The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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stunet started the topic in Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:45am

Because the world would be a better place if leaders only listened to Swellnet commenters, we've created a forum that makes it easy for them to gather our thoughts.

Today's shit talk is tomorrow's policy.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:35am

One thing in this ME war has made me very happy and shows me the ME , will move towards Peace .

Like a wonderful Strong Dam , the Abraham Accords have NOT been breached !!!

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Touching wood !

Hamas , and Iran , are distraught .

This proverbial Line in the Sand has NOT been crossed by a SINGLE signatory .

The worm has really turned , even when tested , it is not turning BACK !

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Thanks smiley :)

The nice clips are great on this thread imho !!!

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 9:41am

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:00am

Soggybiscuit…so good, thanks bro…for confirming you have zero ability to actually think.

Comparing 2 things that have nothing in common.

Gotcha.

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:14am

same same
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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:20am
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Soggybiscuit…so good, thanks bro…for confirming you have zero ability to actually think.

Comparing 2 things that have nothing in common.

Gotcha.

What? Military bunkers under civilian populations built with foreign aid have nothing in common? And I’ve got the problem with critical thought?

We’ll I guess that was the tone of my post.
Problems with critical thought.

Yourself, info and Opti have a bit in common though eh’?

Edit: Good to see that you do identify as a cockwomble though. No ambiguity in knowing who I was addressing.

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seeds Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 10:44am

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:17am

With the Abraham Accords holding ( atm ) , most of the Arab world have changed sides .

Truely AMAZING and wonderful imho .

THEY are now isolating ( cutting OFF funding ) the , what THEY consider now , Rogue States .

States that will NOT stand the test of time , in their opinion !!!

They have said to Iran , Qatar etc ." We have had enough . We want peace . We can live with Jews ".

We have decided , We can't live ( fight ) with U anymore .

The Iranians want to keep fighting the Israeli'e Eagle until its Extinct .

The Smart Arab countries ( that are becoming more powerful every day ) , disagree .

The World of Main Stream Media and Social Media , haven't changed sides , yet .

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Smiley , seems U are well dug in and have deep trenches .

The Saudi's used to be to .

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I am on the sidelines , but I am going to cheer so loudly for that great little worm of peace , that had the strength and courage to TURN , and rise and lift itself , in a time of horrible War .

She is MY underdog !!!

Go U good thing !

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:03am

Optiwomble is hoping for a this any day now

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seeds Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:12am

Guy, Is that from obscurist vinyl? They do some funny stuff.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:17am

I’m thinking of moving to the botany nerds ahoy thread..and start randomly posting YouTube and talking about Israel/Hamas.

You guys bring your stuff here, I might take what interests me over there. Or, I might just copy what you guys post and repost it in that thread.

What you all think?

Or. Let’s keep topic threads for what they are.

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seeds Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:18am

Go for it. It’s a meaningless forum on a surf forecasting site.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:19am

Meaningless to you, seeds. But those that are in the thread for interest might not appreciate it?

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:53am

Roady

I agree with you .

However , this thread is different imho .

It has been an ongoing battle .

For ME , having it broken up , with some Nicer stuff like animals and plants , is Great .

U are right , the Planty are planting a few ( nice ) bombs of their own .

A SN , self appointed sabotage squad ( I love it ) .

They are all over the place on here and other threads haha lol .

In War , STUFF ( shit ) flies everywhere and distracts Good conversation .

Not ONE person will mention the Abraham Accords either .

Its OK , imo .

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This is Social Media and we ( SN ) creates the rules of engagement ie Everyone can put up their view .

So cool .

If I really want to tell someone I know and important thing , I have to know they are listening .

Face to face chat , for me , works best .

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I don't know what U mean and have seen all the shit .

I will let the Arabs and Jews do the fighting .

As I said , MOST have stopped .

U have True grit !

seeds

Please mate , any view on the Abraham Accords and what the Arabs have signed Up for ?

Have a look , maybe . U are smart .

It's hardly ever mentioned and I think is the Biggest treaty since WW2 .

Important stuff can be so hard to find , for my old eyes .

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:43am
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Guy, Is that from obscurist vinyl? They do some funny stuff.

