The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
Thank goodness, he’ll be able to water his goat herd in the West Bank from his humpy.
We didn’t stop bombing the Nazis which unfortunately included many good German people until they gave up.
We didn’t stop bombing the Japanese which unfortunately included many good Japanese people until they gave up.
This is the problem with war and the evil of it.
The good suffer from an evil corrupt war hungry leadership.
Which is why the people have to stand up and fight their own self appointed leaders to stop the infection in their own countries themselves.
Otherwise we end up with nazis, Hamas etc. etc.
It’s up to the people in each country to make sure their leaders don’t get out of control.
The Palestinians are another example of this and are suffering for it.
Their leaders constantly refuse a two state solution with Israel so there is only one.
They choose to kill the indigenous people of the land and take over with their new jihadi religion.
A people who were there well before even the Babylonian empire.
A people who taught the world about social structure , justice in law and freedom.
A people who will help anyone who asks them for help.
A now tiny nation in comparison to the era of king Solomon.
The truth is that NONE of us would agree to live under an Islamic leadership and if we are foolish in allowing this to fester in our own countries we are in trouble.
Aussie kids are out in the street chanting “ from the river to the sea” which is the jihadi call to wipe out Israel and they don’t even know what they are saying.
How can we be such a bunch of easily lead fools.
Our school teachers that are influencing this can you imagine them living under an islamic government.
They would be executed in 5 minutes and yet they support Hamas, a movement worse than the worst of the Nazis.
Cowardice in a society to stand up against what is evil just to satisfy a minority that have infiltrated your community is how a society collapses into darkness and civil war.
Even in Australia , if all the Islamic people vote for one jihadi believer person as a voting block he or she can get into our parliament and influence our nations outcome.
Multiply this out and you have a real problem.
The belief systems between Islam and the rest of the world are not compatible and therefore should be separated, then everyone can mind their own business and get on with their own lives and run their own countries under their own belief systems.
Stand up for what you truly believe or it will be taken from you.
War is hell, but there are those who thrive on it and they need to be contained.
No shit Sherlock! No one here supports Hamas.
southernraw wrote:Agreed @basesix.
Good bloke,
Very clearly.
@basesix and @southernraw
Thanks for the kind words fellas.
Much appreciated and reciprocated. :)
seeds wrote:Here’s a question…
Does Israel have the right, for decades, to run an oppressive apartheid regime with all the violent illegal land acquisition and accompanying human rights violations?That’ll lead to peace for sure.
I’m just dumbfounded by some here calling Israel our western brothers or whatever. They are nothing like any modern western nation.
Jelly can I borrow an elephant clip?
It’s not apartheid.
Social media has a lot to answer for. Bring back MSM.
seedy idiot dude, that's total BS. You're a complete fool.
Some folks in here have been spewing non-stop tweets, vids and news articles for the past couple of months claiming all kinds of things:
- the Hamas terror attack is all on Israel and fair payback
- it wasn't a terror hit but a 'well-planned military op' that unexpectedly hit civilians
- terrorism is just a label the West slaps on Hamas in the West's own info war game, yet in reality Hamas is just a bunch of regular law-abiding folks fighting to free its peeps of Israeli apartheid
- Netanyahu and his gov are far-right fascist war criminals currently intentionally bombing innocent Palestinians on a mindless revenge filled rampage
- Hamas are heroic freedom fighters with the interests of ordinary Palestinians at heart
- Arab Muslims are the OG indigenous peeps of the area, while Israeli Jews are illegal colonial apartheid settler occupier invaders who've been indiscriminately offing innocent Palestinians for decades in a 'violent illegal land acquisition' game
- and so on...
All this is precisely the Hamas info war and propaganda machine in action, man.
If you keep pushing this narrative, you're siding with Hamas, making you a terrorist sympathizer, committing treason.
green room wrote:seedy idiot dude, that's total BS. You're a complete fool.
