The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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stunet started the topic in Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:45am

Because the world would be a better place if leaders only listened to Swellnet commenters, we've created a forum that makes it easy for them to gather our thoughts.

Today's shit talk is tomorrow's policy.

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Roadkill Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 8:51pm
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“If we previously believed that there was a chance for peace, we’ve lost all faith in these people, especially after we were there and among the population”

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/hamas-pal...

Did you read this, seeds? What do you think?

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adam12 Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 8:51pm

WTF? Though for a minute Stu had nixed this horrible thread. Oh well, I don't speak "Derp" so I'm out. Have a bit to say about the World Court interim finding and prima facie Genocide ruling against Israel but fuck talking to.. well, you know so I'm out

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Roadkill Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 8:58pm

adam, you came in to announce that you’re out?

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seeds Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 9:20pm

Yes I read it. Of course there are many many aiding and abetting. Others no doubt would be scared shitless to not comply. Others would hate Hamas with passion. This is a non argument. I’ve stated numerous times I think majority of Gazans are victims of Hamas too.
I really think you guys don’t read anything we say.
Shit look at you, The Dill above stating I don’t have an original thought completely missing the piss take that I was copying your Deeerp copies of Jelly.

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Roadkill Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 9:26pm
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Yes I read it. Of course there are many many aiding and abetting. Others no doubt would be scared shitless to not comply. Others would hate Hamas with passion. This is a non argument. I’ve stated numerous times I think majority of Gazans are victims of Hamas too.
I really think you guys don’t read anything we say.
Shit look at you, The Dill above stating I don’t have an original thought completely missing the piss take that I was copying your Deeerp copies of Jelly.

I think it’s you that doesn’t read what is posted.

We know a majority of Palestinians are not victims.

“Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack.” Facts, seeds.

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adam12 Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 9:44pm
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adam, you came in to announce that you’re out?

Yep Roady, just for you I did it.
I think about you often and sometimes feel the need to keep you abreast of my movements.
I'll drop back in tomorrow and let you know how my morning one went if you like, give us your email and I can send you some pics if it suits. Maybe you can reply in "Derp" if that's easier.
Thanks for your concern.
Mahalo.

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seeds Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 9:54pm

Facts hey. Plenty of them been written and vids posted about Israel’s Zionists shitfuckery since inception. Ignored wholly by you and your ilk. Mate you keep swallowing those facts you like till you choke. Nothing will ever change while the West ignores Israel’s transgressions. Again, my very first post. Again, should have added aids and abets.
It’s you Roadkill.

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Roadkill Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:03pm
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Facts hey. Plenty of them been written and vids posted about Israel’s Zionists shitfuckery since inception. Ignored wholly by you and your ilk. Mate you keep swallowing those facts you like till you choke. Nothing will ever change while the West ignores Israel’s transgressions. Again, my very first post. Again, should have added aids and abets.
It’s you Roadkill.

But but but…everyones fault except Palestinians, hey? Gotcha.

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Roadkill Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:05pm
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adam, you came in to announce that you’re out?

Yep Roady, just for you I did it.
I think about you often and sometimes feel the need to keep you abreast of my movements.
I'll drop back in tomorrow and let you know how my morning one went if you like, give us your email and I can send you some pics if it suits. Maybe you can reply in "Derp" if that's easier.
Thanks for your concern.
Mahalo.

So you’re out then? Until you’re not, then you’re back announcing you’re out?

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seeds Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:14pm

Yeah ignore ignore ignore Roady. Head up arse muchus.
BTW posting survey facts from a right wing American Jewish publication doesn’t cut it.
Sllluuuuurrrrppppp!

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adam12 Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:21pm
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adam, you came in to announce that you’re out?

Yep Roady, just for you I did it.
I think about you often and sometimes feel the need to keep you abreast of my movements.
I'll drop back in tomorrow and let you know how my morning one went if you like, give us your email and I can send you some pics if it suits. Maybe you can reply in "Derp" if that's easier.
Thanks for your concern.
Mahalo.

So you’re out then? Until you’re not, then you’re back announcing you’re out?

