2022 Election
Either side can do it by taking hold of our LNG supplies, buy out the companies and use it for manufacturing and road freight. We have all the metals and energy which should offset higher wages… where there is a will there is a way.
Anyone ever thought about how if one was so into their favorite candidate one could go to many polling booths in one voting day and help raise the popularity of that candidate. Also do away from home votes over the internet. in a group of many voters is this noticed? i cant see how they could stop this.
i accidentally voted twice in the last election by my brother doing an away from home vote for me without me knowing, then on voting day i voted at the local school.
https://m.
&t=48sSome inconvenient truths here for LNP...
andy-mac wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXdjwq0MF8&t=48s
Some inconvenient truths here for LNP...
Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in. What will he actually do? I'm genuinely curious, this is not to stir things up.
He built his whole career on LNP hate, what will he do when they're not in?
I appreciate and support his anti-corruption work but I guess where I'm going with this is that his videos can be 80% shorter if all labor loving/LNP hating hyperbole is cut out.
flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXdjwq0MF8&t=48s
Some inconvenient truths here for LNP...
Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in. What will he actually do? I'm genuinely curious, this is not to stir things up.
He built his whole career on LNP hate, what will he do when they're not in?
I appreciate and support his anti-corruption work but I guess where I'm going with this is that his videos can be 80% shorter if all labor loving/LNP hating hyperbole is cut out.
Haha true...
Hope he loses all the material he has been working with after next election.
Then again could be some more corruption videos to do featuring Scomo and the gang .. be plenty to work with there!
His producer just had all charges dropped as a side note...
andy-mac wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXdjwq0MF8&t=48s
Some inconvenient truths here for LNP...
Haha. Great vid andymac.
Reverse pork barrelling on the Goldy hahaha
Point number 4 was especially brutal
And yep, here comes Clive again.
Conveniently having his day in court right now to pump up the publicity.
Cheers for sharing.
flollo wrote:andy-mac wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXdjwq0MF8&t=48s
Some inconvenient truths here for LNP...
Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in. What will he actually do? I'm genuinely curious, this is not to stir things up.
He built his whole career on LNP hate, what will he do when they're not in?
I appreciate and support his anti-corruption work but I guess where I'm going with this is that his videos can be 80% shorter if all labor loving/LNP hating hyperbole is cut out.
Never mind friendlyjordies what the hell are Swellnet posters going to whinge about if Labor gets in???
They’ll think of something to whine about and someone to hate. We just got through a major plague pretty much in tact with a few errors but we did well. Everyone got money and support but for that the Gov is still rubbish in the eyes of swellnet posters and that was only one of the dramas the gov faced. I’m amazed how much criticism there is but very few ideas to throw around. Easy to be an expert critic but where are the good ideas to discuss….cue crickets.
“ Everyone got money and support “ are you sure about that statement Optimist ?
Optimist wrote:Everyone got money
Wife lost her old job and has had to work twice as hard for half as much, and because it was the tertiary sector we didn't get a brass razoo.
Meanwhile, your boy Josh gave $40 billion to profitable companies.
You really are a fool sometimes, mate.
Profitable companies who hire hundreds of people and would no longer have existed without the assistance….even seemingly wealthy people live on edge because they have balls….so who’s the fool?
This guy is the fool optimist
The kids are sharing this on TicToc Mr Speaker #Auspol #Climatecrisis pic.twitter.com/7SHVdoNE8y
— 🌿 (@RErbium) March 9, 2022
Scommo was to be a game changer - finally a man of faith with a hotline to the almighty in charge was view of many evangelicals. A promised land awaited.
Well we got fire, mice plague, pandemic and flood ( and war).
Maybe we need another bonking enthusiast, faithless Bob Hawke sinner type in charge?
Optimist wrote:Profitable companies who hire hundreds of people and would no longer have existed without the assistance
Wrong, dickhead.
Most was paid as dividends.