Some folks in here have been spewing non-stop tweets, vids and news articles for the past couple of months claiming all kinds of things:
- the Hamas terror attack is all on Israel and fair payback
- it wasn't a terror hit but a 'well-planned military op' that unexpectedly hit civilians
- terrorism is just a label the West slaps on Hamas in the West's own info war game, yet in reality Hamas is just a bunch of regular law-abiding folks fighting to free its peeps of Israeli apartheid
- Netanyahu and his gov are far-right fascist war criminals currently intentionally bombing innocent Palestinians on a mindless revenge filled rampage
- Hamas are heroic freedom fighters with the interests of ordinary Palestinians at heart
- Arab Muslims are the OG indigenous peeps of the area, while Israeli Jews are illegal colonial apartheid settler occupier invaders who've been indiscriminately offing innocent Palestinians for decades in a 'violent illegal land acquisition' game
- and so on...All this is precisely the Hamas info war and propaganda machine in action, man.
If you keep pushing this narrative, you're siding with Hamas, making you a terrorist sympathizer, committing treason.
Green -room. Nobody here supports any war.
Seeds is no fool, you just highlighted who is.
Now who’s the elephant in the room.Give us a break pal. AW
seeds wrote:Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:It’s getting near to Andybutbutbut pulling the victim card…he hates being given the truth.
Who's truth?
Yours?
No victim here mate, just not seeing situation as you are with ya narrative derived from the propaganda of Murdoch etc.... You always seem to want to make it personal on an anonymous website and not take on the issue with debate, just abuse.
I've been referred to as a toxic slimy cunt by some pretend seppo here, but I endeavour to only stick to topic, will attack ideas but not person. Andybutbutbut...
Fark how many deaths are you ok with even if you can lay blame on Hamas???
Are you in denial of what is really taking place?Bingo..victim card and making it personal.
The hypocrisy is outstanding as always.
Haha ok...
How many deaths are you ok with then?
Israel has right to defend itself yabayabayaba... ...
Mmm Hamas bad okkkky...
Troll.....Every death is 1 too many. I would be happy with zero deaths.
Does Israel have the right to defend itself?
Of course it does!
Here’s a question…
Does Israel have the right, for decades, to run an oppressive apartheid regime with all the violent illegal land acquisition and accompanying human rights violations?That’ll lead to peace for sure.
I’m just dumbfounded by some here calling Israel our western brothers or whatever. They are nothing like any modern western nation.
Jelly can I borrow an elephant clip?
Andybutbutbut, Does a Palestinian have the same ability as you and me to know right from wrong?
Or does their history give them the rights to now commit murder and terror and not have to face consequences?
They can defend themselves but,
I don’t support Hamas but,
I want peace but,
I condemn Hamas terrorist attack but,
AW, no disrespect, but Jelly Flater, seeds, andy-mac, many others, have been spreading Hamas' info war narrative for over two months. That makes them more than just foolish. Are you joining that crew too?
green room wrote:AW, no disrespect, but Jelly Flater, seeds, andy-mac, many others, have been spreading Hamas' info war narrative for over two months. That makes them more than just foolish. Are you joining that crew too?
Green room Are you calling me foolish ? AW
“I’m just dumbfounded by some here calling Israel our western brothers or whatever. They are nothing like any modern western nation.”
However, they are much much much much more like modern western nations than Hamas and Palestinians. Their morals, their laws, their desired futures, their treatment of woman and children, their love for family.
Your dumbfoundedness is way of track.
seeds wrote:Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:It’s getting near to Andybutbutbut pulling the victim card…he hates being given the truth.
Who's truth?
Yours?
No victim here mate, just not seeing situation as you are with ya narrative derived from the propaganda of Murdoch etc.... You always seem to want to make it personal on an anonymous website and not take on the issue with debate, just abuse.
I've been referred to as a toxic slimy cunt by some pretend seppo here, but I endeavour to only stick to topic, will attack ideas but not person. Andybutbutbut...
Fark how many deaths are you ok with even if you can lay blame on Hamas???
Are you in denial of what is really taking place?Bingo..victim card and making it personal.
The hypocrisy is outstanding as always.
Haha ok...
How many deaths are you ok with then?
Israel has right to defend itself yabayabayaba... ...
Mmm Hamas bad okkkky...
Troll.....Every death is 1 too many. I would be happy with zero deaths.
Does Israel have the right to defend itself?
Of course it does!
Here’s a question…
Does Israel have the right, for decades, to run an oppressive apartheid regime with all the violent illegal land acquisition and accompanying human rights violations?That’ll lead to peace for sure.
I’m just dumbfounded by some here calling Israel our western brothers or whatever. They are nothing like any modern western nation.
