Vaccinate or not
Don't get on the gender bandwagon, they could also both be men but I didn't have a picture of that.
Island Bay wrote:We could also be "at war" with an enemy called obesity or suicide or cardio-vascular disease, which all kill millions. Yet in their case, we weigh up the costs and benefits (cynically perhaps, but that's what every country and society does), and come up with an acceptable compromise.
IB...in a certain sense we are already at war with obesity/suicide/cardio vascular disease. We are aware of what causes it , how to lessen the risk and also how to treat the sickness's. Information about the diseases you mentioned is available and it's up to the individual to act on the info if they have a pre-existing problem.
The problem with Covid/Delta is that everybody is affected by the virus as it's so contagious , so an individuals actions affect all of us if they decide to not follow the known science....which at present has been lockdowns/social distancing and masks....and now vaccination looks like the only way back to some semblance of normal...........
We are only at the start of "the epidemic".....we are still learning on the run, so it's important to be able to discern politics/media bias and science....listen to the peer reviewed scientists , the rest is smoke and mirrors.....
This morning came across a bit of news/?.......Pfizer actually increases the transmission of the new South African Variant.....the deadliest one yet....as Faucci predicted ....mutating Covid in poor countries with low vaccination rates.......is the biggest risk of all....as we discuss booster shots , take Pfizer from African countries who can't pay......NOW.....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9937851/New-Covid-variant-detec...
can we all have a look at this and see if it's misinformation?????
“Interesting, but it seems its for people in higher risk groups that should already be double jabbed by now..
It seems it needs to be administered through "intravenous (IV) infusion in a health care facility"
If you are the type of person in a high risk group that hasn't had the jab because paranoid about effects of Covid vaccines, i can't imagine they would be too keen on going and having an IV.
But maybe there is people that cant have the vaccine for medical reasons but can still have this?”
Indo dreaming - The age group could and probably should change - but the people that have largely contracted c have been above that age group anyhow . As for the iv which can be done in a medical centre it is an option which then would take strain off the hospitals which is what has always been the Govt rhetoric from the beginning. Remember the majority of people who get c recover at home with little problem. They are then equipped with their own natural antibodies which give them a far stronger immunity than anything else .
These people should also be allowed to have a green passport to live freely (even though the whole digital cpassport imo seems very very questionable of true intention). They should be allowed to work and live freely.
For those that do get sick with c and have underlying unrelated issues then this treatment looks to be a great and far safer option. By the way , it has been around since last year and already used successfully in the us and elsewhere but Aust delayed it ..why?
Hey Supafreak, don’t despair about that Guardian article, it’s not going to change anything here.
I would go so far as to say that there is zero chance the TGA approves Ivermectin for prophylactic use here in Australia whatever that article says or whatever evidence is presented in front of it.
My only advice is do not take it unless you have a legitimate script from a doctor.
In the studies so for it appears extraordinarily safe at the doses in the studies but the problems appear to be when individuals self medicate. Don’t do that, and be very cautious of imported Ivermectin bought over the internet, quality control over the product is basically unknown
"ckdowns,” the mass quarantine of both sick and healthy people, have never before been used for disease mitigation in the modern Western world. Previously, the strategy had been systematically ruled out by the pandemic plans of the World Health Organization (WHO) and by health experts of every developed nation. So how did we get here?
Mass lockdowns of entire countries as a technique for fighting disease sprung into the world’s consciousness on the order of Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), who fomented a global propaganda offensive targeting Western governments and media. Within weeks, the WHO, an organization that once devoted itself to fighting disease and which has sadly become a tool of Chinese foreign policy, promulgated lockdowns into global policy through a series of press conferences that showed a complete absence of analysis or logic.
The world has been fighting a virus from China with a public health policy from China that transforms the world into China. But if the national security community has noticed this bizarre development, they haven’t said so. Instead, their preoccupation has remained largely unchanged since February 2020. Insiders have confirmed that by spring 2020 the national security community was convinced that SARS-CoV-2 was a supervirus leaked from the Wuhan lab, explaining why many supported lockdowns. Yet the key pieces of information that gave rise to the lab leak theory were the videos of Wuhan residents suddenly falling dead, the contrived tale of heroic whistleblower Li Wenliang, and Xi Jinping’s apparent success locking down Wuhan, the city with the lab in it.
