2022 Election
fitzroy-21 wrote:sypkan wrote:I honestly cannot understand how labor can still appear so useless and unappealing against such a backdrop of shitfuckery...
it probably is time for a change, because as you say, morrison and co. just break new grounds of fucked up-ness every day, but I literally fear what labor offer as an alternative
how does it even come to this?
The million dollar question is.....Can they be any worse than what we have got currently? Surely not....but then again....how can we be sure?
Surely no one expected this mob would be this bad.
As you say, how does it even come to this?
No matter what Labor do most of media will report it in a negative light. Quite opposite with LNP. No way would a Labor govt get away with the shitfuckery of this govt, they are protected species in msm as Jordies continually highlights.
Debt n deficit disaster with ALP, 5 times debt and deficit with these corrupt kooks, but all cool and normal...
Amazing interview with Ukraine president. Unlike others, he knows how to hold a firehose-
&t=7s I heard the Ballina mayor on air yesterday and she spoke very highly of Scott Morrison when they had their meeting in Ballina the other day. It’s obvious that you need the dust to settle before you make long lasting plans or in this case water. She said he gave her all the time she needed to layout her needs and he responded accordingly. I can’t help but think that after years of natural disasters and then seeing Scott’s head at the end of each of the bulletins trying to make things right, , people are just sick seeing him on TV and really it’s not his fault. I think subconsciously people are tired but it’s no ones fault. I think the LNP have been pretty good through all this and have responded well. I know some in my family were saved by the $750 week job keeper plan even though it was half their normal wages but they ate and paid their mortgage etc and it was all for free …pretty bloody good eh….less people died here than anywhere and the economy survived too. Mistakes were made but come on who wouldn’t have made a few. Would the Labor party have been better , well maybe but we will never know. Just had my third free vaccine and saw my doctor for free again after my free blood tests thanks to labor’s Medicare. There is no doubt that good Labor men and women are as good as good LNP men and women. The question I have to ask myself is who has a better team of players right now and who would be best at paying back years of pandemic debt without taxing every Avenue of our lives even to death do us part.
Albo has been very cunning in keeping the focus on the Gov and amplifying every error they make. He has spent his whole working career except for one year in a bank in the Labor party and Parliament House must be a second or should I say sixth home to him. All the nonsense that has occurred in there he has been a party to a lot longer than Scotty from marketing and he could have easily fixed it earlier but no, It’s all Scott’s fault blame it on the newer guy. After deep thought, Scott and Josh have done a pretty good damn job. No he doesn’t hold a fire hose like Abbott and his “please like me” attitude is kooky but he’s obviously one of those characters that needs to be loved unlike me on this site that’s for sure. Can the Labor party do better at governing this election?…well maybe but I just keep seeing those same old serial politicians in the background like shorten who sold out his own union members for a company bribe to his union while his friend dastyari was giving info to the Chinese gov and got busted.and Keneally who was in bed with the obeids ….I just dunno….I still keep coming back to who can pay off the credit card best….climate is an issue but it seems to be taking care of itself with the worlds largest solar uptake in Australia…finally… thanks to gov rebates..etc…unless Albo comes up with some earth shattering ideas and vision to take us forward rather than his current vanilla attitude I’ll be forced to vote LNP again and as I said before , the only reason is I think they will pay down debt faster therefore creating a better environment for small business which is the backbone of Australia…..Ok now I better put on my spray proof jacket…ha..ha.
A good friend who has always voted Liberals for the last 42 years for the first time is voting labor. His reasons are , number 1 , climate change and the liberals failure in addressing this major issue, number 2 , the corruption is out of control, number 3 , Morrison is the worst prime minister he’s seen . He is prepared to pay more tax under labor and is willing to do so as long as this current mob of criminals are outed .
Fact check…Howard and Hawke…highest to GDP.
Fact check (if we are going to rake over the coals).
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australias-most-wasteful-spendin...
Another example that incumbent governments try to buy their next term.
fitzroy-21 wrote:In all honesty Indo, I don't know of anyone that predicted the real estate phenomenon during Covid, particularly for regional and rural areas. This in no way, shape or form was an instrument of the governments doing. It was purely market driven, and in turn, that drove the construction boom in those same areas.
We have seen real estate prices double, even triple, in these areas up and down the east coast as people exited the capital cities to avoid lockdowns. Businesses had to make the hard decisions and allowed people to work from home. This in turn made people realise they no longer required to live in the cities and could go and live in these regional/rural areas. Live their dream. They could sell up at a very good price, and pretty well buy in with little to no debt.
Those properties that people bought may not have been exactly what they wanted but they could see the potential with some renovations. All the vacant properties were bought up so then people looked for land. With the land being bought up, they wanted houses built, this has in turn ramped up the construction boom. The flow on effect has been discussed on this site for years now and we know the end result.