Oh Roady, bit disappointed in you. Hand on heart I posted that reply and went back to what I was doing (flicking around the net and a bit of soft core perving on that chick in Species 2) and honestly thought to myself "Gee, left yourself wide open to a good comeback there, something like 'No thanks, seen enough of your shit to last me' or similar, was even going to post it for you myself but thought 'Nah, give it some time, let's see what the young lad's got' and you came back with that. Was even ready to score you big points and promote you up in Top Gun School and give you the Maverick front seat, the co pilot aka probably suits the other guy more anyway. But you let me down brah, let me down.
So points anyway for trying and keep up the good work here.
My initial post was more out of surprise that Stu hadn't finally decided to nix this shit show of a thread because hope you can agree it's pretty toxic and I really don't want to keep coming back, but check the surf on SN a lot so maybe it was just to remind myself to stay off it or risk again making a fool of myself.
Like I said, thanks, mahalo and go get 'em cowboy, you'll make Maverick yet.

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bonza Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 10:58pm
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Yeah ignore ignore ignore Roady. Head up arse muchus.
BTW posting survey facts from a right wing American Jewish publication doesn’t cut it.
Sllluuuuurrrrppppp!

Those figures referenced come from here https://pcpsr.org/en/about-psr-page and resemble similar findings from here https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/News/Pages/arab-public-opinion-about-th... of which I previously posted.
Non Jew enough for you?

Is it because they were quoted in a somewhat centre right “jew” publication the “facts” ( facts -your word ) don’t seem to matter,?

Southernraw got me on to tablet by the way. It was the Norman doidge articles….

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seeds Saturday, 27 Jan 2024 at 11:28pm

Fair enough Bonza. Any response to what else I said. And others too many times to mention. Maybe about even before Hamas.
That’s a big nope I guess.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 10:21am
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This is no surprise really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_PAoPnofQ

The USA, Canada, Australia , UK , Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Finland have all npow temporary suspended funding to UNRWA.

Let's remember Trump stopped funding back in 2018.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 10:50am

@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

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Roadkill Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 11:10am
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@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

Gawd, you really are a crybaby tell tale tit.
You can always stay away if it triggers you so much.

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Roadkill Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 11:16am
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This is no surprise really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je_PAoPnofQ

The USA, Canada, Australia , UK , Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Finland have all npow temporary suspended funding to UNRWA.

Let's remember Trump stopped funding back in 2018.

They were so quick to sack these guys, wanting to be seen to take quick action to kill further investigation, there must be more involved.

The payment of money to terrorist families also needs to be stopped. A martyr funding is about as distasteful as it can get.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 11:49am
GuySmiley wrote:

@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

Earth to @stu
You on duty today?

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basesix Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 11:50am
GuySmiley wrote:

@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

thread just dropped off organically, @Guy, coupla people took a day off. Was a sweet 24 hrs ; )

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Roadkill Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 11:54am
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@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

Earth to @stu
You on duty today?

Send him an email, like Indo suggested.
Basically demanding Stu acquiesce to your demands publicly probably won’t get you far.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 12:07pm
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GuySmiley wrote:

@stu, can you please explain why this topic is back on the front page again when,I think, for at least 24 hours you had moved it to the back pages

thread just dropped off organically, @Guy, coupla people took a day off. Was a sweet 24 hrs ; )

Thanks base6, indeed it was sweet

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burleigh Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 12:35pm

No surprise the dill is involved in another shitfight thread.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 12:58pm

Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?

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burleigh Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 1:02pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?

Same reason people slow down to look at accidents Indo.

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sypkan Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 1:08pm
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indo-dreaming wrote:

Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?

Same reason people slow down to look at accidents Indo.

really is bizarre the carry on and whinging from some about this...

with the overtly censorious fascist frown being the worst offender

dude, get over it

and stop being such a pest

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 1:59pm
adam12 wrote:

(flicking around the net and a bit of soft core perving on that chick in Species 2)

I think the theme of those movies was be careful who you have the hots for...

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 2:02pm

Some good stats and graphs in this article that measure just how the Red Sea standoff, related to Gaza conflict, is affecting the shipping the world relies on:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/red-sea-blockage-leads-out-control-shi...

