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- bit rich coming from no brain can't answer a simple question trashcan ;)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cgvR5nFOETk[/quote
I don’t have to answer jack just to get the vax queen some amo.


seeds wrote:Half a brain hey?
Swapped to the white stuff now seeds?
If you got something to say quote/reply to the person dumbo.


. Yep I’m a dumbo, if that suits you.


You ok seeds, get yourself a little pep me up ;)


Me dumb!


ashsam wrote:anyone with half a brain knows it ain’t him lol
These videos are so good, it's seriously unbelievable that this old guy in prime minster of the USA.
But the Trump videos are just as good and also unbelievable he was president of the USA.


The thing with the ‘Biden old, Trump nasty’ argument is that Trump is showing as much, if not more cognitive decline. It just doesn’t capture the limelight due to his manifold other shortfalls. There’s plenty of evidence - most recently a rally where one where the teleprompter stopped… and so did he…. For almost a minute. Silence. Nothing but confusion.
As for politically motivated / activist judges - how about Carroll in FL? Trump appointed judge, pretty much running an interference campaign of her own. But again, you don’t hear about that.




ashsam wrote:anyone with half a brain knows it ain’t him lol
@ashsam, I told you, I'm a dumb cnt, not even half a brain, maybe a third of one. Too many hits to the head, was high on ganja for forty years, eccys, coke, bad mushroom trips, some big wipeouts and hold downs, you name it. I'm brain damaged so I need things explained to me. So please, you say you know who is actually running the White House and it's not Biden, explain to me who it is.
It shouldn't be that hard for you to back in your statements with some facts.
C'mon ashsam, help a dumb brother out. Enlighten me.


- hahaha
....who's in charge ay ;);)
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adam12 wrote:ashsam wrote:anyone with half a brain knows it ain’t him lol
@ashsam, I told you, I'm a dumb cnt, not even half a brain, maybe a third of one. Too many hits to the head, was high on ganja for forty years, eccys, coke, bad mushroom trips, some big wipeouts and hold downs, you name it. I'm brain damaged so I need things explained to me. So please, you say you know who is actually running the White House and it's not Biden, explain to me who it is.
It shouldn't be that hard for you to back in your statements with some facts.
C'mon ashsam, help a dumb brother out. Enlighten me.
Anyone but him lol you blind


ashsam wrote:adam12 wrote:ashsam wrote:anyone with half a brain knows it ain’t him lol
@ashsam, I told you, I'm a dumb cnt, not even half a brain, maybe a third of one. Too many hits to the head, was high on ganja for forty years, eccys, coke, bad mushroom trips, some big wipeouts and hold downs, you name it. I'm brain damaged so I need things explained to me. So please, you say you know who is actually running the White House and it's not Biden, explain to me who it is.
It shouldn't be that hard for you to back in your statements with some facts.
C'mon ashsam, help a dumb brother out. Enlighten me.Anyone but him lol you blind
Nah, dumb not blind. Nearly went blind in one eye this year, tear in the retina, but they fixed it, so I can see. So your answer is "anyone but him lol"?
So you really don't know? Or you do but you don't think I'm worth an answer?
I'm genuinely interested to find out who is running the White House if it's not Biden, I think it is important to know and you put it out there that you have some kind of understanding of these things that I don't, so can you provide some proper details to back in your statement other than just accusing me of being dumb (as I explained I am) or blind (as I explained I'm not) and hopefully something with more detail and preferably minus the "lol".
This is your chance to show us all you are not just another fuckwit troll.
Take it.


Gary Busey ;)


ashsam wrote:Gary Busey ;)
Hahaha.
Fucken' points for that.
I'll back off.
Great answer.


