Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right

Downwards envy !? You're kidding right ? Have you seen the lifestyle associated with a lot of remote communities ?

What about a situation like Arnhem Land that is Indigenous owned and run, still pristine and able to support the locals n the same manner as the last fifty millennia yet taxpayers pay for everything.

Whilst your philosophic approach is laudable Stu, unfortunately running a society has to be done with a pragmatic eye to the realities of economics. So whilst you're correct in saying that some parts of our shared culture are more important than any balance sheet will reveal , any funding directed to sustain such a situation has to be deducted from money that could be dedicated to essentials such as health .

Have you had a friend or relative try to use the health system recently ?

So I think that persevering in sustaining what amounts to a lifestyle choice in 2015 would have to be questioned regarding its value.

Blowin wrote:

So whilst you're correct in saying that some parts of our shared culture are more important than any balance sheet will reveal , any funding directed to sustain such a situation has to be deducted from money that could be dedicated to essentials such as health. 

And dedicated to chaplains in schools too. Don't forget that quarter-of-a-billion dollar essential item. 

Blowin wrote:

Have you had a friend or relative try to use the health system recently ?

I've got a son that's been on a hospital waiting list longer than I care, so yeah, I've got skin in the game.

How many times can the oppression card be played? White man stole this blah blah blah..fuck its sad man but its happened and we are where we are....IMO thats part of the problem

quote Noel Pearson:
"Who is going to welcome these people in the country towns and suburbs of this country, as if there's a big welcoming mat for Aboriginal people from remote communities to be welcomed into the social and economic mainstream of Australia?"

"There was a time in our history when they kicked us out of town, and now they want to bring us back in — just by a flick of the policy switch," he said.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26595003/pms-indigenous-lifestyle-choi...

stunet wrote:

Blowin wrote:

So whilst you're correct in saying that some parts of our shared culture are more important than any balance sheet will reveal , any funding directed to sustain such a situation has to be deducted from money that could be dedicated to essentials such as health. 

And dedicated to chaplains in schools too. Don't forget that quarter-of-a-billion dollar essential item. 

Blowin wrote:

Have you had a friend or relative try to use the health system recently ?

I've got a son that's been on a hospital waiting list longer than I care, so yeah, I've got skin in the game.

Chaplains in schools ? Even worse. Worst ever.

Both should be paid for by interested parties, not society as a whole.

It's no good about your son Stu. It certainly puts the priorities of what are actually limited funds into perspective.

Maybe some people lose the ability to realise that our nations finances are limited due to the scale of the figures discussed.

So whats his answer ys?

I just thought Noel Pearson made a good point Barls. Where are they gonna go? Would you want them in your street? Remember Pearson and Warren Mundine are/were Abbott's biggest indigenous supporters.

If we're looking for savings I think a good place to start would be the $50 billion a year superannuation tax rebate we handout, 2/3 of which goes to the wealthiest 10% of superannuation account holders?
Compulsory superannuation was brought in to keep people off the age pension. What's the point of the majority of the $50 billion per year rebate going to those who wealthy enough to fund their own retirements?

I just thought he might have given more of an insight into his views on it ..fuck knows about savings..first it was the team who could get us back to surplus quicker (thats not gunna happen??) Now it will be who can control debt better..

yorkessurfer wrote:

I just thought Noel Pearson made a good point Barls. Where are they gonna go? Would you want them in your street? Remember Pearson and Warren Mundine are/were Abbott's biggest indigenous supporters.

If we're looking for savings I think a good place to start would be the $50 billion a year superannuation tax rebate we handout, 2/3 of which goes to the wealthiest 10% of superannuation account holders?
Compulsory superannuation was brought in to keep people off the age pension. What's the point of the majority of the $50 billion per year rebate going to those who wealthy enough to fund their own retirements?

Don't you think that most people in the top ten percent of self funded retirees have already paid enough tax in their lifetimes ? It's not like the government isn't getting any tax out of them, they'd still be contributing a lot more than most.

