The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices

bluediamond started the topic in

Sunday, 25 Jul 2021 at 1:26pm

Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
Love Blue Diamond x

Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.

Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.

Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.

The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.

Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??

Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

gsco Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:39pm

velocityjohnno wrote:
+2.

Went over to the ABC to get their editorials on what happened and they are on a different planet.

The ABC is like a broken, malfunctioning large language model AI bot trained on a highly selective, biased dataset and stuck in an infinite loop of spamming that the Yes vote lost because of misinformation, fake news, lies, far right Trumpian politics, no bipartisan support, the evil conservative right, fascism, racism, fear, ignorance and stupidity of the uneducated serf masses, etc.

They’re going next level with blaming it on everyone and everything else except that it was a bad policy and idea to start with that was executed and sold (by them) to the public in an even worse way.

Next on the agenda from the ALP will be a push for the ACMA disinformation/misinformation laws to get passed so the progressive left can censor the views of the conservative centre-right on social media and stifle free speech and debate. Right now the ABC is doing the dirty work of labelling everything from the conservative centre-right as disinformation, but it seems that the wider public can see straight through it now after two years of the same treatment during Covid.

Unfortunately in the end it’s the Aboriginal Australians on the receiving end and now having to wear the outcome of The Voice. I feel very bad for those who got their hopes up and then shattered by the progressive left’s identity politics mistake.

frog Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:23pm

Being progressive gives permission to accept strange or worse behaviour if the person doing the behaviour has the right identity credentials.

https://www.smh.com.au/education/millions-flow-to-noel-pearson-s-educati...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-28/pearson-abuse-claims-straining-re...

Imagine the Voice under such leadership? Would the quieter FNP get heard or bullied into line?
Would it have been poorly targeted and executed like the campaign just run? - my guess is yes.

Would anyone from the left media even dare ask such questions during the campaign and risk being excommunicated at work and socially?

Jelly Flater Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:17pm

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GuySmiley Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:24pm

andy-mac wrote:
gsco wrote:
andy-mac then you may need to enlighten university humanities departments across the globe with your wisdom that they're full of shit - they're the ones peddling this western Marxist claptrap, as reflected in the voting patterns of the Yes vote: inner city, younger, uni educated (brought up on a steady diet of 3 square meals per day of critical race theory, which is all that's taught nowadays)

basesix:
1. quite possibly nothing is as it seems
2. opti used to be a forums stalwart until the hardline history-denying western Marxists finally broke him by denying the central importance of Christianity and engaging in their typical tribal cancel culture abuse. I was nice to him btw and valued his views.
3. challenge me

Well you're the one working in a University.
Way I see it, we have a media landscape dominated by Murdoch, who is 100% behind the LNP. Then there is Nine media whose chairman is Peter Costello, again may have a little more sense of balance, but pro LNP all the way. AFR included.
ABC had board stacked by previous conservative govts, and now with all their main presenters ex Murdoch. All pushing IPA , LNP objectives. ABC tries to give impression of balance, but goes harder on Labor pollies than LNP. If a reporter goes hard on LNP such as Michaela Cash, Ita will sack them on spot as happened.
And you say we are being over run with a woke Marxist agenda.
Geez they must be active on tiktok as the only time I hear about the danger of neo Marxist ideas is when I read articles from even more right wing publications such as Quadrant and your comments here.
Anyway I've said enough. Sad time for Australia where we cannot recognise our FNP in the constitution and give them a non binding Voice on how to improve their situation....
But hey keep throwing the shit and misinformation.
Ciao.

Agree AndyM

sypkan Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:39pm

Pop Down wrote:
Mac - I agree .
Anything could be full of shit so I read the article twice .
I removed the words ( and a paragraph ) Marxist , woke and Identity politics the second time .
It's not full of shit , mostly facts imho !

yep

I think such articles would have much more impact if they avoided such terms

same goes for gsco's posts

the problem is... identity politics is as old as the hills, however, we've gone from this...

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

to this...

"...Identity politics is a philosophy that interprets liberal society as divided between exploiting and victim classes. In the 19th and for half of the 20th century, these classes were deemed to be capitalists and proletariat. Today these classes are based on race and gender.

Married with a humanitarian rhetoric, this divisive philosophy treats all Aboriginal people for the purposes of policy as a race, and, almost imperceptibly, has taken hold of the country’s ruling elites. The flaws of this modern version of Marxism, however, damned the Voice as a viable project.