I know its now contemporary political custom to present anything politically inconvenient as conspiracy thinking...
but I don't think this applies re. biden's obvious mental decline for a coupla reasons
1) his mental decline is so bleeding obvious its clear he simply cannot possibly be doing the job he is hired to do...
and, who would really want him to?
certainly not me!
...aside from the initial meet and greet formalities... do you really want biden negotiating one on one with putin?
...really?
I think if any of you are honest with yourselves, you would say no...
either that, or you are crazy!
2) there's a massive team in place - be it biden or trump - they are largely a figurehead, to a massive collection of brains in the background...
however, trump clearly drives his agenda, he largely came up with it... whereas biden is clearly being pushed in all directions, not least obvious in his gaza war positions...
3) as pointed out in my twitter link, his iran position is just bizarre... 'rewarding adverseraries' ...whether thats just tds, and opposition for oppositions sake... it's a disaster and defies all logic...
4) his foriegn policy more generally - also largely disasterous... (see above) ...whether its a neo-con / MIC bastard child... or just that all the 'old team' are back in place... it's a fucking mess...
5) here's your conspiracy... obama has never left washington - odd for an ex pres... obama seems to have shown no desire to leave office... the dems are addicted to 'the obama years'...and frankly... they appear to have no one else remotely as competent or appealing... and, there's talk of regular secret service and high level meetings at his big arse home complex...
6) biden himself - in his obvious declining state... has said that 'they' tell him what to say and not to say... letting it out of the bag on several bumbling occasions... hardly a sign of a strong, competent, authoritive leader...
if you think biden is really running the show...
you're in denial
tds-ing
still tripping
not paying attention
all of the above...
guilty of decades of pot abuse myself
never ever had a bad mushy trip...
best drug ever
if treated with due respect...


@Sypkan,
There have been past Presidents that were not in control of their faculties and others made their decisions by proxy. Nancy Reagan was said to be basically de facto President during the final years of Ron's second term, and Elanor Roosevelt was always (incorrectly) rumored to be making the calls for Franklin, although she did act as emissary for the crippled President. Edith Wilson did run the Oval Office for over a year when Woodrow Wilson suffered a stroke.
I'm not saying it's not possible.
I would just like something more concrete than "he looks incapable therefore it must be happening".
Yes, I'm sure he has Obama on speed dial, and like every President, he works with a large team of advisers, and minders.
But I'm yet to see any evidence that it is someone other than Biden who sits at the Resolute Desk and has the final say.
Yes he's old, too old, yes his foreign policy is all over the place, (but so is Wong's and Albo's, what's their excuse?) but the man has half a century of Congress and a double term as VP worth of experience, and as far as I can tell he is still calling the shots. I haven't seen anything concrete to make me believe otherwise, and I think I have been paying attention.
I'm sure if there was any evidence that he is not in control and someone else was it would be out there.
The White House leaks like a sieve.
Just like the 2016 US election, it's a shit choice of candidates in this coming election. A President well past his prime, too old and obviously declining and a former President now a convicted felon, also too old and frankly deranged.
I'd still vote for Biden, if Trump gets in I reckon Ukraine is gone, NATO will have the Russians right on their borders and the Chinese will blockade Taiwan. Both those things could happen if Biden wins too, but I know who I would rather have sitting in the White House in those circumstances, no matter who is calling his shots.


As my American next door neighbour says I can’t complain about here my country is f-d ;)
I don’t argue with him he has a gun safe lol


Everybody knows who controls the Whitehouse. It's the military industrial complex.
And the Jews.


You forgot the lizard people Zen.