Funny but sad in a pathos sort of way

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seeds Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 11:45am

These mean nothing to Israel Pop.
I posted this a while back but at 57 minutes long no one watched it. It’s easier to believe Israel/ US than this. Israel white ants every agreement.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 12:05pm

The Abraham Accords holding IS the best and biggest , news in World foreign affairs for 50 years imho.

It's not mentioned on this thread ( my eyes are poor ) .

Amazing !

Everyone else has their OWN views on ME Peace .

The Arabs and Jews signed a "Blood Treaty" .

This important line in the sand has had NOT one crossing .

Letting the people with Real Skin in the game sort out THEIR disagreements are ALWAYS the lasting agreements .

I will let them sort out this fn mess as they are on the right path imho .

Interesting reading on what the Players have committed to .

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To summarise - Peace !

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seeds Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 12:40pm

The Arab State signees are not that happy

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 12:47pm

90% of the population in the Middle East….don’t really want peace. So you won’t ever get peace.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 12:54pm

seeds

No one is happy .

As I said , the Arab States are not happy with Iran and Qatar either .

Nearly everyone wants Peace .

I mentioned above this is NOW ( proven to me ) a Blood Treaty .

It's in the Power of just ONE name .

Abraham !!!

Somehow , all the States that signed , agree to sign under THAT name .

NONE of the signatories stuff with Abraham !

NOT one has crossed a Line in the Sand !

That's the ONE name that could UNITE them .

It was Saladin ( I think ) , that united Arabs under ONE name .

What is truely amazing , is that Abraham out Trumps Jihad !

It's just fn Brilliant imho .

God Stuff !

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 1:27pm
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This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 1:28pm

The US has been sending the wrong guy (Blinken). There's only one man with the "contacts", real world and divine, ready willing and able to get the job done.....

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 1:31pm

.....or maybe this one, posing with the new election winning look...

...or maybe with a softer look....

maybe this one might work too


but the obvious choice would be these two

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GuySmiley Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:34pm

Quality Adam

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:44pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

It’s under the city of Tel-Aviv.
It’s only your speculation and rationalisation that makes a military bunker in Gaza different from a military bunker in Tel-Aviv. They’re both there for the same reason, they’re both concrete and steel, they’re both in city’s, they’re both underground, they both house people who work for military. They’re both not for civilians ( your point), If targeted because of there location civilians will be harmed. Same Same is all I’m pointing out.

At the moment you are jumping for joy using all the above equal metrics to justify attacking a civilian population by deliberately mis representing something that both sides use, as evil when regarding one side by using hyperbole and speculation when discussing it? Get it? How is one side more pernicious for doing exactly the same thing?

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:45pm

"Not ONE person will mention the Abraham Accords either."

you know why don't you pops?

not just here, but in the wider media...

especially....

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:47pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

Indo, he will continue to ignore facts. Understanding basic things is not a strong point. It is just a biased refusal to learn anything.

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:53pm
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One thing in this ME war has made me very happy and shows me the ME , will move towards Peace .

Like a wonderful Strong Dam , the Abraham Accords have NOT been breached !!!

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Touching wood !

Hamas , and Iran , are distraught .

This proverbial Line in the Sand has NOT been crossed by a SINGLE signatory .

The worm has really turned , even when tested , it is not turning BACK !

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Thanks smiley :)

The nice clips are great on this thread imho !!!

I hope you are right pops...

Hamas must be feeling so hung out to dry right now, not just by the muslim world, but especially iran...

they were sold a lemon... a lie...

I loathe to use this term... but it's almost like the smart muslim countries have adopted a more 'progressive' view...

saudi qater, uae, etc. have modernised their economies and outlooks big time. even planning beyond petro-dollars...

its like 'the clash of civilisations' could be over, for rich muslims...

unfortunatly the poor and down trodden are still living in the 'harris' headspace

(and will continue to provide bodies for the rich jihadis - and their stealth like 'aid')

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 2:56pm

on an another note...

(or possibly the same one)

rumours flowing china is getting antsy - like weeks long antsy...

hope not

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:01pm

sypkan

I reckon the Media are NOT experts in World Foreign Policy .

Most would NOT know about the Accord or the significance of the name it is signed under .

Most would have NFI who Abraham was .

So easy to forget about a little line in the sand .

So easy to think EVERY treaty in the ME fails .

They wouldn't be watching the fn line .

ALL the Players who count in the ME , NEVER take their eyes of this Scared Line in the Sand .

