The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
The UN is the last place to get credible truth. They are a redundant corrupted toothless organisation.
Roadkill wrote:Indo..is comfortably living in the heads of so many. Lmao…fuck it’s hilarious to watch the spit fly as the crew type away in fury.
I’ll add that to the list…. RK is info’s nom-deplume
Great post adam12!!
Funny that Adam12 is happy to ignore all the “abusive and nasty” thrown at Indo by those that don’t agree with him…worse abuse than Indo ever gives.
You must have missed all that, Adam12? Or did you choose to ignore it as those throwing the abuse align with your thinking?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution...
Apparently it’s not about resources either.
GuySmiley wrote:I’ll add that to the list…. RK is info’s nom-deplume
been watching this theory of yours, and yesterday got 'idealism isn't realty (sic)' and '100%' from RK. hmm...
I sure hope not. Indonesian insights and sheer-volume aside, @indo's main 'quality' is his gormless honesty. He'd have to be pretty psychotic to have multiple online presences (after claiming he doesn't) that compliment each other.
basesix wrote:GuySmiley wrote:I’ll add that to the list…. RK is info’s nom-deplume
been watching this theory of yours, and yesterday got 'idealism isn't realty (sic)' and '100%' from RK. hmm...
I sure hope not. Indonesian insights and sheer-volume aside, @indo's main 'quality' is his gormless honesty. He'd have to be pretty psychotic to have multiple online presences (after claiming he doesn't) that compliment each other.
You guys are way too smart.
The secret is out. I am Indo.
Love that (sic)
Saying you’re Indo is giving yourself way too much credit dil. Even indos harshest critics would agree. There’s a big difference between indo’s civil explanations be it right or wrong and your nieve, triggering dumbass questions mate. Everyday you’re in conflict on here. Read the room.
Numb nuttz
soggydog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Bullshit you hate Jews you love Hamas, you are the biggest piece of trash ever, its just a pity hell doesn't exist for your to rot in.
You are and have been the only person on this thread that is an advocate of genocide. Presenting it as the only option, “The Final Solution”. Yet you accuse others of hate,
whilst you advocate the most extreme manifestation of hate.Most of what you have written is un-educated opinion. Which maybe similar to a lot of us the only difference being nobody else is calling for genocide. Just you.
What utter garbage only genocide ive called for is to destroy hamas and made it clear not just for Israel but also for the people of Gaza who deserve a government rather than a terrorist group that blows all its money on tunnels and rockets instead of spending it on things that benefit its people and then start wars that see their people suffer further and then hide behind them using them as pawns to get support from suckers like you.
You know the terrorist/jihadist group that you openly support and make all kinds of excuses for, the one that openly admits it wants to kill all jews from the river to the sea.
But hey apparently according to you our number two Swellnet Hamas simp, he thinks Hamas have totally changed because they changed their charter, you know the good honest people of Hamas, you know the ones that rape, and murder civilian's with glee and take bodies as trophies and the ones who kidnap anyone literally babies to elderly.
People like you claim Israel has been partaking in a genocide for years meanwhile the population of Palestine and Gaza has increased at an extremely high rate.
BTW pretty much everything i have written isn't really my personal opinion it's views ive taken from others like X military or military analysis much of what i posted in the last few days is just regurgitating from the Sam Harris, Douglas Murray podcast as was fresh in my mind.
This is genocide
This is not
Alana_a wrote:Saying you’re Indo is giving yourself way too much credit dil. Even indos harshest critics would agree. There’s a big difference between indo’s civil explanations be it right or wrong and your nieve, triggering dumbass questions mate. Everyday you’re in conflict on here. Read the room.
Was going to write something very similar, although I disagree with most of what @Indo posts as it seems ignorant in my personal view and just a rehash of fox/sky news talking points, at least he will make an argument and engage. Not just referring to this thread but all political ones on this site.
Ya never know he may have an epiphany one day and break free of the Murdoch sponsored crap he seems sprout.
Anyway hope you are all having a chilled Sunday arvo.
adam12 wrote:@Indo
Forced relocation of a civilian population is a crime against humanity and a war crime.
Labeling a civilian population "human shields" is not a defence to the war crime of targeting civilian populations, neighborhoods and hospitals.
Under customary International Law and Article 51 of the UN Charter the right of self defence by a State can be exercised when another State attacks it or it justifiably believes it is about to, after notification to the Security Council.
Whatever the IDF is doing in Gaza it is not an exercise of the right of self defence under International Law. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, Gaza is an occupied territory. Neither are States.
