The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices

bluediamond started the topic in

Sunday, 25 Jul 2021 at 1:26pm

Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
Love Blue Diamond x

Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.

Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.

Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.

The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.

Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??

Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28

Supafreak Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 9:21am

burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:28am

Welcome to country: invented in 1976 by Ernie Dingo now squeezed by corporate fuckwit zombies everywhere in 2023.

Hiccups Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:36am

Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:51am

...simple diminutive form of a word to de-humanise people. See Jap, Homo, Jew, Abo, it is always up to the person being called a thing, to sanction a term, in the particular context. if in doubt, don't use it.

Some people think they are being positive when they use a slur to say something positive - they are in actuality just being patronising and condescending, i.e. "I'll say this for the Japs, they have good family values and work hard". Also, entitled people don't bother reading the room.

burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:48am

Hiccups wrote:
Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

GuySmiley Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:02am

burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

I’m agreeing with both of you on this.

Fliplid Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:15am

Supafreak wrote:

It's probably more a case of people believing things that aren't true rather than outright racism supa, not saying the racism doesn't exist but I'd be surprised if it is the main issue

Some of the reasons being given why it isn't 'safe' to vote are just plain wrong but because Jacinta or a couple of other indigenous people say something like "there are no details", which is then amplified by Dutton it means people are voting no for the wrong reasons

There may be some valid arguments for a no vote but it would be a quiet debate if everyone stuck to just those few and that's not in the interests of Dutton and co. so they keep generating all these false narratives.

At least it's a sign that the country's not completely going to shit when a top ranked Liberal makes the effort to try and debunk some of the bullshit

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nonsense-liberal-veteran-skewers...

One thing that that cartoonist got right though is that Jacinta is the one sitting at the bosses table

seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:58am

Did Monique Ryan inadvertently sink the Voice?
https://apple.news/Ax0a1d6-vQraDC4WJZU5gBQ

AndyM Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:26pm

GuySmiley wrote:
burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

I’m agreeing with both of you on this.

Agreement all round, the word abo ranks alongside gook or nigger, a very ugly slur.

icandig Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:44pm

icandig Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:47pm

stunet wrote:
I read the comment and, like ID, thought it was coarse, wouldn't be something I'd say myself, but didn't think too much about it. Live and let live, and all that.

Reading about it this morning is both illuminating and shows how much of a minefield language can be, particularly when words become loaded, as that one has. A few online sources say that it wasn't always derogatory but became that way when it was attached to racist attitudes.

Same word, different connotations.

Similar to the US experience I guess - and which I've mentioned before - like how 'colour' was offensive but is now an accepted descriptor ('person of colour'), and how 'Negro' was acceptable but now isn't.

It's a friggen minefield, especially for suburban folk who have few exchanges with FNP, and I can understand why some people rely on the intent clause - i.e the word doesn't matter, but the intent behind it does. I tend to lean that way myself but figure it's always good to learn, and anyway, here in Australia we don't have to dip far into our past to hear words used with rotten intent, so perhaps you can understand why the recipients shudder when they hear them in another scenario.

It may be naive but I long for the day when we can play with language in jest and any attached baggage is so far in the rearview mirror of history as to lose all its sting. Convicts, bogans, wogs, poms, rangas, abos - have I left anyone out? - all the colours of modern Australia.

Unfortunately we're not there yet so, save the ironic use above, I reckon it's best to refrain from it.

Bodgie , widgie, septic, punk, emo, indo, kiwi, eshay.......words as descriptors of humans will always be used. It IS the intent and the context. Nevertheless if the zeitgeist deems a word offensive any fair-minded person should be sensitive to its use.

truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:59pm

About to put the MC Hammer Down...gonna do it...
U can't touch This...Totally Shaquadelic Baby...
[YES] Vote drops of the Charts & disappears up it's own enigma!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12547147/Australia-politics-Voi...

burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 1:23pm

MC Hammer will be the final nail in the coffin for the yes campaign.

Jelly Flater Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 2:29pm

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truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 3:58pm

Albo said it's a Typo...meant to read Thor's Hammer smashes thru impenetrable AEC ballot box!

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 4:11pm

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/learn-the-facts-kamahl-makes-voi...

Good on you, Kamahl!

southernraw Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 4:20pm

overthefalls wrote:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/learn-the-facts-kamahl-makes-voi...

Good on you, Kamahl!

“It is gut-wrenching how a whole group of people were to be wiped out like it was vermin.”

“How in all conscience can you not try and do something for them? To make up for the butchery.”
And there it is. Nice one OTF.

waveman Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 4:54pm

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

indo-dreaming Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 5:33pm

waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

It's pay walled, any chance you can cut & paste :D

AlfredWallace Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 5:34pm

waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 5:45pm

fk knows anymore, AW. Apparently Aboriginal people aren't to be trusted, can't be human, or make mistakes, or be corrupt, or try things and fail, or experiment with power structures and ego, or try to navigate difficult bureaucracies, or advocate for unpopular ideas. Only white people can do these things. And posting passively racist links with 'see?' implications is not only ok, it is part of the winning narrative.

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 5:48pm

AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

AlfredWallace Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:12pm

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:32pm

Murdoch's sponsored house boy Kamahl acted as if he was Aboriginal.
Part of the Stolen Generation...
Skippy's Park Ranger Ed used to be an Aboriginal top cop & ordered his white constable to arrest Arrernte man Kamahl (Who back then was a crazed ritualistic killer)
Skippy's then Black Boss had his Cops track Kamahl down to the Watering Hole & arrested him for sunbathing topless with his girlfriend. White Cop cuffed him for indecent exposure...looks like they stole him or banished him...story rings true!
https://aso.gov.au/titles/features/journey-out-of-darkness/clip2/
That was 1967 The year of the Reffo...explains everything...
Makes sense for Kamahl to magically reappear at the next Reffo...
Highly likely they'll banish Kamahl again.