The Treaty and Accord has not been breeched under the BIGGEST test .

I don't care what the media think .

I just think Abraham Trumping Jihad is fn Brilliant and WILL work .

I have hope , again , and it feels great .

Fuck the media ( who trusts them anyway ) .

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:08pm

Oh well, guess the fun's over, back to the grind...
This is for Top Dumb and his sidekick Goose to ponder, posted days ago, reinforcing old mate @soggydog's correct assessment

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:01pm
sypkan wrote:

on an another note...

(or possibly the same one)

rumours flowing china is getting antsy - like weeks long antsy...

hope not

China is no threat.

Xi has far more home problems to deal with. China might huff and puff and flex a bit, but in realty are zero threat.

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:02pm

and...

can't remember where and who...

but heard a few people of late saying muslim countries quietly want israel to take out hamas

Im sure they are disgraced by the destruction and slaughter... but seemingly not as much as your average lbgtq advocate...

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:04pm
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Oh well, guess the fun's over, back to the grind...
This is for Top Dumb and his sidekick Goose to ponder, posted days ago, reinforcing old mate @soggydogs correct assessment

https://twitter.com/Doggiesman/status/1743969009480176042

I didn’t think you were that stupid, adam. Obviously too much credit was given.

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soggydog Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:07pm
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indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

Indo, he will continue to ignore facts. Understanding basic things is not a strong point. It is just a biased refusal to learn anything.

Mate you don’t even know what “ things in common “ means. So best you pipe down and leave it to the adults eh’?

If you read my reply it was to remove bias. Both sides do the same things for the same reasons. Equally destructive in intent.

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:08pm
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:

on an another note...

(or possibly the same one)

rumours flowing china is getting antsy - like weeks long antsy...

hope not

China is no threat.

Xi has far more home problems to deal with. China might huff and puff and flex a bit, but in realty are zero threat.

reckon you're dreaming there... his 'home problems' are his main motivating factor...

and surrounding / isolating taiwan would suck up huge amount of US / ally resources...

isolating over invading would be their smart military move, they've already war gamed it

it would also slice up the world map even more... all that globalism / end of history terribly fake lip service would dry up overnight...

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:09pm

Adam 12

Apparently U are one of the Legal Guys on SN and post on this thread extremely often .

The Abraham Accord ?

As U would probably have studied it ( I haven't ) , any view of its potential as a Legal Document ?

As the only lawyer I have heard here , sorry to ask U a q , but fuck it . U may need something else to think about atm .

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:09pm

@Goose,
explain to me where I am being stupid, stupid.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:11pm
soggydog wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
soggydog wrote:

This one’s for the 3 cockwombles of the apocalypse.

Oh wow, the IDF uses bunkers too. Paid for with foreign aid. Under civilian populations. Like Bunkers and Human shields. But hey it’s the IDF. They’ll kill a few kids get some settlements happening , bomb a hospital and propagandise the same strategies they use to whip up the unintelligent and bigoted into condoning genocide. Boom Shaka, Job done again.

https://israelradar.com/war-room-insiders-look-at-new-idf-command-center/

Read both articles and nowhere does it say or indicate that bunkers are under civilian buildings.

There is zero comparison between IDF and Hamas the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Israel spends billions on protecting it's civilians with defence systems like the iron shield and there is bomb shelters everywhere and sirens to alert civilians, they even do silly deals favouring the other side to get civilian hostages back showing how much they value civilian life's

Meanwhile Hamas have spent 15 years on a strategy that puts civilian's between Hamas and the IDF, and whats worse is civilians cant even use tunnels to seek shelter in, because it would defy the whole point.

Hamas quite literally want civilians deaths, because they know there is lots of dumb arse people like you in the West that not only turn on Israel but start supporting Hamas

Anyhow Israel using civilians as human shields would be completely pointless , Hamas would jump for joy that they could kill both civilian's and military together.

Indo, he will continue to ignore facts. Understanding basic things is not a strong point. It is just a biased refusal to learn anything.

Mate you don’t even know what “ things in common “ means. So best you pipe down and leave it to the adults eh’?

If you read my reply it was to remove bias. Both sides do the same things for the same reasons. Equally destructive in intent.

Mate, you don’t even know what social media is…lol. And you announced it to everyone on social media that is SN and were too stupid to know.

Gawd..talk about embarrassing.

