Vaccinate or not
Ape, just had a quick look at the comments. Not peer reviewed and it looks like their approach/bias etc may have compromised the results. Will have to read in more detail later.
Hey VicLocal just had a look at your response.
I think you don’t really understand the system of drug approval in this country.
The TGA receives submissions for drug approval from multiple sources, usually drug companies but some times from various government bodies.
The statement by the Dep of Health probably reflects the fact that the TGA has not approved it, the TGA itself being a government department. It’s kind of like a separation of powers, the TGA is a government department which can in theory reject a submission from the department of health.
So in actual fact, to be technically correct, the department of Health cannot declare a drug “approved”, that can only be done by the TGA.
The dep of Health can however say that they are not prepared to spend the time and money on a submission to the TGA because they do not believe there is enough evidence to have it approved.
It’s a complicated system and an easy mistake to make.
Czech Republic a westernised country? What is a westernised country anyway?
garyg1412 wrote:And if you're worried that Steve Marshall's Stasi has embedded a backdoor into your phone just chuck it in the bin and get a new one.
Lol, same with the dunces whining about vaccine passports and so on (which have already existed for years) while their phone, car, payments, public cameras etc. track them 24/7 already. I'm yet to meet one of these crackpots who's anywhere near interesting enough for our government to give a fuck about in the first place. But, but freedom and like evil overlords and my privacy and and... fuck outta here.
If you're on Twitter, I highly recommend following Prof. Peter Doherty (Immunologist, Nobel Prize Winner).
He patiently replies to pretty much anyone who asks a question, and explains things in a concise, comprehensive manner.
https://twitter.com/ProfPCDoherty
He's also given plenty of good answers re: Ivermectin too.
An Australian company has a new lung diagnostic test which has had FDA and TGA approval .
The Federal Government gave them a $30m grant to build a new scanner ( their existing product uses existing xray machines ) . The new scanner is needed for young babies . 1 in 10 babies born in the world are premature . Can do the test in 4 sec with very low radiation .
There is no test now for these little pumpkins and the company already has made a prototype with scanners available for hospitals in just over a year .
san Guine...thanx for sharing the National Mental Health Chart.
Tried a few obvious o/s Flight bans / lockdowns / Covid Peak patterns
Tried States on their own + Nation wide...here's a few takes that can work together.
Could be argued that...
Sound of mind are spooked by { Gold Pass } Destinations slipping from the Board...Fark! Dead Now!
The next react to media scare Campaign..."Be afraid! Now! Said Now Damn it!" > (2 weeks later!)
Most depressed are most fearful of what lies ahead...but none care to see that...misinformation!
One can read those stats in that manner...& it does seem to fit!
Findings show that Mental fatigue + Covid are both timetabled to Flu Season.
Not by number ... but by entrenched Seasonal Flu slipping under the radar thru Festive seasons.
We only see Covid Coz that's the only game in town...but Covid only ever sees Flu as the Bully.
Gotta understand...that depressed feel equally threatened by the flu or not. (Little difference...so wot?)
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/756812
Mid Nov >Xmas >NYE = (Depression) Exhaustion > Family-Crowds > Med' Flu-Higher Covid > Go away
Easter = (Depression) Exhaustion > Family -Crowds > High Flu-Higher Covid > Go away
Mid Winter = Flu Peak > Cold > ( Most depressive Health Conditions worsen any disability )
Pursuit of Oz Happiness
Back to School all settled > (Between Xmas -Easter Flu/Covid) Affords depressed some Solitude
Last week of June ( Falls between all Autumn < > Winter Flu < > Covid Spikes )
Aug - End of Winter Low Flu > No Crowds before Footy Finals > Wedding season.
Oct wk1 - (End of Footy / Wedding commitments / Crowds ) Between Spring < > Summer Flu seasons
All perfect times for depressed people to recoup their sanity...Wotz left of it!
The depressed always avoid - 1.Crowds > 2. Exhaustion 3. Winter Aches > 4. That Killer Virus thingy.
Most are already in a lifelong Lockdown & care least for an Expert Hesitant Lockdown Tag...Go For it!