Jelly can I borrow an elephant clip?
This war is about Gaza, which was given to Palestine in 2005 in a peace plan. (and historically for a long time controlled by Egypt)
The deal was they got the land in return for peace, Israel even agreed to supply energy and water for a certain period until they got self sufficient.
Not long after the new elected government Hamas started firing rockets at Israel breaking the peace plan, this then meant Israel and even Egypt blockaded their borders.
Although Israel was silly enough to continue to supply water and energy even allowing thousands to work in Israel (and was set to increase this year or next), sadly many became informant to Hamas telling them who was the head of communities etc to take them out first on 7th October.
I mean seriously Israel isn't perfect but you choose to support those who's values and ideals are the complete opposite of everything we all believe in in the West, because Israel isn't up to the standard of Australia, that is just an insane view point.
Israel democracy is not perfect but its still by far the closet thing to a democracy in the middle east and in the past even listed better than USA both flawed democracies
Meanwhile Gaza for instance is not democratic it hasn't had an election since 2005 and only had that election because of Israel and even when Hamas won in 2005 Hamas slaughtered much of the opposition.
Israel is by far the most progressive society in the middle east with one of the highest mix of religions and ethnic groups in the middle east, is their issues 100% but the narrative you guys swallow from anti Israel propaganda is not the whole picture, by all means be critical of things/disputes over land in the West bank, but keep it separate from Gaza issue that is a completely different issue.
In regard to measure of things things like how other minority groups are treated or right's, in much of the middle east you will be in jail or even killed for being gay or LGBTQI in Israel its generally not an issue and is a haven in the middle easy for these groups they even have a LGBTQI parade like in Sydney.
Not at all my thing and im critical of the whole ridiculous gender crap of today, but when it comes to sexuality people of consenting age should be open to practice what they like.
In regard to women's rights, its no secret how most countries in the middle east treat and see women, Israel isn't perfect but its 1000 times better and more progressive than elsewhere in the middle east, and as ive pointed out many times now even in the IDF women play an important role.
Thirty-four percent of those serving in the IDF are women, including 23% of all officers. Ninety-two percent of the IDF's jobs are open to women.
In regard to apartheid regime claims, its a ridiculous claim, but i doubt you will ever agree. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4343950
In regard to Netanyahu i agree he needs to go he has become damaging to Israel in many ways and has already been in power a combined 16 years.
Ideally two things need to happen Hamas needs to go and Netanyahu needs to go.
Just another angle
Probably closer to the truth of the reasons for continuing conflict. Maybe.
soggydog wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C00CMB2iYx7/?igshid=NTM1NmNjNWFlNw==
Just another angle
More uneducated propaganda, almost as stupid as you believing Hamas have changed their ways and no longer want to kill all Jews from the river to the sea because they updated their charter for obvious PR reasons.
Firstly the Gas has been known about long before Israel handed over Gaza, if they wanted the small percentage of gas there they wouldn't have handed Gaza over in the first place.
"Gas at stake in Gaza?
Why this theory doesn't hold true
On social media, Israel has been accused of bombing the enclave to seize an offshore gas field. This geostrategic interpretation is far from reality."
https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1357621/gas-at-stake-in-gaza-why...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/16/labors-policy-shi...
""Any liberal humanist values all innocent life. Any sensible person wants to de-escalate a mass casualty conflict where civilians are caught in the firing line. Rather than sanctioning any response on any terms, any sentient ally, any true friend of Israel, should also wonder what the endgame of this conflict is. Rather than barracking for revenge, or rubber stamping whatever it takes, perhaps ask constructive questions. Is it possible for Israel to solve its Hamas problem militarily? What is the human cost of a military response? Is that human cost acceptable if achieving the strategic objective is fundamentally uncertain?""
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C00CMB2iYx7/?igshid=NTM1NmNjNWFlNw==
Just another angle
More uneducated propaganda, almost as stupid as you believing Hamas have changed their ways and no longer want to kill all Jews from the river to the sea because they updated their charter for obvious PR reasons.
Firstly the Gas has been known about long before Israel handed over Gaza, if they wanted the small percentage of gas there they wouldn't have handed Gaza over in the first place.
"Gas at stake in Gaza?