Israel is a full UN member but does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC, because it refuses to recognise Palestinian Statehood, thereby exposing the legal lie that it is acting in self defence at law.
It is defending itself for sure, but it's not legally doing it under the established rules of war.
Israel is currently in breach of 29 Security Council binding resolutions.
Like many States, they flout International Law and convention as it suits their national and domestic political interests. Their government, military and leadership are not the "good guys" you portray who do "good things" like drop relocation leaflets and give warnings before they bomb civilian neighborhoods. Telling someone you are about to commit a war crime on them is not a defence to the war crime committed.
There are no "good guys" in this conflict, other than the innocent civilians on both sides. None.
You mention the Nazis. Well Nazis were tried and hung at Nuremberg for actions similar to those being undertaken currently by the IDF in Gaza. Similar prosecutions took place at the Hague following the Kosovo War. Israel and the IDF get away with their crimes. Many others do too.
You have a habit of picking sides, mostly the wrong ones, pontificating a whole heap of ill informed right wing bullshit and then getting abusive and nasty with anyone who disagrees.
"Hamas loving simp"
He's a fucken' smart guy, Jellyboy. Articulate, informed, interesting and funny.
Everything you are not.
"Simp" seems to be the new word you discovered.
"Projection" should be the next.I'm out, this thread is toxic.
Oh great its our washed up law student turned painter.
Ive listened to many experts (the ones that went on to practice law and not paint houses) on this topic talking in depth on podcast etc and according to them that's not how the rules of war work, and as soon as a protected place is used for military purposes it loses its protective status, if it didn't then other armies would be tempted to do exactly what Hamas is doing and use these places as protection knowing they cant be legally hit.
Although that said pretty much all armies care about their people unlike Hamas, so would find it very hard to go that low just incase the attacking force doesn't abide by the rules of war.
The IDF actually have a team of legal experts that for major targets have to gain a certain amount of evidence for a target to be given the green light to be hit, I know this because i listened to one of them interviewed talking about it all.
BTW. Seeing Hamas has created a whole network of tunnels under pretty much all of Gaza for the military purposes and they don't even allow civilians to seek shelter in these tunnels, id expect any place with a tunnel under it looses protection status.
indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:@Indo
Forced relocation of a civilian population is a crime against humanity and a war crime.
Labeling a civilian population "human shields" is not a defence to the war crime of targeting civilian populations, neighborhoods and hospitals.
Under customary International Law and Article 51 of the UN Charter the right of self defence by a State can be exercised when another State attacks it or it justifiably believes it is about to, after notification to the Security Council.
Whatever the IDF is doing in Gaza it is not an exercise of the right of self defence under International Law. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, Gaza is an occupied territory. Neither are States.
Israel is a full UN member but does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC, because it refuses to recognise Palestinian Statehood, thereby exposing the legal lie that it is acting in self defence at law.
It is defending itself for sure, but it's not legally doing it under the established rules of war.
Israel is currently in breach of 29 Security Council binding resolutions.
Like many States, they flout International Law and convention as it suits their national and domestic political interests. Their government, military and leadership are not the "good guys" you portray who do "good things" like drop relocation leaflets and give warnings before they bomb civilian neighborhoods. Telling someone you are about to commit a war crime on them is not a defence to the war crime committed.
There are no "good guys" in this conflict, other than the innocent civilians on both sides. None.
You mention the Nazis. Well Nazis were tried and hung at Nuremberg for actions similar to those being undertaken currently by the IDF in Gaza. Similar prosecutions took place at the Hague following the Kosovo War. Israel and the IDF get away with their crimes. Many others do too.
You have a habit of picking sides, mostly the wrong ones, pontificating a whole heap of ill informed right wing bullshit and then getting abusive and nasty with anyone who disagrees.
"Hamas loving simp"
He's a fucken' smart guy, Jellyboy. Articulate, informed, interesting and funny.
Everything you are not.
"Simp" seems to be the new word you discovered.
"Projection" should be the next.I'm out, this thread is toxic.
Oh great its our washed up law student turned painter.
Ive listened to many experts (the ones that went on to practice law and niot paint houses) on this topic talking in depth on podcast etc and according to them thats not how rules of war work, as soon as any protected place is used for military purposes it loses its protective status, if it didnt then armies other would do exactly what Hamas is doing and use these places as protection knowing they cant be legally hit.