Flu still dominates seasonal Virus, Covid doubles down on Holiday Crowds which depressed long avoid.
Depressed never leave the House...so any talk of Lockdown depression is just plain Mad...All know it!
Crew are clever to know that we depressed are disabled by new Digital Mandate...less so Vax or Iso.
tbb is living a lockdown so can easily weed out Experts slotting round pegs into square Holes...'Busted!'
Salute #1 swellnet for supporting Mental Health...thanx crew for sharing Covid / Lockdown Health tips.
PS: Warning...real life hearty Mental Story!
tbb is convinced Qld Health is playing with his heart beat during a Sleep Test...Wed Night!
Same thing happened last Night at home...altering tbb's heart beat (A lot!) mid sleep?
Here's what tbb searched 1st thing...this morning...
https://metrosouth.health.qld.gov.au/news/remote-patient-monitoring
Still trying to to work out which one of 100 wires pricked or spiked a micro chip Heart modulator?
Try tellin' tbb he's a little bit mental...he's off the fuckin' charts mental!
Won't rest easy until tbb eats his heart out!
"garyg1412 wrote:
And if you're worried that Steve Marshall's Stasi has embedded a backdoor into your phone just chuck it in the bin and get a new one.
Lol, same with the dunces whining about vaccine passports and so on (which have already existed for years) while their phone, car, payments, public cameras etc. track them 24/7 already. I'm yet to meet one of these crackpots who's anywhere near interesting enough for our government to give a fuck about in the first place. But, but freedom and like evil overlords and my privacy and and... fuck outta here."
you're exposimg how small and bubbled up your bubble is there...
you see, I'm totally fine with some old school vaccine passport thingy like you refer to... because they are totally reasonable and have been around for years...
but I would be most suss., really not interested, and ready to oppose with violent protest a digital passport (not really, but I'll stand at the back of the crowd of a mob of freedom nutters...) ...this is especially the case, if the digital passport is required for everything from entertainment to public transport ...actually, if it's that wide reaching, I might step up the front... and throw a thing or two...
interesting
...which brings me to thermalben's post...
seems twitter have cut access to read comments for those without an account ...the manipulative cunts...
anyone know a way around setting up an account?
I have an old one, about 10 years old and never accessed again, ...and i like, like a lot, not needing it...
especially since jack darcy has recently so convincingly confirmed, several times at least, he's a toltally biased, manipulative, power hungry, unhealthy influence mother fucker...
".actually, if it's that wide reaching, I might step up the front... and throw a thing or two..."
I think the term we are all looking for right now is "potentially violent nutter".
I look forward to Vaccine passports because I simply don't want to be sitting next to some unvaccinated clown on a flight. (especially if I'm travelling with an unvaccinated child because they are too young to get jabbed.)
There has to be consequences for muppets making lifestyle choices that are a danger to other people.
Sypkan, I found if you scroll down before the feed fully loads it stops it from doing that and you can still click on tweets. Just get the page moving down before the black follow button loads, if that makes sense.
I don't have any issue with vaccines passports physical or digital, but id draw the line at any type of implant.
Not saying anyone is suggesting this, but just saying.
sypkan wrote:"garyg1412 wrote:
And if you're worried that Steve Marshall's Stasi has embedded a backdoor into your phone just chuck it in the bin and get a new one.
Lol, same with the dunces whining about vaccine passports and so on (which have already existed for years) while their phone, car, payments, public cameras etc. track them 24/7 already. I'm yet to meet one of these crackpots who's anywhere near interesting enough for our government to give a fuck about in the first place. But, but freedom and like evil overlords and my privacy and and... fuck outta here."
you're exposimg how small and bubbled up your bubble is there...
you see, I'm totally fine with some old school vaccine passport thingy like you refer to... because they are totally reasonable and have been around for years...
but I would be most suss., really not interested, and ready to oppose with violent protest a digital passport (not really, but I'll stand at the back of the crowd of a mob of freedom nutters...) ...this is especially the case, if the digital passport is required for everything from entertainment to public transport ...actually, if it's that wide reaching, I might step up the front... and throw a thing or two...
interesting
That being your position you may want to think about your preferred projectile and start collecting. Maybe grab some sharpies and a piece of good stiff cardboard for your witty protest placard. Oh and a stick to stick it to.