Why this theory doesn't hold true
On social media, Israel has been accused of bombing the enclave to seize an offshore gas field. This geostrategic interpretation is far from reality."
https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1357621/gas-at-stake-in-gaza-why...
Research how Isreal with help of Cheney and the British gained control of the Golan Heights. Who won the contracts to extract the gas, which countries benefited and who’s borders the Golan Heights originally fell within.
Given this History, the link I posted is probably closer to the truth than any of your musings. And someone wants to bandy about accusations of propaganda influence and poor education. Look in the mirror Indo.
Most of us a just calling for the end to civilian deaths on a mass scale. Not you though.
- ‘ War is hell, but there are those who thrive on it and they need to be contained. ‘ ……hmmmmmmmm ;)
8:06 mark of vid:
“The application of power is the most important thing in winning the war on terrorism. The more victories you amass, the easier the next victory becomes. The first victory in Afghanistan makes the second victory in Iraq that much easier. The second victory in Iraq will make the third victory that much easier too.”
Benjamin Netanyahu insisted that the United States did not need approval from the international community to wage war on Iraq.
So… according to the statements above by netanyahu in his address to the US congress in the late 90’s - the US should invade countries in the middle east and enact regime change in order to GUARANTEE the safety of the region and to uphold peace and stability ;);)
Anyone here care to address the farkn almighty elephant stampede ? ;);)
- anyone care to address the ‘victories’ that supposedly would occur and how each ‘victory’ will be easier and easier ? Is there any truth to this BS ? Coz this is utter BS. And anyone still wanna pretend there is actual support for Hamas here ? There is zero support. Farkn zilch ;)
And pointing out the BS and warmongering rhetoric and actions of Israel and the US is treason ? Haha… treachery ? Hahaha ;);) Just for the confused farkwits like gr, the dill and co…. Critiquing US foreign policy and the words and actions of bibi don’t amount to support for Hamas. Give that up dickheads ;);)
Carefully examine and listen to the BS from netanyahu about iraq and ‘weapons of mass destruction’ etc… consider his ‘guarantee’ of how regime change and military interventions will be of a benefit to the region ;);)
- any proof ? Any concrete results to back up the BS or has it been proven to be BS ? Were those predictions correct or manufactured lies ?
…was there a ‘victory’ in Afghanistan ? Haha ;)
- was there a ‘victory’ in Iraq ? ;);)
Define victory… is it the body count ? The clandestine theft of oil ? Do you guys realise the very first act in Iraq was the taking of the oil fields ? ;);)
Can the farkn numbnuts here evoking the value and merits of all these supposedly necessary conflicts inspired by netanyahu’s false and inflammatory fantasies really defend the reality of the track record ?
- from Iraq and Afghanistan there is a body count of over 100’s of thousands of civilians and innocent noncombatants and no actual enhanced security, stability or peace in the region. The very opposite of what was promised has occurred. Facts.
Nothing occurred other than the destruction of a country and the rise of Islamic extremism as a direct result of an illegal invasion and occupation. Facts. Military intervention failed. Facts again ;)
Are the US or Israel responsible or accountable for their errors ? The war in Iraq was deemed an illegal war. The wmds were part of a structured effort of deceit and fear mongering propaganda that enabled a war on a false premise. It was all lies. This is proven, it cannot be disputed ;)
(The wmds are in the animated subterranean central command centre under the hospital haha)
…and for anyone questioning or defending so called democracy. Pls explain and communicate where democracy is at play with what is happening in Gaza ;);)
I’ve repeatedly asked why ppl are choosing to ignore the violations of international law taking place in order to achieve the genocide we are witnessing. Is it similar to when bibi said the US does not need the approval of the international community to wage war on Iraq ? ;);)
It’s the same playbook. Same methodology. Same madman pulling the strings and trying to say something yet doing something else. Anyone with a brain can’t defend anything bibi is doing now, let alone anything he presented and sold to the US war machine with regard to Iraq/ Afghanistan.
To expect that the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians will achieve a lasting peace and provide any solution is both absolutely absurd and completely false. To pretend what is occurring now as being a necessity is no different to claiming that the end of Saddam will eliminate the ‘threat’. It’s just more BS.
So keep flying ya flags of murder as justice and keep kidding ya selves on how this will create a constructive or positive outcome. It’s the perfect example of insanity by doing the same thing over and expecting a different result.
