2022 Election
So what’s Albo’s vision for us….a nice train and.????? ..still waiting.
Get a dog up ya Scomo!
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/appalling-surfing-icon-kelly-s...
Optimist wrote:So what’s Albo’s vision for us….a nice train and.????? ..still waiting.
https://www.alp.org.au/policies
https://anthonyalbanese.com.au/the-issues
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/09/anthony-albanese-...
And this.
What vision does LNP have for Australia?
More corrupt shitfuckery?
That was a good read cheers….be nice if he could also stop Bills zingers and Kristina Keneally from speaking at all …then he might really get somewhere…but if he gets in I wish him all the best and hope he lives up to his stated ideals….my big gripe is housing….to me it’s simple that everyone with even a basic job should be living in their own affordable mortgage home and yet no plan from anybody in parliament beside the usual housing commission stuff.
GuySmiley wrote:Govt is formed by majority in House of Reps.
Currently LNP +1 seat but known electoral redistributions favour ALP a minimum of +2 seats.
With the LNP being on the nose everywhere except maybe in Tas and SA can’t see a LNP win but way more probable a big swing against.
SA state election comming up, LNP incumbent is on the nose with ALP polling better. Don't know if the Feds can count on SA, which just leaves Tasmania.
Optimist wrote:That was a good read cheers….be nice if he could also stop Bills zingers and Kristina Keneally from speaking at all …then he might really get somewhere…but if he gets in I wish him all the best and hope he lives up to his stated ideals….my big gripe is housing….to me it’s simple that everyone with even a basic job should be living in their own affordable mortgage home and yet no plan from anybody in parliament beside the usual housing commission stuff.
100% agree regarding housing. How this can be achieved, I have no idea.
Shorten took some policies to last election to try and address situation, whether they would have been effective or not who knows, but was rejected by electorate.
It's horrific if you are not in, but many have done very well out of the rising market. Is this sustainable, I don't believe so but cannot see how it will change, especially in highly sought after areas generally near the coast.
Saying that, we live in very interesting times with floods and major geo-political shifts happening which could have flow on consequences...
The 400 k. Mortgage is the simple answer….only cost the gov an initial land purchase then develop blocks at 200 k fixed for locals in each region who have lived there for 5 years and have a job. It only costs 55 k per block for full services and buying 100 acre lots to subdivide costs very little. Most project builders build a 200 k house and would be even cheaper by using on the job learning tafe students. The Govt simply guarantees the bank loan on a small deposit and if the buyer defaults their 400 bucks a week mortgage that house goes back into the housing pool for somebody else….not that hard really is it and we have tons of unused land everywhere on the edges of every centre. Small satellite suburbs in the middle of large farmlands would create new micro economies as well growing food on demand.
Optimist wrote:The 400 k. Mortgage is the simple answer….only cost the gov an initial land purchase then develop blocks at 200 k fixed for locals in each region who have lived there for 5 years and have a job. It only costs 55 k per block for full services and buying 100 acre lots to subdivide costs very little. Most project builders build a 200 k house and would be even cheaper by using on the job learning tafe students. The Govt simply guarantees the bank loan on a small deposit and if the buyer defaults their 400 bucks a week mortgage that house goes back into the housing pool for somebody else….not that hard really is it and we have tons of unused land everywhere on the edges of every centre. Small satellite suburbs in the middle of large farmlands would create new micro economies as well growing food on demand.
Interesting idea that in theory I could agree with.
Logistically, I don't know. Think would be push back from developers ( whom contribute to both parties) along with already established home owners near area with fears of their homes losing value and areas becoming future areas of low socioeconomic residents and high crime.
Difficult situation....