Identity politics explains the government’s failure to make a rational case for the Voice, for identity politics is an ideology, immune from rational dispute, and determinedly blind to contrary ideas. It is an ideology that deplores disagreement and regularly threatens cancellation and censorship through cries of “disinformation”..."

there has clearly been a change...

and it's near impossible to capture the magnitude of that change, without expessions like... 'marxism' 'woke' 'identity politics' 'neo-marxist' etc. etc.

it is well known, well documented, and even widely accepted... that the universities have gone down the post modernist path for decades of which neo-marxism is clearly a thing...

fouccalt and his bros. and all that..

the question is;

does it have legs?

does it stack up?

is it fad, fashion, or fact?

was it useful with a used by date?

my take... no, did, yes, yes, no, yes

soggydog Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:30pm

gsco wrote:
andy-mac then you may need to enlighten university humanities departments across the globe with your wisdom that they're full of shit - they're the ones peddling this western Marxist claptrap, as reflected in the voting patterns of the Yes vote: inner city, younger, uni educated (brought up on a steady diet of 3 square meals per day of critical race theory, which is all that's taught nowadays)

basesix:
1. quite possibly nothing is as it seems
2. opti used to be a forums stalwart until the hardline history-denying western Marxists finally broke him by denying the central importance of Christianity and engaging in their typical tribal cancel culture abuse. I was nice to him btw and valued his views.
3. challenge me

But it is amplified by the right, just like on this forum. A few blue hair confused University kids might get up to some dubious arguments but the general left leaning voter is not an identity politics obsessed elite. The obsession is with the conservative side of politics, the message is amplified and an enemy created out of nothing. I’ve asked a mate this very question. “Where do you encounter the subject or are confronting the issue of gender politics the most. In your day to day or in your social media- news algorithms?” This is a very important question to ask your self.

I’ve just got back from a pretty fun surf, even called the school a pulled the girl out so she could get a few too.

You blokes sure don’t waste time. Indo didn’t want to gloat but holy moly the carcass is going to be picked clean.

soggydog Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:30pm

gsco wrote:
andy-mac then you may need to enlighten university humanities departments across the globe with your wisdom that they're full of shit - they're the ones peddling this western Marxist claptrap, as reflected in the voting patterns of the Yes vote: inner city, younger, uni educated (brought up on a steady diet of 3 square meals per day of critical race theory, which is all that's taught nowadays)

basesix:
1. quite possibly nothing is as it seems
2. opti used to be a forums stalwart until the hardline history-denying western Marxists finally broke him by denying the central importance of Christianity and engaging in their typical tribal cancel culture abuse. I was nice to him btw and valued his views.
3. challenge me

I’ve just got back from a pretty fun surf, even called the school a pulled the girl out so she could get a few too.

You blokes sure don’t waste time. Indo didn’t want to gloat but holy moly the carcass is going to be picked clean.

sypkan Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 8:55pm

"...but the general left leaning voter is not an identity politics obsessed elite..."

I think the word you are looking for is 'was'...

you're right, it is totally amplified by the right ...sensing they are on a winner...

only because large parts of the left are critical of this loopyness too!

such things as the 'intellectual dark web' didn't feel the necessity to develope so they could give nazis a voice...

gsco Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 9:16pm

consider this sentence from the critical race theory wiki page:

"CRT scholars argue that...the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order, where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes."

This summarises the central idea behind The Voice: that our liberal, parliamentary democracy governed by a racially neutral (colour-blind) constitution and characterised by (colour-blind) equality before the law is in fact not only defective and inadequate but is causing and engraining racially unjust and discriminatory outcomes.

It's only in the completely bizarre, insane world of CRT that one is accused of racism by supporting and advocating for neutral colour-blind legal and political institutions based on the underlying principle of colour-blind equal rights.

The Voice == Critical Race Theory

indo-dreaming Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 9:17pm

All this ABC talk got me curious, so had a look, all those analyst to me just shows how out of touch they are with the majority of everyday Australian's outside of city centres.

BTW. looking at the ABC Live results, I think the result is going to get even worse for the Yes camp 79% nationally of votes have been counted so a lot of postal votes to come which will mostly be from country areas mostly older voters, most of those votes you would expect to be No votes, especially from QLD, WA, NT that have only had 63% to 76% counted.

It's currently Yes=39.3% No=60.7% going to be interesting to see where it eventually lands.

basesix Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 9:26pm

consider the language used above, lovely olde timey pappy o'danell stuff..

soggydog Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 9:58pm

gsco wrote:
consider this sentence from the critical race theory wiki page:

"CRT scholars argue that...the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order, where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes."

This summarises the central idea behind The Voice: that our liberal, parliamentary democracy governed by a racially neutral (colour-blind) constitution and characterised by (colour-blind) equality before the law is in fact not only defective and inadequate but is causing and engraining racially unjust and discriminatory outcomes.

It's only in the completely bizarre, insane world of CRT that one is accused of racism by supporting and advocating for neutral colour-blind legal and political institutions based on the underlying principle of colour-blind equal rights.

The Voice == Critical Race Theory

So apart from the idea being discussed, which discussion should be healthy. You’ve had to deal with the actual issue of critical race theory once in how many years? I’m at 1 out of 48. And critical race theory lost. What’s the problem?

Pop Down Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 10:17pm

Indo - There is nothing to learn from the final result imo .
They should stop the counting and the waste , now .

seeds Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 10:57pm

It’s an ego thing for Indo. Wants to graduate to a self righteous boomer windbag like a lot on here.
Still in his formative years though, getting the old and new testacles mixed up, sheesh; it’s glaringly obvious.

southernraw Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 11:11pm

Look away now ABC haters.