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:17pm

@Pop, if you keep on breaking our rules, asking me questions, and, giving me fucking homework, I'm gonna tell another @Pop story! Got a real good one in storage.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:27pm

Adam 12

It was a message for Adam 12 .

Pass it on please .

It was serious .

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Thanks Adam 12 . Gardening and contributing so much at the same time .

Ambidextrous !

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I posted above an Exec Summary .

One word - Peace !

It may help ?

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:20pm

@Pop, busy atm, gardening, just popped in. I am familiar with it, will need to have a think and do some more reading so I don't say something that's incorrect.
FFS.
I'll get back to you

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 3:50pm

As my eldest Daughter has just joined the Main Stream Media I should add I think there are some REAL stars in the Media .

The daily chatterboxs about stuff ( usually sensational and depressing ) like Carl Steffo whatever , are like Actors . I like him joking about .

Like Hollywood actors , they are not informed enough to share their opinions on important stuff .

I chat to everyone I meet ( especially babies ) but MOST of the information I need to form opinions on issues that really interest me , I read .

It's posted by people who know more about an issue than I do .

They are all journalists .

I WAY too often throw out views that are too ....General ?( wrong ) , perhaps .

Journalists , who report the Truth and care about people , are the bedrock of a free society .

As I have already stated " The Pen is mightier than the sword " .

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adam12 Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 4:06pm

@Pop, OK, quick break while I'm changing the fkn plastic shit cords on the whippa snippa that last about five minutes.
Haven't looked into it but if the question was "Is the Abraham Accord a legal document?"
Well yes, they are all "legal"documents, accords, pacts, treaties between nation States.
But International Law is not domestic law, it's not like they can all head off to the Supreme Court for a breach of contract.
More complicated than that, enforcement often depends on the willingness of the parties involved to follow them.
e.g. Hitler had the "Molotov-Ribbentrop" pact with Stalin in WW2, never intended to keep it, didn't, kept accepting Russian war materials and coal right up until the day he launched "Operation Barbarossa", Stalin shit himself when he realised his foolishness. The pact was a "legal" document, not worth the paper it was written on.
The truth was all in "Mien Kampf" but because it was the most boring book ever written, no one read it (maybe Churchill did).
So that's off the top of my head.
Dunno if I've answered what you were asking, but I've got about and acre of whippa snipping to do so, just quietly, CGAF.
Adios.

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Pop Down Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 4:53pm

No , it didn't , Adam 12 .

If U read what I wrote earlier , I called this Treaty a Blood Treaty .

Was hoping for detail of the Accords Validity , perhaps .

I mentioned its significance .

The name especially and how it makes this Legal Document more , perhaps , Binding .

It's bloody working so far .

This war is now , imho , between Iran ( Qatar ) and the Abraham Accord ?

Then, perhaps your thoughts on my comment .

"Its brilliant , Abraham will Trump Jihad ."

U know more about both legal and religion stuff , than I do ( am guessing ) , Adam 12 .

Maybe U can do some more thinking , IF , u think it is important .

As I said , I think the accord holding is the best Foreign Affairs story of the last 50 years .

I am probably , wrong and Popping Off and getting too excited , again .

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 6:02pm

what's so obvious to me about all this...

is the obama / biden administration got stuff so wrong... so so wrong...

and, whilst trump's middle east moves scared the shit out of me at the time...

history has shown, they kinda worked... both in terms of knocking terrorism on the head initially; and bringing at least a few years of relative peace...

basically, obama and co. backed the wrong terrorist organisations... ie. the muslim brotherhood and iran...

and trump backed the 'right' terrorist organisations.... the ones that could possibly be brought into a more progressive way of thinking...

I could go into how it seems it came down to a broken ideological thinking, that aimed to 'empower' muslims by talking and overly pc / hands off stance, ...cutting them free, and thus relinquishing them of any responsibilities, as obama, hilary, and co. naively funded the worst forces of the muslim world, believing they were doing the right thing...

and how hilary's closest advisor, huma aberdeen, was probably the worst person to be listening to at the time, as her brother is a leader in the muslim brotherhood...

but that would be in the realms of 'conspiracy theory' and 'right wing' nuttery...

and thus, would isolate people too much, and open me to all forms of triggered abuse...

so I won't go into that...

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sypkan Wednesday, 10 Jan 2024 at 6:04pm

:)