The IDF actually have a team of legal experts that for major targets have to gain a certain amount of evidence for a target to be given the green the green light to be hit, I know this because i listened to one of them interviewed talking about it all.
BTW. Seeing Hamas has created a whole network of tunnels under pretty much all of Gaza for the military purposes and they don't even allow civilians to seek shelter in these tunnels, id expect any place with a tunnel under it looses protection status.
A month old but reckon she knows a thing or 2 regarding international law.
Puts the pathetic so called Australian journalists in their place....
https://m.
&pp=ygUhQWJjIG5hdGlvbmFsIHByZXNzIGNsdWIgQWxiYW5lc2Ug basesix wrote:GuySmiley wrote:I’ll add that to the list…. RK is info’s nom-deplume
been watching this theory of yours, and yesterday got 'idealism isn't realty (sic)' and '100%' from RK. hmm...
I sure hope not. Indonesian insights and sheer-volume aside, @indo's main 'quality' is his gormless honesty. He'd have to be pretty psychotic to have multiple online presences (after claiming he doesn't) that compliment each other.
Ha ha this is actually funny.
Lets be real my spelling, grammar, sentence construction is terrible as ive said before i no doubt am on the autistic spectrum in some way.
If i created a second profile which i have zero desire to do so, the only way i could get away with it would be to just post memes and videos and maybe the odd one liner, otherwise id get busted the first day.
andy-mac wrote:Alana_a wrote:Saying you’re Indo is giving yourself way too much credit dil. Even indos harshest critics would agree. There’s a big difference between indo’s civil explanations be it right or wrong and your nieve, triggering dumbass questions mate. Everyday you’re in conflict on here. Read the room.
Was going to write something very similar, although I disagree with most of what @Indo posts as it seems ignorant in my personal view and just a rehash of fox/sky news talking points, at least he will make an argument and engage. Not just referring to this thread but all political ones on this site.
Ya never know he may have an epiphany one day and break free of the Murdoch sponsored crap he seems sprout.
Anyway hope you are all having a chilled Sunday arvo.
Andybutbutbut….comes in and comments, then will cry the thread that he contributes to is toxic…then pulls the victim card…then leaves for a few days…then rinse and repeat. Funny
Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Alana_a wrote:Saying you’re Indo is giving yourself way too much credit dil. Even indos harshest critics would agree. There’s a big difference between indo’s civil explanations be it right or wrong and your nieve, triggering dumbass questions mate. Everyday you’re in conflict on here. Read the room.
Was going to write something very similar, although I disagree with most of what @Indo posts as it seems ignorant in my personal view and just a rehash of fox/sky news talking points, at least he will make an argument and engage. Not just referring to this thread but all political ones on this site.
Ya never know he may have an epiphany one day and break free of the Murdoch sponsored crap he seems sprout.
Anyway hope you are all having a chilled Sunday arvo.Andybutbutbut….comes in and comments, then will cry the thread that he contributes to is toxic…then pulls the victim card…then leaves for a few days…then rinse and repeat. Funny
Yeah nice try buddy!
andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Alana_a wrote:Saying you’re Indo is giving yourself way too much credit dil. Even indos harshest critics would agree. There’s a big difference between indo’s civil explanations be it right or wrong and your nieve, triggering dumbass questions mate. Everyday you’re in conflict on here. Read the room.
Was going to write something very similar, although I disagree with most of what @Indo posts as it seems ignorant in my personal view and just a rehash of fox/sky news talking points, at least he will make an argument and engage. Not just referring to this thread but all political ones on this site.
Ya never know he may have an epiphany one day and break free of the Murdoch sponsored crap he seems sprout.
Anyway hope you are all having a chilled Sunday arvo.Andybutbutbut….comes in and comments, then will cry the thread that he contributes to is toxic…then pulls the victim card…then leaves for a few days…then rinse and repeat. Funny
Yeah nice try buddy!
100% true, but but but
indo-dreaming wrote:Ha ha this is actually funny.
Lets be real my spelling, grammar, sentence construction is terrible as ive said before i no doubt am on the autistic spectrum in some way.
If i created a second profile which i have zero desire to do so, the only way i could get away with it would be to just post memes and videos and maybe the odd one liner, otherwise id get busted the first day.
haha : ) your self-awareness is defs on the rise @indo, (as I hope we all are getting slowly better at communicating in a shared space @thermalben has described as 0% focus/revenue, 95% of the headaches - that's on all of us), and glad talking with RK yesterday wasn't a waste of time. You're not admitting to being @greenroom in the above statement, I hope? ; )
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Bullshit you hate Jews you love Hamas, you are the biggest piece of trash ever, its just a pity hell doesn't exist for your to rot in.