Most people pay zero net tax yet seem to have no qualms harassing high earners about the amount of net tax that they do pay after minimisation .

The government should pare down all spending where possible .

Otherwise we will be Greece.

As to where would people from remote communities go....I don't understand . Where does anyone move to ? Where there is opportunity and a future. Where do you think all the economic refugees are trying to get to when they attempt to get to Australia ?

Actually right wing shock jock Alan Jones brought up this super debate on Q&A the other week blowin. He thought it obscene that people like him could get a 35% tax saving off his income tax by squirriling it away in his super accounts.

That argument that the wealthy have paid enough taxes in their life is bullshit. There are so many tax dodges like negative gearing and offshore accounts any rich person with half a brain is playing the tax system like a fiddle.

If the rich don't want to live in Australia and pay tax for the privilege of living in the best country in the world they are free to move to some low taxing shit-hole and can watch over their shoulder for the rest of their lives that some desperado isn't about to stick a knife between their shoulder blades and steal their wallet.

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people that the negative net tax payers consider wealthy are not in the same league as Alan Jones.

Offshore accounts ? Tax dodges ? I think you've been watching too much TV.

All the well off people that I know, those that obtain their money legally at least, work their slots off and pay tax through the nose even after deductions.

Be careful what you wish for Yorkes. If all the high earners and hard workers, even deluded yuppies, moved to another country, then it wouldn't take long till basic services that they had been paying for and are used by everybody would evaporate.

Never forget that it is these exact people that are subsidising all those services that the negative net taxpayers utilise. Including remote communities .

As for Alan Jones - what's he on I wonder ?

At least $ 2M a year I'd imagine. Even If he only pays 15 percent on $2M it's still $300,000 per year ! You don't think that's enough money for any one person to contribute to the common purse ?

Blowin wrote: Otherwise we will be Greece. I love it when right wingers pull out the Greece card. Haha

I'm not right wing . Not even remotely.

And I'm just as far from the left.

Greece is just a synecdoche for a place that spends more than it earns.

Call it what you like, the result is the same.

Does it usually work when you attempt to pigeonhole someone as a substitute for replying with a considered response ?

Not having a go Yorkes, just saying how I think it is.

I don't think that the rich are always right or more necessary than anyone else on the economic spectrum, I just think that the desire to tax at a disproportionate rate is fueled by envy.

I'm not judging you on that either. Go knows everyone has their turn on that ride.

Greece's problem was that everyone was trying to avoid paying their fair share of tax and it crippled the economy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/09/how-greek-tax...

Greece spent more than they earned for whatever reason. That is the point.

It's interesting to visit these remote communities not least because not just anyone can go there, (in the apy lands anyway) but it really is a different world.. And if your a bit of rural person, and/or a self sufficancy freak, its amazing to see what they do have ie. power and water, sat tv, in the desert. Fuelled by big diesel generators and increasingly solar, stuff many a farmer can only dream of. The place i went was four hours of fast dirt road off the Stuart highway. That's four hours of dirt for a semi carrying diesel. Four hours of dirt carrying fresh fruit and veg. That's after god knows how many hours from Adelaide or alice. That makes stuff expensive, and while I'm sure food is subsidised its still bloody expensive, especially perishables, which leads to a shit diet.

Despite all the subsidies and funding they're not the nicest places. With run down tin houses laying dormant they don't look that good. But these people have lived there for ages and you cant really expect them to up and leave. But I think hockey has a point when he says these communities cannot expect 21st century services delivered in definitely. There has been a long period of self determination now and things didnt really get better, they got worse if you look at things like the all the children are sacred report. Whether you agree or not with the ways of the intervention, most people agree something had to be done.

