Vaccinate or not
most of the fashionistas would have been coming from the other way...
but return flights
and, check out the hug a chinese person campaign that was pushed when the initial outbreak hit italy
all kinds of crazy
all kinds of possible perverse twisted crazy with a bit of hindsight...
bluediamond wrote:For indo. Not sure of credibility of source but these are the rumours.
Also u do realise people travel into and out of China who aren't Chinese? https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1094347/world-military-games-ill...
Sure that's a possibility too.
Shit first time I've seen this story.
Yeah i think we can all agree there is a lot we don't know on the early days, governments in general aren't always honest and open and well the Chinese government is on another level.
I really cannot believe this hasn't had more attention...
reported at jeff bozo's chinese peasant factory preserving washington post no less
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/...
as I said, just as suss that america doesn't seem to want to go there either...
sypkan wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1224661041495212032?la...
The opposite of social distancing :D
...josh rogin is josh rogue-in...
and has been excellent throughout this whole 'misinformation' blizzard of poo...
Sypkan - bladerunner epoch sounds about right .
Speeding towards a real life sci fi catastrophe.
Ccp stranglehold.
New home quarantine trialling using app facial recognition on your phone and gps tracking.
All linked in to your nice little qr code / passport at my gov . Predicted this when they first brought it out . Yes so handy for all the never ending variants !. But wait there’s more ....
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/sa-govt-trials-home-quarantine-app-with-f...
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100398878
“Hello are you still on the toilet ?”
“How is your poo today ?”
Indod, looks like vaccine hesitancy is still pretty strong in Indonesia. I was initially surprised by the reasons outlined here. Super interesting seeing the cultural reasons differ but the UT ones can be the same:
https://www.newmandala.org/whats-behind-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-in-in...
Anyone still thinking of not getting the jab should read this.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nothing-in-our-studies-ever-prepared...
thermalben wrote:Anyone still thinking of not getting the jab should read this.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nothing-in-our-studies-ever-prepared...
Hi Ben, it's behind a paywall, would you mind posting the text?
I could read it Ben, and yes, there are a lot of people who need to read it. We’ve been so removed from the virus in country WA. It’s like it’s not even a thing. When it does spread here we are going to have a hard time I think.
Here you go Patrick:
Michelle Rosentreter is a NSW Nurses and Midwives Association member and senior ICU nurse in a metropolitan Sydney hospital. When we spoke at noon on Friday, she was exhausted after another night in a “hot” ICU ward, trying to keep COVID patients alive.
Fitz: Firstly and most importantly, I reckon everyone in the community would want me to say THANK YOU, to you and yours, for being on the frontlines in this dreadful pandemic. How are you all going?
Rosentreter: We are exhausted. Last night was brutal. We literally hit capacity … Just holding on. None of us have ever faced anything like it. Nothing in our studies ever prepared us for this, and not even the most experienced of us have ever seen anything like it.
Fitz: I gather with COVID patients the care needs to be extraordinarily intensive, even by the standards of Intensive Care?
Rosentreter: Like nothing else. The patients are air-hungry, starving for breath. Just to turn a patient over, from on their back to on their stomach – which is something we must do regularly – and keep them breathing, needs six nurses. And we simply don’t have enough of us. We are on the edge right now, with nurses who sign on for eight-hour shifts, leaving after 12 and 14 hours!
Fitz: You sound angry at the lack of resources?
Rosentreter: We are. We have been trying to warn the government for a year. We need more nurses! They boast about the ventilators they’ve now got, but ventilators without nurses are useless. And in recent times we have lost a lot of highly trained nurses to working in the vaccination hubs. Those hubs are important, but the actual vaccinations don’t require the high level of skills that a lot of those nurses have. We need them back.
Fitz: Given how tightly stretched you all are, is it hard to see commentators and politicians say “COVID is no worse than a bad flu”?