One national security official after another has claimed to know the virus came from the Wuhan lab, even as the underlying intelligence information has changed little. If these officials are as confident as they claim to be, great !It does not change the fact that Covid’s average infection fatality rate (IFR) across all age groups is under 0.24%. It’s long past time to address the more concerning question to which the rest of the public has long since moved on: why governments across the world have copied and continue to copy China’s anti-democratic, totalitarian measures in response to COVID-19...."
"...One after another, world leaders tipped over like dominoes, their national bureaucracies falling in line to cease all social and economic activity for the first time in history. In March 2020, the Dutch government commissioned a cost-benefit analysis concluding that the health damage from lockdown would be six times greater than the benefit. The government then ignored it, claiming “society would not accept” the optics of an elderly person unable to get an ICU bed. The Dutch government knowingly took a course of action that would cause health damage—let alone economic damage—six times worse for the Dutch people, out of a concern for optics.
Based on WHO guidance, citing Chinese journal articles, doctors around the world began putting patients on ventilators en masse, killing thousands before a grassroots campaign stopped the practice. Based on the WHO’s guidance on COVID-19 testing, again citing Chinese journal articles, labs used, and continue to use, PCR cycle thresholds from 37 to 40, and sometimes as high as 45. At these cycle threshold levels, approximately 85% to 90% of cases are false positives, as confirmed by The New York Times.
The WHO’s PCR guidance was paired with new international ICD-10 codes for COVID deaths to make COVID-19 quite possibly the deadliest accounting fraud of all time. According to this coding guidance, if a decedent had either tested positive or been in contact with anyone who had, within several weeks prior to their death, then the death should be classified as a COVID-19 death. The result was a terrifying number of supposed “COVID-19 deaths” that bore little relation to the number of “excess deaths” in a given year..."
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/masked-ball-cowardice
@tylerdurdan , I totally agree and especially that people shouldn’t self medicate without doctors prescription and guidance. No pharma company is going to submit an application for ivermectin to the TGA with all that’s involved. Merck has been given provisional determination for its new drug for early treatment. Hopefully its a winner even with its expensive price tag . US has already ordered up big and is waiting on a EUA from the powers that be . https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/tga-grants-provisional-determinatio... . https://www.merck.com/news/merck-announces-supply-agreement-with-u-s-gov... It’s just amazing what the FDA is sprouting about ivermectin even though it’s a FDA approved drug. Strange times.
"Everything since “15 days to slow the spread”—from the fear propaganda to the masks to the school closures and vaccine passes—has been a cover-up of the catastrophe that was the original lockdowns and denial of the insanity of trusting scientists and billionaires who treat information from China as real. Millions surely suspect the lockdown fraud but feel some subtle aversion to saying so. They don’t want to seem radical or unwoke, or they think it’s someone else’s job. Many refuse to speak up for fear of the backlash against science, the professional class, and China, which couldn’t be more misguided, because nothing can be worse for science and the professional class long-term than letting this fraud continue..."
"...But among those who really do believe China’s COVID-19 narrative, or merely pretend to, all the authoritarian methods that supposedly contributed to China’s “success”—including censoring, canceling, and firing those who disagree—are on the table. The vast majority of professionals simply lack the courage to speak up publicly against a fanatical minority armed with these illiberal powers in their crusade for “Zero COVID.”..."
"Journalists have flailed about to construct reality in a way that pleases the CCP and their investors while being at least remotely plausible to their middle class readers. To date, this is the best they’ve come up with: A supervirus emerged that was so deadly only Chinese totalitarianism could stop it; it caused spontaneous death in Wuhan (but nowhere else) until Xi’s two-month lockdown of Wuhan eliminated it from all of China (but nowhere else), while a steady stream of “variants” now demands indefinite lockdown measures..."
sypkan wrote:"Journalists have flailed about to construct reality in a way that pleases the CCP and their investors while being at least remotely plausible to their middle class readers. To date, this is the best they’ve come up with: A supervirus emerged that was so deadly only Chinese totalitarianism could stop it; it caused spontaneous death in Wuhan (but nowhere else) until Xi’s two-month lockdown of Wuhan eliminated it from all of China (but nowhere else), while a steady stream of “variants” now demands indefinite lockdown measures..."