…. then AND now ;);)
?si=M-x1SNYb31BkdRcv- and to listen to and consider the words and reasoning of @andymac is a gift compared to the crazy paranoid rambling lies of a corrupt dictator like bibi. For anyone trying to defend Israeli ‘justice’ you are endorsing occupation, apartheid, conscription and zionist ideology. (Not exactly accurate representations of so called modern western democracy)
;);)
- anyone care to comment on the statements at 1:05 mark ?
Anyone supporting the idf massacre doesn’t understand that the mindset on display below is the dominant flavour of the hasbara soup ;);)
Hooray for moderates !!
- void of logic, reason and truth.
Steeped in mythical superstition and religious fantasy ;)
- the perfect ingredient of division, dishonesty and guaranteed conflict.
… the antithesis and absolute counterpoint to peace, stability and respect.
?si=LBlkkdu1BOrHT_Xk Jelly Flater wrote:- ‘ War is hell, but there are those who thrive on it and they need to be contained. ‘ ……hmmmmmmmm ;)
8:06 mark of vid:
“The application of power is the most important thing in winning the war on terrorism. The more victories you amass, the easier the next victory becomes. The first victory in Afghanistan makes the second victory in Iraq that much easier. The second victory in Iraq will make the third victory that much easier too.”
Benjamin Netanyahu insisted that the United States did not need approval from the international community to wage war on Iraq.
So… according to the statements above by netanyahu in his address to the US congress in the late 90’s - the US should invade countries in the middle east and enact regime change in order to GUARANTEE the safety of the region and to uphold peace and stability ;);)
Anyone here care to address the farkn almighty elephant stampede ? ;);)
- anyone care to address the ‘victories’ that supposedly would occur and how each ‘victory’ will be easier and easier ? Is there any truth to this BS ? Coz this is utter BS. And anyone still wanna pretend there is actual support for Hamas here ? There is zero support. Farkn zilch ;)
And pointing out the BS and warmongering rhetoric and actions of Israel and the US is treason ? Haha… treachery ? Hahaha ;);) Just for the confused farkwits like gr, the dill and co…. Critiquing US foreign policy and the words and actions of bibi don’t amount to support for Hamas. Give that up dickheads ;);)
Carefully examine and listen to the BS from netanyahu about iraq and ‘weapons of mass destruction’ etc… consider his ‘guarantee’ of how regime change and military interventions will be of a benefit to the region ;);)
- any proof ? Any concrete results to back up the BS or has it been proven to be BS ? Were those predictions correct or manufactured lies ?…was there a ‘victory’ in Afghanistan ? Haha ;)
- was there a ‘victory’ in Iraq ? ;);)Define victory… is it the body count ? The clandestine theft of oil ? Do you guys realise the very first act in Iraq was the taking of the oil fields ? ;);)
Can the farkn numbnuts here evoking the value and merits of all these supposedly necessary conflicts inspired by netanyahu’s false and inflammatory fantasies really defend the reality of the track record ?
- from Iraq and Afghanistan there is a body count of over 100’s of thousands of civilians and innocent noncombatants and no actual enhanced security, stability or peace in the region. The very opposite of what was promised has occurred. Facts.Nothing occurred other than the destruction of a country and the rise of Islamic extremism as a direct result of an illegal invasion and occupation. Facts. Military intervention failed. Facts again ;)
Are the US or Israel responsible or accountable for their errors ? The war in Iraq was deemed an illegal war. The wmds were part of a structured effort of deceit and fear mongering propaganda that enabled a war on a false premise. It was all lies. This is proven, it cannot be disputed ;)
(The wmds are in the animated subterranean central command centre under the hospital haha)
…and for anyone questioning or defending so called democracy. Pls explain and communicate where democracy is at play with what is happening in Gaza ;);)
I’ve repeatedly asked why ppl are choosing to ignore the violations of international law taking place in order to achieve the genocide we are witnessing. Is it similar to when bibi said the US does not need the approval of the international community to wage war on Iraq ? ;);)
It’s the same playbook. Same methodology. Same madman pulling the strings and trying to say something yet doing something else. Anyone with a brain can’t defend anything bibi is doing now, let alone anything he presented and sold to the US war machine with regard to Iraq/ Afghanistan.