Self determination has failed by admission of most aboriginals, probably because things were already too damaged. It was well intentioned policy from the left, but came a little late. Things seem to be getting better now with a both ways approach, but progress is slow. Once again it is extreme right or left policy that seems to fuck things up. The left just wants to give them everything with no accountability, and the right, who knows what they want to do? The 'sit down money' doesn't help but you cannot deny them what every other Australian is entitled to, even if it manifests as 'the poison of welfare'. But you can ask that it gets spent on food for children before other priorities, just as you should do in some white ghetto, but the left always jump up and down no matter what the suggestion. Abbotts clearly socially incompetent but you guys bagging barley need to go to these communities and then see if you think the $85000 grand is being spent well. I think you'll find legal aid is a more worthwhile investment.

That is a lot of money that could be focussed on relocating people to where the action is, to where blowin's economic migrants can't wait to get to. You cannot expect everyone to relocate or get work, especially when often English us a second language, but there's a lot of money out there that could be used wiser. Local training programs are a waste of time if there is no local work. However training blackfellas to build and maintain their own houses might be smarter than bringing in overpaid white contractors to do all the work. There's a conservative aboriginal politician from darwin, not sure of her name, alison Anderson I think, she said why arent blackfellas asking what the rest of Australia is asking, basically why are we waiting for a white fella to fix our houses?

The bleeding hearts (dont like that term but...) will say but we took their land, destroyed their families etc. etc. Which all equates to trauma which apparently is why they are all fucked up, combined with English as a second language. Which is all true. But my question is why can African refugees come from even more traumatic backgrounds, be black, have english as a second language, etc. yet they seem to find their way better than aboriginals in a country totally foreign to them? the answer, the poison of welfare. Too much softly softly. Both sides of politics have fucked this up big time. I would argue indigenous australians have had more help and handouts than any other first nations people yet it would be hard to find a people in more dire circumstances, kinda says it all really.

The tax Google argument is wearing a little thin as an answer to everything, especially when labor are as useless as libs on this issue.

Speaking of racism (I'm expecting it) anyone been watching 'black comedy' on abc? Farkin racist but Farkin funny.

all great insights but tax has to be remade into a community contribution scheme. People need to see that their money is going to help their local communities. As for infrastructure, why we are building bigger cities- they are failing- transport issues, power problems and violence. WE are smart enough to get our smaller communities to have new business enterprises.
I had a talk with the guy who is the boss for all the finances for the Murray River Water Scheme the other day and he told me about the problems he has had about allocation and companies like Collie using what they want.
The big issue is about the amount of water.
Abbott and co want jobs, want economic growth- every year the top end has that much rainfall that is wasted. I told him, build pipelines, build with train tracks to export cattle and other prodfuce out of our northern ports.
He said it was too expensive to pump, so he told him about the use of solar powered stations and that you can run a sleight electrical current through the pipe which makes the water run easier.
He was amazed. I told him to think outside the box and this is whats needed.
Imagine all that water been feed south creating little communities able to grow crops, run livestock, have atransport system linking it all up and still have enough water flushing out the Darling/ murray basin.
And they want our youth to do military service, work for the dole- lets get off our asses and capture the resource we need most- water. Yes it will cost money, but it will give growth for years to come and opportunities for other area to develop. Plus finally we can use all that open space up there as solar plants, because they will become more efficient as technology increases.
Lets pull our heads out of our arses, have ago and ensure the future for our kids. The water comes every year, we can grow things, breed livestock, create aquaculture and help our river systems remain healthy and even prosper more.

As a taxpayer, I don't mind chucking in to help our indigenous brothers and sisters stay connected to their homelands.... As a taxpayer, i do mind massive grants and subsidies to filthy rich mining magnates..