FFS
Optimist wrote:They’ll think of something to whine about and someone to hate. We just got through a major plague pretty much in tact with a few errors but we did well. Everyone got money and support but for that the Gov is still rubbish in the eyes of swellnet posters and that was only one of the dramas the gov faced. I’m amazed how much criticism there is but very few ideas to throw around. Easy to be an expert critic but where are the good ideas to discuss….cue crickets.
Pretty much fucked up everything he touched and was responsible for. The States were our only saving grace, he was off to the footy. Even job keeper was a Greg Combet and Sally McManus idea that they screwed up gifting billions to profitable companies. LNP people trying to defend the indefensible. If it was just incompetence it would almost be understandable, but they are the most corrupt govt in our history that I hope an ICAC will one day prove. Think education/ University sector could have deserved some tax payers money over Gerry Harvey....
Optimist i hope you dont believe in trickled down economics. because if you do you're wrong.
“.... Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in ....”
“Never mind friendlyjordies what the hell are Swellnet posters going to whinge about if Labor gets in???”
What I’m looking forward to is seeing you walking butt-hurt whinge incessantly FYeah
LNP 'corruption' seems to be the Labor anthem which many swellnutters are only too happy to sing (over and over and over again) without a shred of evidence of it's existence. If WSL points were awarded for brainwashed lemmings, swellnutters andy, guy, vic, etc would be world champions.
Geez mate there is plenty of evidence. I’m intrigued why you don’t think any exists. You’re as bad as Indo. Murdoch media aficionado obviously.
I know it exists in the Labor party. When it gets exposed I’m gutted as a Labor voter and good riddance to them for damaging the brand. Seems Liberal party this is par for the course these days and nothing to see here for you lot. No care in the world
It’s a bit old but we’ll into their tenure and I know you won’t think it’s legit because of there left leanings.
https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-...
Are you willing to dismiss all as BS?
Cockee wrote:LNP 'corruption' seems to be the Labor anthem which many swellnutters are only too happy to sing (over and over and over again) without a shred of evidence of it's existence. If WSL points were awarded for brainwashed lemmings, swellnutters andy, guy, vic, etc would be world champions.
Without a shred of evidence?
The federal government has:
- Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source
- Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity.
- Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition.
- Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education.
- Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals.
- Loosened political donation laws.
- Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
- Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel.
- Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission.
- Set up the COVID-19 National Coordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.
- Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first.
- Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality.
- Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.
- Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors.
- Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent.
- Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.
- Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary.
- Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party.
- Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases.
- Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation.
- Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.
- Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000.
- Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source
Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.
- Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances.
- Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.
- Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior.
- Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.
- Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation.
- Kept secret a government-funded report that showed that less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people.
- Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were.
- Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests.
- Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests.
- Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source
Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source
Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source
Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source
Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source
Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source
Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source
Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source
Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source
Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source
Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source
Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source
Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source
Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source
Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source
Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source
Broke an election promise by cutting $84 million from the ABC (again). source
Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source
Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source
Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source
Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source
Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source
Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source
Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source
Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source
Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source
Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source
Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source
Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source
Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source
Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source
Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source
Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source
Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source
Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source
Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source
Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source
Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source
Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source
Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source
Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source
Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source
Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source
Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source
Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days.
The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source
Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source
Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source
Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source
Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source
Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source
Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source
Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source
Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source
Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source
Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source
Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source
Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source
Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source
Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source
Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5% (which broke an election promise). source
Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source
Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source
Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source
Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source
Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source
Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source
Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source
Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source
Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source
Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source
Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source
Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source
Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source
Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source
Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source
Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source
Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source
Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source
Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source
Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source
Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source
Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source
Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source
Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source
Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source
Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source
Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source
Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source
Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source
Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source
Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source
And this
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/the-case-for-a-federal-icac/
And this
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-hits-new-low-on-transparency-in...
Yep not a shred of evidence.... Pfft.. head butt wall....
Never mind their continual stalling, blocking and redacting with FOI requests.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/freedom-of-information
GuySmiley wrote:“.... Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in ....”
“Never mind friendlyjordies what the hell are Swellnet posters going to whinge about if Labor gets in???”