sypkan wrote:I know its now contemporary political custom to present anything politically inconvenient as conspiracy thinking...
but I don't think this applies re. biden's obvious mental decline for a coupla reasons
1) his mental decline is so bleeding obvious its clear he simply cannot possibly be doing the job he is hired to do...
and, who would really want him to?
certainly not me!
...aside from the initial meet and greet formalities... do you really want biden negotiating one on one with putin?
...really?
I think if any of you are honest with yourselves, you would say no...
either that, or you are crazy!
2) there's a massive team in place - be it biden or trump - they are largely a figurehead, to a massive collection of brains in the background...
however, trump clearly drives his agenda, he largely came up with it... whereas biden is clearly being pushed in all directions, not least obvious in his gaza war positions...
3) as pointed out in my twitter link, his iran position is just bizarre... 'rewarding adverseraries' ...whether thats just tds, and opposition for oppositions sake... it's a disaster and defies all logic...
4) his foriegn policy more generally - also largely disasterous... (see above) ...whether its a neo-con / MIC bastard child... or just that all the 'old team' are back in place... it's a fucking mess...
5) here's your conspiracy... obama has never left washington - odd for an ex pres... obama seems to have shown no desire to leave office... the dems are addicted to 'the obama years'...and frankly... they appear to have no one else remotely as competent or appealing... and, there's talk of regular secret service and high level meetings at his big arse home complex...
6) biden himself - in his obvious declining state... has said that 'they' tell him what to say and not to say... letting it out of the bag on several bumbling occasions... hardly a sign of a strong, competent, authoritive leader...
if you think biden is really running the show...
you're in denial
tds-ing
still tripping
not paying attention
all of the above...
guilty of decades of pot abuse myself
never ever had a bad mushy trip...
best drug ever
if treated with due respect...
I totally agree, if Biden was your father you would keep a watchful eye on him and beg him not to drive anymore, he's just clearly affected by old age, he shouldn't be president for this reason.
Somebody above trying to claim Trump is the same or worst is just utter projective nonsense, Trump is a lot of things but he is pretty witty for an old guy he just doesn't have a filter of any kind and just likes to hear his own voice so says some dumb shit, there is a decent argument he shouldn't be president though just because he is possibly on some spectrum of being a sociopath, but the thing is leaders around the world respect that unpredictable aspect especially Putin and Xi Jinping and leaders in the middle east.
Which brings us to point three & four about foreign policy, yes Biden's stance on Iran is not only bizarre its down right scary and damaging don't even get me started about Israel/Gaza or the houthis.(which of course are both closely linked to Iran)
Many suggest Ukraine war or Gaza war (and Iran attack on Israel) would never have happened under Trump because to do so there would be the real risk of consequences, but they did happen because everyone knows Biden is a weak leader that will do little.
I cant help wonder that if China is ever going to invade Taiwan that doing so if Biden was re elected with four more years and with two other current wars that it would be perfect timing for China to invade Taiwan?....
Its crazy but the world really was more stable and safer under Trump.