"That was a good read cheers….be nice if he could also stop Bills zingers and Kristina Keneally from speaking at all …then he might really get somewhere…"
what is it with kristina keneally?
she's a bit of a glamourpuss, very articulate, and ocassionally, even seems to have her heart in the right place... she should be absolute political gold... but seems to have the absolute opposite effect...
even when she's talking about stuff I agree with she just doesn't gel, with me or the public it seems, I find her quite grating actually...
maybe Im just racist, and it's the seppo accent, but shes seems to have the midas poo touch, ie. everything she touches turns to poo
Optimist wrote:The 400 k. Mortgage is the simple answer….only cost the gov an initial land purchase then develop blocks at 200 k fixed for locals in each region who have lived there for 5 years and have a job. It only costs 55 k per block for full services and buying 100 acre lots to subdivide costs very little. Most project builders build a 200 k house and would be even cheaper by using on the job learning tafe students. The Govt simply guarantees the bank loan on a small deposit and if the buyer defaults their 400 bucks a week mortgage that house goes back into the housing pool for somebody else….not that hard really is it and we have tons of unused land everywhere on the edges of every centre. Small satellite suburbs in the middle of large farmlands would create new micro economies as well growing food on demand.
seems like a great idea... but...
well lots of buts... developers... dogma... 'discrimimation'... and on and on...
but really, this, and the houses for 'locals' thing is similar to the investments government put into 'workers housing' in certain areas in the 70's, which was actually housing commision stuff...
housing commision 'workers housing' with a neoliberal touch...
sounds perfect
or the absolute best one could hope for in the current system / climate...
which means no chance
Optimist wrote:The 400 k. Mortgage is the simple answer….only cost the gov an initial land purchase then develop blocks at 200 k fixed for locals in each region who have lived there for 5 years and have a job. It only costs 55 k per block for full services and buying 100 acre lots to subdivide costs very little. Most project builders build a 200 k house and would be even cheaper by using on the job learning tafe students. The Govt simply guarantees the bank loan on a small deposit and if the buyer defaults their 400 bucks a week mortgage that house goes back into the housing pool for somebody else….not that hard really is it and we have tons of unused land everywhere on the edges of every centre. Small satellite suburbs in the middle of large farmlands would create new micro economies as well growing food on demand.
Interesting idea that in theory I could agree with.
Logistically, I don't know. Think would be push back from developers ( whom contribute to both parties) along with already established home owners near area with fears of their homes losing value and areas becoming future areas of low socioeconomic residents and high crime.
Difficult situation....
Not proposing slums but nice suburbs lived in by working families and stuff the developers. My home is worth a lot but I’m happy to have it worth less to bring in a 400 k mortgage to average families….at the end of the day it’s all just greed and fake value because you have to sell to buy something else anyway so it’s all just paper wealth.
sypkan wrote:"That was a good read cheers….be nice if he could also stop Bills zingers and Kristina Keneally from speaking at all …then he might really get somewhere…"
what is it with kristina keneally?
she's a bit of a glamourpuss, very articulate, and ocassionally, even seems to have her heart in the right place... she should be absolute political gold... but seems to have the absolute opposite effect...
even when she's talking about stuff I agree with she just doesn't gel, with me or the public it seems, I find her quite grating actually...
maybe Im just racist, and it's the seppo accent, but shes seems to have the midas poo touch, ie. everything she touches turns to poo
Maybe it's because she never actually won anything? Lost state elections, lost Bennelong by-election, got into a Senate to replace someone who quit, pushing herself as a candidate into Fowler and pushing a migrate candidate out. It's embarrassing that the party that promotes diversity is pushing her into an electorate that encompasses Cabramatta and Liverpool. I have so many friends there and this lady is the last person who truly represents them.
So based on the above why is she so prominent in the media etc. I see her more than I see Albo.
Let’s not forget her good friends the Obeid family.
Optimist wrote:Not proposing slums but nice suburbs lived in by working families and stuff the developers. My home is worth a lot but I’m happy to have it worth less to bring in a 400 k mortgage to average families….at the end of the day it’s all just greed and fake value because you have to sell to buy something else anyway so it’s all just paper wealth.
I am in same page with you on this topic. Same with my home, I'm very lucky I got in when I did . However I cannot see any govt able to sell this kind of idea to electorate. Even mentioning CGT or NG is really off the table for both political parties.
Optimist calls for ALP policies while supporting the party that will be mostly remembered for Can Do Corruption, that and total incompetence of the entire front bench FFS.
@ Groundswell. - re South park. and China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China
This episode is hilarious - couldn't download - maybe you can
Playing twister again Guy. Unlike you, I am not attached to any party and will vote for the best one for my country on the day. …and Labor have no affordable mortgage policy and neither do the LNP.