What I’m looking forward to is seeing you walking butt-hurt whinge incessantly FYeah
Nice work. You took a snippet of my post and turned it into something else to fit your butt hurting narrative. Luckily for me, I am already winning so no butt hurting. I'm in an electorate that has a strong independent incumbent and unless there is some major controversy on the horizon it will stay that way. Major parties are hardly trying to win this place, nominating candidates no one ever heard of. I can't even find any information about them; labor nominated a lady who was an ICU nurse and that is all we know about her. Nothing else can be found. Straight from a nurse into running a country? No thanks. Liberals nominated a lady from the financial sector with CBA and Deloitte experience. A bit more info can be found on this one but again, very limited. Same thing, not enough to vote for.
Not that long ago there was a discussion here about focusing on your local MP and seeing what they want to achieve. Obviously, that often gets corrupted when they fall into the party lines but it doesn't mean everyone should abandon the concept. Instead, we should fight for it. Each policy proposal should be assessed on its merits and not blindly followed because you like this or that party. Independent candidate in my electorate has shown a strong record in doing exactly that. And I'm happy for it to stay that way.
It didn't take long for Swellnet readership to fall back into ideological tribalism after this discussion was held.
flollo wrote:GuySmiley wrote:“.... Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in ....”
“Never mind friendlyjordies what the hell are Swellnet posters going to whinge about if Labor gets in???”
What I’m looking forward to is seeing you walking butt-hurt whinge incessantly FYeah
Nice work. You took a snippet of my post and turned it into something else to fit your butt hurting narrative. Luckily for me, I am already winning so no butt hurting. I'm in an electorate that has a strong independent incumbent and unless there is some major controversy on the horizon it will stay that way. Major parties are hardly trying to win this place, nominating candidates no one ever heard of. I can't even find any information about them; labor nominated a lady who was an ICU nurse and that is all we know about her. Nothing else can be found. Straight from a nurse into running a country? No thanks. Liberals nominated a lady from the financial sector with CBA and Deloitte experience. A bit more info can be found on this one but again, very limited. Same thing, not enough to vote for.
Not that long ago there was a discussion here about focusing on your local MP and seeing what they want to achieve. Obviously, that often gets corrupted when they fall into the party lines but it doesn't mean everyone should abandon the concept. Instead, we should fight for it. Each policy proposal should be assessed on its merits and not blindly followed because you like this or that party. Independent candidate in my electorate has shown a strong record in doing exactly that. And I'm happy for it to stay that way.
It didn't take long for Swellnet readership to fall back into ideological tribalism after this discussion was held.
Independants are gaining ground here as people look for alternative solutions. Can only see it improving as the independants become more representative of the communities they represent. People are sick of being ignored and bullshitted. There are some wise commenters on swellnet who could easily gain support if they were ever to run independently within the communities they live. Why are people looking at independants? Because they haven't seen change in areas important to them and their communities. They can only become stronger as more people consider this option. And the need becomes greater. They are not the whole anserw but can help deliver community needs. This can only be a good thing. They force attention to ignored views and ideas. We need stronger community based voices and action. Independants represent this to a certain degree more than two party tit for tat politics. Has Scomo got your back? Or just to the next election promise. Who can you trust? Why should you trust?
flollo wrote:Jeez, friendlyjordies will have an existential crisis when labor gets in. What will he actually do? I'm genuinely curious, this is not to stir things up.
He built his whole career on LNP hate, what will he do when they're not in?
They said the same thing about Billy Bragg when the Iron Maiden resigned from office. Then he went and recorded William Bloke and Mermaid Avenue with Wilco.
Both highlights of his recording career and included zero references to Thatcher.
Tongue located somewhere near my cheek, but FJ went from being a model to lowbrow Youtuber to onstage comedian to astute political investigator. He's got more outfits than Madonna so I wouldn't worry too much about his next move.
Referencing Billy Bragg... nice stu
The Milkman of human kindness...makes an appearance on SN.
There's Power in a Union.....
And that's partly why they never liked it. (fear of losing power) Not what's more beneficial to society or worker as a whole. See them for what they truly are. Out of touch.