And for what it's worth, my home town overwhelmingly voted Yes over No as well, so it's not all doom and gloom.
Would hardly class the majority of people making up the population here as elites! hahaha!!!!!
Just glad i don't live in an area that is heavily populated with No voters. Sounds like hell.

indo-dreaming Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 11:35pm

Pop Down wrote:
Indo - There is nothing to learn from the final result imo .
They should stop the counting and the waste , now .

I dont agree there is heaps to learn from the result.

Its interesting to see how different seats and demographic's voted.

Like that the Yes vote is in the city centres and high income belts and the no vote gets stronger the further you go from the cities.

Or that very high multicultural areas like West Sydney all voted No

Or that people didn't really vote too much along party lines (with exception of Greens)

Or that in remote areas where there is Indigenous communities while the Aboriginal people did vote mostly in favour the overall No vote was very high.

These things are very interesting and we can learn from them.

In regards to overall percentages and national percentage even thats important a lot we already knew from general elections like QLD especially north of built up areas is very conservative, but some results are surprising, Vic for instance is pretty progressive and while still had the highest Yes vote by state it was still 45% No, i was thinking it would be the only Yes state or be much closer.

I think the overall vote percentage is also important the more it favours the No side the more it shows, how Australia saw this issue.

Its just a pity that campaign budgets were not much more even, if they had been things could have been even worse for the Yes vote.

@Seeds Give it a week or so mate, your butt will feel much better.

@ Supa, happy to say my electorate voted 66.5% in favour of No

seeds Monday, 16 Oct 2023 at 11:30pm

Ha I knew it wasn’t getting up months ago. No difference to my life then or now. That’s the sad part because it’s same for you. Windbag! Butt hurt, geez!

truebluebasher Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:44am

Returning thanx to insightful crew whose comments ring equally true.

tbb will continue in neutral spirit and also from early observations...

Wot Oz media keep tripping over without once noticing...

Poorest & least educated with no Voice booklets & least time scored high distinctions in Voice Test.
Those with smart phones & voted when it suited them didn't know so voted [No] Won the Booby Prize.

Albo refused to wear YES 23 (vs) Dutto refused to wear Divisive [NO]
Yet expert analysts worm around the stampede of elephants in the portaloo.

Dutto 2x Reffos + 20m Don't Know Books + Mandated-Manipulated Votes + 99% Oz Booth Wrap Bill.
AEC Reffo Bill : Cry Baby Dutto $449m (vs) Albo $40 new pair of Joggerz

tbb has promised twice to share book of secrets on [Yes] Albo's invisible cape...
Pre-ramble
[L] Aboriginal 1967 Reffo Exploitation ramped up retaliation by Redfern ground up legal advocates!
1967-1999 Revised by Indy Peter Andren (1996-2002) Treaty Paper
http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/journals/ILB/2002/68.html
1999 [Don't know Vote NO] booklet Author Peter Andren blocking Howard's ramble!
Peter Andren's Staffer > Tim Payne Syd Uni (see 2022 Election)
https://theconversation.com/profiles/tim-payne-1357349

Oct 2007 Howard's Deathrattle Reffo...
Dec 2015 Abbott > Turnbull appoints Referendum Council
Oct 2016 Constitutional Voice Paper
May 2017 Uluru Statement from the Heart

Please read the following as contrived fasttracking to save Volumes...not a fair description but concise.

*Start ...
2022 Election PM Albo + July Reffo call
June Albo cuts Indie funding > ( Andren's indy advocate Syd Uni Tim Payne savages Albo )
https://theconversation.com/cutting-crossbench-mps-staffing-would-be-a-s...
Andren staffer Payne's response is cited as gospel by all 2022 Indy / Teals
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/albanese-need...
Andren's passionate Indy / Treaty legacy splits hope of Albo uniting Indy [YES] (See Indy break-up)
Albo summoned his own Ominous dark clouds to rumble over Voice beginnings.
Factcheck : All indies were obliged to back / form any other [Yes] team than Albos.(Not a perfect start!)

Breaking up of [Yes] Camp Votes

ATSIC Land Council leans right into Secret men's business > Mining Claims / Corporate deals
Voice Men = Noel Pearson / (Preacher Man) Pat Dobson
Constitutional Voice = (Land bank Policy) Perfect for Mining / $ Corp-Lawyers / Banks
Self determined vast claims leased to Great North Magnate's low wage low tax Happy Meal State

[ yes 23 ] = Top End Big Bucks ~ Corps bankrolling Big States land > Banks / Mining / Energy
Ex Qld treasurer Andrew Fraser runs it like a state...
Premiers : WA Roger Cook #1 Voice Resource wore out his [yes 23] Wardrobe
WA [L] K Wyatt Yes 34%
NSW Premier Minns Alt Yellow Colour (Cap over his face / Dark Glasses Disguise)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=748027507131044&set=pb.100057714...
Tas Star Power : (1 Perfectly Framed-Money Shot) Andrew Wilkie = 58%
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=881066643385821&set=pb.100044474...
Qld : (Perfectly Framed AFL Suns Corp Promo) Linda Burney = 44%
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/09/11/76321709-12608715-Indigenous_...
eg : All of Simon's Power Rangers
Teals [Yes] Alegra 62% Zali 59% Kylea 59% Zoe 56% Kate 51% Sophie 50% + Helen 32% (Huh!)
Review of Helen maybe once a Hidden Yes Shirt (Sold Neutral) Mixed /(Yes}] sample bag booths.
Helen is 98.9% clean > Pocock 100% (below) > no control of the yo-yo shitshow engulfing them!
Leaving voters open to Question this pair's alliance!