Digital Passports will be a thing and so they should be. They are already in use with QR check ins.
"Maybe grab some sharpies and a piece of good stiff cardboard for your witty protest placard. Oh and a stick to stick it to."
Cacadajy, I can definitely see sypkan being one of those "NO CONCENT" types.
I don't have any issue with vaccines passports physical or digital, but id draw the line at any type of implant.Indo you just gave me my next "Start up"
Incorporate the digital tracking covid government required thingy in a penile implant for the boys and booby implants for the girls. Government makes digital tracking implant thingy's mandatory, presto I am a billionaire.
If an implant is mandatory..... 2 birds 1 stone.
"I think the term we are all looking for right now is "potentially violent nutter"."
well everyone is if you push them enough...
bit like the blm crew smashing shit up...
""Maybe grab some sharpies and a piece of good stiff cardboard for your witty protest placard. Oh and a stick to stick it to."
Cacadajy, I can definitely see sypkan being one of those "NO CONCENT" types."
how fukn wrong you are...
again...
comprehension really isn't your strong point...
"That being your position you may want to think about your preferred projectile and start collecting. Maybe grab some sharpies and a piece of good stiff cardboard for your witty protest placard. Oh and a stick to stick it to.
Digital Passports will be a thing and so they should be. They are already in use with QR check ins."
no sign mate, just me, some chaos, and some reasonable dissent
and a mask funnily enough
"Digital Passports will be a thing and so they should be. They are already in use with QR check ins."
why does it have to be digital?
and what happens to an old chook who doesn't have a smart phone if she wants to travel? ...catch a bus even...
Cacadajy][quote=indo-dreaming wrote:I don't have any issue with vaccines passports physical or digital, but id draw the line at any type of implant.
Indo you just gave me my next "Start up"
Incorporate the digital tracking covid government required thingy in a penile implant for the boys and booby implants for the girls. Government makes digital tracking implant thingy's mandatory, presto I am a billionaire.
If an implant is mandatory..... 2 birds 1 stone.
You’ll only end up encouraging more gender non specifics. Stop now, Jeezus knows we’ve got enough
sypkan wrote:"I think the term we are all looking for right now is "potentially violent nutter"."
well everyone is if you push them enough...
bit like the blm crew smashing shit up...
Wow I mean WOW.
You're actually comparing black people getting angry about their brothers and sisters being murdered by police, with having to carry a vaccine passport.
Just between you and me, I reckon black people might have a slightly bigger grievance than the anti-vaccine passport mob.
'murdered'
haha
'anti vaccine mob'
drama queen absolutist
a karen...
The way society is heading and with the amount of self entitled narcissistic low life scum who want everything without working for it with no respect for anyone or anything means governments and the law need more power to keep us good folk safe. I can see why welfare cheats ,rapists, pedophiles and the like would object though.
The Government to reintroduce ban on entry to Sweden for travellers from the US, Israel, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro and North Macedonia https://www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reint... One of the highest vaccinated countries in the world banned, thats pretty radical.
no old dog
it's 'welfare cheats, rapists, peadophiles, and the like' that need clamping down on...
enough of this punishing all of society because of fuckwits mentality
you, and governments, have got it all arse about face, and that is what people have had enough of
Why should people be forced to have to carry a mobile phone wherever they go and be forced into a digital Id existence that only serves to make more billons of dollars for tech corporations. Aren’t they rich enough already ? I spoke early last year of the social credit system that is happening in China and impending surveillance in this country with digital Id using mobile ph apps and yet many brushed it off or gave it no serious thought , and now here we are.
People who were fighting the install of 5g towers were fighting against surveillance - facial recognition software and cameras that use 5G technology . Some did their own research because there was simply no transparency from govt. They all went up while people were in their first lockdowns. There has been continual lies, secrets and changing stories ever since this whole virus debacle began. Yet people who questioned have been called nutters . The desire to protect ones autonomy and freedom from a communist style of control seems actually very normal and sane if you ask me .
sypkan wrote:'murdered'
haha
'anti vaccine mob'
drama queen absolutist
a karen...