- hahaha ^^^
"...he just doesn't have a filter of any kind and just likes to hear his own voice so says some dumb shit"
"possibly on some spectrum of being a sociopath"
&"...utter projective nonsense"
- haha, maybe noinfo is just the loveboat 'it's crazy' escapee eggspurt ;)
...making another run ;);)
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@Indo said "I totally agree, if Biden was your father you would keep a watchful eye on him and beg him not to drive anymore, he's just clearly affected by old age, he shouldn't be president for this reason.
Somebody above trying to claim Trump is the same or worst is just utter projective nonsense, Trump is a lot of things but he is pretty witty for an old guy he just doesn't have a filter of any kind and just likes to hear his own voice so says some dumb shit, there is a decent argument he shouldn't be president though just because he is possibly on some spectrum of being a sociopath, but the thing is leaders around the world respect that unpredictable aspect especially Putin and Xi Jinping and leaders in the middle east.
Which brings us to point three & four about foreign policy, yes Biden's stance on Iran is not only bizarre its down right scary and damaging don't even get me started about Israel/Gaza or the houthis.(which of course are both closely linked to Iran)
Many suggest Ukraine war or Gaza war (and Iran attack on Israel) would never have happened under Trump because to do so there would be the real risk of consequences, but they did happen because everyone knows Biden is a weak leader that will do little.
I cant help wonder that if China is ever going to invade Taiwan that doing so if Biden was re elected with four more years and with two other current wars that it would be perfect timing for China to invade Taiwan?....
Its crazy but the world really was more stable and safer under Trump."
There's a Muhammad Ali documentary I've seen where Ali's doctor, Ferdie Pacheco, describes the "street" genius of Ali in the lead up to his first title win over Sonny Liston. Liston was at the time the scariest man in the world, an ex con with mob connections and the most brutal heavyweight ever at the time. No one gave Ali a chance. In the lead up Ali did all sorts of things to try to get into Liston's head, he'd show up to his training sessions and heckle and throw crazy threats and insults, he even showed up at Liston's house and put on a crazy man show that got him dragged away by the cops. At the weigh in Ali was such a lunatic that they called in the doctors and nearly called the whole fight off.
Pacheco described how Ali's genius in acting that way worked, how Liston was a tough guy, an ex con, a man who no man could intimidate, and how men like that fear nothing...except a crazy man. That's what the tough guy fears most.
So I get the point you are making about Trump and Putin and Xi.
But I think you misread them and Trump.
I don't think they fear him or his unpredictability or craziness at all.
Trump has behaved like a sycophant to both of them, and other leaders like Kim in North Korea.
I think that China and Russia would both welcome a Trump win. They have had a good look at him now. They can see that he is actually a weak and vain and in many ways a stupid man, an easy target for such ruthless and wily and worldly autocrats as they are.
Trump has done nothing but kiss arse to them. There has never been a Republican, or any US President that has bent over for the Russians like Trump. It's bewilidering, so much so that many speculate what Kompromat they have on him.
Trump is also a vengeful man, and Zelenskyy is owed payback in Trump's mind.
I think he would pull the US support for Ukraine, and possibly NATO, if re-elected, and Ukraine might fall to the Russians. NATO think that too, they are planning for it.
As for Xi and "attacking" Taiwan, I don't think they need to invade it, I don't think they will make any move like that, at least initially. They don't need to. A naval blockade will do. Taiwan imports everything and would be brought to it's knees in weeks. Then it is up to the West, and Trump if President, what they will do in response.
Do you think Trump would send in the Navy and USAF and start a Pacific war?
I don't.
I don't think they fear a crazy man in the White House at all if that crazy man is Trump, because he's also basically a weak and vain and self interested man.
He's no Ali.
As for whether Gaza or Ukraine would have happened under Trump, I disagree again.
Even Zelenskyy didn't think Putin was going to do it when he did. It was US intelligence that was convinced it would happen, and how, and the Americans went in and set up the initial defences with the Ukrainians that prevented the first invasion objective, take out Zelenskyy and the leadership, from succeeding.
I don't reckon Trump would have done that. I don't think Ukraine would have got the support they have.
Gaza I think would have unfolded exactly as it has up until recently, where rifts are now wide between the US and Israeli governments on the way forward. Trump gave Bibi a free hand when he was President. I'll never forget the look on Bibi's face at the press conference after his first sit down at the White House when Trump won in 2016. Bibi had had a fractious relationship with Obama, but that day he had the look of the cat that ate the canary. He looked incredulous, like he couldn't believe his luck.
I think Trump would have given him all he wanted, not that Biden hasn't until recently. Gaza would still have happened I think, despite Trump's boasts of late.
Anyway, it will be interesting and slightly unnerving to see what the future holds.
I think they are both shit choices for President, and it amazes me that those two are the best either party can find as nominees.
Pax Americana is dead either way I think. The US is becoming a basket case democracy.


Well the reality is when Trump was in power Russia didn't invade Ukraine and Hamas didn't conduct 7th October and Iran didn't attack Israel, but it's all happened under Biden.