[ Yes 23 ]Linda 44%
PM allows [yes 23 ] Corps to trespass other Voice campaigners!
https://www.yes23.com.au/organisations_for_yes
Voice Aboriginal leaders were never comfortable cross dressing with [yes 23] Corp sponsors
Photos show Albo knew this...had to convince crew to suck it up for Cameras & Corp bucks!
Regional Booths were overwhelmed or creeped out by yuppie YES 23
Media just see democracy but YES 23 is a Rainbow of meatball sized hail...duck!
tbb has faith in this crew to instinctively know why Media fail in their duty to see this!
Just sayin' all see wot went down with [ yes 23 ] Qld Mining Land Corp (Die Yuppie Die)
Qldurrz do apologize for throwing [Yes 23] Grenades into [yes] Show Bags...{KABOOM}

(Above) Secret Men's Booming Voice croaks it...
..........................................................................................
(Below) Little Women are seen but not heard....
.
ATSIC Human Rights leans left into is Little Women's business > UN / Corp Cred > Justice / Health
Voice Women = Pat Anderson / Megan Davis
Voice / Makarrata -Treaty / Truth = UN Healing > Global Corps > VIPs > Me too women

(,( Voice Treaty Truth )') PM Albo (Banned Merch!)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/24/02/63084295-12329759-
Prime_Minister_Anthony_Albanese_rocked_out_at_the_Midnight_Oil_f-a-35_1690163208108.jpg
{( Yes )} mid strength ~ Unions + ALP (Left) - PM = 75% / Qld Premier (Disguised)
( Also ) Tas Premier =27% campaigned with [L] B Archer = 38% wearing ALP {(Yes)}
https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/8386867/no-plans-for-state-based-vo...
{ yes } Lite ( Alt Blue Colours) ~UN > Unions > Women > Charities > Sports + Vic Premier JA
, yes ' Ultra -Lite > Cross Party ~ NP > Indie Andrew Gee = 30% ( see below)
{ Green } Last minute Hybrid [Yes 23] ( Collectable )

~Yes~ United Workers Union / Central Land Council ~ Barbara Shaw (Co Chair)

\We support Uluru Statement / Megan Davis + Pat Anderson ~ Reconciliation NSW Redfern
1967 Reffo Core > Ground up Voluntary Legal Rights group (History is Calling)
Monique Ryan (Busted by Pauline) > (Went Solo)
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/d983e073676abad7454e67ac5808f227

Feb-May 2023 Monique Ryan > Launches (Hippie Chix Brand) I'm Voting {{yes}} = 60%
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=261479076391123&set=pb.100075870...

NT CLC Chief Natasha Fyles> Links to [Yes 23] + Uluru Statement
https://scontent.fbne6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/381445919_796288382...

/ Together Yes \ Women' Business (Links to Yes 23)

Perfect Storm of what went wrong (This is a great starting point) Run with this one...
(YES) Lite Calare NP Andrew Gee quit Nationals + Orange / Indigenous-Councilor Vote [YES]
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/westernplains-breakfast/gerald-po...
Andren Tribute Voice Panel here with Pocock (no brand) +Gee [Lite] + [Yes 23] Yuppies
see : 4x opposing [YES] Brands across booths (Maximising confusion)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=758521249415251&set=pb.100057721...

[yes] Counter Forum...Mob say Council / Forum should be neutral
sbs insightful preview (8% pop 3,000 Wiradjuri Mob ~500 dialects alone) ...Result [Yes 30%]
Nationals call on Gee to resign...(Heavy Shit!)
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/this-regional-town-council-has-backe...

[Yes] Zero branded Pollies
SA Premier (Likely a staffer pinned on his > only 1 rushed {yes} badge)
Vic Premier Dan Andrews
Tas Premier Jeremy Rockliff (re : above ALP Yes Campaigning on D day)
Teal Helen Haines is least branded Yes Women Pollie

[no] Brand Dutto = 66%
Dutto never even made Top 50% Winners Circle.
Albo #2 Oz Yes Vote > 9% higher local support than fully wrapped Dutto Booth!

PS : In light of overwhelming calls of Husting's Hate crimes...
tbb recently tabled ramp in Sacred Site desecration > next level power cutting tools
Also an eary review of signage graffiti...continues...

Early Publicised [YES] Sign damage levelled off ...
Resulting in Extremely Low Tally > less vandalism when compared to Fed Election Rampage).
It reads that ramping Equal [X] > Teams [YES vs NO] Reffo is less vindictive than Candidate Hate!