My area has tripled in population. It is unbelievable. There are no vacancies anywhere, rent is through the roof, provided you can find anything, and all tradesmen are booked out for months ahead. Can't even get more tradies in as they have nowhere to live.
All this has contributed to our economy ticking along nicely. But as Syp has pointed out, a lot of this is also on credit for many. People have watched what is going on and serious FOMO has set in, contributing to the ever increasing demand and rise in real estate.
But again, I cannot see how anyone could think that this has anything to do with good management by the LNP government. Any government for that matter. It is pure dumb luck.
If the realestate market and economy had done what we all expected (including what so called experts expected) and died in the arse and we had a situation like in the 90s under Keating, everyone would be blaming the government for not managing things better.
But now the realestate market boomed and the economy is doing pretty good, people say it's not due to the government spending or schemes, just luck.
It's damned if you do and dammed if you don't.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/12/labor-demands-chr...
Nothing to see here, move on.
Still nothing on Dutton regarding serious allegations in any media outlet. Can probably safely say story buried. If false why is Dutton not going after him like he did Twitter user?
Cool and normal...
Standard you walk by etc.. LNP....
I couldn’t share the link , it was on YouTube so I took a screenshot. 
Supafreak wrote:I couldn’t share the link , it was on YouTube so I took a screenshot.
Obviously this is not a representation of the way the majority of Australians vote and only a representation of his YouTube subscriber's.
The only explanation of 4% LNP is he has a few trolls as anyone in their right mind that wold vote LNP wouldn't follow this smarmy annoying tosser.
Sportsbet
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LNP $3.05
sypkan wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:In all honesty Indo, I don't know of anyone that predicted the real estate phenomenon during Covid, particularly for regional and rural areas. This in no way, shape or form was an instrument of the governments doing. It was purely market driven, and in turn, that drove the construction boom in those same areas.
We have seen real estate prices double, even triple, in these areas up and down the east coast as people exited the capital cities to avoid lockdowns. Businesses had to make the hard decisions and allowed people to work from home. This in turn made people realise they no longer required to live in the cities and could go and live in these regional/rural areas. Live their dream. They could sell up at a very good price, and pretty well buy in with little to no debt.
Those properties that people bought may not have been exactly what they wanted but they could see the potential with some renovations. All the vacant properties were bought up so then people looked for land. With the land being bought up, they wanted houses built, this has in turn ramped up the construction boom. The flow on effect has been discussed on this site for years now and we know the end result.
My area has tripled in population. It is unbelievable. There are no vacancies anywhere, rent is through the roof, provided you can find anything, and all tradesmen are booked out for months ahead. Can't even get more tradies in as they have nowhere to live.
All this has contributed to our economy ticking along nicely. But as Syp has pointed out, a lot of this is also on credit for many. People have watched what is going on and serious FOMO has set in, contributing to the ever increasing demand and rise in real estate.
But again, I cannot see how anyone could think that this has anything to do with good management by the LNP government. Any government for that matter. It is pure dumb luck.
not even dumb luck
just dumb...
if you want to look at it from a good management point of view... they totally overcooked it, the stimulus was badly targeted, creating all sorts of problems for quite some time to come
good if you are in the trades I guess, but kinda fucked up a heap of things for everyone else
but indo's right, the libs have totally poached the trades, not just with this little venture. its been quite a process...
but yeh, not sure that little buying exercise can survive this latest fuck up
you'd have to consider the morrison government done, which Im not overly overjoyed about, as labor just continue to air that feeling of absolutely no confidence
none whatsoever...
me too
sypkan and fitzroy - you could take the dong pic on ballot paper approach then spend the next 3 years mumbling to people "Well, don't blame me then, I drew a giant weiner!" in your best Hunter S Thompson voice...
GuySmiley wrote:Sportsbet
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Only about 18 of almost the last 54 years have been under Labor and only about 6 of the last 27 years.
If Albo gets in on the back of watered down policy ( Liberal lite) it wont last long, there will be a honeymoon period for a while and then he will get judged just as harshly as Scomo has been, and if Labor start falling back into irrelevant woke side issues like we can expect it will be over as quickly as it started.
But info you forget about all the LNP internal division and infighting that will go nuclear after an election lost. Not many so-called moderates left so it will open warfare between the far right, the religious nut case far right and the lunatic extreme right. At state and national level. They could fight themselves into electoral oblivion.
I think slomo will retire and take up a pastor roll at hillsong .
GuySmiley wrote:But info you forget about all the LNP internal division and infighting that will go nuclear after an election lost. Not many so-called moderates left so it will open warfare between the far right, the religious nut case far right and the lunatic extreme right. At state and national level. They could fight themselves into electoral oblivion.