Skippy is also Voting [YES]
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5226222778.5699/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x...

Here's the Black Cop White Park Ranger singin' Skippy.
https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/ed-devereaux-sings-skippy-theme

1969 Kamahl singing Sounds of Goodbye...grom tbb used to dig this song...still sounds cool!

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:36pm

This is pretty indicative of an overthefalls comment AW.. sure you've got the right fella?

overthefalls wrote:
The issue is becoming so emotive that it’s bringing out the worst in some people on both sides of the campaign. It’s very disappointing. However, I reckon there are far more unsavoury characters pushing the no vote: Pauline Hanson, Malcolm Roberts, Clive Palmer, Mark Latham, Tony Abbot, Peter Dutton, Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, and the others of similar ilk. If I was sitting on the fence, I’d be swayed towards voting yes just to avoid being associated with them. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

goofyfoot Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:41pm

AlfredWallace wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

Think you’ve got your wires crossed AW.
OTF has always been a yes man as far as I can tell?

Edit. Just seen basesix post above. Seems we’re on the same page

waveman Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:42pm

AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Lots of Australian taxpayers wondering why $30 billion a year isn’t getting to those that need it the most.

Timely also given the concerns around the voice being ATSIC 2.0/son of ATSIC.

southernraw Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 6:44pm

Someone get AW his glasses...

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 7:13pm

AlfredWallace wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

Hi AW. Just to clarify, “punching down” is what I felt waveman was doing by posting a link to that article.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/punch-down

Reform Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 9:31pm

Jelly Flater wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6fem7-ucxg

Thanks again Jelly, Wow you found magic here! Kev Carmody says it all in this fabulous and ironic song.
This song and video should be made into a learning lesson in all the schools with associated discussions about it.
Embolden the kids, so they get an understanding and reality of the sad state of Colonisation, its affects and where we are at today. If so there may be some truth for the kids to reckon and reason with so they make the right decisions in a considered and kindly way and hopefully, maybe turn things right around in this false reality of equality, justice and sustainability.
Vote YES! Thanks

Jelly Flater Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:17pm

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seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:00pm

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Background
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Stingray

This first tune is a tribute...anyone know which song they salute...damn...should know this!
How familiar does that chorus sound...so cool & catchy...great hook!
Same as the second song...sounds familiar...again pretty cool sound.
Definitely some familiar power-pop (Tribute) driving their chorus.

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seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:29pm

Nice TBB
Love those KSR boys

indo-dreaming Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 7:30am

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 7:58am

indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

waveman Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 8:28am

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

This is the omertà at work. Predictable and right on cue. Not allowed to talk about it. Happens all the time: story’s not reported, discussions shut down, diversion, insults.

You think by covering up these kinds of stories it helps aboriginal people? It doesn’t. It only perpetuates the problems.

Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 8:29am

overthefalls wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,
Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 8:46am

waveman wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

This is the omertà at work. Predictable and right on cue. Not allowed to talk about it. Happens all the time: story’s not reported, discussions shut down, diversion, insults.

You think by covering up these kinds of stories it helps aboriginal people? It doesn’t. It only perpetuates the problems.

Cover ups not needed; everyone knows about this stuff, but in the context of the current discussion, highlighting this issue is punching down. Do you wish the no campaign had added your point to the list of 10 reasons to vote no in the referendum booklet?

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 8:52am

Reform wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,
Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

Cheers, Reform. I hope I can do the same at Cloudbreak next week, but my past experiences there indicate that I’m more likely to live up to my namesake!

udo Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 9:02am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-i...

udo Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 9:25am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/white-supremacist-red-over-black-...

?si=DJg7169sDgQkOTM1
Jeezus farkn christ...

southernraw Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 9:20am

udo wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-i...

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

basesix Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 9:28am

^^ interesting reads, udo

Jelly Flater Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 9:34am

;)

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burleigh Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:06am

southernraw wrote:
udo wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-i...

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

You need to do better than that

burleigh Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:07am

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Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:09am

overthefalls wrote:
Reform wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged-...

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,
Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

Cheers, Reform. I hope I can do the same at Cloudbreak next week, but my past experiences there indicate that I’m more likely to live up to my namesake!

Cool OTF, You've earned it with your post and stance on this matter!
Haha, As Simon Anderson said of Sunset in an article back in 89-90. Just when you think you're into the wave - "Take an extra 3 strokes" (Or something of that nature). Good advice, it worked wonders for me.

Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:15am

burleigh wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxgUygzMivS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Are you ok Burleigh? I mean Really?? So dark man.. Look the sun is shining, Aboriginal people have suffered long enough! What do you reckon?
Its time to turn this whole concept around.
You and I can be a part of the change.
Get with it mate! You're not on the right path! Neither is Indo, just poor form! Or are you getting sponsored? Or what? I just don't understand you guys.

southernraw Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:24am

burleigh wrote:
southernraw wrote:
udo wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-i...

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

You need to do better than that

But its true isnt it buttercup.
You're basing your whole no argument, and pages of it, on the decision of a mate, whos in your circle of friends, so most likely shares your same government paranoia.
Come on. You've been so vocal, whats your thoughs on the article? And dont go blamimg the media for this one.
What do you genuinely think about what these people have to say.

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