Optimist wrote:Playing twister again Guy. Unlike you, I am not attached to any party and will vote for the best one for my country on the day. …and Labor have no affordable mortgage policy and neither do the LNP.
I fully agree with this. None have the policy to address this issue. They might talk about it but it's all wishful thinking without any real substance.
Optimist wrote:Playing twister again Guy. Unlike you, I am not attached to any party and will vote for the best one for my country on the day. …and Labor have no affordable mortgage policy and neither do the LNP.
Breaking yet another of the big 10 laid down by Moses there Opti proving once against with your lot is never what I do, yeah?
Which party are you looking at then Optimist?
flollo wrote:Optimist wrote:Playing twister again Guy. Unlike you, I am not attached to any party and will vote for the best one for my country on the day. …and Labor have no affordable mortgage policy and neither do the LNP.
I fully agree with this. None have the policy to address this issue. They might talk about it but it's all wishful thinking without any real substance.
Perhaps you purists can illuminate the world on what you want here, you know, nail them to the mast instead of some pie in the sky pea brained idea lay it out ....
Andy, I’m stuck this election….I just don’t know yet. The world is just too weird at present. I’ve voted about 50/50 LNP Labor for over 40 years but just dunno this time around. I don’t mind Morrison’s team but I don’t think Scott should lead them anymore. Sending missiles to a country he knows nothing about just kills young Russian men instead of Ukrainian ones. We should stay away from that. It’s a problem only Russia and Ukraine really understand and by not staying neutral they brought on the wrath of Vlad. He stuffed up the freedom of religion we voted for which he had 3 years to bring in and now we are below even international standards. The same old same old are in the Labor party as well with a different leader….again. The party that yells freedom freedom is run by a questionable Clive character. One nation has good mission statements but is run by Pauline. The greens ……just stop it…..so there you have it.
But I suppose seeing as the most powerful men in the world are Biden, Putin and Xi….we should count ourselves lucky that our vanilla politicians who can’t even house the population , are at least not aggro toward us Aussies…so .at this point in time and seeing as we are in so much debt I’ll probably end up voting for the best boring old accountant available at present and with my limited understanding that would be frydenburg and for no other reason than I don’t want my kids to pay more tax than they do now.
GuySmiley wrote:flollo wrote:Optimist wrote:Playing twister again Guy. Unlike you, I am not attached to any party and will vote for the best one for my country on the day. …and Labor have no affordable mortgage policy and neither do the LNP.
I fully agree with this. None have the policy to address this issue. They might talk about it but it's all wishful thinking without any real substance.
Perhaps you purists can illuminate the world on what you want here, you know, nail them to the mast instead of some pie in the sky pea brained idea lay it out ....
Nonsense. It depends on what each one of us truly cares about. For example, I love this labor policy:
https://alp.org.au/policies/startup_year
It doesn't go into huge depths but it's clear what the intent is. I cannot find one for affordable housing. It's also not necessarily the highest topic on my list so I'm indifferent to it. I'm just making a comment that I haven't noticed an actual policy being proposed. I study 4-5 things I truly care about with great depth and I'm not a person who has a solution for every single problem.
flollo, what does affordable housing even mean? Affordable to who? If you mean social or public housing there has been decades of under funding by govt. The ALP are more likely to throw more money into public housing than any other but the real problem with housing has been primarily but not exclusively (1) govt intervention (1st home owner grants that only inflate prices) and (2) central banks lowering interest rates to next to zero that has caused the stampede into assets (stocks and housing).
No party will go to the election with policies that will see current prices fall, fact, the ALP had a crack at CGT and NG last election and that didn't go well. There are no easy solutions save a revolution best to have incremental change in the right direction over several electoral cycles: now ask yourself which party is most likely deliver that?
GuySmiley wrote:flollo, what does affordable housing even mean? Affordable to who? If you mean social or public housing there has been decades of under funding by govt. The ALP are more likely to throw more money into public housing than any other but the real problem with housing has been primarily but not exclusively (1) govt intervention (1st home owner grants that only inflate prices) and (2) central banks lowering interest rates to next to zero that has caused the stampede into assets (stocks and housing).