You are and have been the only person on this thread that is an advocate of genocide. Presenting it as the only option, “The Final Solution”. Yet you accuse others of hate,
whilst you advocate the most extreme manifestation of hate.Most of what you have written is un-educated opinion. Which maybe similar to a lot of us the only difference being nobody else is calling for genocide. Just you.
What utter garbage only genocide ive called for is to destroy hamas and made it clear not just for Israel but also for the people of Gaza who deserve a government rather than a terrorist group that blows all its money on tunnels and rockets instead of spending it on things that benefit its people and then start wars that see their people suffer further and then hide behind them using them as pawns to get support from suckers like you.
You know the terrorist/jihadist group that you openly support and make all kinds of excuses for, the one that openly admits it wants to kill all jews from the river to the sea.
But hey apparently according to you our number two Swellnet Hamas simp, he thinks Hamas have totally changed because they changed their charter, you know the good honest people of Hamas, you know the ones that rape, and murder civilian's with glee and take bodies as trophies and the ones who kidnap anyone literally babies to elderly.
People like you claim Israel has been partaking in a genocide for years meanwhile the population of Palestine and Gaza has increased at an extremely high rate.
BTW pretty much everything i have written isn't really my personal opinion it's views ive taken from others like X military or military analysis much of what i posted in the last few days is just regurgitating from the Sam Harris, Douglas Murray podcast as was fresh in my mind.
This is genocide
This is not
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/20/day-of-rage-erupts-accross...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-pal...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/three-year-old-palestinian...
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:@Indo
Forced relocation of a civilian population is a crime against humanity and a war crime.
Labeling a civilian population "human shields" is not a defence to the war crime of targeting civilian populations, neighborhoods and hospitals.
Under customary International Law and Article 51 of the UN Charter the right of self defence by a State can be exercised when another State attacks it or it justifiably believes it is about to, after notification to the Security Council.
Whatever the IDF is doing in Gaza it is not an exercise of the right of self defence under International Law. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, Gaza is an occupied territory. Neither are States.
Israel is a full UN member but does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC, because it refuses to recognise Palestinian Statehood, thereby exposing the legal lie that it is acting in self defence at law.
It is defending itself for sure, but it's not legally doing it under the established rules of war.
Israel is currently in breach of 29 Security Council binding resolutions.
Like many States, they flout International Law and convention as it suits their national and domestic political interests. Their government, military and leadership are not the "good guys" you portray who do "good things" like drop relocation leaflets and give warnings before they bomb civilian neighborhoods. Telling someone you are about to commit a war crime on them is not a defence to the war crime committed.
There are no "good guys" in this conflict, other than the innocent civilians on both sides. None.
You mention the Nazis. Well Nazis were tried and hung at Nuremberg for actions similar to those being undertaken currently by the IDF in Gaza. Similar prosecutions took place at the Hague following the Kosovo War. Israel and the IDF get away with their crimes. Many others do too.
You have a habit of picking sides, mostly the wrong ones, pontificating a whole heap of ill informed right wing bullshit and then getting abusive and nasty with anyone who disagrees.
"Hamas loving simp"
He's a fucken' smart guy, Jellyboy. Articulate, informed, interesting and funny.
Everything you are not.
"Simp" seems to be the new word you discovered.
"Projection" should be the next.I'm out, this thread is toxic.
Oh great its our washed up law student turned painter.
Ive listened to many experts (the ones that went on to practice law and niot paint houses) on this topic talking in depth on podcast etc and according to them thats not how rules of war work, as soon as any protected place is used for military purposes it loses its protective status, if it didnt then armies other would do exactly what Hamas is doing and use these places as protection knowing they cant be legally hit.
The IDF actually have a team of legal experts that for major targets have to gain a certain amount of evidence for a target to be given the green the green light to be hit, I know this because i listened to one of them interviewed talking about it all.
BTW. Seeing Hamas has created a whole network of tunnels under pretty much all of Gaza for the military purposes and they don't even allow civilians to seek shelter in these tunnels, id expect any place with a tunnel under it looses protection status.
A month old but reckon she knows a thing or 2 regarding international law.
Puts the pathetic so called Australian journalists in their place....https://m.