Rosentreter: I am super cranky. We all are. People who say that simply have no idea. And there is no excuse for them saying that. How can they? We discuss them with disbelief. Beyond that, we feel disrespected. We are working around the clock to keep people alive, and they are comparing it to the flu?
Fitz: And how did you feel to see the protesters calling for an open slather end to lockdown, and making outrageous claims about the vaccines?
Rosentreter: None of us wanted to go to work when we saw that because we knew that a flood of COVID positive people would soon arrive, and they did.
Fitz: Protesters?
Rosentreter: Them or the people at home who believe what they say, and so take liberties with the protocols – and get COVID. And that is what happened. Five days after the protests, the Emergency Departments went hot, as they flooded in.
Fitz: You must have patients who regret not taking the virus seriously, who now realise what they are facing?
Rosentreter: All the time. And it’s heartbreaking. Usually, when you intubate someone and put them in an induced coma, you say “we’re just going to put you to sleep, and wake you up in a few days”. But with COVID patients we can’t say that because we don’t know if we can get them back. And they know that.
Fitz: This week we cracked 1000 fresh infections in a day. What will happen if it goes to, say, 1500 or worse? Can you cope?
Rosentreter: I can honestly say we can’t. We are at breaking point right now.
Fitz: So what, seriously, will happen if it does go to 1500?
Rosentreter: We will risk looking like the catastrophes from overseas.
Fitz: People dying in the car park?
Rosentreter: I don’t have a crystal ball. But I have no confidence we are not going to see similar scenes.
Fitz: So what do you need?
Rosentreter: We want the Commonwealth and the state government to step up now. Fast-track recruitment. Bring back the seconded staff at the screening and vaccination hubs . . .
We need more nurses on the ground, in the wards. And the Premier and the Health Minister are going to have to work out a way to get private hospitals involved. Right now, public hospitals are taking all the load. Unless they do something, you are going to have people dying for lack of resources that the private hospitals have in abundance. They need to share the load.
Fitz: Again, thank you for your precious time, and thank you for everything.
Rosentreter: Fine. I have to go back to the hospital now.
——That’s the end of the interview——
Capacity at 1000 cases a day, make no mistake 2022 will be Australia’s worst year of the pandemic, it’s going to be a nightmare for hospital staff and the unvaccinated. Consider we will be 10X or 50X those numbers next year
Please talk to your doctor about the vaccine people...
Next year is the pandemic of the unvaccinated in Australia just like it is in other countries now. Stop using excuses like you can still transmit or you won’t die. Be real
An 18 yo had a 25 minute ambulance wait this week after a heart attack.
That’s some canary in the coal mine shit right there
Certainly a reality check for some people , thanks for putting it up shoredump .
Brutus ‘not about deaths but overloading our hospitals’..? WTF. Cmon that old chestnut has been in play for nearly 2 years. Have you seen the stats and adverse reactions from the vaccine? That’s one hell of a load on the health system.
Also a bit of perspective. Do you you know how many people will die from Coronary Heart Disease today in Australia? 50. That’s 50 ppl every day that die in Australia from this. And how many have Coronary issues which don’t die. If you really want to look at where the impact on our health system comes from it’s not COVID, there’s a long line of other dis-ease, which should logically prove that if this whole thing was about saving lives and the health system there would be the $$$$ thrown at these other things.
Thanks for the NSW stats thermal, now how many of them have been vaxxed? That’s the question. I’d say it’s similar to Israel where 80-90% of new cases are fully vaccinated.
In contrast Afghanistan with a population of 40M has a 2.4% vaccination rate. Why aren’t they dropping dead?
The data what ever way you look at it (unless in total isolation) doesn’t equate to the response. It equates at best to ignoring it, opening everything up and letting ppl get their lives and sanity back.
shortenism wrote:Brutus ‘not about deaths but overloading our hospitals’..? WTF. Cmon that old chestnut has been in play for nearly 2 years. Have you seen the stats and adverse reactions from the vaccine? That’s one hell of a load on the health system.