indo-dreaming wrote:Well the reality is when Trump was in power Russia didn't invade Ukraine and Hamas didn't conduct 7th October and Iran didn't attack Israel, but it's all happened under Biden.
that's right...
and whilst some would like to present it as pure fluke... this is pure bullshit...
and sorry, this idea that trump is putin's bitch, is also pure bullshit...
one of the biggest manufacturings of pure bullshit ever undertaken by democrats and their sycophant media buddies...
proven time and time again to be pure bullshit
from the twitter article I posted...
"...But for me, as someone that used to work in National Security, Russia’s implicit support for Trump made me deathly afraid of him getting elected as President.
I was wrong, and Russia miscalculated. President Trump turned out to be a master of foreign policy and particularly strong towards Russia. If you’ve never seen it before,
please watch this two minute clip from Trump at a NATO breakfast 5 years ago.
If you're too lazy, Trump told Germany that they're a) owned by Russia via their energy dependence b) financing Russia's war machine by buying their energy c) not investing enough in defense, investing only 1% of GDP, which was below the 2% NATO commitment, meanwhile the US was investing 4.2% of GDP. And yet the world said he's owned by Russia?..."
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Correlation is not causation, Indo. The Great Depression didn't start because Hoover was in office... it just happened to start while he was in office. Adam is right. Both choices for Pres are shit. I did not vote 4 years ago for the first time since i came of voting age. (I voted down ballot, but did not vote for a President.) I hated not exercising that right and vowed never to repeat it, and this year, in November, i will have to repeat it. To the extent that the US is becoming a basket case democracy.... sure looking that way, but too early to call. Tribal Lazy Think being led by a nihilist, populist movement is the cause. If Trump did not arrive to exploit the conditions someone else would've. If he dies tmro, nothing changes. He is not the main problem. And people have gotten tribal and lazy because the cost of living has been rising at a rate far greater than their earnings have. That has been happening all our lives, but it is crossing a line of some type of Critical Mass currently. That is how, when and why populist movements gain momentum. What Trump excels at is throwing these lazy tribalists the red meat they crave. Your Ruppert Murdoch is the same. (I say "your".. he is ours, too, i spose, but you can have him.) I do not wanna defend Biden (as I said...didn't/won't vote for him), but some of the slings and arrows are just the regurgitation of red meat.


wax24 wrote:Correlation is not causation, Indo. The Great Depression didn't start because Hoover was in office... it just happened to start while he was in office. Adam is right. Both choices for Pres are shit. I did not vote 4 years ago for the first time since i came of voting age. (I voted down ballot, but did not vote for a President.) I hated not exercising that right and vowed never to repeat it, and this year, in November, i will have to repeat it. To the extent that the US is becoming a basket case democracy.... sure looking that way, but too early to call. Tribal Lazy Think being led by a nihilist, populist movement is the cause. If Trump did not arrive to exploit the conditions someone else would've. If he dies tmro, nothing changes. He is not the main problem. And people have gotten tribal and lazy because the cost of living has been rising at a rate far greater than their earnings have. That has been happening all our lives, but it is crossing a line of some type of Critical Mass currently. That is how, when and why populist movements gain momentum. What Trump excels at is throwing these lazy tribalists the red meat they crave. Your Ruppert Murdoch is the same. (I say "your".. he is ours, too, i spose, but you can have him.) I do not wanna defend Biden (as I said...didn't/won't vote for him), but some of the slings and arrows are just the regurgitation of red meat.
Na, Rupert is all yours now....