OK Sypkan , I'll talk to you....so the China virus , has been overhyped and is conspiracy by China to introduce Totalitarian rule?
deaths have been overexaggerated as has the virus.....can we really accept opening up of all the country's and let it run its course? ,
If the whole Covid thingy is a Chinese conspiracy well what should we do?
"Having absorbed disinformation into policy, the formidable machinery of Western institutions has, perversely, helped promulgate a totalitarian hygiene regime around the world, and turned against those standing up for western values that politicians appear too spineless to defend. Police brutality is on the rise as law-enforcement personnel face protesters rightfully angry at the ongoing suspension of human rights through policies rationalized only by the exaggerated fears the policies themselves create, and which therefore have no endpoint. Whether COVID cases go up, down, or sideways, the solution offered by lockdown scientists and public health officials—the WHO being only the worst offender—is always the same: Be more like China. Every policy they’ve imported has been as deeply illiberal as it is ineffective, and many are disturbingly willing to suggest permanent changes to our civilization rather than admit error.
As the experiments of Stanley Milgram proved, people can be convinced to commit atrocities when ordered to do so by scientific authorities. From journalists and judges to politicians and common professionals, the public has granted health officials one exception after another to their most fundamental rights, and they’ve been misled every step of the way. Whether out of gullibility, face-saving incompetence, or something worse, they’ve brought the world to a frightening place.
For political watchers, it’s been baffling to watch leaders muddle through the most inexplicable geopolitical debacle since the Thirty Years’ War. It is equally terrifying to know that a policy catastrophe of this scale is possible in the 21st century. But judging by his regime’s activities and the story of how all this began, at least one world leader was well aware of this potential.
For Xi Jinping, lockdown was never about a virus. It was about sending a message: that stripped of all disguise, the illusion of virtue, competence, and commitment to human rights among the Western political class is nothing more than conformity with easily subvertible norms and institutions passed down by prior generations. As lockdown policies grind on into their 18th month, it’s increasingly difficult to disagree with him."
There is a app where you copy and paste text and it finds the original source. Universities use it to hunt out those that plagiarise others ideas as their own.
Half the crap being posted in here from the opposers of lockdown and vaccines are visiting some whacko sites. Pretty fun tho……
Roadkill, Sypkan posted the link to the article he was quoting.
"OK Sypkan , I'll talk to you....so the China virus , has been overhyped and is conspiracy by China to introduce Totalitarian rule?
deaths have been overexaggerated as has the virus.....can we really accept opening up of all the country's and let it run its course? ,
If the whole Covid thingy is a Chinese conspiracy well what should we do?"
there you go again brutus...
throwing around that word again willy nilly...
conspiracy!
every time!
it's like the guardian and co. have trained a whole pack of pavlov dogs...
read between the lines mate, the author is more about an establishment that has backed themselves into a corner, after embracing and acting on some pretty questionable data and info...
18 months of embracing, acting, and backing...
the author doesn't seem sure what china is up to or the virus
he does seem pretty sure what b grade bought political class, their billionaire masters, and a whole heap of well meaning minions have fallen victims to though...
Whako hey?
'a left centre bias'...
and, 'High' factual reporting...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine/%3fa...
that's a glowing review compared to the guardian...
'Mixed' factual reporting...
which is below 'Mostly factual', whch is below 'High'...
some of you crew love the guardian
it has, sadly, become utter trash...
with a bias and ownership just as questionable as fox and friends
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
choose your whacko...
Island Bay wrote:Roadkill, Sypkan posted the link to the article he was quoting.
I am not talking about any particular post.
Island Bay wrote:Roadkill, Sypkan posted the link to the article he was quoting.