Also a bit of perspective. Do you you know how many people will die from Coronary Heart Disease today in Australia? 50. That’s 50 ppl every day that die in Australia from this. And how many have Coronary issues which don’t die. If you really want to look at where the impact on our health system comes from it’s not COVID, there’s a long line of other dis-ease, which should logically prove that if this whole thing was about saving lives and the health system there would be the $$$$ thrown at these other things.
Shorty , please read transcript above from shoredump , how hard the Dr's/ nurses are doing it....are you even aware that there is a capacity in our hospitals and we are approaching full capacity in NSW??
I just got my 2nd AZ shot on Saturday , so my chances of catching Covid are less , if I do catch it my chances are reduced significantly of getting sick and going to hospital......which means I have joined the national/global solution in winning the war against Covid........if you are not part of the solution, you are the problem!
shortenism wrote:Thanks for the NSW stats thermal, now how many of them have been vaxxed? That’s the question. I’d say it’s similar to Israel where 80-90% of new cases are fully vaccinated.
Shortenism, I don't have those numbers.
But, AAP's Social Media Factcheck unit wrote this article a month ago:
"No, hospitalised COVID-19 patients in NSW aren’t all vaccinated"
https://www.aap.com.au/no-hospitalised-covid-19-patients-in-nsw-arent-al...
shortenism wrote:Thanks for the NSW stats thermal, now how many of them have been vaxxed? That’s the question. I’d say it’s similar to Israel where 80-90% of new cases are fully vaccinated.
Actually, I found this, from yesterday:
"There are now 813 Covid patients in hospitals across NSW – 35 more than Saturday. Currently 126 people are in intensive care, 54 of whom are on ventilators. Of those in intensive care, 113 had not received any vaccine doses, while 12 had received one dose. One patient has been double vaccinated."
So, 90% of people in intensive care have NOT received a single vaccination.
That's almost the complete opposite of what you expected.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/29/nsw-covid-update-...
I’d like to see that vaxxed rates of the 813 cases. ~12 still got to intensive care having being single dose vaxxed. One has to assume that at least 81 (prob much higher) of the total cases were vaxxed. Look at the two truckies through WA/SA both double vaxxed.
Vax rates up = Cases up = booster sales up
BTW Thermal, I didn’t say anything about intensive care numbers in Israel, I mentioned ‘cases’.
probably not a lot of fat, elderly diabetics with comorbidity in Afghanistan (these are the ones that die, average age 82)I reckon shortenism, but I claim no personal experience
I love the jump in to do the right thing sentiment Brutus but you don’t know that This is the case. If anyone does they are lying to you.
For all you know jab recipients could be creating a diabolical health burden for future generations.
Sorry, there’s no sugar coating the reality that we’ve been here before. Releasing cane toads to co from Came Beatles comes to mind..
average lifespan males in Afghanistan 64.49. hard to see that improving substantially in the short term
shortenism wrote:I’d like to see that vaxxed rates of the 813 cases. ~12 still got to intensive care having being single dose vaxxed. One has to assume that at least 81 (prob much higher) of the total cases were vaxxed. Look at the two truckies through WA/SA both double vaxxed.
Vax rates up = Cases up = booster sales up
I guess you never really thought about the (more) sales pharma would make from the unvaccinated and their on going treatment? Educate yourself.
shortenism wrote:I love the jump in to do the right thing sentiment Brutus but you don’t know that This is the case. If anyone does they are lying to you.
For all you know jab recipients could be creating a diabolical health burden for future generations.
Sorry, there’s no sugar coating the reality that we’ve been here before. Releasing cane toads to co from Came Beatles comes to mind..