Rob W your right about more independents, fresh people with not only great ideas, but the solutions to the various challenges to good ideas. Whining candidates who belittle and blame everyone else need not apply. The bible says “without a vision the people perish”.
"I can't even find any information about them; labor nominated a lady who was an ICU nurse and that is all we know about her. Nothing else can be found. Straight from a nurse into running a country? No thanks"
HaHaHa, That's right ICU nurses no nothing about anything.
Let's continue to vote for lawyers, party apparatchiks, toadies, wannabes, pretenders, narcissists and 'gurus' from the finance sector. This has lead us to where we are now.
san Guine wrote:"I can't even find any information about them; labor nominated a lady who was an ICU nurse and that is all we know about her. Nothing else can be found. Straight from a nurse into running a country? No thanks"
HaHaHa, That's right ICU nurses no nothing about anything.
Let's continue to vote for lawyers, party apparatchiks, toadies, wannabes, pretenders, narcissists and 'gurus' from the finance sector. This has lead us to where we are now.
Dear lord, here's more snipping of my comments and turning them into something else. I clearly highlighted the same problem with the liberal candidate who comes from the finance circles and has no government experience. And, I also clearly said that I don't support that candidate and won't vote for her. You just chose to ignore that part.
I snipped, you sniped?
Did some one ask for evidence?
Indo look away please!
Achievements Of The Coalition Government
https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/
I focus wrote:Did some one ask for evidence?
Indo look away please!
Achievements Of The Coalition Government
https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/
Thats not evidence of anything, it's some amateur losers blog with a crazy opinionated take on situations half of which is no doubt complete BS.
If he was writing about you going surfing today in a crowded line up, they would most likely write
"I focus, tried to injure people in the water with a pointed sharp piece of fibreglass"
Optimist wrote:They’ll think of something to whine about and someone to hate. We just got through a major plague pretty much in tact with a few errors but we did well. Everyone got money and support but for that the Gov is still rubbish in the eyes of swellnet posters and that was only one of the dramas the gov faced. I’m amazed how much criticism there is but very few ideas to throw around. Easy to be an expert critic but where are the good ideas to discuss….cue crickets.
It seriously does my head in.
Start of Covid everyone was expecting us to go in this deep dark recession, i remember even being corrected by a mate not a recession its going to be a depression, it was going to be a time that made the early 90s recession look good.
And off course people were going to drop like flies from Covid.
Then what happened???
Well the recession lasted a few weeks to months and was only really caused by over the top lockdowns.
The building industry boomed, real estate prices rose, business had trouble filling positions and still are, more the opposite of a recession.
And Covid well we ended up getting one of the highest vax rates in the world and one of the lowest death rates in the world.
Best cases scenario all round, except if you're a serial whinging leftards cause they didn't get enough free shit or something.
Our real problem in Australia is we are spoilt, we have had is good for a very long time, people like to whinge there just isn't much to whinge about sports they whinge about anything, look around the world at the shit others have to put up with, truely live in a lucky country.
I hate to tell you this ID, but not one of those positives you mention are from the LNP's doing. It was just dumb luck on their behalf, not good management.
fitzroy-21 wrote:I hate to tell you this ID, but not one of those positives you mention are from the LNP's doing. It was just dumb luck on their behalf, not good management.
yep, pretty much
to be fair, maybe the avoid recession bit was...
but that wasn't avoided, just diverted to the credit card
you need to look at the numbers indo, how much we spent.... how much is on the credit card.. what we got for it...
and, how long it will take to pay it all off...
fukn ages... (you'd hate for a real recession / disaster to come along over the next 20 - 30 years (which is highly bloody likely!!))
yes labor would have just blown more
(probably not actually, as the libs went full blown keynesian, hence labor being totally gobsmacked and without rebuttal... for a period...)
but I dare say we may have gotten more bang for our buck under labor, because the libs went in full big on announcements, but totally visionless... as seems to be their MO...