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burleigh Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 2:10pm

These guys surf better than toadkill. No wonder he doesnt like them

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 2:35pm
sypkan wrote:
burleigh wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?

Same reason people slow down to look at accidents Indo.

really is bizarre the carry on and whinging from some about this...

with the overtly censorious fascist frown being the worst offender

dude, get over it

and stop being such a pest

Oh sippy accusing others of being fascist is such a sky news / rowan dean thing to do, please carry on you culture warrior you, you’re in elite company

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adam12 Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 6:18pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?

Probably/definitely directed at me.
Why do you constantly, obsessively, compulsively come here trying to 'save' Israel on a surfing website?
"I'm just discussin', you don't have to come here"
Then why do people"discussin'" call anyone who challenges them or disagrees in that discussion "Hamas simps" or "butt hurt" ("not a gay slur" though, "The term “butthurt” originates from spanking, the act of striking the buttocks of another person, which is often seen as a method of punishing a child."
According to you. Also references the pain from anal sex or rape, and striking the butt of another person doesn't just mean your mommy either btw. But I digress lest I be accused of using the "gay slur 'gaylord"" again, even though I provided you with it's dictionary definition, including for context in the last time I referenced you that way, so you weren't confused as to what I meant, but you still were anyway)

Why does that "discussin" involve? For example to @soggydog "You are a fucking idiot and washed up old fool,"
"Hamas nutter "
"I just wish kunts like you were deported, you dont deserve to live in Australia, you are bottom of the barrel traitor scum"
"and all the information you get from your reliable Hamas and other terrorist groups"?
Found them in under a minute looking back, this thread and the Voice thread littered with similar comments, endlessly.
Like the Voice debate, you punch down, you rarely discuss. Plenty have tried, like myself, but give up.
Many have just left these pages, disgusted. Lost another one this week @southern, fucking top bloke, trade you for him in any "discussion" in a minute if I could. There's plenty of others too, all who unlike you, pay for the privilege to do it but the toxicity you generate drives them away, and you keep staying.
You coming here appears to me , an opinion formed after a number of years interacting with you and observing your thoughts on these pages on particular issues, and expressed after being called a "hamas simp" by you myself when I suggested you may need help; you coming here, in my opinion, has been in manifestation of a form of mental illness I believe you may be suffering. An opinion I don't express lightly and am slightly angered myself at feeling the need to express. But throw at me and expect a slap back. Everytime.
You responded:
"As for all the other garbage, whatever i want to see Hamas gone and Isreali's not have to live in fear of another 7th October, you dont and probably would prefer to see Israel destroyed."
And:
"Anyway im going to try to go back to relevant discussion's and updates, as really aren't interested in this back and forth garbage with hamas simps. "
Do you posses the self awareness to realise how ridiculous and bent you sound?
You think this thread is some crusade and you are some sort of warrior saving Israel on a surfing website?
And doing it viciously with such malice at anyone who calls you out, doesn't take you seriously or even just disagrees?
I end up here often because on the home page your name is usually there under this or similar threads, every day I look at SN usually, and whoever said it's like watching a car crash you can't not watch is right.
I notice you have not been as prolific since I said this:
"“ You should stop coming here fetishising over the death of innocent mothers, fathers, children, elderly, entire families; repping and advocating for psychopathic war criminals. Then accusing others who are not, of doing it. I don't think you are gay, DGAF how you get your rocks off, do think you have an OCD/ mental disorder with the darkest of dark, think you display sociopathic, narcissistic, cluster B tendencies and should probably seek help, and you won't find it doing what you do here. Think you have an empathy bypass/issue."
and another similar post to you after you launched the pathetic "hamas simp" accusation again at me again for writing it.
Would hope that represents some self reflection from you but doubt it. Feel like going and having a long shower just to wash off the shit stench of feeling the need to even go there tbh. But keep referencing me as a supporter of terrorists directly, or making vague references to me like the one that prompted this rebuke today and I will respond accordingly every time no matter who thinks what of it. DGAF about that. You may think you are, and you are, relentless but let me say this to you, so am I.

