Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right

It will, Floyd.... But don't let Gillard off the hook... or Rudd.... They were just a shameful... Howard started the dog whistle, but labor used it too.....

sheep dip and fuckwit I am not frothing about boat people but thanks for agreeing with me about people who don't belong/religion and the fucked up left who want them in without any question or idea of their past. Floyd how many kids do you have? Sheepy please show me the detail on who are doing the molesting.
Sheepy how many kids?families aree you looking after or you just talk shit.,

While you guys are there . Lay your cards on the table and please admit with your ideology who would let Man Monis to stay in this country and also be out on parole.
Not me dickheads. Please tell me you would not let people in like him?

For all you out there that yearn for a PM and Australia you would be proud of ...........

Tony has wrecked the place ....

Keating delivered 13 budgets with 3 surpluses and 10 deficits , leaving a 95 billion deficit . He also gave us the recession we had to have with unemployment at 12% and a interest rate of 18%. An appalling record .
Costello delivered 12 budgets adding 107 billion in surplus a booming economy .
Swan wasted a once in a life time mining boom and put us in the current mess with a debt payment of 1 billion a month.
Abbott has the unenviable task of fixing Labors mess.
Who would yearn for Keatings record ? Only a rusted on Labor stooge like the Floyd fool

Check the facts yourselves if you don't believe me.

Hey grocer if you get a chance have a listen to these 'podcasts' would like your opinion, link below.
'Conversations with Richard Fidler' when he interviewed writer and political analyst George Megalogenis. George use to write for the 'Australian' since then he has become a full time book writer. George interviewed all living PM's from Whitlam onwards for his latest book "The Australian moment". The two conversations date back to 2012, from when the book was released you can search for it at the link
http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi?locality=conversations&collec...

George Megalogenis - Part 1 - ABC Conversations with Richard Fidler
George Megalogenis part 2 - ABC Conversations with Richard Fidler

Johno

Thanks for the link Johno. I could spend two hour of my life listening to George being an apologist for the Labor party , but really this link tells me everything I need to know.

Did you know George was once married to the new Labor premier of Queensland ? The one that when asked what the percentage of GST was ,said pass.

http://cuffelinks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/PR-Snip1-040414.jpg

The one that when asked what the percentage of GST was ,said pass.

That really was a little concerning...and pathetic. But it says more about Newman than the labor chick. Just like federal polls say more about Abbott rather than the competence of shorten.

Nice graph there grocer, says a lot, source ABS reasonably credible you would think, still have no confidence in Abbott to fix it. Even if his wacky ways could fix it he is fucking the soul of Australia in the process.

Many of us with small businesses in 80s would contradict Keatings credentials . With 18percent interest rates, he was not popular nor highly regarded. One positive he did do (rather Hawkey) was super at 9 per cent in compensation for wage claims.
Costello is also well regarded but maybe he should spent a bit on infrastructure .

Very tasteless and a little threatening for abbott to raise aid when talking about sukumaran and chan.

Aid is an act of goodwill, it does not buy you influence in another countries domestic politics. Poor form tony, its like he is determined to wreck australuas relationship with indonesia. Determined or just desperate to get one win on his domestic politics?

It's not politics. Tony's just got a soft spot for smack dealers.

@grocer Swan didn't waste a once in a lifetime mining boom, it was your mate little Johnny Howard with his middle -upper class welfare who did that , when Labor got in the boom was all but over and the GFC hit changing everything overnight and slashing revenue, Swan saved thousand of hard working blokes from the scrap heap with his stimulus policy. If your mob of pansies had been in our debt. may have been a few billion less but unemployment could be over 10%. Trouble with the Libs is they only govern for the ultra wealthy and the peasants can go and fuck themselves. Cheers .

Abbott should just cut all the spin and BS and bring in a law that anyone earning under 50 k pa give 25% of their wage to some one earning over 200k, I mean have you seen the price of a crate of Grange Hermitage lately? and anyway the poor only waste all their money on food and rent.

@old dog you forgot grog smokes pokies tatts maccas piercings court bail fines definately not contraception.haha

The whole progressive tax thing ain't sitting too well with me ive got to be honest. Bring in a flat rate. Why the fuck should someone that works their ring off pay more to support someone that elects to cruise ?

I'm not arguing against abolishing the whole concept of the working poor and I'm saying that wages, if anything , should be higher rather than lower.

But I am saying a fair days work for a fair days pay and that the tax burden should be Equitable, not merely lumbered on those earn more.

I used to think that people like Paul Hogan were scum for attempting a tax avoidance scheme till I realised it's more about the amount of tax he does pay as opposed to the amount he is meant to pay.