Am I being overly cynical. Tweed Shire-Labor held seat, not declared National Disaster area, so flood victims not eligible for extra federal assistance.
Same for SEQ floods-old-Labor held state.
Hope things change, but if not, I will be hoping Cronulla Sharks get wooden spoon in reflection of the poor effort on the Shire's big supporter. Hope Hillsong offers a Counselling service.
sypkan wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:I hate to tell you this ID, but not one of those positives you mention are from the LNP's doing. It was just dumb luck on their behalf, not good management.
yep, pretty much
to be fair, maybe the avoid recession bit was...
but that wasn't avoided, just diverted to the credit card
you need to look at the numbers indo, how much we spent.... how much is on the credit card.. what we got for it...
and, how long it will take to pay it all off...
fukn ages... (you'd hate for a real recession / disaster to come along over the next 20 - 30 years (which is highly bloody likely!!))
yes labor would have just blown more
(probably not actually, as the libs went full blown keynesian, hence labor being totally gobsmacked and without rebuttal... for a period...)
but I dare say we may have gotten more bang for our buck under labor, because the libs went in full big on announcements, but totally visionless... as seems to be their MO...
Yep there was all kinds of Covid related payments and schemes for individuals and business that no doubt keep the economy pretty healthy.
What i liked personally as a tradie was one of the things the government did quite early (end of May 2020) was introduce the Home builder scheme to fuel/support the building industry, while labor are traditionally associated with blue collar workers, im not so sure this would have been Labor's focus, i think they would have focussed on areas LNP neglected like live music/entertainment industry, Universities etc
In my view things have flipped LNP support the building industry, mining, farming etc and Labor neglect these areas.
indo-dreaming wrote:I focus wrote:Did some one ask for evidence?
Indo look away please!
Achievements Of The Coalition Government
https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/Thats not evidence of anything, it's some amateur losers blog with a crazy opinionated take on situations half of which is no doubt complete BS.
If he was writing about you going surfing today in a crowded line up, they would most likely write
"I focus, tried to injure people in the water with a pointed sharp piece of fibreglass"
ID if you actually read it you would have seen the references, still all governments run their course and this mob by any measure have over stayed, when you announce a national emergency 10 days after the emergency for a photo opt to prove late again its quite extortionary.
"I focus, tried to injure people in the water with a pointed sharp piece of fibreglass"
There are times that could be true ha ha.
BTW the states did all the heavy lifting re COVID Morrison gave away $40bil for SFA return I still cannot get my head around that.
In all honesty Indo, I don't know of anyone that predicted the real estate phenomenon during Covid, particularly for regional and rural areas. This in no way, shape or form was an instrument of the governments doing. It was purely market driven, and in turn, that drove the construction boom in those same areas.
We have seen real estate prices double, even triple, in these areas up and down the east coast as people exited the capital cities to avoid lockdowns. Businesses had to make the hard decisions and allowed people to work from home. This in turn made people realise they no longer required to live in the cities and could go and live in these regional/rural areas. Live their dream. They could sell up at a very good price, and pretty well buy in with little to no debt.
Those properties that people bought may not have been exactly what they wanted but they could see the potential with some renovations. All the vacant properties were bought up so then people looked for land. With the land being bought up, they wanted houses built, this has in turn ramped up the construction boom. The flow on effect has been discussed on this site for years now and we know the end result.
My area has tripled in population. It is unbelievable. There are no vacancies anywhere, rent is through the roof, provided you can find anything, and all tradesmen are booked out for months ahead. Can't even get more tradies in as they have nowhere to live.
All this has contributed to our economy ticking along nicely. But as Syp has pointed out, a lot of this is also on credit for many. People have watched what is going on and serious FOMO has set in, contributing to the ever increasing demand and rise in real estate.
But again, I cannot see how anyone could think that this has anything to do with good management by the LNP government. Any government for that matter. It is pure dumb luck.