I think one needs to try and put one's trump hate aside for a minute to understand what he brought to america's foreign policy...
difficult I know... but please try...
trump was clearly anti-interventionist
a dramatic change from decades of post WW11 US policy - from BOTH sides of politics...
he was tired of the US being 'the world's policeman' ... a shallow examination of this would conclude this was purely trump being a stingy businessman...
whether that's true or not... he proved to be overwhelmingly correct with his impulse / compulsion...
ie. european countries do need to cough up their fair share of NATO commitments - after decades and decades of being stingy... especially germany, who lived in a now proven unsubstantiated moral high tower of delusion about their role in the world
even trump's staunchest critics have now acknowledged this...
he is anti- interventionist in terms of accepting other countries' autonomy in sorting their own shit out - they need to sort it themselves! ...anyone with any sense knows this rings true regarding humans generally - decades of wayward foreign policy have proven this true on a macro level...
he was anti-interventionist regarding syria - he didn't want another iraq / afghanistan - he left putin to sort it out - which kinda worked... (open to debate) but putin certainly stabilised the place quicker than the US ever could...
meanwhile, hilary couldn't wait to get her dirty little fingers in there... and said she would declare a no fly zone re. russia - essentially a declaration of war on russia... a bit like the dirty democrats war now, just with a four year delay...
ukraine - yeh russia shouldn't have invaded... but NATO and co. were already stirring shit on the border, against the MINSK accords to my understanding... and were making putin uneasy about their plans for ukraine.... and now look at the talk! ...ukraine joining NATO!!
...put your putin hate aside for a minute too, and think how you would like your government to act if your 'enemy' was annexing your last buffer zone of defense...
oct 7 - dean phillips, former democrat presidential candidate... has said explicitly that he does not believe oct 7 would have happened if the biden whitehouse didn't reverse trump's iran position, and basically funnel them billions of $$$ in cash...
gotta be the biggest, dumbest own goal ever!
all this without even considering 'the abraham accords' where trump got a heap of hostile arab nations on board and cooperating with israel...
he even offered palestine 10's of billions of $$$ to rebuild and get them on side too (sounds a lot like adam12's plan for palestine...)
but hamas turned him down...
yes hamas!
pure fluke?
all that...
or, is just that now, the democrats are the party of war and endless interventionalism?
the neo-con, MIC, CIA, FBI, 'american exceptionalism', party of endless wars and interventionalism...
one hell of a fluke...


wax24 wrote:Correlation is not causation, Indo. The Great Depression didn't start because Hoover was in office... it just happened to start while he was in office. Adam is right. Both choices for Pres are shit. I did not vote 4 years ago for the first time since i came of voting age. (I voted down ballot, but did not vote for a President.) I hated not exercising that right and vowed never to repeat it, and this year, in November, i will have to repeat it. To the extent that the US is becoming a basket case democracy.... sure looking that way, but too early to call. Tribal Lazy Think being led by a nihilist, populist movement is the cause. If Trump did not arrive to exploit the conditions someone else would've. If he dies tmro, nothing changes. He is not the main problem. And people have gotten tribal and lazy because the cost of living has been rising at a rate far greater than their earnings have. That has been happening all our lives, but it is crossing a line of some type of Critical Mass currently. That is how, when and why populist movements gain momentum. What Trump excels at is throwing these lazy tribalists the red meat they crave. Your Ruppert Murdoch is the same. (I say "your".. he is ours, too, i spose, but you can have him.) I do not wanna defend Biden (as I said...didn't/won't vote for him), but some of the slings and arrows are just the regurgitation of red meat.
Wax24. Hi fella.
Excellent expression of what’s happening and whats not happening..
Total coincidences all of those three scenarios previously aforementioned.
Nobody in their right mind could say Trump would be good for USA or any other country in fact.
He’s a clown of the highest order (white face, I think it’s called ) is that the best they’ve got, surely not, if it is, well, they are surely in huge strife. Good stuff. AW


understandable mistake @wax24, you're from the top of the planet, where dreams are made..
correlation IS causation in the southern hemisphere.. lotsa navel-gaze othering here apparently..
(faark. imagine worrying about what the US does, or chicken little-ing 'maybes' from down here.. the sky may fall one day, but fucked if i'm gonna waste my short time looking at screens and wringing my hands about infinite maybes..)
nice post @Supa
how good is Autumn?? (Fall)


and, just before you anti-trumpers go all in...
trump is basically bernie sanders with a billion bucks and a penchant for tasteless gaudy shit...
their policy platforms are actually very similar
and that's basically how trump one!
he stole the old school grungy left vote
from right under the noses of the corpro-democrats woke fake left wankers!