So you ask "Why do people find it so hard to not click on or comment on a thread they have no interest in?"
Why do you find it so hard to not click on or comment?
Why do you have such a compulsive, obsessive interest in such dark subject matter and go on vicious attack if your thoughts are disagreed with?
And the answer is not that you are here, on a surf website in Australia with threads occupied by a bunch of larrikins and good blokes in the main, to save Israel from Hamas or attack, because that WOULD be fucking crazy, wouldn't it?
In short don't question my or anyone else's motivation for being here, that isn't your place, particularly for a freeloader. Question your own.
Genocidal gaylord.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 6:38pm

adam12 another great post showing good people don’t always need to be nice

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 7:47pm

@Adam Actually the comment wasnt directed at you, because while i agree with nothing you say, at least you have something to say about the topic (at times), it was more directed at people like Guy or AW who just come into the thread wanting it shut down, and have zero interest in the topic.

It's weird both really just cant handle hearing views they dont agree with, which in that case, just dont click the thread.

It's super easy, i hate Cricket, i hate Soccer, i clicked on maybe the soccer thread once, commented once then never again, ive got no interest in those threads so i don't even click on them or many others.

Yeah great you can "cut and paste" comments of me being abusive, i can do exactly the same for you or anyone else.

I only get abusive when i get really frustrated after engaging in discussion with others, which is natural and i can start fresh again next time not needing to be abusive straight off the bat.

Which is very different to people that are just overly aggressive and abusive without any need to be, basically just because they dont share the same view, its even worse when they dont even have an interest in the topic.

Yes i comment in this thread and i share updates because i have an interest in the topic and i fully support Israel and yes i want to see Hamas completely destroyed and i want to see Israel survive and it's people safe.

Personally i have a great respect for the Jewish people, nothing to do with the religious aspect, but just the fact they have gone through so much driven from their land, become stateless refugees for hundreds of years, then finally reclaim their homeland, then have had to fight invasion's from all borders, yet they have turned just another middle east waste land into a prosperous country and Jewish people themselves, despite all they have gone through are one of the most successful groups of people on earth.

As for Southern Raw, if you havent noticed he does this whole blow up have a sook attention seeking thing regularly, Covid thread, Indigenous issues thread and now this one there is a clear cycle with him, he starts of being this big diplomatic type guy wanting to engage in meaningful discussion, has this period where he is actually a pretty good poster keeps it all civil, and i actually like that side of him.

Then he gets frustrated with hearing views he doesn't like goes on this big sook and endless abuse, burns himself out, then makes his big announcement and departure, ready to do it all again.

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AlfredWallace Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 8:12pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Adam Actually the comment wasnt directed at you, because while i agree with nothing you say, at least you have something to say about the topic (at times), it was more directed at people like Guy or AW who just come into the thread wanting it shut down, and have zero interest in the topic.

It's weird both really just cant handle hearing views they dont agree with, which in that case, just dont click the thread.

It's super easy, i hate Cricket, i hate Soccer, i clicked on maybe the soccer thread once, commented once then never again, ive got no interest in those threads so i don't even click on them or many others.

Yeah great you can "cut and paste" comments of me being abusive, i can do exactly the same for you or anyone else.

I only get abusive when i get really frustrated after engaging in discussion with others, which is natural and i can start fresh again next time not needing to be abusive straight off the bat.

Which is very different to people that are just overly aggressive and abusive without any need to be, basically just because they dont share the same view, its even worse when they dont even have an interest in the topic.

Yes i comment in this thread and i share updates because i have an interest in the topic and i fully support Israel and yes i want to see Hamas completely destroyed and i want to see Israel survive and it's people safe.

Personally i have a great respect for the Jewish people, nothing to do with the religious aspect, but just the fact they have gone through so much driven from their land, become stateless refugees for hundreds of years, then finally reclaim their homeland, then have had to fight invasion's from all borders, yet they have turned just another middle east waste land into a prosperous country and Jewish people themselves, despite all they have gone through are one of the most successful groups of people on earth.