Abboott reckons they spend 80k per aboriginal.... But they couldn't even figure out the right stats in the intergenerational report.... I'd like to know the total amount of aboriginals x 80k... I bet it's a fart in a jar compared to the recent estimate by the Aust' inst' of $4 500 000 000 (4.5 bill) in subsidies and grants to the mining sector....
So it's bullshit... People clutch on to so called objective stats to support their subjective viewpoint... Abbotts comments are racist..... Full stop...
BTW, there is a bit of a difference between a "black" african immigrant, and an indigenous "black" that has 40 000 plus year s of history and connection to this land..........

as for the money, since the financial world has not been linked to the gold standard- money is just numbers written on a computer screen. If everyone went into a bank to withdraw their money, there is not enough gold to give to them just as their is not enough money to pay them. They would have to print it, This deficit/ surplus is a farce- it is not real- it is just as egocentric way politicians are trying to convince the public how good of managers they are.
Have you ever wondered that during a term they say they havent enough money to fund things, but at election times they come out promising spending like santa giving out presents.
Do u really think that if these EU countries default they will have the money to actually cover it. It is all just IOU's that dont have any real tangible value behind it. REST ASSURRED, THEY WILL JUST PRINT IT TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THAT ALL IS WELL. Hoodwinked's the term and the money lenders are in control over it- holding you to ransom if you do make your repayments, but if they dont, they create a way to avoid, delay or get around it.

If anyone can solve the indigenous issue, your doing well. There is no real consensus even amongst the elders. It's not easy to say the least.
And yes we can and do build dams up north to catch the water and use it. More is being used each day. Towns and cities will grow from this but it takes a generation or two.

For every human action, there is a natural reaction.... Re' dams without study - If we stop waters running into coastal ecosystems, ecosystems that are used to millions of years of wet season flush out, what will be the outcome? on a similar note, The Snowy river comes to mind..
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/snowy-river-plans-dont-go-with-the-flow-20...

The Murray also comes to mind.... Water which is meant to run to S.A is now owned by the chinese who bought Cubby station.....

Sometimes, you just gotta accept that we are human, and that we don't have an answer for everything..

tonybarber wrote:

If anyone can solve the indigenous issue, your doing well. There is no real consensus even amongst the elders. It's not easy to say the least.

True that.
You just cannot simply keep feeding in the money
I have a couple of close mates from school days of aboriginal heritage and I've shared many a cuppa with their grandfathers over the years, old school fisho's, well respected community members and when they talk of todays generation the old fellas are nearly in tears of disappointment.
Alcohol, crime, drugs, violence and abuse, its not just an Aboriginal issue, it's the whole country in general is going down the gurgler.
When it costs $2200 to change a few light bulbs and repair a broken door handle you do have to wonder what on earth is going on.

Oh no im agreeing with tony again, yes I think dams are the go, done properly they can create little valley wide ecosystems, but the left wont allow it because its bad for the environment, hmmm, lots of stuff is if your too idealistic about it.

Yeh floyd the elders are initiating this shit already, because they are tired of stuff not working. Even they can see that a culture has developed through programs designed to help them, a culture that is not helping these people at all. The left tried to produce ideal conditions, the ideal white middle class conditions that allow the white middle class to thrive, but there was nowhere to go with it, no destination, so the money became a party, and even the biggest party heads know the party cannot last forever.

floyd said
Living in an isolated community for years and years and now under the shadow of having to move on within a couple of years to where? The outskirts of the closest country town? Now, call me a bleeding leftie if you like but that has a familiar ring to it.

Yep a very uncomfortable ring to it, that makes us all uneasy. And Abbotts term 'lifestyle choice' is another ridiculous moment from Abbott, seriously who advises this fool about terminology?, or he just cant help himself? It may appear a choice but lifestyles are funny things, that tend to follow your parents choices, until you mature enough to realise where you went wrong, a time when its often too late to change, humans are habitual thats why nice middle class mothers try to instill good habits early in life, if mothers not with the program well...