There is over a million people in the UK…and over 2 million in the USA that now need long term care due to long covid..you don’t think that is a burden? but focus on something unknown at this stage. Congrats, I think you must be nearing the top 1% of people that don’t really understand much in regards to what is happening these days.
shortenism wrote:I love the jump in to do the right thing sentiment Brutus but you don’t know that This is the case. If anyone does they are lying to you.
For all you know jab recipients could be creating a diabolical health burden for future generations.
Sorry, there’s no sugar coating the reality that we’ve been here before. Releasing cane toads to co from Came Beatles comes to mind..
Shorty, I am so damn old that I had TB shots/polio/diptherea/ and numerous other vaccines which were mandatory at school...guess what they worked......and here we are again 60 yrs later talking about science/vaccinations like it's some kind of open debate and what could happen.
I just watch and listen to the scientists who are not politicians , who have a long credible track record on the current virus issues.......the evidence is overwhelming just like Climate change......listen to the scientists and not the lobby groups who are just trying to make a profit from the misery of covid..
Long-covid is real , so why would you risk it?
Covid in Kids why would you risk it?
Overloading Hospitals/health systems with unvaccinated patients...suffering from Covid, why would you risk it?
I think that now NSW and Vic could be now in for a very longterm lockdown as getting back to zero is starting to look mission impossible.............Vic will hit 80% vaccination rates mid Nov, NSW 70% same time...so what are we to do in the meantime?
First reported vaccine death in NZ.
What really rankles isn't so much that someone died -however tragic that is. It was always going to happen. But only one of the big news outlets has it on their front page.
New COVID variant detected in South Africa, most mutated variant so far. https://www.jpost.com/health-science/new-covid-variant-detected-in-south...
Island Bay wrote:First reported vaccine death in NZ.
What really rankles isn't so much that someone died -however tragic that is. It was always going to happen. But only one of the big news outlets has it on their front page.
Seeing that deaths from the vaccine are ultra rare and were made such a huge fuss of over here, such that it made people reluctant to get it, I reckon it's a good thing it's not all over the news.
Sure people need to know, I don't know the best way to do this (maybe just through the gov health website for those interested) but to over-hype one death from a vaccine when the odds of dying from COVID are orders of magnitude higher, it just weights peoples worries the wrong way.
As we've seen in Aus. Luckily with all the outbreaks across the country here everyone is getting vaccinated and at great rates which is good to see.
Strong inflexible, scepticism about everything official does not always work so well....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15997789/who-caleb-wallace-cause-of-death/
A vocal anti mask, anti vax, tough it out, don't believe anything official type of 30 year old catches and dies of Covid:
He reportedly refused to get tested and instead tried to treat himself with Vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug the FDA has urged people not to use."
"He was so hard-headed. He didn't want to see a doctor, because he didn't want to be part of the statistics with Covid tests."
But as Wallace's condition deteriorated, he had to go to hospital - and within days was put on a ventilator.
"He couldn't breathe on his own," Jessica said.
"The first week he was able to be on oxygen. By the morning of (Aug. 8), he had to be ventilated."
On Wednesday, August 25, Jessica shared an upsetting update on her Facebook page ....
"It's not looking in our favor, his lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis," she wrote.
Craig, every day we get the full, ultra-detailed rundown of stats and events since yesterday. How many case; how many vaccinations; how many have booked vaccinations (for which there are not sufficient doses) even. And when one person dies (22 in total Covid deaths in NZ), it's country-wide handwringing and tears.
Don't you think they owe it to the dead person's family, and to truth and balance, to report this?
Again Brutus, indeed why risk it. The ‘cases’ let alone mortality rates are not even a blip on the health radar. Again 50 people will die today in Australia from Coronary Heart disease, let alone the hundreds per day requiring ICU treatment and many more with check ups etc.
In the US roadkill there’s >3.2M dying every year from heart dis-ease let alone the millions others requiring ICU or other care. So in isolation COVID sounds ‘scary’ but in reality there are far bigger problems, which could/should be prioritised.