As for Southern Raw, if you havent noticed he does this whole blow up have a sook attention seeking thing regularly, Covid thread, Indigenous issues thread and now this one there is a clear cycle with him, he starts of being this big diplomatic type guy wanting to engage in meaningful discussion, has this period where he is actually a pretty good poster keeps it all civil, and i actually like that side of him.

Then he gets frustrated with hearing views he doesn't like goes on this big sook and endless abuse, burns himself out, then makes his big announcement and departure, ready to do it all again.

IndoScheming. Hope ya well, but I don’t think you are.

You are ‘The Right’ Dishonourable Vigilant Obsessive Compulsive Vigilante of Swellnet forums.

What’s with all this sooky la la when somebody criticises you ?

Your rebuttals have become a recurring theme of ‘he said, they said’ and so on.

Do we need a moderator?

Cop it on the chin pal, you dish it out, so swallow your medicine.

I agree with Adam12, ( which would be of no surprise to you), we can close our eyes or throw an arrow at the Swellnet forum dart board, you look up and it’s you again and again and again.

You’ve gotta come up for air at sometime.

You’re like a mushroom with its gills full of spores, impatiently waiting to drop your load and infect us all over, again.

I admire your tenacity but that’s about it. AW

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 8:25pm

See you cant help yourself, you have zero interest in this thread or topic, yet here you are complete with typical insults once again.

Only thing missing today is calls to close the thread.

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AlfredWallace Sunday, 28 Jan 2024 at 9:06pm

My insults to you are commensurate with yours to others, you definitely know who I’m talking about.

You won’t even rot in earth one day, because not one microbe will accept your electrons simply because you are inorganic not organic.

You’re a foul piece of work and you know it. AW

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@Indo,thank you for your reply. I have read it and do appreciate some of, not many, but some of the things you said.
My well is pretty much dry on this. I stand by every word I said and do feel everyone has the right to their opinion, you included and don't wish to carry on the @Indo bashing that probably adds to the toxicity of the experience of reading or commenting on this thread. Think that should cease too, but like I said I stand by my word.

We all, hopefully, love the Jews.
I can guarantee you that while you can probably count the number of Jewish friends you have had or have on both hands, I would need a calculator to count mine. I have spoken before about how my Jewish mates got me through university, took me under their wing and got me a degree. I've socialised with them, surfed with them, been to their weddings, bar mitzvahs, homes and funerals.
My mother was buried in a Jewish coffin, pine with rope handles, such was her respect, great friendships and love for them, which I shared.
I have also spoken here about the impact learning about the Holocuast had on me as a boy and how I have spent a big chunk of my life trying to understand what for and why it happened.
But I want to make one final point to you and hopefully leave it at that. I'm not enjoying this latest interaction with you to be honest, sure you aren't either.
What Netanyahu and his IDF is doing and has done to Gaza is just plain wrong, on so many levels and not worth going over. Nothing, not Hamas, not Oct.7, nothing can justify what they have done. I don't care what history or maps or talking points or tunnel systems or you tube videos or statements or even legitimate fears Israelis have of them. Nothing. It is wrong. The people they have killed, maimed, displaced, forced to have children by cesarean section or have limbs removed without anesthesia, left homeless, futureless children suffering modern day shell shock, left without families and on and on. Nothing justifies it. They are Palestinians, few Hamas have actually been killed from what I can tell, Hamas have not and cannot be destroyed that way, and the tragedy of Oct7, the fault of the Bibi government and IDF themselves really, and to my thinking, quite suspiciously, compared to the genocide, yes genocide being committed on a peoples already denied basic human rights is so far disproportionate that it is just sick, in every way. And those who cheer it on without recognising it's inhumanity are sick too. Full fucking stop.
I know and have recently spoken to hard core Jews, Jews who love Israel more than you ever could. And they are disgusted, and ashamed, and incensed at the slaughter and repercussions for Jews every where. These neo nazi nuffy ninjas parading our streets at the moment, and the rise of antisemitic sentiment across the world they lay blame not at the feet of Hamas, but at the leadership in Tel Aviv.
Real Jews, not some gentile Zionist advocate on SN. People with strong and long ties, family, property, personal history in Israel.
I also follow on twitter and am mates online with a Jewish retired lawyer in Qld., fought himself for the IDF in wars with it's neighbors, lost friends and comrades doing so, lived a large part of his life and still has family in Israel A very astute and nice man older than me, who is heavily active in calling out the Zionist Jewry here, and our PM and Foreign Minister for their pathetic response to what is going on in the ME. He is more across this issue than anyone here on this thread and probably most with an "interest" in it in this country. @TheRonBaumann.
You should take some of your research time to read through his twitter thread if this subject really interests you genuinely. He says more, understands more and makes more sense than this gentile, me, could ever wish to on this matter. I will leave it to the likes of him to carry on this "debate". I'm dry.
Other than to say I do apologise for getting so personal with you of late in this public place, would rather that I said those things to you in person and not here, but that is the nature of these threads.
If it helps I will say that those tendencies and the illness I described to you I have suffered from myself, and not online, in real life. I was born with and later acquired some of them and as a younger man was, despite my middleweight size, a very dangerous and irrational individual to be around myself and feared no one and nothing, other than the man in the mirror, who was just quietly, in part a fucking lunatic.
Good people, my mother, brother (who is nothing and was never like that) and some good women who loved me, and a very accomplished martial artist who saw how dangerous I was to myself and others and took me under his wing for a number of years teaching me to, paradoxically, fight, but much more than that, defend myself , not just from others, but more significantly myself, helped me to bury that demon and allow me to live a moderately successful and happy life. Rather than a possible early death or multiple hospilisations or lengthy jail sentence. Perhaps why I brought those things up, which I think you posses in a much much milder way, and in no way think or am accusing you of being you a danger to anyone like I once was, except maybe perhaps yourself and your own peace at heart, I went there because I am acutely aware of such things. That deranged cunt still exists deep down in me and still tries to surface to this day. I won't let him but like everyone I have a breaking point and still can scare myself at times.
My words to you recently, however harsh I understand they have been and justified I believe they were, come more from concern than anything else, an do hope you take them onboard. Sometimes a slap in the face is more arresting than a kind word.
I will broach this subject with you no more forever, and wish you luck.