I mean, if you've just paid a couple of hundred grand in tax, would you want to pay more to appease a section of society that is actually contributing a negative net benefit to society after welfare is factored in ?

Let alone the millions Hoges would have paid.

Or not paid.

Can always avoid tax by giving to charity

I wish Shaun. Unless you gave it all away till you hit the tax free threshold .

Believe me , I'd rather decide where my money went than have it go to Mohamed Mohamed the coke dealer from Lakemba and his seven aliases all on Disablity

Taxes................Bloody shame in this country the tax payer is not applauded for paying the big tax dollar, i mean they keep the country running.

You have all these pricks who run big company's who have made an art out of avoiding tax and been given tax breaks by the goverment use the roads paid for by there their employees taxes to run there fuckin business.

Fuck off income tax and have a 35%gst on every thing except food then Mohamed Mohamed the coke dealer from Lakemba and his seven aliases all on Disability can at least pay the same tax as everyone else(probably more)
Viva revolution comrade blowin

We're singing from the same songbook as always Shaun. I'll meet you in the front lines of dissent.
Remind me to wear comfortable shoes, it's going to be a long march.
We may have to stop for a refreshing beverage en route.

sypkan wrote:

Very tasteless and a little threatening for abbott to raise aid when talking about sukumaran and chan.

Aid is an act of goodwill, it does not buy you influence in another countries domestic politics. Poor form tony, its like he is determined to wreck australuas relationship with indonesia. Determined or just desperate to get one win on his domestic politics?

More like offensive and without doubt a threat to the new Indo government......
Offensive to those who donated their time and those that donated their money and the rest of us who helped financially through our government donation via aid from our taxes. Proud of our country to do that without question. That shows the best of us.
All this from TAbott during a period when his backbench push for a spill, hahaha. It's like him saying "quick look over there" and pointing over our shoulder, and we all look away from the other issue that is THREATENING HIS future. Always said and I always will TAbott is a f!#^en bullshit artist. Whew, got that off my chest. Anybody know what the AFP got in exchange for the Bali 9?

If there are conditions attached is it still aid? Sounds more like a mercantile transaction. A very poor choice of argument by our PM.

On the topic of the Chan and Sukamaran, I've been leaning away from the energy and political capital we've been expending to save the lives of just two people. Two people of dubious character no less. Kinda feel we could save calling in favours for an issue of real concern, one that effects many more people. All that said, this interview with death row lawyer Bryan Stevenson is a very worthwhile read. Fella throws down a homily of Martin Luther King proportions:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/17/bryan-stevenson-if-its-not-right-to-a-rapist-how-can-it-be-ok-to-kill-a-killer

That was a great interview Stu. I would have liked to have seen him address the point of view of the victims families in addition to the condemned, but nonetheless a very eloquent and thought provoking article.

In fairness to Abbot, the way I read it he is speaking about the one off generosity of Australia regarding the Boxing day Tsunami when Indo was in a great time of need and not the millions of dollars of aid that we contibute to Indonesia annually. There was no mention of that that I could see.

Lord give me strength! Weather-vane Tony's big tin ears are leading him astray AGAIN! Emotionally blackmailing Indo over Tsunami assistance?! Hah, the majority, if not all, of his LNP supporters & voters couldn't give a flying fuck about those two dudes. Sad but true. He should give his poor feet a rest. Must be exhausting the amount of times he keeps having to extricate them from his reptilian maw.

I really wonder if with these kind of things there not a scenario, where Tony rings up Jokowi, and its like.

Hey Jokowi, Tony here, hey look i know you gotta do your shit and I know nothing i say or do is going to change you mind, but I'm in the shit at the moment i really need to look like I'm doing something and keep the focus of other issues, is it okay if i throw around a few stupid things to make myself look good? i don't mean the shit okay, i know our relations are way more important than the lives of two drug ring leaders…you know we obviously didn't want to deal with them at our end as we knew you guys would sort it out a lot better than us.

Its got to be like that, it seriously has to be…it can't be what it appears to be, there has to be people that are advising him that are experts in SE asian politics.

Last time he thought he could buy back every half floating Indo fishing boat, now he is using aid as a black mailing guilt trip…if there is seriously no phone call prior, then he has just put Indonesia -australian relations back to the worst of times.

And one of the biggest ongoing issues in Australian politics that is never going to go away is the asylum/refugee issue, and Indonesia hold all the power on what happens with that issue there possibly the only ones that can help find a soloution.

Maybe Tony should read this article, more relevant than ever http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/australia-needs-ind...

The problem INDO have is asking for clemency from other nations if their own are waiting for the death penalty.