You then have to ask the question why is this being prioritised then to the extent and impact of what it is.. It’s either madness or genius if you want to control the world.
Thanks for the context IB, then yeah of course. But I feel it will be be turned into something bigger than it is, focussing on that death, I hope to be wrong.
Me too, Craig.
But judging by past experience, I am near certain that had the death been from Covid, it would have been everywhere.
Craig, you are kidding aren’t you? Cherry pick what your report based on the outcome you want.. Careful. Slippery slope.
It’s been happening here to since the beginning, so I wouldn’t blame the media hype on vaccine issues as the reason ppl don’t want it.
Well seeing as the odds of dying from a vaccine compared to COVID are incomparable I'm not cherry picking.
Chances of death from AZ in Aus is 1/1,000,000 (1 in a million) and Pfizer even less likely, death from COVID delta strain right now in Sydney is 5/1,000 (or 1 in every 200 cases).
And there's a three week lag between cases and deaths so those odds from COVID would be higher.
No cherry picking just keeping things real ya know.
Thanks shoredump
Craig - If you want to keep it real you won’t post ridiculous and false statistics like “ With Delta you’ve got a 1 in 200 chance of dying”.
Come on bloke. I’m sure it’s not ignorance driving you to claim rubbish like that. How old are you…30? You’re telling me you’ve got a 1 in 200 chance of dying if you catch Covid ? Either you’re talking dung or I’m unaware that you’ve recently put on 50kgs of fat and developed diabetes and heart disease.
Keeping it real!? Ok..
shortenism wrote:I love the jump in to do the right thing sentiment Brutus but you don’t know that This is the case. If anyone does they are lying to you.
For all you know jab recipients could be creating a diabolical health burden for future generations.
Sorry, there’s no sugar coating the reality that we’ve been here before. Releasing cane toads to co from Came Beatles comes to mind..
This article was written in 2015.
This chicken vaccine makes its virus more dangerous.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-d...
Breaking
Coronavirus pandemic
New Zealand woman dies after Pfizer jab, new cases drop
An independent COVID-19 vaccine safety noted there were other medical issues occurring at the same time which may have influenced the outcome following vaccination.
2 hours ago
Nine Media subbie needs some extra training- but notable that they’re quick to emphasise ‘other medical issues’. Which is right and proper - but perhaps inconsistent…
No mention yet of this on the ABC, but that is to be expected - and at least consistent,
Thanx for sharing Ben & crew...agree there's a message in there for all.
Anti vaxerz most likely have this posted on every link ...Rollout causes NSW Hospital Crisis.
First desperate plea from ICU to end the Health Crisis by reclaiming ICU frontline from Vax Hubs.
NSW Rollout has ramped 12x Covid & 7x death & skyrocketing with each & every Dose
More advanced the rollout the higher the % of Vaxed patients.
Please end this Breaky TV Clusterfuck of Dumbfuckery by persecuting unvaxed in Hospitals
By Xmas 5% of Unvaxed will foot the bill for 95% self inflicted Vaxed Covid patients. (Wot then!)
99.9% Death bed Vaxerz pleading they never meant to ridicule homeless unvaxed loner...'Wot'd he say!'
Note Rollout Mob grows stronger / younger & now enlisting Jocks to Hunt younger hesitant lame foals.
ACA Vax Muscle Heads lace the Kindy swings with Candy & hide in Carpark with Vax Blow Pipes.
Cyborg Army sweep the Land when will it end!
You now know why they find bones at the back of caves...That'd be the 50,000 BC pandemic."Got him!"
UK Covid wards are 70-80% vaxed patients with 4x greater odds of dying per group than the unvaxed.
Perhaps instead of hunting Bambi > divert attention to Vax experts & ask what 'less likely to die' means?
Underlying message from interview with NSW ICU Nurse :
We need more Nurses!
*Recent times we have 'Lost a Lot' of 'Highly Trained Nurses' to working in the Vax Hubs.