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Optimist Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 8:37am

Sad….., Adam, Jelly, AW, Guy, Seeds and more I’d say…all the same person talking to and high fiving himself….time to shut down your internet and get some help mate. I’m certainly not going to waste time talking your multiple personalities anymore.

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Jelly Flater Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 8:54am

Hahaha ;)
- more pathetic bs accusations and fakery from flopti

Go get yaself some help, or back this utter garbage up below…
- it’s here for eternity haha, like your delusions and lack of empathy ;)

“There are actually 3 heavens in translation, the sky above is the first, space is the second and planet Heaven the third. ( paul talked about the third heaven) You get to planet heaven after your spirit leaves your body. When you die your spirit descends into the heart of the earth and waits. Then if approved by God you are lifted up and go through the tunnel which is probably like a wormhole in Sci Fi. If unapproved you will wait for judgement but there is no time there so you wouldn't know if you've been there a year or a hundred years. At the end of the tunnel you will be greeted by The Christ Himself in His glorified form and put on planet Heaven, a very beautiful and physical place and in your brand new physical body. Earth will also be renewed after the great tribulation so for a time there will still be two seperate habitations and eventually just one.
It is comforting to know that on my death, my heavenly father will still look after me and guide my spirit or "actual person" through the maze of death and to the renewed and promised life.
Also, If anyone is interested in the time of the end and the mark of the beast etc. I think I can answer that for you, as I have a theory which has been playing out exactly correct over the last few years.”

^^^ ya farkn spineless fantasy lawd fraud
… and here, soundtrack provided by ya mum ;)

https://m.