&pp=ygUhQWJjIG5hdGlvbmFsIHByZXNzIGNsdWIgQWxiYW5lc2Ug
Oh god im sorry i cant watch this, if it was under 5 minutes i could have a go, but everything i saw of this women the other month made my blood boil she is disgusting and clearly pro Palestine anti Israel anti Jew
Honestly out of everybody ive seen since 7th October in media/videos etc she is the one i cant stand just everything about her just grinds me even her voice, i have no problem listening to Hamas leaders because i know they are scum but her, how the fuck is she on the UN???
BTW. the video is clearly not about Gaza anyway as its not been under occupation since 2005.
basesix wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Ha ha this is actually funny.
Lets be real my spelling, grammar, sentence construction is terrible as ive said before i no doubt am on the autistic spectrum in some way.
If i created a second profile which i have zero desire to do so, the only way i could get away with it would be to just post memes and videos and maybe the odd one liner, otherwise id get busted the first day.
haha : ) your self-awareness is defs on the rise @indo, (as I hope we all are getting slowly better at communicating in a shared space @thermalben has described as 0% focus/revenue, 95% of the headaches - that's on all of us), and glad talking with RK yesterday wasn't a waste of time. You're not admitting to being @greenroom in the above statement, I hope? ; )
Im not Green room, im just Indo thats it and thats the only profile i will ever use here,.
I thought everyone was thinking Green room was GSCO, which wouldn't surprise me because while i like them both i think GSCO kind of pushed the whole socialist thing too much so a rebirth makes sense.
Im just an everyday knock about Aussie tradie, those two are much more academic than me.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:@Indo
Forced relocation of a civilian population is a crime against humanity and a war crime.
Labeling a civilian population "human shields" is not a defence to the war crime of targeting civilian populations, neighborhoods and hospitals.
Under customary International Law and Article 51 of the UN Charter the right of self defence by a State can be exercised when another State attacks it or it justifiably believes it is about to, after notification to the Security Council.
Whatever the IDF is doing in Gaza it is not an exercise of the right of self defence under International Law. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, Gaza is an occupied territory. Neither are States.
Israel is a full UN member but does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC, because it refuses to recognise Palestinian Statehood, thereby exposing the legal lie that it is acting in self defence at law.
It is defending itself for sure, but it's not legally doing it under the established rules of war.
Israel is currently in breach of 29 Security Council binding resolutions.
Like many States, they flout International Law and convention as it suits their national and domestic political interests. Their government, military and leadership are not the "good guys" you portray who do "good things" like drop relocation leaflets and give warnings before they bomb civilian neighborhoods. Telling someone you are about to commit a war crime on them is not a defence to the war crime committed.
There are no "good guys" in this conflict, other than the innocent civilians on both sides. None.
You mention the Nazis. Well Nazis were tried and hung at Nuremberg for actions similar to those being undertaken currently by the IDF in Gaza. Similar prosecutions took place at the Hague following the Kosovo War. Israel and the IDF get away with their crimes. Many others do too.
You have a habit of picking sides, mostly the wrong ones, pontificating a whole heap of ill informed right wing bullshit and then getting abusive and nasty with anyone who disagrees.
"Hamas loving simp"
He's a fucken' smart guy, Jellyboy. Articulate, informed, interesting and funny.
Everything you are not.
"Simp" seems to be the new word you discovered.
"Projection" should be the next.I'm out, this thread is toxic.
Oh great its our washed up law student turned painter.
Ive listened to many experts (the ones that went on to practice law and niot paint houses) on this topic talking in depth on podcast etc and according to them thats not how rules of war work, as soon as any protected place is used for military purposes it loses its protective status, if it didnt then armies other would do exactly what Hamas is doing and use these places as protection knowing they cant be legally hit.
The IDF actually have a team of legal experts that for major targets have to gain a certain amount of evidence for a target to be given the green the green light to be hit, I know this because i listened to one of them interviewed talking about it all.
BTW. Seeing Hamas has created a whole network of tunnels under pretty much all of Gaza for the military purposes and they don't even allow civilians to seek shelter in these tunnels, id expect any place with a tunnel under it looses protection status.
A month old but reckon she knows a thing or 2 regarding international law.
Puts the pathetic so called Australian journalists in their place....https://m.
&pp=ygUhQWJjIG5hdGlvbmFsIHByZXNzIGNsdWIgQWxiYW5lc2UgOh god im sorry i cant watch this, if it was under 5 minutes i could have a go, but everything i saw of this women the other month made my blood boil she is disgusting and clearly pro Palestine anti Israel anti Jew
Honestly out of everybody ive seen since 7th October in media/videos etc she is the one i cant stand just everything about her just grinds me even her voice, i have no problem listening to Hamas leaders because i know they are scum but her, how the fuck is she on the UN???