100's of Ai Australian / Aboriginal Flags were desecrated by [NO] camp frontier War.
10 or more > Speed Signs (110 > NO)
10 or more > [ yes > NO > YES]
10 or more > Theft (vs) Compared to 2022 Fed Election = 1,000s / 1 Electorate
5 or less > xxx Insults xxx # Cut Up # // Kicked over //
No Old School Graffiti : $ @ Dick Picks/Devil Horns/Asians/Swastikas/Hitler Mo's/Beards/Black Teeth
No [Racist Tags] WTF...Is that correct...tbb ran several race search combos = Zero! Ask Scrutineer...
Green Ant Bully : "Reffo was 1st Acid Test on Govt Banned # Symbols > deterring hate tagging!" Fuck!

No Sign died during this review all underwent emergency makeshift repairs...all good ( Luv Straya!)

seeds Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:20am

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gsco Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 7:00am

Right on cue this morning: The Voice campaign was infected with disinformation. Who's in charge of inoculating Australians against lies?

We are living in dangerous times.

Our own government funded news service is a militant progressive left activist outfit.

It is accusing and implicating only the No vote and conservative centre-right of misinformation. It is calling for the large scale censorship of the conservative centre-right and the suppression of free speech and debate. It is contemptuous of the majority decisions and wishes of the population whenever they align with the conservative centre-right's policies and not with its own activist progressive agenda.

The biggest threat to free speech and democracy is the new age progressive left.

The west is now facing a choice between its own cultural revolution or modern day renaissance of its defining values and heritage.

Pop Down Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 7:13am

It happens with both sides , gsco .
No one is willing to say I got it wrong , in today's world .
If something is tried , doesn't work , they never think to stop .
NO , they think we didn't do enough . Let's give it a bigger go !

gsco Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 8:48am

true Pop Down.

Here, the ABC would be better off by saying something like:

"We got it wrong with The Voice. We should not have been activist and taken sides, since that's not our role in the media or overall society. We respect the decision and wisdom of the people, which is far greater than ours. We respect and celebrate the democratic process, free speech and debate, and our overall system of government based on the principle of equal rights and nondiscrimination upon the basis of race or any other aspect of a person's background."

And that's it, nothing more.

Then they should go back to neutral, factual media reporting instead of militant progressive left activism.

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 9:08am

A positive post, just saw this and some of our most loved AFL players.

We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division.

A Salty Dog Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 9:16am

sypkan wrote:
A Salty Dog wrote:
sypkan wrote:
it's the same with the ndis

if labor don't take those ridiculous spiralling out of control numbers seriously soon...

they'll soon lose that 'principle' too

Ah yes, the NDIS.

Those out of control spiralling costs are largely due to your fellow taxpayer rorting the system and ultimately you.

Those service providers found to be acting fraudulently , apart from any criminal penalty, be banned from receiving any taxpayer funded benefit such as medicare, PBS etc for life.

getting a bit accusational there salty one

when actually, the opportunities I've resisted...

perfectly legitimate ones (see above)

gawd knows why I bother

the inherent design encourages otherwise...

I should buy some tuning forks and increase my prices to match the premium for 'therapuetic practice'

'research' and 'evidence based' practice of course...

apparently...

but not!

Sypkan

Sorry I missed this.

Read my comment again please, I’m not accusing you of anything. I wasn’t even aware you worked in the industry.

I’m more than pleased you don’t participate in any dubious activity, but many providers do and you can’t blame the Government for that. Ultimately it is the taxpayer who bears the cost.

It’s up to you if you wish to do something about it, but remember the standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

Cheers!

Pop Down Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 9:24am

gsco
I would leave the plural We , in the first sentence .
Then replace ALL the we's with I's .
Your ABC statement then could be applied to most Australians .
Fighting in a referendum is sooo uncool imo !

burleigh Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 9:27am

gsco wrote:
true Pop Down.

Here, the ABC would be better off by saying something like:

"We got it wrong with The Voice. We should not have been activist and taken sides, since that's not our role in the media or overall society. We respect the decision and wisdom of the people, which is far greater than ours. We respect and celebrate the democratic process, free speech and debate, and our overall system of government based on the principle of equal rights and nondiscrimination upon the basis of race or any other aspect of a person's background."

And that's it, nothing more.

Then they should go back to neutral, factual media reporting instead of militant progressive left activism.

Covid stopped any chance of neutral media. It was all militant and the public lapped it up.

Now we are here.

flollo Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:32am

gsco wrote:
Right on cue this morning: The Voice campaign was infected with disinformation. Who's in charge of inoculating Australians against lies?

We are living in dangerous times.

Our own government funded news service is a militant progressive left activist outfit.

It is accusing and implicating only the No vote and conservative centre-right of misinformation. It is calling for the large scale censorship of the conservative centre-right and the suppression of free speech and debate. It is contemptuous of the majority decisions and wishes of the population whenever they align with the conservative centre-right's policies and not with its own activist progressive agenda.

The biggest threat to free speech and democracy is the new age progressive left.

The west is now facing a choice between its own cultural revolution or modern day renaissance of its defining values and heritage.

This is absolutely ridiculous from ABC. So nearly 2/3 of the voters are dumb enough to succumb to this high-power conspiracy? What is the overarching assumption here, that most people are too stupid to make their own decisions? Good luck with that approach.

roc-k Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:47am

indo-dreaming wrote:
A positive post, just saw this and some of our most loved AFL players.