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Jelly Flater Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 9:04am

Hahahaha ;)
- more from z floptiverse :

“ I'll give you some keys to help unlock things yourselves....This requires some Revelation research and deep thought.
Try and picture the disciple John on a prison Island trying to figure out what Jesus was showing him in the future 2000 years ago with no knowledge of our modern world.
A rough outline but some food for thought.
The first beast is a man empowered by Satan ( from the abyss)
The second empowered by the Vatican . The Vatican (Vaticaanus) means Divining Serpent (from the earth)
The symbols of Satan are the Dragon and the Serpent.
The image of the beast is probably a Quantum computer with A.I. think Skynet. It is given life and also speaks ...A.I. again. and Siri on steroids.
The worlds finance system will be controlled by a global bank using this quantum computer system...a quantum is 100,000,000 times faster than our best now. Just add A.I and you have a real treasure. Google and China already have them.
They are building two giant computers now , one in Brussels for the EU and one in America.
The most corrupt bank on earth is the Deutsche Bank, the biggest bank in Germany and one of in the world with assets of 3 Trillion dollars and is the one that financed the Nazis and sold all the stolen gold from the Jews to finance Hitler. They launder criminal money to this day. Their main share holder is now China (the dragon again) and everyone owes them money.
The swift code for the Deutsche Bank is ...you guessed it 666
Rome and the Vatican sit on 7 hills or mountains
2 of the last 4 popes were Hitler youth.
China the dragon will work with the serpent to bring about a cashless society with a central core and one leader the new anti christ.
The beast will require everyone to be implanted with an RF chip in their right hand or a detailed facial scan"fore head" or they will not be able to trade...Do not get this!
With no cash we will enter into a new age of slavery and the mind programming has already started with the banks and Dept stores selling fear under the covid banner.
The ten kings who give their power to the beast are the new world order which has already been decided by the Club of Rome years ago.
The Club of Rome is a global think tank that has decided to divide the world into 10 financial sectors with 10 leaders (the 10 kings) One of their members is Henry Kissinger who help start the EFTPOS system. “

^^^ keys to help ‘unlock things’ ay flopti
… off to the shrink for u ya fucked up fairytale merchant ;)

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basesix Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 9:10am
Jelly Flater wrote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzsRt-fOx3A

^ most biblical clip I've seen @ Jelly..
Jeremiah 9:17 vs Luke 5:1 - 11
mash up!

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GuySmiley Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 9:45am

The resident hypocrite man of god Optiwomble demonstrating you never give an inch to FRWNJs because they will only throw it back in your face as a sign of weakness.

A big thank you Optiwomble for showing the world what you are really like … again

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basesix Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 9:56am

hey @guy, I'm not very street(net)smart.. far right wing nut job..?

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GuySmiley Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 10:02am
basesix wrote:

hey @guy, I'm not very street(net)smart.. far right wing nut job..?

Yep

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 2:05pm
adam12 wrote:

@Indo,thank you for your reply. I have read it and do appreciate some of, not many, but some of the things you said.
My well is pretty much dry on this. I stand by every word I said and do feel everyone has the right to their opinion, you included and don't wish to carry on the @Indo bashing that probably adds to the toxicity of the experience of reading or commenting on this thread. Think that should cease too, but like I said I stand by my word.