Edit: and here's the bias checker on Tabletmag
sypkan wrote:"OK Sypkan , I'll talk to you....so the China virus , has been overhyped and is conspiracy by China to introduce Totalitarian rule?
deaths have been overexaggerated as has the virus.....can we really accept opening up of all the country's and let it run its course? ,
If the whole Covid thingy is a Chinese conspiracy well what shouldthere you go again brutus...
throwing around that word again willy nilly...
conspiracy!
every time!
it's like the guardian and co. have trained a whole pack of pavlov dogs...
read between the lines mate, the author is more about an establishment that has backed themselves into a corner, after embracing and acting on some pretty questionable data and info...
18 months of embracing, acting, and backing...
the author doesn't seem sure what china is up to or the virus
he does seem pretty sure what b grade bought political class, their billionaire masters, and a whole heap of well meaning minions have fallen victims to though...
OK Sypkan , so its not a conspiracy what term would you like to use to describe China's influence??
What you describe "he does seem pretty sure what b grade bought political class, their billionaire masters, and a whole heap of well meaning minions have fallen victims to though...
" is a sad description of our democracy......we all know that in the last 18 mths the rich have got a lot richer and the poor a lot poorer.....
Personally I don't care where the virus came from , just the affects on peoples health and our lux lifestyles....and what is the future for my kids and grand kids.....
"OK Sypkan , so its not a conspiracy what term would you like to use to describe China's influence??"
self interest...
good, plain old self interest... wrapped up with some ruthlessness, and a tendency to 'take a long view' planning...
"What you describe "he does seem pretty sure what b grade bought political class, their billionaire masters, and a whole heap of well meaning minions have fallen victims to though..."
self interest too...
self interest, and self preservation... for a bunch of crew who put all their eggs in one basket... several times...
and a bit of saving face...
(half of them, ...most of them... aren't even aware they've been stooged yet... they're so balls deep in, they haven't even seen the forest yet... they can't...)
" is a sad description of our democracy......we all know that in the last 18 mths the rich have got a lot richer and the poor a lot poorer.....
Personally I don't care where the virus came from , just the affects on peoples health and our lux lifestyles....and what is the future for my kids and grand kids.....
couldn't agree more
well except the where the virus came from bit...
that's kinda critical and determines all of our actions that should be taken...
and it's about time governments came clean with what they do actually know on this vital key step of information, because I see four crucial ramifications...
1) as suggested in the article, lockdowns are an over reaction by governments and leaders. because they know, or have been misinformed, of the virus' origin, and have genuinely got the bejeeezus up em...
2) governments and leaders know the virus is man made. and the various mutations are putting the bejeezus up em... because this frankenvirus could literally go anywhere...
3) they have no clue, china is stonewalling big time... still..., and the best we've got is fly in the dark... guided by a very biased but cluless and compromised science, media, political, billiinaire class...
4) the murkyness around the origin, the politics, and some seriously complicit scientists, are fuelling 'vaccine hesitancy' as much as anything else... fox news, trump, churchees etc... whatever... the usual suspects will look anywhere and blame anything, rather than face the elephant...
none of these are either / or
I actually believe it's an all in mix up of sorts...
Ok here comes a new one , Pfizer resistant , and if you have the pfizer double jab , you have 8 times more chance of getting the new Covid mutant.......In April, scientists found another South African strain — called B.1.351 — had the potential to 'break through' the Pfizer jab.
Scientists examined 400 people who had tested positive for coronavirus at least 14 days after receiving one or two doses of the jab - and 400 who tested positive with no vaccine.
The variant was eight times more prevalent in those who had two jabs than none. It was seen in 5.4 per cent of people with two doses - but 0.7 per cent of people without any."
take you pick of news site.......https://www.bing.com/search?q=South+African+Covid+new+variant+%2FPfizer+...
I thought it was an excellent article, Sypkan.
Roadkill wrote:Island Bay wrote:Roadkill, Sypkan posted the link to the article he was quoting.
I am not talking about any particular post.
Then it was an oddly timed comment.
brutus wrote:Ok here comes a new one , Pfizer resistant , and if you have the pfizer double jab , you have 8 times more chance of getting the new Covid mutant.......In April, scientists found another South African strain — called B.1.351 — had the potential to 'break through' the Pfizer jab.