We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division.

roc-k Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:57am

That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

velocityjohnno Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 11:01am

flollo wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous from ABC. So nearly 2/3 of the voters are dumb enough to succumb to this high-power conspiracy? What is the overarching assumption here, that most people are too stupid to make their own decisions? Good luck with that approach.

This is exactly what happened with London based elites after Brexit, they vented at the voters and were incapable (it took months) of analysing 'why' it happened. They didn't learn from this, for Boris Johnson pushed over the 'red wall' (traditional UK Labour voters) in 2019. Here in Australia at present, the traditional working class vote has been utterly abandoned by the party of the similar name; it's more akin to the uni student guild than a working class suburb. Who will speak for these voters?

Reflecting from yesterday, I'm not surprised the left/elite/graduate whatever you want to call them media are acting the way they are, I'm more surprised that the term 'cultural Marxism' actually got printed in an editorial in one of our biggest mainstream finance papers...

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 11:05am

roc-k wrote:
That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

Sorry i didnt mean my post to interpreted in suggesting they supported the No vote or anything like that..

When i wrote "We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division."

That was my view as "We" Australia being majority.

sypkan Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 11:08am

flollo wrote:
gsco wrote:
Right on cue this morning: The Voice campaign was infected with disinformation. Who's in charge of inoculating Australians against lies?

We are living in dangerous times.

Our own government funded news service is a militant progressive left activist outfit.

It is accusing and implicating only the No vote and conservative centre-right of misinformation. It is calling for the large scale censorship of the conservative centre-right and the suppression of free speech and debate. It is contemptuous of the majority decisions and wishes of the population whenever they align with the conservative centre-right's policies and not with its own activist progressive agenda.

The biggest threat to free speech and democracy is the new age progressive left.

The west is now facing a choice between its own cultural revolution or modern day renaissance of its defining values and heritage.

This is absolutely ridiculous from ABC. So nearly 2/3 of the voters are dumb enough to succumb to this high-power conspiracy? What is the overarching assumption here, that most people are too stupid to make their own decisions? Good luck with that approach.

that's what they're saying

or, at a minimum assuming...

love lara tingle, but her conduct around this referendum has been disappoiting to say the least

wake up abc

or at least, grow up a bit

A Salty Dog Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 11:27am

indo-dreaming wrote:
roc-k wrote:
That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

Sorry i didnt mean my post to interpreted in suggesting they supported the No vote or anything like that..

When i wrote "We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division."

That was my view as "We" Australia being majority.

It was portrayed to show those players as supporting the No Campaign.

Just asking

Where did you see the map, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or....???

truebluebasher Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 11:55am

Faceless Men put on their best face.
Past Aboriginal Reffos were exploited by Libs for mass Gerrymandering & shutting Republic down.

ALP legislated Aboriginal enrolment above all, seemingly to sure up 10 swing seats of power.

While all are skirting around the here and now the faceless men are crunching numbers.

This being the ultimate acid test for ALP in these Stacked Marginal "Aboriginal Seats"
ALP plan was to exploit Aboriginal Reffo to ramp enrolment to lock in 10 seats to secure Fed election.
We now know in theory the plan accords well with 75% of Aboriginals backing ALP Sentiment.

Default National Vote 39%
(Meaning if Seat swing falls within National % on most contentious Vote in Oz history)
Then ALP have likely locked in swing seat supporters for several terms of Govt...(That's the Plan!)
Should % slip to outer swing margins then that isolates ALP weak spots to target care packages.
$450m of someone else's money is a Win Win either way..."Ultimate Pork Barrel!"
Crew : "How bloody dare you mock our Democracy tbb...Wot!"

[Disclaimer] tbb's family line...
Sec ... of Fed / State Parties / Councils / Union Heads / Free masons / AEC / QEC etc...
Yes! This Party included...very high up..just sayin' but don't need to say more...
Just that tbb is neutral ...not enrolled or member of any and seldom discuss or associate!

V=39% / 2022 % Margin = % Extreme Acid Test Margin State / Seat

35/7% = 3% NT Solomon
29/6% = -4% nsw Hunter
35/3% = 1% nsw Dobell
29/2.5% = -7.5% Qld Blair
44/2% = 7% NT Lingari
43/2% = 6% nsw Macquarie
40/1.5% = 2.5% nsw Eden/Monaro
36/1.5% = - 1.5% WA Cowan
46/0.5% = 7.5% Qld Lilley
38/0.3% = -0.7% nsw Gilmore

[L] Held safe padded marginal Aboriginal swing Seats
28/9% = 1% WA Durack
35/7% = -3% Qld Leichhardt > (3% swing to ALP in Qld mind you / Shock!)

Table tells us that...
5 ALP Wins
1 [L] Gain
4 ALP Marginal
1 [L] Marginal
2 ALP Loses
Faceless men need only examine these last 2 losses & why.
Green Ant Bully : "Coz these are Voice #1 Racial Battlegrounds"
But why? ...crew & all know well why...well durr!