BTW. the video is clearly not about Gaza anyway as its not been under occupation since 2005.
First thing you said is you cannot watch it. Then claim you know what she is saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
She does not offer any opinion, only how things stand under international law.
Can disagree with the law, but not how she reads it as it is....
yep @indo, once seppo version of gsco couldn't resist saying he had an interest in real estate, had been 'monitering' this site for two years, *finally* mentioned marxism, described FNP>ME lefty conspiracies, and had a personal vendetta shitlist, based on people who had *dared* to criticise him, rather than based on their opinions, the jig was up. That dude is so into 'naming names'. Hilarious.
I don't want to defend israel, because personally I think everything they are doing is just a bit of a recruitment drive for more of the things that feed terrorism and all things anti israel...
but maybe, just possibly... their strategy is the lesser of two evils...
ie. they need to do something... and their 'strategy' seems to be to bomb the fuck out of the place - hard and fast...
expose hamas and all their infrastructure, then move onto a more intelligence driven targeted strategy, focussing on hamas leadership
the next few weeks will reveal if this is actually the case or not...
I say it is the lesser of two evils, as maybe 2 months or so of intensive assault is better than engaging in a long drawn out conflict that lasts years and years and possibly kills more civilians
Breaking 🚨 Woah.
— Kosher🎗🧡 (@koshercockney) December 10, 2023
During an interview with Shin Bet
Yosef (Hamid) Almansi - former Minister of Comms for Hamas working under Ismail Haniyeh - explains that Hamas took Gaza back 200 years, they cannot live, the people do not like Yahya Sinwa.
He explains that the people of Gaza… pic.twitter.com/wSM8SZsmSz
you're dreaming...
gsco ain't greenroom
It seems its finally happening, this to me makes total sense, no civilians in the tunnels and it will ruin the tunnels and hopefully make areas collapse and ruin everything they have in them ammo etc and get Hamas all above ground where they can be hunted down.
The only two issues are the kidnapped, but intel seems most have been moved South and they are of value so once that water starts rising they will move them out.
The other issue is risk of fucking up the ground water, so once this is over they better get that desal plant up running again.
Im surprised at how fast they say they could be filled i was thinking it would be months or even longer but only a few weeks, of course not all tunnel networks may be connected though.
Indo is getting a chubby!
Link from a beautiful Israeli singer/ musician. Playing for Change.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/tulabenari/3259630725698617846?utm_sou...
"All of this suggests two straightforward recommendations for anyone who wants to stay informed and politically engaged about this war: Don’t get your news from social media, and don’t focus your activism on social media".
https://theconversation.com/war-in-gaza-an-ethicist-explains-why-you-sho...
Quite a good video for CNN
This one tunnel is crazy the money, time & labor put into that thing is crazy, all for what?...imagine if for the last 18 years all that money & energy wasted on tunnels and rockets had been put into positive thing's, its just madness their own government quite literally is their worst enemy and set them back decades.
The sooner they start going for the Hamas finances the better. That money should be gotten back to the Palestinians and used to rebuild Gaza.
I wonder if that is possible?
Listened to this today at work on Spotify, it's actually not just about Israel but talks about the USA giving Iran money too, pretty crazy especially seeing Iran fund and support Hamas.
Iran might have their focus elsewhere. Imagine the people dancing? Must stop that asap….might be time for a quick crackdown and some stern finger waving from the Imams.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/viral-dance-trend-frustrates-le...
indo-dreaming wrote:I wonder if that is possible?
Listened to this today at work on Spotify, it's actually not just about Israel but talks about the USA giving Iran money too, pretty crazy especially seeing Iran fund and support Hamas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKsaxSlZP3w
@Indo-Dreaming.
Only a day or two ago, you’re falling off a dunny in Bali and cracking your nut open.
Then you confess you are just a basic everyday Aussie tradie hard at work.
Today, you’re telling us all you are listening to more dribble on Spotify whilst at work.
Are you having a full lend of us ? Do you actually surf ?
Do you have more than one moniker/pseudonym on this forum ?
If the answer is yes, well, you’ve gotta be the man for all seasons. How lucky your wife must feel ?
Give us break Indo. AW
AlfredWallace wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:I wonder if that is possible?