And if Labor get a proper ICAC up and running, reckon some could be in jail ...
I predict a historic loss to the LNP, Dutton and Frydenberg both lose their seats, Karen Andrews new LNP leader with Birmingham second banana. Dutton will go into a defence procurement private lobbyist role, Josh to one of the Big 4 banks or accounting firms, Scomo will preach and fleece a flock somewhere. LNP out of office for the rest of the decade. Fifteen seat majority to Labor in the House, or more, plenty of Independents, Greens go shit, UAP steals Pauline's fruit loops. Reserve Bank starts lifting interest rates two months after the election.
adam12 wrote:I predict a historic loss to the LNP, Dutton and Frydenberg both lose their seats, Karen Andrews new LNP leader with Birmingham second banana. Dutton will go into a defence procurement private lobbyist role, Josh to one of the Big 4 banks or accounting firms, Scomo will preach and fleece a flock somewhere. LNP out of office for the rest of the decade. Fifteen seat majority to Labor in the House, or more, plenty of Independents, Greens go shit, UAP steals Pauline's fruit loops. Reserve Bank starts lifting interest rates two months after the election.
Followed by more interest rate rises, then we will have the second recession we had to have, the housing market will crash, unemployment will sky rocket, black & brown outs will happen across the nation, jobs that went from offices to working at home will slowly go offshore, it will be like the late 80s early 90s all over again, same but different.
Dark days ahead I'm afraid.
Interest rates are going to up, irrespective of who is in charge. Economic growth is going to be patchy at best. To say that this will be purely due to an ALP government is ludicrous and ignores the impact of global factors on our economy. Like what happened in the 80's and 90's, and then under Howard, we followed a similar path to many western nations. Some good and some bad management, and a whole lot of luck.
In time honoured tradition,
it looks like the left side take power once the right side have fucked it up; skimmed all the profits, made their mates wealthy from the public purse and sucked the life out of thimgs. Good economic managers my arse.
Will the ALP do a better job?maybe, maybe not. Hopefully they make some positive changes. Irrespective, the current shower of arseholes have had their chance. Will the ALP get blamed when things turn down as they must? No doubt. Still it is time for change.
indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:I predict a historic loss to the LNP, Dutton and Frydenberg both lose their seats, Karen Andrews new LNP leader with Birmingham second banana. Dutton will go into a defence procurement private lobbyist role, Josh to one of the Big 4 banks or accounting firms, Scomo will preach and fleece a flock somewhere. LNP out of office for the rest of the decade. Fifteen seat majority to Labor in the House, or more, plenty of Independents, Greens go shit, UAP steals Pauline's fruit loops. Reserve Bank starts lifting interest rates two months after the election.
Followed by more interest rate rises, then we will have the second recession we had to have, the housing market will crash, unemployment will sky rocket, black & brown outs will happen across the nation, jobs that went from offices to working at home will slowly go offshore, it will be like the late 80s early 90s all over again, same but different.
Dark days ahead I'm afraid.
You guys stop it, writing fantasy fiction like that. Rates will do it if no political party does. Rates rise, wipe out the unsustainable debts and business models, and reward savers once again.
velocityjohnno wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:adam12 wrote:I predict a historic loss to the LNP, Dutton and Frydenberg both lose their seats, Karen Andrews new LNP leader with Birmingham second banana. Dutton will go into a defence procurement private lobbyist role, Josh to one of the Big 4 banks or accounting firms, Scomo will preach and fleece a flock somewhere. LNP out of office for the rest of the decade. Fifteen seat majority to Labor in the House, or more, plenty of Independents, Greens go shit, UAP steals Pauline's fruit loops. Reserve Bank starts lifting interest rates two months after the election.
Followed by more interest rate rises, then we will have the second recession we had to have, the housing market will crash, unemployment will sky rocket, black & brown outs will happen across the nation, jobs that went from offices to working at home will slowly go offshore, it will be like the late 80s early 90s all over again, same but different.
Dark days ahead I'm afraid.
You guys stop it, writing fantasy fiction like that. Rates will do it if no political party does. Rates rise, wipe out the unsustainable debts and business models, and reward savers once again.
VJ global recession is baked in unfortunately, depression for some countries.. assume the brace position.
Constance B Gibson wrote:A show of hands here...
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/local-swing-voter-just-a-l...
If the shoe fits, ay.
Aaaand go...
Betoota was once a satirical site!
https://twitter.com/nathleigh/status/1503600742946410497?s=21. What’s next ? Maybe slomo could have a crack at being a rockstar ?
Ha !
To be sure to be sure ;-)
Happy St Patricks Day
ALP...proving they have NFI about PR. Mean girls and the clown that received a complaint brings faux outrage when questioned by the media...as opposed to addressing the issue. They are despearte to sweep this under the rug.