To expect that the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians will achieve a lasting peace and provide any solution is both absolutely absurd and completely false. To pretend what is occurring now as being a necessity is no different to claiming that the end of Saddam will eliminate the ‘threat’. It’s just more BS.
So keep flying ya flags of murder as justice and keep kidding ya selves on how this will create a constructive or positive outcome. It’s the perfect example of insanity by doing the same thing over and expecting a different result.
…. then AND now ;);)
https://youtu.be/rVPauUOVrmk?si=M-x1SNYb31BkdRcv
- and to listen to and consider the words and reasoning of @andymac is a gift compared to the crazy paranoid rambling lies of a corrupt dictator like bibi. For anyone trying to defend Israeli ‘justice’ you are endorsing occupation, apartheid, conscription and zionist ideology. (Not exactly accurate representations of so called modern western democracy)
Rambling verbosity.
Yo, Jelly, you're deep in the rabbit hole of anti-West conspiracy theories, man. You're echoing Chinese, Russian, and Iranian info war propaganda, like a good little comrade.
Bro, you think every global event is some kinda US conspiracy.
You're not doing well, man, you're sick and need some help.
Haha ;)
- another turd dill ‘contribution’
…amounting to ….ummm …nothing ;);)
- it’s no wonder you struggled to comprehend and can’t offer any answers.
…with your head still up ya arse ;);)
- your taste for hummus is insatiable.
https://m.
&pp=ygUOZWxlcGhhbnQgZnVubnk%3D Haha ;)
Enjoy your genocide gr
- bibi is a goodie haha ;);)
… ‘victory’ ;);)
https://m.
I think the yanks use to call this "friendly fire"...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-16/israel-kills-hostages-mistakenly-...
Explain that to their family. But it's the Palestinians fault.
green room wrote:Yo, Jelly, you're deep in the rabbit hole of anti-West conspiracy theories, man. You're echoing Chinese, Russian, and Iranian info war propaganda, like a good little comrade.
Bro, you think every global event is some kinda US conspiracy.
You're not doing well, man, you're sick and need some help.
Green room. Well hello, the little turtle has finally poked ya head out of your shell where you’ve been hiding since I asked you a question way earlier this morning of which you still have not answered.
You’ve now come out of the bushes after retreating for cover and of on rant.
You are young, I can tell.
I’ll pleasantly remind you the USA have been at war for 222 years out of their 239 years of existence. They love a war, it drives their economies if you haven’t noticed.
I’d say what Jelly has posted is way more accurate than your ‘dude vernacular’ you spruke which you’ve garnered from that crap language of ‘cool, bro, dude’ etc. that exists in that nation.
Look at Australia, we are a carbon of the USA and getting worse.
And yes, another reminder, all this posting by all , are just opinions , like arseholes, we’ve all got one, yours slightly bigger than most. AW
Great post @jellyflater.
That's a hall of famer right there.
Inarguable facts...which is why no one is willing to argue with them.
Good on you mate.
Standing up for humans and their suffering deserves huge props.
green room wrote:Yo, Jelly, you're deep in the rabbit hole of anti-West conspiracy theories, man. You're echoing Chinese, Russian, and Iranian info war propaganda, like a good little comrade.
Bro, you think every global event is some kinda US conspiracy.
You're not doing well, man, you're sick and need some help.
Green room.
Back to basics. School Lesson No.1 We will start with wars you may know of.
1. Vietnam War. Can you please tell us all the REAL reason the USA were involved in that war where a ridiculous amount of lives were taken away from families, both American, Australian and Vietnamese ? (hint nothing to do with Viet Con)
2. Afghanistan War. What was the main reason for the USA being involved in a war in that region ?
I understand you may need some help with first question, please watch video below. 20million people have watched and the guy Bill Earhart explains it all in 15mins.
Very powerful and clear insight there by Mr Earhart, AW. I once worked with a former scientist of a so called evil empire, and was over having tea with her and hubby, who had been in one of the first special forces units to go into Afghanistan in 1979. Dinner was stopped as at that exact time, the US was going into Afghanistan post September 11. Hubby just looked at the TV and shook his head and sadly laughed, looked over at me and I knew exactly why.
velocityjohnno wrote:Very powerful and clear insight there by Mr Earhart, AW. I once worked with a former scientist of a so called evil empire, and was over having tea with her and hubby, who had been in one of the first special forces units to go into Afghanistan in 1979. Dinner was stopped as at that exact time, the US was going into Afghanistan post September 11. Hubby just looked at the TV and shook his head and sadly laughed, looked over at me and I knew exactly why.