"ID if you actually read it you would have seen the references, still all governments run their course and this mob by any measure have over stayed, when you announce a national emergency 10 days after the emergency for a photo opt to prove late again its quite extortionary."
this is inconceivable given the history
what do they gain from such stubborness / incompetence?
fitzroy-21 wrote:In all honesty Indo, I don't know of anyone that predicted the real estate phenomenon during Covid, particularly for regional and rural areas. This in no way, shape or form was an instrument of the governments doing. It was purely market driven, and in turn, that drove the construction boom in those same areas.
We have seen real estate prices double, even triple, in these areas up and down the east coast as people exited the capital cities to avoid lockdowns. Businesses had to make the hard decisions and allowed people to work from home. This in turn made people realise they no longer required to live in the cities and could go and live in these regional/rural areas. Live their dream. They could sell up at a very good price, and pretty well buy in with little to no debt.
Those properties that people bought may not have been exactly what they wanted but they could see the potential with some renovations. All the vacant properties were bought up so then people looked for land. With the land being bought up, they wanted houses built, this has in turn ramped up the construction boom. The flow on effect has been discussed on this site for years now and we know the end result.
My area has tripled in population. It is unbelievable. There are no vacancies anywhere, rent is through the roof, provided you can find anything, and all tradesmen are booked out for months ahead. Can't even get more tradies in as they have nowhere to live.
All this has contributed to our economy ticking along nicely. But as Syp has pointed out, a lot of this is also on credit for many. People have watched what is going on and serious FOMO has set in, contributing to the ever increasing demand and rise in real estate.
But again, I cannot see how anyone could think that this has anything to do with good management by the LNP government. Any government for that matter. It is pure dumb luck.
not even dumb luck
just dumb...
if you want to look at it from a good management point of view... they totally overcooked it, the stimulus was badly targeted, creating all sorts of problems for quite some time to come
good if you are in the trades I guess, but kinda fucked up a heap of things for everyone else
but indo's right, the libs have totally poached the trades, not just with this little venture. its been quite a process...
but yeh, not sure that little buying exercise can survive this latest fuck up
you'd have to consider the morrison government done, which Im not overly overjoyed about, as labor just continue to air that feeling of absolutely no confidence
none whatsoever...
When the crash/correction comes, and it will come, it is gonna be ugly. Particularly for regional rural areas.
And I am in neither court politically.
I am astounded at the absolute continual shitfuckery and incompetence of Scummo and his entire team in every facet of their governance, or should I say "lack of". I cannot put into words how bad they really are, and they just seem to get worse by the day.
But I am also yet to be convinced that Albo and his team are gonna do any better.
This is by no means that I have any intention to back LNP at the election though, absolutely zero chance of that happening.
fitzroy-21 wrote:When the crash/correction comes, and it will come, it is gonna be ugly. Particularly for regional rural areas.
And I am in neither court politically.
I am astounded at the absolute continual shitfuckery and incompetence of Scummo and his entire team in every facet of their governance, or should I say "lack of". I cannot put into words how bad they really are, and they just seem to get worse by the day.
But I am also yet to be convinced that Albo and his team are gonna do any better.
This is by no means that I have any intention to back LNP at the election though, absolutely zero chance of that happening.
absolutely me to a tee
I honestly cannot understand how labor can still appear so useless and unappealing against such a backdrop of shitfuckery...
it probably is time for a change, because as you say, morrison and co. just break new grounds of fucked up-ness every day, but I literally fear what labor offer as an alternative
how does it even come to this?
sypkan wrote:I honestly cannot understand how labor can still appear so useless and unappealing against such a backdrop of shitfuckery...
it probably is time for a change, because as you say, morrison and co. just break new grounds of fucked up-ness every day, but I literally fear what labor offer as an alternative
how does it even come to this?
The million dollar question is.....Can they be any worse than what we have got currently? Surely not....but then again....how can we be sure?
Surely no one expected this mob would be this bad.
As you say, how does it even come to this?
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