So putting a knee on someone's neck for over 8 minutes until they die of asphyxiation, doesn't qualify as "murder" to you sypkan, even though the cop was found guilty of murder.
You are one seriously weird unit mate.
thermalben wrote:If you're on Twitter, I highly recommend following Prof. Peter Doherty (Immunologist, Nobel Prize Winner).
He patiently replies to pretty much anyone who asks a question, and explains things in a concise, comprehensive manner.
https://twitter.com/ProfPCDoherty
He's also given plenty of good answers re: Ivermectin too.
Thanks for recommendation , I’ve been following various Professor’s around the world and have added Doherty to the list . I looked through his tweets and didn’t find a-lot about ivermectin ( only went back 7 days ) He did put up a history of ivermectin link and did answer a few questions , unfortunately one was with a Merck link . There was a few 1 day old questions that hadn’t been answered and 1 was a good question from a fellow called stu . There was also a YouTube podcast with him talking about the first ivermectin studies conducted by monash ( some people on here frown on you tube featuring Professor’s though . ) He has excellent communication and answers around vaccines though and answers heaps of questions, good stuff . Would be great to see him and Professor Clancy his junior by 1 year discussing ivermectin. Some would consider them to be too old though.
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"So putting a knee on someone's neck for over 8 minutes until they die of asphyxiation, doesn't qualify as "murder" to you sypkan, even though the cop was found guilty of murder.
You are one seriously weird unit mate."
well there's murder and there's murder mate...
and there's also trial by media hype...
do you sincerely believe the cop intended to kill floyd?
...but let's not get caught up on that mr absolutist... i was refering to your collective hyperbolic statement...
'You're actually comparing black people getting angry about their brothers and sisters being murdered by police, with having to carry a vaccine passport.'
you're over egging it a bit there... again...
so you really think this 'murder' by cops thingy is common place?
and I hate to burst your absolutists hyperbolic bubble...
again...
but I actually said...
'bit like the blm crew smashing shit up...'
and yeh, it's totally a 'bit' like that...
comprehension really ain't your thing
go hard karen, trigger yourself...
again...
"well there's murder and there's murder mate..."
What are you saying here sypkan? That putting a knee on George Floyd's neck for 8 minutes while he's saying "I can't breathe" followed by desperate calls for his "momma", and then leaving it there until he dies isn't murder.
Like I said mate, you are one weird dude.
Regardless of your political leanings, there’s no merit or honour in doubting whether Derek Chauvin committed murder. The jurisdiction in which he was tried was clear:
“To convict Chauvin on the second-degree murder charge, the jury needed to be convinced he unintentionally killed Mr Floyd while committing or trying to commit another crime — assault in the third degree.
“To convict him of third-degree murder, the jury had to believe he acted in an "eminently dangerous" way, with reckless disregard towards human life when he killed Mr Floyd.
The second-degree manslaughter charge required the jury to find he was culpably negligent in causing Mr Floyd's death.
As the jury believed each of the distinct charges were proved beyond a reasonable doubt, they were required to return guilty verdicts on all three counts.“ )
If you’re confused it’s all laid out in simple language here. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-21/derek-chauvin-murder-manslaugher-...
"do you sincerely believe the cop intended to kill floyd?"
you first no context karen...
Im tired of answering your questions, only to be met with silence when you get questioned
you have one serious superiority complex
one couldn't possibly create a better charicature of a 'my reality', words contorting, twist all to feed my virtue signalling narcicism, corporate wokester, divisive, righteous, no context karen...
you're the best
100% he knew he was going to kill him.
Back to the footy…
no way goofy
he looks like a nasty piece of work
but he ain't that stupid
pretty much no cop is...
"you have one serious superiority complex"
Over you? Fuck yeah, everyday of the week. I'm not pretending Derek Chauvin is some victim of trial by media and his actions weren't really "murder".
you still didn't answer karen
Back to the vaccinate or not topic...yes, vaccinate!
VicLocal, haven't heard back from you about disputing my take on what it means for a drug to be "approved" in this country.
And what about Czech Republic? Western country or not?