We all, hopefully, love the Jews.
I can guarantee you that while you can probably count the number of Jewish friends you have had or have on both hands, I would need a calculator to count mine. I have spoken before about how my Jewish mates got me through university, took me under their wing and got me a degree. I've socialised with them, surfed with them, been to their weddings, bar mitzvahs, homes and funerals.
My mother was buried in a Jewish coffin, pine with rope handles, such was her respect, great friendships and love for them, which I shared.
I have also spoken here about the impact learning about the Holocuast had on me as a boy and how I have spent a big chunk of my life trying to understand what for and why it happened.
But I want to make one final point to you and hopefully leave it at that. I'm not enjoying this latest interaction with you to be honest, sure you aren't either.
What Netanyahu and his IDF is doing and has done to Gaza is just plain wrong, on so many levels and not worth going over. Nothing, not Hamas, not Oct.7, nothing can justify what they have done. I don't care what history or maps or talking points or tunnel systems or you tube videos or statements or even legitimate fears Israelis have of them. Nothing. It is wrong. The people they have killed, maimed, displaced, forced to have children by cesarean section or have limbs removed without anesthesia, left homeless, futureless children suffering modern day shell shock, left without families and on and on. Nothing justifies it. They are Palestinians, few Hamas have actually been killed from what I can tell, Hamas have not and cannot be destroyed that way, and the tragedy of Oct7, the fault of the Bibi government and IDF themselves really, and to my thinking, quite suspiciously, compared to the genocide, yes genocide being committed on a peoples already denied basic human rights is so far disproportionate that it is just sick, in every way. And those who cheer it on without recognising it's inhumanity are sick too. Full fucking stop.
I know and have recently spoken to hard core Jews, Jews who love Israel more than you ever could. And they are disgusted, and ashamed, and incensed at the slaughter and repercussions for Jews every where. These neo nazi nuffy ninjas parading our streets at the moment, and the rise of antisemitic sentiment across the world they lay blame not at the feet of Hamas, but at the leadership in Tel Aviv.
Real Jews, not some gentile Zionist advocate on SN. People with strong and long ties, family, property, personal history in Israel.
I also follow on twitter and am mates online with a Jewish retired lawyer in Qld., fought himself for the IDF in wars with it's neighbors, lost friends and comrades doing so, lived a large part of his life and still has family in Israel A very astute and nice man older than me, who is heavily active in calling out the Zionist Jewry here, and our PM and Foreign Minister for their pathetic response to what is going on in the ME. He is more across this issue than anyone here on this thread and probably most with an "interest" in it in this country. @TheRonBaumann.
You should take some of your research time to read through his twitter thread if this subject really interests you genuinely. He says more, understands more and makes more sense than this gentile, me, could ever wish to on this matter. I will leave it to the likes of him to carry on this "debate". I'm dry.
Other than to say I do apologise for getting so personal with you of late in this public place, would rather that I said those things to you in person and not here, but that is the nature of these threads.
If it helps I will say that those tendencies and the illness I described to you I have suffered from myself, and not online, in real life. I was born with and later acquired some of them and as a younger man was, despite my middleweight size, a very dangerous and irrational individual to be around myself and feared no one and nothing, other than the man in the mirror, who was just quietly, in part a fucking lunatic.
Good people, my mother, brother (who is nothing and was never like that) and some good women who loved me, and a very accomplished martial artist who saw how dangerous I was to myself and others and took me under his wing for a number of years teaching me to, paradoxically, fight, but much more than that, defend myself , not just from others, but more significantly myself, helped me to bury that demon and allow me to live a moderately successful and happy life. Rather than a possible early death or multiple hospilisations or lengthy jail sentence. Perhaps why I brought those things up, which I think you posses in a much much milder way, and in no way think or am accusing you of being you a danger to anyone like I once was, except maybe perhaps yourself and your own peace at heart, I went there because I am acutely aware of such things. That deranged cunt still exists deep down in me and still tries to surface to this day. I won't let him but like everyone I have a breaking point and still can scare myself at times.
My words to you recently, however harsh I understand they have been and justified I believe they were, come more from concern than anything else, an do hope you take them onboard. Sometimes a slap in the face is more arresting than a kind word.
I will broach this subject with you no more forever, and wish you luck.

gawd..
that was hard to read

full of excuses and irrelevant emotional jibajabba

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 2:38pm

“Nothing, not Hamas, not Oct.7, nothing can justify what they have done”

Well if they hadn’t attacked and murdered a bunch of innocent Israelis, none of the Palestinians would be dead.

Hamas and some Palestinians are 100% responsible for deaths in Gaza.
So biased and full of excuses and blame shifting is our adam.

I don’t think you have the ability to take on or appreciate or even consider others views. Your hate shines through.

When you say “you’re out” you should stay out.

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 2:50pm

For your own mental health, adam.

You should stay away.

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AndyM Monday, 29 Jan 2024 at 3:05pm
Roadkill wrote:

“Nothing, not Hamas, not Oct.7, nothing can justify what they have done”

Well if they hadn’t attacked and murdered a bunch of innocent Israelis, none of the Palestinians would be dead.

Hamas and some Palestinians are 100% responsible for deaths in Gaza.
So biased and full of excuses and blame shifting is our adam.

I don’t think you have the ability to take on or appreciate or even consider others views. Your hate shines through.

When you say “you’re out” you should stay out.

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.