*Those hubs are important, but the actual vaccinations don't require the 'High Level of Skills' that a "A lot of those Nurses Have'. WE NEED THEM BACK!
We want the Commonwealth & State Govt to step up now! Fast-track recruitment.
* "BRING BACK " the seconded staff at the screening & Vax Hubs...
*We need more Nurses on the ground, IN THE WARDS.
Pretty sure the ICU nurse's message is to return Health resource & Nurses from DUMB Vax to Frontline.
In fact it's more of a desperate Cry for Help! ... All say Aye!
Here's what NSW Nurse was hinting at...sadly our reporter has never read a newspaper.
In what is a World 1st (Just humour them)
NSW Frontline Vax Mandate > 1 dose 30th Sept > 2nd Dose 30th Nov
In this case...Yes! Stats can blow torch the NSW frontline Crisis...
In ALL countries Nurses / 1st responders rank high on Vax hesitancy (40%) or only 60% will vaccinate.
2 reasons : They move by night & represent high in Young Women & pregnancy, sharing birth fears!
March Breaky TV bullied Nurse/Qld Govt into world 1st Vax Mandate for Frontline now > NSW
By May...Frontline requested Mandate be dropped & Qld were 1st to rescind Mandate Vax order.
2 vax is now restricted to Covid Ward only.
[ Fact Check ] Rollout (Oz Largest Health employer) Great pay + Zero covid + Zero Vax requirement.
Rollout - 7th Aug NSW Healthcare 80% 1 dose vaxed
Hospitals [+] 182 / Care [+] 40
Frontline 16th June Vaxed Staff [+] 56% > 7th Aug Vaxed Staff [+] 66%
Age Care 16th June Vaxed Staff [+] 64% > 7th Aug Vaxed Staff [+] 80%
NSW Health Vaxed staff spread most Covid and are spreading more with each vaccination.
Past Week 1,200 Staff in Isolation > see : Vaccinated Frontline Staff.
Note: this is 3 week old Data..NSW have buried WR Vax Ramp data every week since! All know why!
Likely that by now Vaxed Frontline represent 80-90% of NSW Health Covid cases...
ABC claim just S/W hospitals alone push out 20% covid. (NSW Hide Hubs/Chemists/GP + North Stats)
NSW Health / Com' Vax are spreading over 50% Covid...Easy & by now most would be Vaxed.
Crew can read that to condemn covid [+] spreading > Frames NSW Vax at Covid Outbreak Epicentre
No media has the guts to call the truth + Gladys will censor it before all else! (Zero Trust in Vax!)
Rollout Hubs are sponging up the former fertile Frontline Nurse resources.
By default the NSW Vax Rollout becomes the new frontline for a large number of unvaxed Nurses.
Basically to keep Nurses employed you must rollout more Vax and pipeline staff from Frontline
80% Vax...frontline is a bluff...as it was never mandated...only ever assumed! (Age Care guessing game!)
Ramp Vax > Ramp Covid > Frontline flees > Ramp Vax > Ramp Covid > Frontline Flees >
Vicious Circle becomes infectious eating itself alive...all know what to do!
Ask Commonwealth to Mandate Covid Vaccinators > Vaxed nurses will return to better pay on Frontline.
Slow Rollout > Slow Covid > Slow Cases > Relieve Crisis...all feel better now! Wot! Oh Yeah! There's that.
Imagine ACA asking if Rollout Staff have been Vaxed...watch them run! (Question is to Hot to ask!)
Lawyers back count to sue for reactions & Deaths from Non Vaxed Nurses Vax dates...yeah that too!
Ask the Govt : Is Vax Essential...crew would say so! All say Aye!
Vax Interstate = Yes! > Vax during Lockdown = Yes! > Vax in a Hot Spot = Yes!
Vax interstate from a Hot Spot during a Lockdown = No! Are you fuckin' insane!