So Julie Bishop was negotiating behind the scenes working a way out for the Indo Govt no to lose face in not killing the 2 convicted drug dealers.

there was chance she might have succeeded till Tones fired up and tried to "heavy " the Indo's......backlash has been as expected....there is no chance now for the 2.....but Tones sounded tuff....as our Bogan PM should be!

the look at Indo...one of the most corrupt populated countries on earth...and also Muslim.....what would you expect from 3rd world cowboys...

I just don't believe Abbot and co are THAT stupid. If they were idealogically opposed to it they would have done something about it long ago. IMO opininion the reality is more of what I/D is suggesting or simply parrotting what they gleen from polling and media/social media information sweeps, the government see's some public interest in the issue and uses what they think will appeal to the masses for a bit of political gain.

silicun wrote:

I just don't believe Abbot and co are THAT stupid. If they were idealogically opposed to it they would have done something about it long ago. IMO opininion the reality is more of what I/D is suggesting or simply parrotting what they gleen from polling and media/social media information sweeps, the government see's some public interest in the issue and uses what they think will appeal to the masses for a bit of political gain.

Exactly its not actually about doing something its more about looking like they are and gaining browny points from Aussies.

brutus wrote:

So Julie Bishop was negotiating behind the scenes working a way out for the Indo Govt no to lose face in not killing the 2 convicted drug dealers.

there was chance she might have succeeded till Tones fired up and tried to "heavy " the Indo's......backlash has been as expected....there is no chance now for the 2.....but Tones sounded tuff....as our Bogan PM should be!

the look at Indo...one of the most corrupt populated countries on earth...and also Muslim.....what would you expect from 3rd world cowboys...

There was never any negotiating to be done in Indos view, Tony put his foot in it, but its not going to make one bit I've difference to these guys future only Indo-Aussie relations, the only reason they will ever get off is in a situation where legally Indo can't execute them, not because of choice.

tonybarber wrote:

The problem INDO have is asking for clemency from other nations if their own are waiting for the death penalty.

Its not a problem, its what any country has the right to do, you can ask and bargain, but end of the day its the country where the crimes are committed and charged to decide, but once you get a no, its pretty bad form to act like a spoilt child and start making threats or boycotts.

I don't see it as hypercritical either, there not saying they oppose the death penalty or its wrong, they just don't agree that the punishment fits the crime, just like lots of Aussies don't think these two crime fits the punishment.

Its like if Australia trys to help its own get free from a jail sentence overseas, even though we lock people up, its not hypercritical if we try to help free them.

Indodream.....I believe Indonesia has for death clemency for its own people caught in dealing in drugs - not a contradiction ?? I don't think anyone is saying they are not guilty but simply to spare their lives. I also don't think Abbott was trying any 'muscle' by mentioning Aid.
I think in the case they may be gone.

Indo D, I hope Jokowi and Abbott phone each other up and have your conversation.

Hey Jokowi, Tony here, hey look i know you gotta do your shit and I know nothing i say or do is going to change you mind, but I'm in the shit at the moment i really need to look like I'm doing something and keep the focus of other issues, is it okay if i throw around a few stupid things to make myself look good? i don't mean the shit okay, i know our relations are way more important than the lives of two drug ring leaders…you know we obviously didn't want to deal with them at our end as we knew you guys would sort it out a lot better than us.

I used to think it was like that, I hoped it was like that, but Jokowi seems to be getting the short end of the stick in the public eye with the crap that's coming out of tony's mouth. You know, Indonesia is all about saving face, and Tony is talking over the top tough talk. Indonesians appreciate our aid, but you could argue they don't need our aid as much as Australians like to think they do. Indonesia is a proud country and will do what they want to do rather than kneel. Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Indo D wrote
Its got to be like that, it seriously has to be…it can't be what it appears to be, there has to be people that are advising him that are experts in SE asian politics.

Like you I shake my head and think "it can't be what it appears to be". Surely there are lots of people advising them on SE Asian politics, but it does not appear so. Those advising him must have either have no idea, or no influence at all, as Tony just barges his way through another delicate situation. its not bloody rocket science. And like stunet points out, better to save all that rudeness for a real situation, because if things are as they appear, the tally is way in Indonesia's favour at the moment, for a couple of guys up to no good. Its crazy the resources wasted on this situation.

I bet most of the Indo's that the Indonesian government is working hard for overseas have had nothing to do with drugs, like the 2 million dollar example in the media. It was a maid on murder charges. Killed her savage Saudi Arabian boss if you read between the lines, most forgot to talk about that.

tonybarber wrote:

Indodream.....I believe Indonesia has for death clemency for its own people caught in dealing in drugs - not a contradiction ?? I don't think anyone is saying they are not guilty but simply to spare their lives. I also don't think Abbott was trying any 'muscle' by mentioning Aid.
I think in the case they may be gone.

