have done for 40 years ) .

Where should this Old poppycockwombly bloke go surfing next week .

Time I fucked off :)

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I will say , unfortunately , I haven't had time to reply to a few people on other threads .

There are some people ( eg TBB ) that should be read much more closely than my messages .

Abraham Trumps Jihad .

I do like this simple message though .

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smiley , got your message and will drive to Sydney :)

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 1:33pm

“ …. smiley , got your message and will drive to Sydney :)“

Huh, must have been oldmate not me, inside Somers Creek has been firing all summer and the Cortez banks likewise but you need a boat, best you go a keep infowomble company over on the island

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Roadkill Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 1:35pm
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Roadkill wrote:

I’m thinking of moving to the botany nerds ahoy thread..and start randomly posting YouTube and talking about Israel/Hamas.

You guys bring your stuff here, I might take what interests me over there. Or, I might just copy what you guys post and repost it in that thread.

What you all think?

Or. Let’s keep topic threads for what they are.

Roadkill. You’re an adult. Do what you want.

Why do you need to tell us what the fuck you are doing ?

Would you like me to write a note for your teacher ?

Fair dinkum..AW

Fair Dinkum...would be a great name for a plant, or a bush, or a shrub, or tree, don't you think?

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Pop Down Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 1:52pm

Smiley

Ok - I love a challenge .

I will organise the boat .

Cortez I will try , IF I survive the North Shore .

U can show me how U surf it .

I will get towed OUT and IN !!!

I was joking about u giving me the idea about going to Sydney , sorry , me being unclear ,

As I just chatted to U , I thought perhaps , u were involved , weird eh lol .

I won't tell anyone , but U are on here at lot to , maybe ?

I am quite new .

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GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Jan 2024 at 2:04pm

Eyes rolling backwards, sssssh, not the Nth Shore but the banks that run next to the sharky shipping channel, no not the heads either, jeeebus if I give you any more info the Tugger Bros will have a cam on it by week’s end!!!

As I said you and everyone else should head for the island to keep infowomble company he loves it