Nat Party Quangos > xxx//[Aborigines]\\xxx < Coal Union Frontline

Secret Women's Business
Pauline was first to draft 1999 [NO] case + 2023 [NO] case
Keep all yer other wannabe Club wielding She Devils outta Pauline's Frontier Wars
tbb was born in Ipswich & knows the way to the Red Hot Chippie!

Green Ant Bully : "Pauline's Fish'n'Chip Paper Verdict!"

ALP are stealin' our Farms & are now refusing to eat our Coal
The Abos are runnin' the Town.
ALP are a pack of Unaustralian Abo luvin' bastards!

Faceless Men : "We fail to see the Problem...let's go over it again..."

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:29pm

A Salty Dog wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
roc-k wrote:
That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

Sorry i didnt mean my post to interpreted in suggesting they supported the No vote or anything like that..

When i wrote "We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division."

That was my view as "We" Australia being majority.

It was portrayed to show those players as supporting the No Campaign.

Just asking

Where did you see the map, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or....???

Facebook.

Re looking at the post i can totally see how people could read it like that, in hindsight it was really sloppy of me and i apologise, but like i said there was absolutely no intent whatsoever to portray them to be supporting the No case or the Yes case.

If there any subtle point to my post it was to highlight how many Aboriginal players there are in the AFL to show how successfully Aboriginal people can be when they dont buy into the victim and grievance mentality and instead strive to be better and put in the hard yards.

Pop Down Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:35pm

TBB
Really ???
"Red hot Clili Pepper s in Fish and Chip Shops "
Mate .
Pretend I am Mr Referendum .
IF you contact me the answer is an STRONG NO on fucken everything !!!
Unless , you fucken pesky Yes people , can CONVINCE the majority of Australians to join you .
Fuck off and do some work .
And let me tell you . Don't fuck around with them . You have to do your work .
There can be NO vacuums in your case ( shit will fill it ) .
They will . INDIVIDUALLY , do their homework as , referendums Yes or No's are an individual choice .
I have known Australians a lot longer than you .
When really needed , you can rely on them .
ps Don't trust the pollies and media . Keep surfing .
Chow - The Ref.

Referendums are old fashioned and grumpy , like me .

A Salty Dog Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 12:48pm

indo-dreaming wrote:
A Salty Dog wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
roc-k wrote:
That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

Sorry i didnt mean my post to interpreted in suggesting they supported the No vote or anything like that..

When i wrote "We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division."

That was my view as "We" Australia being majority.

It was portrayed to show those players as supporting the No Campaign.

Just asking

Where did you see the map, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or....???

Facebook.

Re looking at the post i can totally see how people could read it like that, in hindsight it was really sloppy of me and i apologise, but like i said there was absolutely no intent whatsoever to portray them to be supporting the No case or the Yes case.

If there any subtle point to my post it was to highlight how many Aboriginal players there are in the AFL to show how successfully Aboriginal people can be when they dont buy into the victim and grievance mentality and instead strive to be better and put in the hard yards.

I don't use Facebook or any of the others, but my guess is someone posted it to support the NO Campaign. And it appears you initially fell for it.

See gsco's comment above regarding misinformation on the net.

There are many successful Indigenous AFL players over the years, who did strive to be better and put in all the hard work to achieve that and didn't buy into the victim mentality. They are an absolute delight to watch.

But look at the way Adam Goodes and Eddie Betts for example, were treated by the football viewing public. Utterly disgraceful conduct by predominately white spectators.

When will that change?

Cheers.

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 1:00pm

No it was a positive post that didnt have anything to do with yes or no thing.

A Salty Dog Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 1:10pm

indo-dreaming wrote:
No it was a positive post that didnt have anything to do with yes or no thing.

I found the post.

Positive ? I doubt it.

Some interesting comments there.

Now tell me racism no longer exists.

gsco Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 1:26pm

so it was in fact rok-k spreading the misinformation by trying to imply that it was No voter misinformation and that Indo got fooled by it…sneaky Yes voter misinformation?

The real point is that both the Yes and No campaigns spread an equal amount of misinformation in The Voice disaster. To single out only one side is itself lies and misinformation…ahh the hypocrisy of the ABC..

southernraw Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 1:16pm

indo-dreaming wrote:
A Salty Dog wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
roc-k wrote:
That map was originally created to represent the various language groups and representation. Some of those players listed were supporting the Yes campaign so I think it’s fake

Sorry i didnt mean my post to interpreted in suggesting they supported the No vote or anything like that..

When i wrote "We voted No because its time to walk together as one not create further division."

That was my view as "We" Australia being majority.

It was portrayed to show those players as supporting the No Campaign.

Just asking

Where did you see the map, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or....???

Facebook.

Re looking at the post i can totally see how people could read it like that, in hindsight it was really sloppy of me and i apologise, but like i said there was absolutely no intent whatsoever to portray them to be supporting the No case or the Yes case.

If there any subtle point to my post it was to highlight how many Aboriginal players there are in the AFL to show how successfully Aboriginal people can be when they dont buy into the victim and grievance mentality and instead strive to be better and put in the hard yards.