No party will go to the election with policies that will see current prices fall, fact, the ALP had a crack at CGT and NG last election and that didn't go well. There are no easy solutions save a revolution best to have incremental change in the right direction over several electoral cycles: now ask yourself which party is most likely deliver that?
Ok, let me clarify. As there was a post above about providing people with an opportunity to buy $400k properties I was referring to affordable house ownership.
So, my comment was specifically about the ability to buy and own a property. It's not about social housing. Defining the objectives around that should focus on income to house price ratio. There are many metrics in the link below but in summary, to buy a house in Sydney in 1970 was 4.5 times the income and now it's 12.2 times.
https://www.savings.com.au/home-loans/australian-house-prices-over-the-l...
So the question is what are we doing about it? What is the candidate's plan to address this ratio? Obviously, it can be done in two fundamental ways; income growing faster than houses or house prices dropping.
I don't think it's unrealistic for a candidate to address this ratio and draft a policy about it.
But again, this is not one of my top 4-5 topics to decide who to vote for. So, it will not influence my decision.
GuySmiley wrote:flollo, what does affordable housing even mean? Affordable to who? If you mean social or public housing there has been decades of under funding by govt. The ALP are more likely to throw more money into public housing than any other but the real problem with housing has been primarily but not exclusively (1) govt intervention (1st home owner grants that only inflate prices) and (2) central banks lowering interest rates to next to zero that has caused the stampede into assets (stocks and housing).
No party will go to the election with policies that will see current prices fall, fact, the ALP had a crack at CGT and NG last election and that didn't go well. There are no easy solutions save a revolution best to have incremental change in the right direction over several electoral cycles: now ask yourself which party is most likely deliver that?
Trick question??? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Only one major party in Australia has any concern for your average Australian, and it ain't the one run by Morrison and his bunch of corrupt grifters....
https://m.
&t=1s370,000 views and still sound of crickets from msm....
Smells bad for Dutton….and I thought he was a good guard dog….my vote is still in the air it seems.
Ha ha ha...gotta give it to you Optimist.
Keeping the charade going and all that.
flollo, so it’s (literally) a revolution youre after, nice I’m with you comrade. Murdoch is first up against the wall in mine followed by Clive and Gina followed by Pell and after them various misfits past and present of politics and lobbyist.
Viva the revolution!
H2O wrote:@ Groundswell. - re South park. and China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China
This episode is hilarious - couldn't download - maybe you can
Thanks just downloaded that will watch it tonight.
Slomo declares national emergency for Northern NSW , geez he’s quick !
Supafreak wrote:Slomo declares national emergency for Northern NSW , geez he’s quick !
Announcement made, job done.
Well done Scomo....
Optimist "so .at this point in time and seeing as we are in so much debt I’ll probably end up voting for the best boring old accountant available at present and with my limited understanding that would be frydenburg and for no other reason than I don’t want my kids to pay more tax than they do now."
Pop quiz - a) Who is the second highest taxing Treasurer in Australian history?
b) Who is the first?
Answers a) Josh Frydenberg b) Peter Costello
Your kids pay more tax, their dad is an idiot.
Well whoever gets in it looks like we might get back into manufacturing again and becoming more self sufficient in an ever crazy world which is good . World leaders are talking nukes on both sides if you can believe the level of stupidity. We seem to be becoming much smaller fish in this global fish tank trying to act tough whereas a more humble approach would be better. Blessed are the Peacemakers I always thought. I wish all countries would just stay inside their own borders and live independent lives as globalisation is just a bullies dream come true. The Biden admin is the worst troublemaking presidency in history and everyone should keep their distance from them. Depressing to watch crappy government everywhere on earth while the people suffer. The Australian elections seem pretty well backstage right now with no real stars here either. Where are the amazing people in Australia with not only a great vision for us, but the exact plans to implement it?….and if our politicians can’t do it, they should at least hire private people who can.
JUST IN: Scott Morrison has announced that Ballina, Byron and Tweed Shire residents will NOT be able to access the federal government’s additional disaster payments.
This is an outrage and I am calling for this to be extended to ALL of us. https://www.facebook.com/100057813110068/posts/384268423510258/?d=n
Supafreak wrote:JUST IN: Scott Morrison has announced that Ballina, Byron and Tweed Shire residents will NOT be able to access the federal government’s additional disaster payments.