Scientists examined 400 people who had tested positive for coronavirus at least 14 days after receiving one or two doses of the jab - and 400 who tested positive with no vaccine.
The variant was eight times more prevalent in those who had two jabs than none. It was seen in 5.4 per cent of people with two doses - but 0.7 per cent of people without any."
take you pick of news site.......https://www.bing.com/search?q=South+African+Covid+new+variant+%2FPfizer+...
Trust people to come up with another reason to panic.
Island Bay wrote:Roadkill wrote:Island Bay wrote:Roadkill, Sypkan posted the link to the article he was quoting.
I am not talking about any particular post.
Then it was an oddly timed comment.
Not really…just pointing out much of what is posted is basically copy and paste of others ideas/posts. Nearly all of it from the anti lockdown / anti govt / conspiracy posters.
@brutus , Scumo just announced he’s secured another 500,000 doses of Pfizer from Singapore, obviously he’s not too worried about scientists reporting on S.A. strain .
"As the experiments of Stanley Milgram proved, people can be convinced to commit atrocities when ordered to do so by scientific authorities."
Milgram "proved" nada. Nonsense, pop social psychology, but fits the writer's narrative.
Island Bay wrote:brutus wrote:Ok here comes a new one , Pfizer resistant , and if you have the pfizer double jab , you have 8 times more chance of getting the new Covid mutant.......In April, scientists found another South African strain — called B.1.351 — had the potential to 'break through' the Pfizer jab.
Scientists examined 400 people who had tested positive for coronavirus at least 14 days after receiving one or two doses of the jab - and 400 who tested positive with no vaccine.
The variant was eight times more prevalent in those who had two jabs than none. It was seen in 5.4 per cent of people with two doses - but 0.7 per cent of people without any."
take you pick of news site.......https://www.bing.com/search?q=South+African+Covid+new+variant+%2FPfizer+...
Trust people to come up with another reason to panic.
IB , no panic , a slight chuckle perhaps as to the big Pharma wars/political bullshit/media bias......if you want to check the original data on the "new" variant........https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.20.21262342v1.full
Blowin wrote:I thought it was an excellent article, Sypkan.
It was interesting.
I'm just not so sure of the central premise: that politicians and a craven media fell over each other to embrace Chinese totalitarianism/authoritarianism.
My father in law came over from UK in early March last year (2020).
He brought with him a bunch of global newspapers for me to read.
Here is the cover of the New York Times (global edition) Mar 5, 2020.
It has a scathing Op-ed on Xie Xinping on the front page, suggesting Covid may spell the end of Communist Party rule.
Not quite the same message the author of the TabletMag piece wishes to convey.
I suspect the truth is a whole lot messier and not so suited to his neat summing up.
also, paradoxically enough, a quite generous piece on Donald Trumps handling of the virus.
"I'm just not so sure of the central premise: that politicians and a craven media fell over each other to embrace Chinese totalitarianism/authoritarianism."
I don't think its so much... d5da61'fell over each other...'
as it is... 'fell into'
given little other alternatives at the time, then went so 'all in' with it, its hard to walk away from, both in the sense off the alternatives, and invested energy...
especially in oz now... big ask to go from zero to wooah...
I remember the litany of media headlines the author refers to, all the papers he refers to went hard with full authoritarian china love for a while, it was nauseating
don't dispute there was occassional balance, but they were all stroking their masters for a while...
me and blowin even commented on it at the time
Here is a more rational (IMO) opinion on lockdowns.
Lots of contra but not rabid commentary below the line.
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lockdown-effectiveness-much-more
Obviously published just before the current outbreak took off in NSW, so his views on Aus/NZ are now superseded by events.
was really wondering about what affect the new Covid variants could/would have on our Global community.
I have a World class Dr that is one of the most respected Cancer Surgeons( he also surfs) , and he actually saved my life last year.....so I put it to him about todays news on the deadly new variants that might be vaccine proof.........I respect and value his opinion beyond anyone else , in my 15 yr battle with cancer he just sent me the following breakdown of what's happening with the variants....I sent him the article on the new South African variant
Hi Maurice
Not a lot is understood about it yet and it is not a treat .....as yet........ like Delta.