They authorised Ivermectin for emergency use in March with daily cases about 15000 and fully vaxxed rate at this point about 4%. By June 1st daily cases had dropped to about 100/day and fully vaxxed rate only about 15%.
Crazy eh?
Was this because of Ivermectin?? Who knows but as I've mentioned, we in Australia should be looking at what on earth the Czech Republic did to bring down case numbers so rapidly despite such a low vaccination rate.
As you can see by this link they had a decent lockdown for about a month then things reopened reasonably quickly. By June 8 schools reopened and groups of up to 500 were allowed.
https://www.vlada.cz/en/media-centrum/aktualne/measures-adopted-by-the-c...
Hard to know isn't it?
So back to my earlier post re dodgy PCR tests and their inability to seperate COVID from the common cold, check this https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/0572038042ec8c1f8e9abe9d0...
Plenty of evidence around
"Hard to know isn't it?"
Of course it is, because there are multiple factors that impact case numbers.
That's why national drug agencies rely on multiple well constructed clinical trials to determine whether or not a drug gets approved for treatments.
I've said it before and I will say it again. At this point in time there is insufficient evidence proving Ivermectin is an effective drug in treating covid. Hence the lack of approval in Australia and most other western nations. You and I simply don't know why the Czech republic has approve off-label use of Ivermectin. And if there was evidence it played a role in decrease the number of new infections in that country, other governments would be changing their decisions.
There's two reason why I get frustrated with the Ivermectin champions. 1. The lack of evidence it's effective and 2. If people think it's an effective treatment they are less likely to do the right thing re social distancing. That has consequences for everyone.
People like Craig Kelly and Palmer are fucking dangerous. They are cynical political operators who simply don't care about the consequences of their political opportunism.
shortenism wrote:So back to my earlier post re dodgy PCR tests and their inability to seperate COVID from the common cold, check this https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/0572038042ec8c1f8e9abe9d0...
Plenty of evidence around
Can you interpret the graph for us, please? Which part tells us about PCR tests?
Where did the flu go Jok knee? The graph shows it vanished at the same time ‘COVID’ turned up. But did it vanish or is it just re branded as COVID.
Sorry Shorto, I’m with your mate Joh knee.
What exactly are you trying to say? That there were a lot of flu cases in SA in early 2019? That’s a matter of public record, surely.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/flu-death-toll-rises-to-92-in-sou...
(Covid-19 was first reported in Australia in January 2020)
shortenism wrote:Where did the flu go Jok knee? The graph shows it vanished at the same time ‘COVID’ turned up. But did it vanish or is it just re branded as COVID.
So the graph tells us that seasonal influenza has been rebranded as COVID and that is seasonal influenza. Is that right?
Farking Hell.
Just when you thought things couldn't get any more batshit crazy than sypkan's definition of "murder" shortenism comes up wth "the seasonal flu has been rebranded as covid".
It's a pretty rare day when blowin is the third least unhinged bloke on this forum.
The graph tells us that GP practitioner entries into ASPREN remain seasonally consistent but these are entries based on ‘suspected’ influenza not test results. Influenza A and B on the other hand determined by a PCR test have all vanished since early 2020.. Why? You with me? They’ve been replaced / rebranded as COVID, which is also ide tidied by the PCR test... And I thought you two were some of the sharper punters on here..
Yep ya couldn’t make this crap up could ya Vic.
shortenism wrote:The graph tells us that GP practitioner entries into ASPREN remain seasonally consistent but these are entries based on ‘suspected’ influenza not test results. Influenza A and B on the other hand determined by a PCR test have all vanished since early 2020.. Why? You with me? They’ve been replaced / rebranded as COVID, which is also ide tidied by the PCR test... And I thought you two were some of the sharper punters on here..
Me, sharp? You got the wrong bloke.
Okay, now I follow your reasoning. Are there other possible explanations?
Hahah... That is a damn good question and I’m sure some smart arse on here is preparing a rebuttal as we speak
Says ‘diagnosed’, not ‘suspected’
Have you overlaid the reported covid figures to validate your hypothesis, or just relying on inference?
Emergency SOS alert to Hutchy19 to answer shortenism quandary
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?