This is an outrage and I am calling for this to be extended to ALL of us. https://www.facebook.com/100057813110068/posts/384268423510258/?d=n
Must have consulted the colour coded spreadsheet and noticed they are Labor seats???
Maybe ..??
Don't get sucked in. After emotional response. Electoral suicide to do this. Justine and husband good intentions, but very dull when it comes to bigger picture. Scomo, looking to sideways shift slow unresponsive reaction, not The Shire. Once more, time to go beyond this inefficient lack dimension.. News one hour- don't pay attention, your heart- one hour-pay attention.
Adam, the reason frydenburg and Costello collected more tax is because they created the environment for more jobs. More jobs more tax income. Jim Chalmers seems like a decent family man even though a little Labor like boring. If they get in I hope he does well , if he’s allowed to do well that is. One of the things I’m dreading the most is if Labor gets in and they spend the next three years crying about having no money and it’s all Morrison’s fault rather than getting on with it and building a new re designed highly skilled manufacturing Australia. We make good stuff here and the world is cashed up and ready to buy good long lasting stuff rather than cheap Chinese stuff…eg..the U.S. sell a lot of Harley’s in China these days ya know.
Out of respect for their privacy there is no footage of me meeting with Lismore locals today but I promise you they were all very friendly and appreciative of my visit
— Peter Dutton - Next PM of Australia (parody) (@PotatoDutton_PM) March 9, 2022
. https://www.facebook.com/There are 7 LGAs in Northern Rivers region. Scott Morrison announced that in 3 of those 7 (Lismore, Richmond & Clarence Valley) flood effected adults would get disaster payments totally $3,000 & 1,200 for each child. All 3 LGAs are in Nats MP for Page Kevin Hogan's electorate. 1/
— no_filter_Yamba (@no_filter_Yamba) March 9, 2022
Optimist wrote:Adam, the reason frydenburg and Costello collected more tax is because they created the environment for more jobs. More jobs more tax income. Jim Chalmers seems like a decent family man even though a little Labor like boring. If they get in I hope he does well , if he’s allowed to do well that is. One of the things I’m dreading the most is if Labor gets in and they spend the next three years crying about having no money and it’s all Morrison’s fault rather than getting on with it and building a new re designed highly skilled manufacturing Australia. We make good stuff here and the world is cashed up and ready to buy good long lasting stuff rather than cheap Chinese stuff…eg..the U.S. sell a lot of Harley’s in China these days ya know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100686194
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story!
Also where do taxes go? Labor generally spend in programs to assist population. LNP gut programs that benefit average Australians....
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/scottyfrommktg/status/1501444613605064708?s=21
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/10/passivity-and-bla...
The guy is pathetic....
Cocaine is God’s way of telling you you’re making too much money http://t.co/e0nOsgtkMj
— Peter Dutton (@PeterDutton_MP) February 22, 2015
Optimist wrote:Adam, the reason frydenburg and Costello collected more tax is because they created the environment for more jobs. More jobs more tax income. Jim Chalmers seems like a decent family man even though a little Labor like boring. If they get in I hope he does well , if he’s allowed to do well that is. One of the things I’m dreading the most is if Labor gets in and they spend the next three years crying about having no money and it’s all Morrison’s fault rather than getting on with it and building a new re designed highly skilled manufacturing Australia. We make good stuff here and the world is cashed up and ready to buy good long lasting stuff rather than cheap Chinese stuff…eg..the U.S. sell a lot of Harley’s in China these days ya know.
100% correct on the first bit,
But sorry manufacturing isn't ccoming back, makes no sense we have the highest min wage in the world, and high cost of other overheads plus over regulated, plenty of high skilled worker's in Asia too, just need to diversify where we make things in Asia
Double post
“One of the things I’m dreading the most is if Labor gets in and they spend the next three years crying about having no money and it’s all Morrison’s fault rather than getting on with it and building a new re designed highly skilled manufacturing Australia.”
Not unlike the Libs constantly crying about how Labor are such poor economic managers, instead of just getting on with it. To imply it doesn’t go both ways is pretty pathetic.
BTW how are the Libs going with “building a new re designed highly skilled manufacturing Australia.”?
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