Vj. Hi. Hope you and your family are well.
Bill Earhart came back and was one of the most loved teachers at high school and colleges. History was one of his favourites for students. I’ve watched and listened to many of them talk about this guy as one of the greatest teachers they’d ever had in all their scholastic years, he new them all, as apparent in this interview, he’s a great wordsmith and teller of history.
I watch it at least 2-3 times per year to remind of the idiocy of war.
As usual been following all your great discussions of late, I always find them educational and rewarding. Best wishes to yours for Xmas/NY.
And yes, I can only imagine the thought going through your male friends mind that night, oh no, here we go again. AW
Earhart :)
I have checked out another Earhart , maybe they are related .
Amelia , really knew how to fly !
If not related , I would bet my house (edit lol I forgot I sold my house ) that , Bill has checked her out and liked her to .
Good mums and teacher's are wonderful :)
Edit
My youngest daughter has a Christian name that starts with A .
I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
Roadkill wrote:I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
Breaking it down to absolutes does not do justice to the bigger picture Roady.
southernraw wrote:Roadkill wrote:I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
Breaking it down to absolutes does not do justice to the bigger picture Roady.
You want Israel to stop, they listen and stop.
What would happen? It’s a pretty simple question…you use absolutes all the time yet now, you are using it as excuse not to answer.
I'd actually be more interested in you addressing some of the key points in JFs post above which deals in alot of historical facts...that got us to this point.
Anyway, i'm not gonna take the bait on your question, as i've explained already it's futile to deal in absolutes.
What i can tell you is that if israel don't withdraw, Palestinians civilians will be trapped within 4 walls and bombed to buggery, if Israel do withdraw, Palestinian civilians will be trapped within 4 walls.
You asked the question a couple of days ago 'does Israel have the right to defend itself'.
I would question does Israel have adequate defence against Hamas? Are they lacking anything that would stop them defending themselves (apart from accidentally leaving the gate unattended..)
And to use a terrible analogy, but if you have a fox in the henhouse, do you take to the henhouse with a machine gun to take out the fox, or do you use the fact you have the fox contained, hence time on your side to act more smartly thus saving the lives of many innocent chickens!! (i know, shit analogy)
southernraw wrote:I'd actually be more interested in you addressing some of the key points in JFs post above which deals in alot of historical facts...that got us to this point.
Anyway, i'm not gonna take the bait on your question, as i've explained already it's futile to deal in absolutes.
What i can tell you is that if israel don't withdraw, Palestinians civilians will be trapped within 4 walls and bombed to buggery, if Israel do withdraw, Palestinian civilians will be trapped within 4 walls.
You asked the question a couple of days ago 'does Israel have the right to defend itself'.
I would question does Israel have adequate defence against Hamas? Are they lacking anything that would stop them defending themselves (apart from accidentally leaving the gate unattended..)
Too hard to answer? You want a ceasefire, I’m just asking what you think would happen. It’s not bait…it’s a genuine question.
I don’t read jellybrain’s posts.
If you read between the lines Roady, you'll see i've answered it quite simply for you.
Also you'd possibly learn alot from that post by J.F above.
As it seems SN is a mini warzone, how can we ever achieve peace without finding common ground to build from.
And how could we ever expect whole nations to do it if we first can't do it ourselves.
Anyway, enjoy your Saturday. That's all i got Roady.
southernraw wrote:If you read between the lines Roady, you'll see i've answered it quite simply for you.
Also you'd possibly learn alot from that post by J.F above.
As it seems SN is a mini warzone, how can we ever achieve peace without finding common ground to build from.
And how could we ever expect whole nations to do it if we first can't do it ourselves.
Anyway, enjoy your Saturday. That's all i got Roady.
To find common ground we discuss, then we can build, thus I am asking a simple question and you refuse to answer.
You talk about discussion and listening to other opinions yet just refuse to actually do it.
All good, move on, have a great afternoon.
Huh!? Hang on a sec...My fox in the henhouse was brilliant discussion!!
How come you're saying i refuse to discuss.