Why? Because when push comes to shove > Vax or Shit is not deemed 'Essential' by any State Govt.
Go try...see how far yer Triple Boost Thruster Vaucluse { Gold Pass } gets you?
Xmas Island just annexed each Australian State...We're all the one Vaxed / Unvaxed Boat People Now.
PS: Each week a further 15,000 unvaxed Backpackers legally spread Covid thru all Oz / State borders
Unvaxed Backpackerz decide who gets a Lockdown & when.
We are just starting to see a change in the way deaths are reported, which is a good thing. Stats are starting to be recorded in some countries as death from covid and death with covid.
shortenism wrote:Again Brutus, indeed why risk it. The ‘cases’ let alone mortality rates are not even a blip on the health radar. Again 50 people will die today in Australia from Coronary Heart disease, let alone the hundreds per day requiring ICU treatment and many more with check ups etc.
In the US roadkill there’s >3.2M dying every year from heart dis-ease let alone the millions others requiring ICU or other care. So in isolation COVID sounds ‘scary’ but in reality there are far bigger problems, which could/should be prioritised.
You then have to ask the question why is this being prioritised then to the extent and impact of what it is.. It’s either madness or genius if you want to control the world.
this is like groundhog day......stop comparing deaths from non-contagious causes , such as heart attacks/road toll etc......if you want to use an example use one that is contagious like Covid......other wise you are comparing apples to the big banana!
Read today that 40 teenagers per day in NSW are being sent to hospital due to self harm . A huge increase coinciding with lockdowns .
We are not locking down Vic roads due to 148 dying this year on them .
Brutus, why the big hoohaa over contagious vs other? Are you saying that beheading by the Taliban is somehow more or less dead than dying from Covid?
We can't just disregard every other cause of death than those from contagious diseases.
Otherwise you should be clamouring for everyone staying indoor every winter in order to not die from the flu. Yes, fewer than from Covid, but scary and contagious compared to friendly old ischemic heart disease. (which kills 10 million every year).
Hutchy 19 wrote:Read today that 40 teenagers per day in NSW are being sent to hospital due to self harm . A huge increase coinciding with lockdowns .
We are not locking down Vic roads due to 148 dying this year on them .
So the answer is for all to get vaccinated so we can open up and get back to some normal.
So it’s a huge increase? Can you tell me what the increase is up from?
Sorry TBB but that's poor form saying frontline health workers are spreading the virus.
They're on the front line, putting their own health and that of their families they go home to working long long hours, all PPE'd up etc. They don't deserve that crap.
Craig wrote:Sorry TBB but that's poor form saying frontline health workers are spreading the virus.
They're on the front line, putting their own health and that of their families they go home to working long long hours, all PPE'd up etc. They don't deserve that crap.
Craig, check this out.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/indonesia-re...
Same thing has happened in India, Mexico, Argentina and many other countries around the world.
Also
https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20210513094607390
The loss of teaching staff and educators around the world has been decimated, especially in 3rd world countries.
Anti vaxers are too stupid to think this is a concern on going.
Island Bay wrote:Brutus, why the big hoohaa over contagious vs other? Are you saying that beheading by the Taliban is somehow more or less dead than dying from Covid?
We can't just disregard every other cause of death than those from contagious diseases.
Otherwise you should be clamouring for everyone staying indoor every winter in order to not die from the flu. Yes, fewer than from Covid, but scary and contagious compared to friendly old ischemic heart disease. (which kills 10 million every year).
my point is that we as a Nation are at war to stop a contagious enemy called Covid. This means we are all affected and part of the solution in defeating the enemy.
if you get beheaded by the Taliban , that's you and your headless body.......this enemy Covid, is trying to get you to spread the virus to one and all that you are in contact with...so death is not the only result from Covid , we are having mass disruptions in our business;s/hospitals/aged care and our personal freedoms have been clipped because of Covid..
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?