It contains many mutations associated with increased infection rates and may be able to avoid antibody detection.
This means your current antibodies against COVID-19 from vaccination may not be unable to detect the C.1.2 variant. Theoretically then your immune system will be fighting it for the first time. Potentially we could be back at square one where we don't have immunity to it. This concept was also thought about Delta and it has not been the case in Israel and the UK where vaccination rates are about 70% or more. Whilst infection rates are high in the UK and Israel the hospitalisations are still low so vaccination seems to be helping.
However, in saying that we know there will be many mutations to come so it's not unexpected. The numbers with C.1.2 are still small........ unlike Delta which is out of control. Only time will tell if it will become the dominant strain or remain in small numbers.
To confuse things more the Lambda variant which was first found in Peru is now moving across South Africa is more of a concern than the C.1.2 as research has shown it can resist the antibodies induced from vaccination!!!!!!!
I think being vaccinated will still give immunity and our only chance to avoid getting really sick, hospitalised and dying if we get infected. Other treatments such as hydroxychloroquine (used to treat SLE) , Ivermectin, Azithromycin (antibiotic), Zinc, Vitamin C, etc have all be spoken about to have effects in improving outcomes and recovery of ICU patients but they are not approved by the TGA as treatments.
Most importantly, keeping a distance from people especially those melbournites, wearing a N95 mask, hand washing and avoiding people outside your circle is the way to go because you don't want to get it as you wont know which way the dice is going to roll.
Hopefully in 6 months world vaccination rates will be better and travel would be safer. In the ideal situation everyone should be vaccinated first and then allowed to travel to prevent super strains from developing but no one wants to wait for that so we will all pay the consequences of the actions of many non-believers.
I have just cancelled my trip overseas and will bunker down at Bells for the next 6 mths......
sounds like a gem of a doc...
(with a very balanced (non hysterical) perspective on 'other treatments'... which is refreshing... i thought all viccos were losing the ability to think...)
anyone who advises avoiding dirty melbournites has my vote too... jokes... maybe...
Good reply from the Dr, dont think my Doctor would even reply if i sent her an Email.
Thanks for sharing that Brutus
Great to hear from your Dr. longterm treatment with a Dr does lead to a good relationship. I’m on immunosuppressants and have been for 20 years…I have my Dr’s mobile and can ring him direct if needed. I’ve done it once in 20 years.
Track and trace and elimination strategies will fail against covid eventually but, if overplayed, can lead a country down this path:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/china-covid-surveillance-big-data...
Track and trace and elimination strategies will fail against covid eventually but, if overplayed, can lead a country down this path:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/china-covid-surveillance-big-data...I think it's pretty clear now that NSW/Vic will not be able to go back to zero cases.
Today Vicco will announce a lessening of restrictions...as behind the scenes, there was either a stage 5 lockdown for up to 2 weeks.....or a lessening of restrictions and an increased stage3-4 period . It looks like Vicco will have 80% vaccination by mid Nov....discounting U/18's......so I think that we could be in for another 10 weeks......
I wouldn't worry about the China/tracing ....as Australia has one of the highest smart phone users..."they" already have everything "they " need to know about you.....
Brutus, thanks for the letter from your Doc - approach suggested is about the best.
"Two of the FDA’s most senior vaccine leaders are exiting from their positions, raising fresh questions about the Biden administration and the way that it’s sidelined the FDA..."
ol' big joe's really killing it across the board....
"...Marion Gruber, director of the FDA’s Office of Vaccines Research & Review and 32-year veteran of the agency, will leave at the end of October, and OVRR deputy director Phil Krause, who’s been at FDA for more than a decade, will leave in November. The news, first reported by BioCentury, is a massive blow to confidence in the agency’s ability to regulate vaccines."
' ..a blow to confidence...' ...great like the US and co. can really afford that atm...