Listened to this today at work on Spotify, it's actually not just about Israel but talks about the USA giving Iran money too, pretty crazy especially seeing Iran fund and support Hamas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKsaxSlZP3w
@Indo-Dreaming.
Only a day or two ago, you’re falling off a dunny in Bali and cracking your nut open.
Then you confess you are just a basic everyday Aussie tradie hard at work.
Today, you’re telling us all you are listening to more dribble on Spotify whilst at work.
Are you having a full lend of us ? Do you actually surf ?
Do you have more than one moniker/pseudonym on this forum ?
If the answer is yes, well, you’ve gotta be the man for all seasons. How lucky your wife must feel ?
Give us break Indo. AW
WTF are you on about and what the hell is up your arse today?
BTW. Sharing my experience with seeking medical help in Indo (Jakarta not Bali) was years ago.
Funny what people were doing a day ago.
AlfredWallace was whinging about how bad this thread was and how toxic it was…and he was not going to read it or come in here, yet, here he is today doing what he was criticising yesterday.
Give us a break, AW. Hypocrite.
Jeeze, that tunnel the IDF found is huge. Pretty sophisticated building going on there.
I think he thought Im spinning shit, thinking i was claiming to be in Indo and then in Aust working.
Re looking at the thread he read i can see how he could come to that conclusion i guess i poorly worded things in my comment/story in this thread
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/574413#comment-933724
Will file under misunderstanding and move on.
Good to see someone talking sense, and not just anyone but a former U.K. conservative party defence minister.
Former Tory party defence minister Ben Wallace said the following about Netanyahu and the Israeli government -
“If he thinks a killing rage will rectify matters, then he is very wrong. His methods will not solve the problem. In fact, I believe his tactics will fuel the conflict for another 50 years. His actions are radicalising Muslim youth across the globe.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/18/israel-killing-rage-fuel-c...
Roadkill wrote:Funny what people were doing a day ago.
AlfredWallace was whinging about how bad this thread was and how toxic it was…and he was not going to read it or come in here, yet, here he is today doing what he was criticising yesterday.
Give us a break, AW. Hypocrite.
Roadkill. It doesn’t take long , recurring theme, always works, never fails, vigilantes popping up like fungi. protecting their TOOLS of like minded folk, spew their spores all over the place hoping to infect their surroundings and simply return back to the detritus. Have a good day of pedalling more tripe ya twats. AW
AndyM wrote:Good to see someone talking sense, and not just anyone but a former U.K. conservative party defence minister.
Former Tory party defence minister Ben Wallace said the following about Netanyahu and the Israeli government -“If he thinks a killing rage will rectify matters, then he is very wrong. His methods will not solve the problem. In fact, I believe his tactics will fuel the conflict for another 50 years. His actions are radicalising Muslim youth across the globe.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/18/israel-killing-rage-fuel-c...
To be fair there is probably some truth in this if looking at things from a global level, you would imagine it would increase the risk of radical muslims carrying out terrorist attacks.
Its the same deal when the West gets involved in any middle eastern conflict, we acknowledged this here in the first week after 7th Oct in regard to increased possible risk in Indonesia for another bombing.
And we are already seeing it happen elsewhere.
"Suspected Hamas members arrested in Germany over alleged Europe terror plot"
https://amp.smh.com.au/world/europe/suspected-hamas-members-arrested-in-...
But no country acts purely in the interest of the rest of the world they act in the interest of their own country and what he is saying is not true for Israel, because while Hamas stay in power and stay strong, its a complete certainty that Israel will see more rockets fired at them for years too come and always be at the risk of another 7th of October attack and Hamas have said they would do it again if they can.
And there is no lack of radicalism of the young in Gaza or so called Palestine they are quite literally taught to hate Jews from a young age even in the eduction system.
Any country in Israel's position would do exactly the same thing as Israel is doing if they had the military capacity to do so, if it was the UK or USA in the same position the only difference would be they wouldn't have the same pressure or expectation to get things done in such a short period, they would take as long as they like.
And if it was a muslim country fighting a muslim country no matter how many civilians got killed it would barely get much coverage in the media or attention on social media etc
BTW. Much of what i just said are the views of former CIA agent Mike Baker from interview i posted above (and his other interviews like with Joe Rogan the other week), he spent approximately 15 years with the CIA working as a covert field operations officer specializing in counterterrorism, counternarcotics and counterinsurgency operations.
indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:Good to see someone talking sense, and not just anyone but a former U.K. conservative party defence minister.