Sounds like bullshit backpedalling to me Indo....and..it had me fooled at first....
But if you genuinely didn't post if for that, fair enough, and well played to own it.

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 3:06pm

If i was posting for some other reason, id admit it, its not like im shy about expressing my view's here.

Its interesting though how we can post things with one intention while then our post are often perceived as another thing, in this case though, once i read it back after rock-k post i can totally see how it was taken the wrong way.

Id call this one more misunderstanding or misinterpretation than misinformation though.

southernraw Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 3:07pm

Yeah fair enough.

burleigh Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 3:51pm

Indo ain't one for back peddling. I believe what he is saying and appreciate his honesty.

truebluebasher Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 5:28pm

Not sure how old yer Aussie mates are old pop...
But tbb is pretty sure our current 2023 Reffo crisis predates yer mates.

Human Rights 25 1/1 People have the right to freely determine their political status and to "Enjoy the right to choose the form of their Constitution" or Government.

Reads enjoy our Constitution not be trolled by haunted spam emails from centuries ago.

Aussies gotta first exercise their right to build up the nerve to 'Alter' our Mother's unmentionables
@ $450m Bond to rifle about Mother's Drawers...lose yer fingers havin' a crack...Get out! Stay Out!

1993 Fed Election ~ 4% Never Voted
1999 Fed Reffo ~ 5% Never Voted
2022 Fed Election ~ 10% Never even dreamt of Voting for The Don't Know Vote No Party
2003 Fed [L] by election ~ 14.4 % Never knew they could Vote for The Don't Know Vote No Party
2023 Fed ROBO by election ~ 27.5% Don't know how to Vote for The Don't Know Vote No Party
2023 Fed Reffo ~ 21% Never voted for I Don't know how to Vote for the Don't Know Vote No Party
https://www.aec.gov.au/elections/federal_elections/voter-turnout.htm

Least amount of Aussies in over a Century turned out for Voice Reffo or for any Full Fed Election.
Clear to all that more Aussies abandoned the Corrupted [L] ROBO election faster than 2023 REFFO.
Voldemort is in no place to dictate biggest losers...look in the Local [L] Qldurrz cracked mirror!
Follow the money trail...[L] Stuart ROBO is in Spain smokin' our $450m Reffo bill in the shade.

Reffos in $' 2023 = Return Value
1967 $2.40/vote = 6% don't vote
1999 $10.00/vote = 5% don't vote
2017 $16.00/vote = 20.5% don't vote
2023 $25.00/vote = 21% don't vote

1993 Expiry date was stamped...Start updating yer manual...Aussies never bothered...now it's broke.
No one bothered to reform the Constitution then our now...so we run down the Ol' Grey Mare.
In last 55 years Oz mandates that we spend 10x more to travel 20% faster backwards in time...pure genius!
tbb swears he never voted for that clusterfuck of reverting back up our own arses!

Hardly any choice...simple fact mandates we upgrade the sooner the better...or simply starve ourselves.
Pretty fuckin' easy choice to Vote [yes] for change or sell off the Country to pay for next 2999 Reffo!
Q: Should we spend 1 or 2 Gazillion dollars to insert one or two comma's into someone's preamble.
[We maintain the right to exclude you from our VIP Party] (vs) {It's my right to cry at my Party}

Again tbb points out an even bigger Elephant in the room for the Green Ant to dodge! Wake up Oz!

IOC Thomas Bach : "Change or be Changed!"

Supafreak Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 6:03pm

“Stuck in a colonial past” – the world condemns Australia’s “No” vote on The Voice https://michaelwest.com.au/stuck-in-a-colonial-past-the-world-condemns-a...

gsco Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 6:14pm

yep:

Dreamtime turns to nightmare for ‘Yes’

The ABC has used every one of its platforms to humiliate, cajole, and urge audiences to vote ‘Yes’. Its Charter has been trashed by its staff and is now, like the Voice itself, utterly meaningless.https://t.co/vJvUWTvbvC
— The Spectator Australia (@SpectatorOz) October 17, 2023

southernraw Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 6:19pm

Supafreak wrote:
“Stuck in a colonial past” – the world condemns Australia’s “No” vote on The Voice https://michaelwest.com.au/stuck-in-a-colonial-past-the-world-condemns-a...

"The scathing foreign response to Australia’s “no” vote on Saturday may have lacked nuance, but they could be onto something. It appears many non-Indigenous Australians do have a racism problem, can’t deal with being challenged on that and – like the psychiatric patient who won’t accept s/he has a problem – have little interest in changing their ways or better-harmonising with First Nations people, much less our Asia-Pacific neighbours."
Yep! Great read Supa.
The No vote getting up was bad, but watching what kind of narrative the media and public are putting out to justify it is worse at the moment. This above paragraph pretty much nails it and highlights the why's.

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 6:55pm

Supafreak wrote:
“Stuck in a colonial past” – the world condemns Australia’s “No” vote on The Voice https://michaelwest.com.au/stuck-in-a-colonial-past-the-world-condemns-a...

And the out touch media tripe continues.

burleigh Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 7:04pm

Briggs still labelling every white Australian that didnt vote yes a racist. He has just been permanently removed from my playlist.

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