basesix wrote:understandable mistake @wax24, you're from the top of the planet, where dreams are made..
correlation IS causation in the southern hemisphere.. lotsa navel-gaze othering here apparently..
(faark. imagine worrying about what the US does, or chicken little-ing 'maybes' from down here.. the sky may fall one day, but fucked if i'm gonna waste my short time looking at screens and wringing my hands about infinite maybes..)
nice post @Supa
how good is Autumn?? (Fall)
Basesix. Hi mate. Hope you’re doing fine.
Well, the name Australia, taken from the word australis, meaning, pertaining to the south , we’re well affected by the Coriolis Effect, and not the causation and correlation effect, we swing to the left (don’t we all) of the rotational spin of a sphere thats spinning from the West towards the East.
You know the effect, throw a ball on a merry go round and watch its path as it spins, veers to the left, like my brain has just done this late at night. AW


basesix wrote:understandable mistake @wax24, you're from the top of the planet, where dreams are made..
correlation IS causation in the southern hemisphere.. lotsa navel-gaze othering here apparently..
(faark. imagine worrying about what the US does, or chicken little-ing 'maybes' from down here.. the sky may fall one day, but fucked if i'm gonna waste my short time looking at screens and wringing my hands about infinite maybes..)
nice post @Supa
how good is Autumn?? (Fall)
Xactly Base. Xactly.


Please…. Andy-Mac. Let’s at least have joint custody. Partial visitation. Something that all can digest.


wax24 wrote:Please…. Andy-Mac. Let’s at least have joint custody. Partial visitation. Something that all can digest.
Digest this ….must be love …..https://apnews.com/article/rupert-murdoch-elena-zhukova-wedding-7523f6c2...


@Supa… ol fart don’t even know where he is. Biden’d take him in a race any day and twice on Sunday.


@Supa… ol fart don’t even know where he is. Biden’d take him in a race any day and twice on Sunday.


hey, @wax. given Biden is not the most vertically stable of statesmen, why does he always seem to be walking across lawns? where is he going? can't they drive him?


I dunno Base. Politics are so funny (and other descriptives) Does the other guy cross lawns? Is there a prescribed rate at which to cross a lawn? He’d cross those lawns with his dog, i’m sure, cept it’d bite him. And, at that point, lawn crossed or not, the optics are bad.


I dunno Base. Politics are so funny (and other descriptives) Does the other guy cross lawns? Is there a prescribed rate at which to cross a lawn? He’d cross those lawns with his dog, i’m sure, cept it’d bite him. And, at that point, lawn crossed or not, the optics are bad.


the other guy used to stand in the wind a lot.


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Jelly Flater wrote:- the masterclass ;)
^^ which one of the bush presidents hadn’t been out of the country before becoming president or was it both?


Bush Senior was a naval pilot who served in the Pacific Theater in WWII. So, he'd been outta country....


Bit of Oz outback history for you Waxxy.
We were staying in the Presidential Suite and watching JBay comp when Mick Fanning assaulted that shark. LBJ stayed in this hotel room in his WW2 service but no real proof. Also OZ history of the first public performance of our most favourite poem and the beginnings of our most famous airline
https://www.experiencewinton.com.au/homepage/80/the-north-gregory-hotel


seeds wrote:Bit of Oz outback history for you Waxxy.
We were staying in the Presidential Suite and watching JBay comp when Mick Fanning assaulted that shark. LBJ stayed in this hotel room in his WW2 service but no real proof. Also OZ history of the first public performance of our most favourite poem and the beginnings of our most famous airline
https://www.experiencewinton.com.au/homepage/80/the-north-gregory-hotel


Nice Seeds, thanx! Winton is a pretty town, by the looks. You saw that Fanning attack on live tv? I saw it as a news clip so knew as the vid started there'd be a shark attack. Must've been jarring to see live.


Waxxy, as in most YouTube clips the camera man wet his pants and dropped the camera to have a look with his own eyes.


Love that song Guy!
Classic interventionist yank president. As are most. Maybe Syp is right about Trump being less that way. I don’t know if that solves anything either. Way above my pay grade.
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