Former Tory party defence minister Ben Wallace said the following about Netanyahu and the Israeli government -“If he thinks a killing rage will rectify matters, then he is very wrong. His methods will not solve the problem. In fact, I believe his tactics will fuel the conflict for another 50 years. His actions are radicalising Muslim youth across the globe.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/18/israel-killing-rage-fuel-c...
To be fair there is probably some truth in this if looking at things from a global level, you would imagine it would increase the risk of radical muslims carrying out terrorist attacks.
Its the same deal when the West gets involved in any middle eastern conflict, we acknowledged this here in the first week after 7th Oct in regard to increased possible risk in Indonesia for another bombing.
And we are already seeing it happen elsewhere.
"Suspected Hamas members arrested in Germany over alleged Europe terror plot"
https://amp.smh.com.au/world/europe/suspected-hamas-members-arrested-in-...But no country acts purely in the interest of the rest of the world they act in the interest of their own country and what he is saying is not true for Israel, because while Hamas stay in power and stay strong, its a complete certainty that Israel will see more rockets fired at them for years too come and always be at the risk of another 7th of October attack and Hamas have said they would do it again if they can.
And there is no lack of radicalism of the young in Gaza or so called Palestine they are quite literally taught to hate Jews from a young age even in the eduction system.
Any country in Israel's position would do exactly the same thing as Israel is doing if they had the military capacity to do so, if it was the UK or USA in the same position the only difference would be they wouldn't have the same pressure or expectation to get things done in such a short period, they would take as long as they like.
And if it was a muslim country fighting a muslim country no matter how many civilians got killed it would barely get much coverage in the media or attention on social media etc
BTW. Much of what i just said are the views of former CIA agent Mike Baker from interview i posted above (and his other interviews like with Joe Rogan the other week), he spent approximately 15 years with the CIA working as a covert field operations officer specializing in counterterrorism, counternarcotics and counterinsurgency operations.
Mike Baker
Indo did you read any of that article?
You seem to have missed the point entirely.
“Going after Hamas is legitimate; obliterating vast swathes of Gaza is not. Using proportionate force is legal, but collective punishment and forced movement of civilians is not.”
That’s the point.
Any country in Israel's position would NOT do exactly the same thing as Israel is doing.
Gday AndyM, I greatly admire your patience here, not sure thou with @indo saying above he is on the spectrum for autism (undiagnosed). Expecting @indo to accept what others are saying (including me) on this and any other issue where it doesn’t align with his views would be very difficult.
^^
Good post Andy.
AndyM wrote:Indo did you read any of that article?
You seem to have missed the point entirely.
“Going after Hamas is legitimate; obliterating vast swathes of Gaza is not. Using proportionate force is legal, but collective punishment and forced movement of civilians is not.”
That’s the point.
Any country in Israel's position would NOT do exactly the same thing as Israel is doing.
Ive listened to this been spoken about a number of times by those that understand it much better than us.
Proportionate force basically just means, is the military action justified to eliminate the threat, you can look at it as an overall thing or as in a case by case thing.
For instance in a normal war the enemy might have a military base, one that is away from a civilian area, the force needed to destroy this base and prevent its use might be say a guided missile attack by air that force would be in proposition, while obviously dropping a nuclear bomb wouldn't be justified and would be excessive force.
The problem here is Hamas and their military infrastructure is purposely riddled through where civilians live, a network of tunnels all through Gaza all built for military purposes (civilians cant even shelter in them), rockets stored and launched from pretty much anywhere and everywhere.
If Israel dont bomb tunnels, tunnel entrances, areas rockets are stored, areas rockets are made, areas where hamas bases and control centres are they dont eliminate Hamas and they dont eliminate the threat.
Every military expert I've listened too, say the only way to eliminate Hamas or severally weaken them is to do exactly what Israel is doing and done and in the exact stages they have done things, im pretty sure that FBI guy in the above video said the same.
BTW. They are also all saying in next few weeks they will most likely go into another stage of more targeted attacks (which is much risker for IDF casualty wise))
The only people that think there is some other magic way to take out Hamas and think other countries would do thing's differently are those who think they can also birth unicorns out their arse's.
So yeah Im beleving the majority of military experts instead and yes im sure you can probably find some military expert who disagrees, its 2023, no matter the topic there is always one opposing view
And if Israel hadn't gotten people to move south and created designated safety zones, that yes can change and instead just waged war on the North with civilians there, the civilian death toll would be much higher and you people would be going crazy claiming things like genocide and saying they could have at least got them to move South and targeted areas in stages
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