Sometimes people need more than encouragement to make good choices, a little coercian maybe. Yep little white middle class kids make good choices when all their needs are supplied, and they grow up in a loving home. But maybe adults with already developed bad habits dont make such good choices when the means for their needs are supplied. And then the kids follow their parents choices, and the cycle begins.

barely said
i am sick of everyone playing the racist card as soon as the word aboriginal is said..everyones afraid of cuts

Not only that, everyone is scared to even talk about issues, the real issues because thats racist. Australia developed a very high level of political correctness to try and redeem ourselves of a very racist past. And I believe this served us well through the 80's to counteract the bad white man culture and habits that had developed. We needed to make up lost ground fast, just talk to overseas people they know the history better than us, and they are rightly critical. But now we cannot even have a discussion about the real issues before someone starts being outraged calling racism about someone pointing out the bleeding obvious. That 'black comedy' I was talking about, it was on last night abc, bloody hilarious, fucking racist as fuck!!, shockingly so. But I believe this is an indication of a maturity in race relations, and a maturity amongst aboriginals that allows us and them to talk about these issues, whereas just ten years ago, it wouldn't have happened.

Dont take this the wrong way swellnet writers, (you can be a little sensitive about criticism), but I think you guys are fighting the 1980s fight when you talk about these and other issues. I really like most of what stunet and blindboy write, and agree with most of it. but when nice well to do people are still super quick to call racist at even a hint of racism, I think you are doing the cause a disservice, shutting down conversations that need to be had, just like climate change as barley points out. Yep in the eighties blackfellas needed bucket loads of cash, and whitefellas needed to learn some respect, but the cash was/is supplied in spades, but unfortunately it is still poorly targeted, creating more problems than it is fixing. Meanwhile the whitefellas have improved their behaviour.

"When it costs $2200 to change a few light bulbs and repair a broken door handle you do have to wonder what on earth is going on."

Yeah, I know right..... Fuckn good point..... Work health and safety, regulations, red tape and bullshit..... Can't really blame the aboriginals for our society morphing into the USA.... I see Hockey is taking a paper to court over a headline.... Newman taking Alan jones to court..... Pathetic.....

America has resolved funding issues for many indigenous Indian communities by granting them casino licences to operate in Indian Reserves.
Gaming on Native American lands earned $26.5 billion in 2011. 236 Native American tribes operate 422 facilities across 28 states.
i wonder how James Packer would feel about the competition?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/10/11/native-american-casino...

Promoting one social problem to fix another social problem.... Onlyl in America, Yorko... ;)

It won't happen here Sheepy. Not under this government. The Packer family are the one of the biggest donors to the Liberal Party. http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/political-donations-...

Vote 1 First Dog on the Moon

"It Makes Sense "

I know, yorko :p...... BTW, Yorko, Floyd and other political junkies.... Over the past 2 days, there has been a new blogger calling himself "sheepdog" at a couple of news blog sites, including the guardian..... Just like to say it is not me......

Speaking of funding "lifestyle choices"

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/03/11/taxpayers-forced-to-fund-lifestyl...

agree sypkan, i stir up trouble when i yell them i am indiginous- indiginous (sp) to life. WE are all indiginous because we were created by life.
AS for the casino's it is causing all sorts of battles and seperations between the native american indians.
When i worked up Cape York the local group got given aheap of money, the blokes in charge got new landcruisers and alot of them got a free trip down to mareeba to get cheap grog.
greed- it rears it's ugly head in all humanity.
And yes we are living in the past, why not make houses out of hemp, car parts out of hemp, there are all these resources that could be used to help promote economic growth and lifestyle choices but its over legislised, money for the beaurocrats, and so out dated. I hope they bring the Sullivans back on tv and me and Tony can sit down and watch it.

Would you really call it forced assimilation of aboriginals living in remote communities when funding is cut to services provided by modern Australian tax payers ?

No one is forcing anyone from their land. This is not forced dispossession or enacting structural rascism.
Anyone can live anywhere they like, it's just that a nurses station will not be provided for a few family groups on the edge of the desert.