Its only a contradiction if the charges are for heroin, as far as I'm aware most of those on death row charges related to drugs are from Indonesians taking fairly small amounts of pot into Malaysia (that has far more strict laws and penalties), maybe I'm wrong but i don't think anyone has recently got the death penalty in Indonesia for small amounts of pot, even the seven other mules that were 100% guilty aren't getting death.

When your talking drugs even in Indonesia there is big differences between penalties, for different drugs and amounts, you can get death even for pot but it has to be a huge amount, for instance one of the other guys in this round is getting death for being caught with over 58kg of pot and only yesterday two indonesians got sentenced with death for being caught with 200Kg of pot, I personally wouldn't give death for pot, but those are the laws, and when your caught with those kind of amounts its kinda bit hard to plead its for personal use.

Even if Abbot didn't mean its as a threat or muscle, thats not how Indonesia took it, they actually said. “Threats are not part of diplomatic language and from what I know, no one responds well to threats.”

floyd wrote:

stunet wrote:

floyd wrote:

There you go Alan Jones and the Greens fighting CSG & coal mining !!!

It's not a dispassionate response from Jones. He owns lots of land in the Hunter Valley, as do his friends.

Yeah Stu, self interest is a great motivator but regardless of his motivation its a no brainer and on this issue I'm happy to have him on board.

I'm cynical of the old AJ, e.g they way he pumped the Cronulla riots back in the day, and his ability to popularize main stream thought at that time i.e what's front and center in the media for that week or until he get's bored with the issue (ratings slump) and moves onto the next. What he said on Q & A the other night was the first time he spoke when I didn't instantly turn off the radio or in this case the Telly.
Gotta agree with you Stu! he, in his his comment's can gain a lot of traction (as it has) in MSM. Can't be a bad thing, me thinks.

Got wires a bit twisted, should've said Floyd instead of Stu "Gotta agree with you Stu"

So let me get this straight, its o.k. for us to bomb Iraq back into the stone age effectively executing thousands of innocent men women and children but how dare the Indonesians execute two Australian(?) convicted heroin smugglers who took the risk knowing full well of the consequences and lost. Had they won they would be driving BMWs and Harleys living the high life. Most people have to work for a living.

old-dog wrote:

So let me get this straight, its o.k. for us to bomb Iraq back into the stone age effectively executing thousands of innocent men women and children but how dare the Indonesians execute two Australian(?) convicted heroin smugglers who took the risk knowing full well of the consequences and lost. Had they won they would be driving BMWs and Harleys living the high life. Most people have to work for a living.

100% agree.

So true! if the scam had of come off as planned they'd be laughing all the way to the bank and looking over their shoulder every second of their lives. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, as the old saying goes. I don't agree with the death penalty though! just let them rust in jail. Have I gotten off the point of TAbott, quick look over there.

hhmm

Fishlegs][quote=Shatner'sBassoon wrote:

Lord give me strength! Weather-vane Tony's big tin ears are leading him astray AGAIN! Emotionally blackmailing Indo over Tsunami assistance?! Hah, the majority, if not all, of his LNP supporters & voters couldn't give a flying fuck about those two dudes. Sad but true. He should give his poor feet a rest. Must be exhausting the amount of times he keeps having to extricate them from his reptilian maw.[/quote

The other option is: he can go home and F*&k his shoes because there's been a C%#t in em all day.

This is kinda funny

Enraged citizens from the tsunami-ravaged province of Aceh, Indonesia, have started a movement to collect coins to “pay back Australia” in a backlash against provocative statements by the Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/21/aceh-residents-use-koinuntukaustra...

Thats funny considering they could only get their message out because of australian money/help. I have no issue with the death penalty but what these cunts are doing to them now is beyond death its torcher..if ya gunna kill them shoulda done it ages ago but to drag it on...well...fuck them!!

Floyd your a fuckwit..not even man enough to admit your a labor dork..still whinging and whining like a spoilt 3yr old who never her lollipop! Love how you pretend to sit on the fence (only cause you like a pole up your arse) but when it comes down to it your labor as..take a long look in the mirror and say it to yaself mate..its ok you can come out the closet buddy haha!

Indodreamin...I am confident you know the of Muslim indos ?
I doubt they wish to repay Aus in any way. It would be interesting to see exactly how Abbotts comment was relayed in their press. I doubt whether it was correctly translated - indos are not too happy with Aus