The ALP have even less chance now...thank the girls. Albo seen running for the hills as a coward, senior members dodging questions. This weekend will be all about brainstorming some sort of defence and forming a party line for the minions to parrot off. The LNP have eveything they now need to win.
Roadkill wrote:The ALP have even less chance now...thank the girls. …..The LNP have eveything they now need to win.
Except talent, morals and a vision for the future. Grasping a straws springs to mind.
blackers wrote:Roadkill wrote:The ALP have even less chance now...thank the girls. …..The LNP have eveything they now need to win.
Except talent, morals and a vision for the future. Grasping a straws springs to mind.
No party has morals…all politicians are selfish ego driven backstabbers. ALP and LNP are too similar now…none have any real vision.
The ALP won’t be the next govt, no matter how much you hope they will be.
I don't think the 'mean girls' saga is the death blow
but I do think it's interesting, with that indian labor chick making the same allegations, bit of a pattern... even on here funnily enough...
not a good look albo in hiding though, and walking off on reporters etc...
it'll be a distant memory come election, maybe...
sypkan wrote:I don't think the 'mean girls' saga is the death blow
but I do think it's interesting, with that indian labor chick making the same allegations, bit of a pattern... even on here funnily enough...
not a good look albo in hiding though, and walking off on reporters etc...
it'll be a distant memory come election, maybe...
Probably. However, is it any more of a pattern than the Christian Porter/Alan Tudge/ treatment of Britany Higgins and Grace Tame sort of thing? Kimberly Kitching's death was a shame, far too young and sad for all. Investigate the claims and get it sorted. It seems pretty piss poor to try to make political mileage out of the grief of family and friends.
As for Kaushaliya - your "Indian Labor chick", most voters see state and Feds as different entities. Can't see it having any impact Federally.
I have sinned
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sypkan wrote:I don't think the 'mean girls' saga is the death blow
but I do think it's interesting, with that indian labor chick making the same allegations, bit of a pattern... even on here funnily enough...
not a good look albo in hiding though, and walking off on reporters etc...
it'll be a distant memory come election, maybe...
It's interesting that a lot of this stuff is always made out to be about opposite genders, but its seems in this case the lady who died was bullied by other females in the Labor party, id expect bullying between blokes would be pretty common too no matter the party, especially between fractions in their own parties.
Sadly this lady was on the right leaning fraction of Labor so would have copped it pretty hard from the left, as we know the woke left have a culture of bullying and cancelling each other.
"woke left" from the warrior(ette) who sees maxists under the bed ..... phttt.
Constance B Gibson wrote:
Pssst, who knows who Julia Banks is? Or rather, who doesn't know!?
seriously dumb argument
context free and plain stoopid
GuySmiley wrote:"woke left" from the warrior(ette) who sees maxists under the bed ..... phttt.
I think its quite hilarious you constantly draw parallels between the old 'reds under the beds' campaigns of yore, and criticisms of contemporary marxist arguments and wokeism...
do you really believe they are based on the same level of all encompassing dismissiveness and lack of substance?
I certainly see some elements of mcarthyism in the modern context, but it ain't coming from where you think it is...
Funny how many still attack Morrison, but ignore the girls who caused a death. So much bias.
All politicians are the same.
Gday Shep, what I find hilarious is use of so-called put down labels in the cut and thrust of political debate. It’s lazy, hollow and stupid herein we find it’s attractiveness to info.
oh c'mon guysmiley...
it's the left that made an absolute artform of what you are criticising... and now they're all butt hurt and hissy fitting when it gets thrown back at them...
and the funny thing is, its their own term being thrown back at em... there was a period, ...perhaps a very very short period... where it was actually cool to be woke, and to declare ones awakening...
I think it's quite hilarious too that 'communist' has become what appears to be a very biting, all encompassing, and end of argument put down...
same with socialist, but less so...
I would proudly declare Im more socialist than capitalist, but it appears hard core socialists avoid the term like the plague...
even the contemporary marxists plotting their nutty agenda
politics is sooooo all over the shop atm
sypkindo hahaha bahahaha
GuySmiley wrote:Gday Shep, what I find hilarious is use of so-called put down labels in the cut and thrust of political debate. It’s lazy, hollow and stupid herein we find it’s attractiveness to info.
Gee's the irony of this comment after a page of half a dozen lame political memes and then goes on to make up childish names.
I rest my case.
And yeah more irony.
well, for at least five years large parts of 'the left' have been willing to admit they have a problem...
but not you too
you only have denial
again...
psyche 101
you need to first idenitify a problem if you want to fix it...
or not... if you don't...
carry on...
'winning'
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