I gave my opinion, which you've completely ignored.
Simplified. One side is contained in a box. The baddies.
The other side has every defence system neccesary to defend itself. The goodies! (yes they have the right to defend themselves)
So what would change? Nothing for the goodies! They have the upperhand. Always have!
Absolutely eh. Lifes so simple in absolutes.
Anyway, cheers. Will do Roady.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
southernraw wrote:And to use a terrible analogy, but if you have a fox in the henhouse, do you take to the henhouse with a machine gun to take out the fox, or do you use the fact you have the fox contained, hence time on your side to act more smartly thus saving the lives of many innocent chickens!! (i know, shit analogy)
I've got a better analogy:
hahahaha. Ahhh gosh a good crackup there VJ
Cheers for the laugh.
Roadkill wrote:I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
…. and which borders are you talking about? The’67 border? or any of the many other borders created after land was stolen from the Palestinians ever since?
More nonsense from you, existing borders will never be accepted by the Palestinians and the Zionists will never accept giving back what they have stolen.
GuySmiley wrote:Roadkill wrote:I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
…. and which borders are you talking about? The’67 border? or any of the many other borders created after land was stolen from the Palestinians ever since?
More nonsense from you, existing borders will never be accepted by the Palestinians and the Zionists will never accept giving back what they have stolen.
That’s the way, Guy.
Thanks for the input.
So much for discussion. Just avoidance and obfuscation.
velocityjohnno wrote:Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Well done, VJ. Best to ignore who really deals in absolutes.
some contextual analysis:
One of the boys with the rocket launcher is Israel outside Gaza
The alien is Hamas, within the house which is Gaza
Firing the RPG sets chaos in play
Dirrick running in with a chainsaw is Israeli intervention in Gaza
The rocket goes past both alien and Dirrick
and hits the sheep which represents the everyday civilians of both sides, the collateral damage
The alien kicking Dirrick in the nuts so his neck hits the lintel and then running off is extremism surviving to fight another day
Roadkill wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Well done, VJ. Best to ignore who really deals in absolutes.
I'd been itching to throw that line in any thread... as stated before I can't see a solution, notwithstanding as a governed nation Israel is more similar to our democracies and permits both freedom of expression and societal debate through a parliament...
I noticed the absolutes accusation was thrown both ways and the ambiguity seemed the right cover for it...
OK what would I do? Um draw a reverse letter 'L' from Gaza along the southern border then up the eastern border with Jordan to join up to the West Bank and that is Palestine, it's a lot of desert and that sucks but it's a country and the farmers keep the West Bank and get some of their original land (which sucks as something they hate remains on a lot of this land) . Israel keeps all else and lunatics sign a treaty that they will never attack Israel again (which we know they won't keep the promise). For Israel this would be unacceptable as of loss of land and the port of Eilat on the Red Sea - so I can't see them going along with my plan.
It would all last until the next bit of agitation.
With regard to what's happening in western nations, their universities and city centres, we would recognise that as we bring in many people who are steeped in this hatred, we are going to have more and more problems related to it. How to make sure everyone gets along? It seems as intractable a problem as the ME conflicts themselves.
Roadkill wrote:southernraw wrote:Roadkill wrote:I would love someone to tell me what they think would happen if Israel pulled all their forces out of Gaza now, in 2 hrs there will be zero Israel IDF in Gaza. There will be no more air attacks. There will be no more rocket attacks. Israel pulls up sticks and go back within their borders.
What would happen? Anyone care to have a crack at the answer?
Breaking it down to absolutes does not do justice to the bigger picture Roady.
You want Israel to stop, they listen and stop.
What would happen? It’s a pretty simple question…you use absolutes all the time yet now, you are using it as excuse not to answer.
Firstly people would probably stop fearing for their lives, children would stop being shot, people would not be subject to illegal eviction at the hands of settlers. People would become less radical over an extremely long time. People would be able to address the domestic situation properly as the threat of external forces becomes less of a problem. Diplomacy could be re- established. Hostages/prisoners could be exchanged.
That just off the top of my head.
No point asking you a question as you mostly conduct your self like some sort of smart arse school yard bully/tool covering intelligence inadequacy.
To finish, in reply to all the retard level arguments you present and the questions you never answer sincerely or in good faith.. LMB roady LMB
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