Services will still be available to these people but, like many , many small rural communities of all types of people throughout the nation before, they may have to travel to access them as to continue funding them is not viable anymore.

The guardian has got to be the most puerile, small minded, click bait piece of trash going.

Hoisted upon the small minded people that believe being politically correct according to the latest missive will somehow make them a more moral person despite lives often full of an equal amount of venomous hate as the so called rednecks that they imagine they're staring down at from some lofty height of moral superiority.

So you only ever use the term First Nation when referring to Blackfellas you're spotless and bound for heaven ? Even if you can't bitch enough about that fat cunt at work that you dislike ? Or talk trash about posters on a website ?

First Dog on the moon can suck my scrotum.

" Playing ethnicy jazz to parade your snazz on your five grand stereo
Bragging that you know the niggers feel the cold and the slums have so much soul. "

Dead Kennedys

Are Chinese immigrants going to be forced to pay for our grand kids to live at The Bluff and surf all day cause that's what their elders did ? After all, we were here first.

Nothing is constant in this world except change. The world is not a museum. The people living in remote communities are not exhibits in a museum.

floyd wrote:

To say I'm disgusted with some of the above comments is an understatement.

All this dates back to last September when Abbott cut WA's funding to support isolated Aboriginal communities. The Commonwealth has provided this funding for the best part of 2 decades and is linked directly Commonwealth/State policies encouraging Aboriginal mobs to live on their traditional homelands which in turn is directly linked to Land Rights decisions stemming from the Marbo case.

So, in a blink of an eye that is white man's occupation of this continent compared to Aboriginal history the white man's government is once again talking about moving the mob on. What year are we in 2015 or 1815?

Comments above about religious & business freeloaders spot on.

Re aboriginals, I agree... Just imagine if all of a sudden new start allowance, aged pensions and single parenting pensions which are all "support" got cut. They are all groups that need our support for their own unique reason and in their own unique ways.

Re religious organisation, no way should any churches be hit for tax... That's the same as a book club or sports club or any other sort of club being hot for tax.... They don't make a profit, sell any services so they don't get taxed.

Re religious businesses, of course they should pay the same as other businesses in the for profit sector and I think they do. But in the not for profit sector they deserve the same breaks as other NFP businesses.

Church doesn't make a profit ? That's why Pell could recently afford eighty grand for a paper weight or some other such ludicrous purchase.

Well put Floyd. Totally agree.

Blowin wrote:

Are Chinese immigrants going to be forced to pay for our grand kids to live at The Bluff and surf all day cause that's what their elders did ? After all, we were here first.

If they show up in 40,000-odd years time yeah sure, why not.

Blowin wrote:

First Dog on the moon can suck my scrotum.

Right after that you can come round and do the same to mine.

So it's a matter of time is it ? How long before I can claim that the land was gifted to my people and my people only ? The world is for everyone cobber.

I'd rather not suck your scrotum mate, I'd probably have an anaphylactic reaction once I got a taste of the remnant peanut butter you smear on it to burley up that dog you're so fond of.

Blowin wrote:

So it's a matter of time is it ? How long before I can claim that the land was gifted to my people and my people only ? The world is for everyone cobber.

If you want to dumb it down to just time then I'd say about 40,000 years should do it. Get back to me then. Unless of course you're a zionist ...

blowin
Are Chinese immigrants going to be forced to pay for our grand kids to live at The Bluff and surf all day cause that's what their elders did ? After all, we were here first.

interesting thought, doesn't sound all bad though does it?

blowin
Nothing is constant in this world except change. The world is not a museum. The people living in remote communities are not exhibits in a museum.

this what really annoys me about the lefts argument, preserving their culture for our amusement, uluru is nice and kind of tasteful. but there is still something not quite right about watching the natives dance for money

Blowin wrote:

Church doesn't make a profit ? That's why Pell could recently afford eighty grand for a paper weight or some other such ludicrous purchase.