"The bombshell announcement comes at a particularly crucial moment, as boosters and children’s shots are being weighed by the regulator. The departures also come as the administration has recently jumped ahead of the FDA’s reviews of booster shots, announcing that they might be available by the week of Sept. 20..."
go joe... a real empath, a real professional, trusting the sciencey and experts and stuff...
"What finally did it for them was the White House getting ahead of FDA on booster shots."
just reeks of rabid desperation... but geez I'd love to have heard some of those conversations
https://endpts.com/breaking-in-a-major-blow-to-vaccine-efforts-senior-fd...
A PHD in cellular and molecular biology talking to US parliament about covid vaccine efficacy, or a lack-there-of regarding strains other than Alpha, caution, some heavy content:
There's also some good science getting around right now that is hypothesizing that the mRNA/adenovirus vaccines can cause serious adverse effects when it comes to infection from other pathogens e.g. influenza. Seriously terrifying hypothesis. Unfortunately, I haven't been given clearance to share it yet, but will once I get the OK.
Ape Anonymous wrote:There's also some good science getting around right now that is hypothesizing that the mRNA/adenovirus vaccines can cause serious adverse effects when it comes to infection from other pathogens e.g. influenza. Seriously terrifying hypothesis. Unfortunately, I haven't been given clearance to share it yet, but will once I get the OK.
How are you coming to the conclusion its "good science", sounds like scare mongering tripe to me.
Ape Anonymous wrote:A PHD in cellular and molecular biology talking to US parliament about covid vaccine efficacy, or a lack-there-of regarding strains other than Alpha, caution, some heavy content: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTL09pdlQyt/
There's also some good science getting around right now that is hypothesizing that the mRNA/adenovirus vaccines can cause serious adverse effects when it comes to infection from other pathogens e.g. influenza. Seriously terrifying hypothesis. Unfortunately, I haven't been given clearance to share it yet, but will once I get the OK.
“I haven't been given clearance to share it yet, but will once I get the OK”
That’s some top secret, secret squirrel stuff. Does it have TOP SECRET stamped on it like in the movies?
FWIW, I’m no epidemiologist, but I did hear a perspective today that i found interesting. From a colleague who had just finished talking to a senior health clinician.
There’s a growing sense of disquiet in medical circles about the changes in the pathogen (virus thingo - might have that wrong, please correct my terminology) that means we’re a long way from where this medical understanding started. The sense is that calling it a ‘strain’ of COVID-19 is inaccurate and some of the emerging stuff might as well be called COVID-21.
We’ve gotten better at treating symptoms / managing cases / applying protocols so the death rate is dropping, but the virus itself is evolving quickly… or something like that?
Any of the medical folk on this forum got any perspective on that? @San Guine, you’re one right?
Thanks Roadkill . She seems a VERY credible expert !
Raises my concerns that 1. Fauci and the CDC are unreliable . 2. Covid is very smart and even it does not know what is will do next . 3. That the treatment of the disease is an experiment and humans are the guinea pigs .
I really hope she is wrong and I will keep looking for answers . I will not have the vaccine yet as it may not help with the symptoms of Delta and the new variants . In lockdown I feel safe .
It also put me off getting flu jabs which I usually do .
Re: 'Top Secret' and 'scare mongering' queries, unfortunately its not that glamorous or fanciful. I work in Public Health, so when scientists provide information, we need to get their clearance/consent that it can be released to the Public.
A COVID-positive person is recovering at home after presenting to Westmead Hospital’s ED with vomiting and diarrhoea recently – not due to COVID but from an overdose of the drug ivermectin and other supposed COVID “cures” they ordered online.
Anti-science idiots are a danger to themselves and health workers.
Hey supafreak, maybe it’s time you stopped pushing your little ivermectin barrow.
Why would they be anti-science if they chose to take a drug that was clearly developed by science? Or that they chose to self administer due to a lack of support rather than a lack of knowledge? Or presenting with vomiting and diarrhoea as opposed to chest pains and breathing difficulties?
Covid positive and feeling queezy with a dose of the trots compared to being admitted to ICU and being intubated? Maybe there is something more to Ivermectin as a complimentary medicine than people in the know are letting on?
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?