Just googled to see who Pell is.... I can see your point. What a waste of money that people who have it probably intended would be used in a benevolent manner.

For a couple of years I consulted to one of the biggest religious organisation run NFPs in The country. A church that has various community services businesses on small government grants - employment services, drugs. Youth, woman refuges, aged care etc. the businesses pay about 30% less to staff (social workers with various specialism at all levels of seniority) but luckily as an NFP the staff get a tax break which does not equate to what they would get paid in gov beareaucracy yet scores of people go ftom gov to NFP to actually help people. Their model is to run at a very small profit and maintain small capital while donating surplus, if they have any.

Most of the actual churches struggle to break even and each little church pays for a full time minister and part time administrator. The Minister gets a below average salary but works 6 days a week. In addition the churches run their own micro programs that service local community. Most of the churches need constant repairs to meet standards for PL insurance. Plus the churches need to contribute to corporate bodies, though most don't. All these little churches run a loss.....

That said it is a shame to hear that someone high up in a religious organisation has so much money to burn on crap instead of pouring it into services that can help people like the large complex organisation I gained insight into.

floyd wrote:

This forum title is Abbott / Turnbull, originally just Abbott.

The thing I know about Abbott is he will say and do anything and everything to stay in power.

The Gollum of Neocon Politics if you like.

His desire for power is all consuming and long ago burnt the last remnants of ethics and decency from his soul.

Right now he is loosing his grip on his precious and he is saying and doing everything he can to appeal to his ultra-right power base.

First it was Australia's Human Rights Commissioner, then the UN spokesperson on torture and this week its Aborigines. Hoping he isn't lining up to shirt-front Indonesia next week!

Lets all face the fact that Abbott is not a Prime Minister's boot lace and cunning little sewer rat should be given the fucking arse.

Yeah and that's why I put that link in about Abbotts Aborigine comment... He's a dud, absolutely embarrassing but it did turn into a somewhat ugly debate on Aborignes being supported.., so that where the conversation went. You are looking at things from a humane and objective perspective and that's good. Gov blows so much $$$ on garbage, I think we still have obligations to all those help... Makes us first world and good humans!!

"this what really annoys me about the lefts argument, preserving their culture for our amusement, uluru is nice and kind of tasteful. but there is still something not quite right about watching the natives dance for money......."

"Preserving their culture for our amusement"........ Purely subjective...... I don't take it that way... And I'd assume neither do the aboriginals.... I'd assume they are preserving their culture because it was nearly lost...... But anyway, if that's how you interpret it.... And no one can tell you to interpret otherwise...

As far as "dancing for money" goes, is there a problem watching ancient chinese dance for money? Or Ballet? Or celtic Irish dance? Should I feel "sad" for those other tribes of the world keeping their traditions going and making a buck at the same time?
Perhaps feeling "sad" about aboriginals earning money from their culture is an inner subconscious reflection.... They're damned if they sit on their arse... They're damned if they promote their culture and earn money from it in any way...... perhaps they should all just hurry up and die...... Or get jobs at bunnings.......

Sorry Braudillo are you implying that it's more than just time ? That Blackfellas have an intrinsic link to the country ? That they can't survive away from this country or the country can't survive without them ?

Is it Earth wide or limited to Australia ?

If it's just Australia is it the whole country or just a region ?

Sounds like bullshit to me mate. My family was from somewhere before we came to Australia. We must have been there for quite some time I'd imagine , yet I don't feel an aching within my spirit now that I'm detached from this former homeland. But then again , my forefathers didn't think that a giant multi coloured snake created the geographic features of the planet.
They probably believed that a being from the clouds did it.

An attachment is cultural. Cultures change whether they are 40000 years old or 2 years old.
It is not rascist or blasphemous or insensitive to say this.

I've been living here longer than a lot of Blackfellas and I was born here. Do I have more of a right to be here than they do ? Do I have more of a right than an immigrant ?