Vaccinate or not
You realise there are different vaccines BD?
so that whole premise is faulty.
Those with symptoms are tested and given medicine kits and information on quarantining and isolation, both at home and in hospitals. People without signs of COVID-19 are urged to get vaccinated and follow COVID-appropriate behaviours to prevent transmission in rural areas of India’s most populated state. https://www.who.int/india/news/feature-stories/detail/uttar-pradesh-goin... Do you think WHO didn’t know what was in those medicine kits ? https://www.news18.com/news/india/covid-19-ivermectin-tablets-to-be-dist.... https://www.mohfw.gov.in/pdf/RevisedguidelinesforHomeIsolationofmildasym...
freeride76 wrote:You realise there are different vaccines BD?
so that whole premise is faulty.
Well that's what you get for reading shit quickly on your phone while distracted by the surf. Doh. Thought it seemed outdated.
Still reckon there's heaps in there to unpack and would like to sit down properly and go through all the different links.
Also still doesn't change fact of current trial and its societal complexities if it proves to have a negative impact on your health.
Btw freeride, which vaccimes have been tested for long term side effects??
depends on the time frame, of course, but tens(hundreds?) of millions of people have been vaccinated for 6 months, assuming tens of thousands in the trials for over a year.
it would seem if vaccines were an effort to depopulate the Earth they would have worked by now?
Which long term side effects are you worried about BD?
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The side effects of getting the vaccine pale into insignificance compared to the side effects of not getting the vaccine.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink,
You can show an anti-vaxxer the facts but you cant make him think.
Surely the biggest trial is the virus itself. Cheers.
I understand your concerns BD and many others have the same questions. With boosters now being talked about and how often we will need them is also causing hesitation. There are other vaccines that we need boosters for although not as regular like Hep B ( 20 years I think ) and tetanus 10 years. https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-won...
Might be worth Swellnet shutting this topic down.
Sure, if you're personally skeptical - no worries. No one's going to force you to not get jabbed. You may lose or not get some of the privileges which we are very lucky to have in this incredibly comfy, first world society we live in. If you think that's a loss of your freedom, you might want to think a bit clearer about the freedoms vs responsibilities you had prior to Covid.
But now (and to be honest, for some time), as an adult, sharing, commenting on, or even discussing things which you are not capable to fully understanding nor are professionally qualified in is a danger to society. It's spreads the easiest, most transmissible and frankly one of the worst modern plaques - disinformation and doubt.
ffs it's like we're being invaded by aliens.....and there's a call to arms to fight back by the gov....but there's idiots who think it's best to say shit like 'are they really aliens though?' or 'I haven't personally seen them yet, have you?' or 'I don't want to go to war, it's a loss of freedom'.
Of course....shutting discussion down is like a red rag to a bull for these 'MY freedom' types....
Blowin wrote:Vic Local is a Mousey little nothing in the flesh but wait until he hits the internet when he becomes a gun totin’, varmit cussing’ hard man….lololol
It wouldn’t be as bad if he wasn’t so strident in being stupid whilst desperately trying to sound heavy. Not hard to imagine Mrs Vic Local wearing the pants in the Local household.
Want to share where you got that graph from blowin, because it doesn't at all match up with the health department figures.
Total cases in the last 7 days in NSW = 7689. Total cases from OS = 21. or .27%. Like I said, your statement that 15-20% of new cases in NSW were from overseas was and still is, complete and utter bullshit.
Source https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov...
FR my concerns are more a logical conclusion to the evidence or lack there of that's currently in front of us. What side effects am i concerned about? Well i don't know. Thats the point. Nobody knows. Not sure where you're going with the comment about earth depopulation. Thats your words not mine. I'm just concerned that the lack of studies over a longer period of time may just come back to bite us. That's why a trial requires a decent time frame. Pretty sure the Pfeizer trial (as it's stated) is due to wind up in 2023. I guess we'll know more by then.
As for all the whacko stuff, leave me outta that. I'm just worried for you, me and all sentient beings on this planet in the same way people are who are strongly advocating the jab as being for the greater good. Cheers
thanks BD , wasn't trying to imply you weren't discussing in good faith.
We have 2.33 billion who have been vaccinated now, so each month that goes by lessens the odds that something bad will happen, with such a huge sample now for data.
And therein lies the problem -encouraging censorship. How in hell can people possibly think that is ok?? I blame media for the slow and insidious brainwashing of people’s minds to think that censorship is ok. It’s a one-way road map to authoritarianism.
Every single person has the right to free speech in society.
Whether you choose to agree or disagree is totally up to you. That is what democracy is - it is having a choice to express ones own opinions and not deciding for others . You don’t have to agree with it. You don’t have to do anything with it . It is merely an opinion.
It’s a very dangerous and slippery slope to hinder free speech and encourages lazy zombie minds of people who cannot critically think for themselves. This in turn only increases division and reduces personal freedom, planting the seeds for possible dictatorship. Just look at countries where this is already rife . Stuff living like that .
We have a beautiful and incredible country here and we need to be sticking together not falling apart, no matter what our opinions are. Remember many war-mongers use that old “ divide and conquer tactic “ . Together we stand divided we fall.
Episode 858997434688 in the series of why you can’t trust a word the MSM says:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/podcaster-and-comedian-joe-ro...
Read the story above from today’s SMH. The takeaway is that Rogan is an anti-vaccine nut who is currently sick from Covid. The comments rejoice in his ill health.
The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!
saltyone wrote:It’s a very dangerous and slippery slope to hinder free speech and encourages lazy zombie minds of people who cannot critically think for themselves.
Dunning-Kruger affect x 100000000
Sure, think critically, but be wise enough to know that just because you've spent a few hours, or even a few hundred hours, you're not learned enough to take on properly qualified individuals in their own field.
Also recognise that our society is actually full of zombie mind people. Truth is, they're all looking for an easy out, an easy answer, a quick return, a safe/comfortable solution etc. etc. These people easily fall into the traps of misinformation.
And remember....misinformation doesn't always grow naturally. It usually is quite strategic. To discredit, destabilise and generally just cause harm. People craft disinformation....then the mindless zombies lap it up, share it, and think they're the ones saving the world.
Hey blowin, Where did you get your chart from?
Just provide a link champ.
"The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!"
ugly ugly ugly
fake left in full effect...
quick shouty man, boots on, man down...
All good @FR. Good to discuss.
@stok I completely understand your perspective however isn't it critical now more than ever for everyone to share as much information as possible.
For the sake of argument, and hypothetically, imagine in 3years, you start realising your body is failing you in ways it shouldnt. And it comes back to long term unstudied effects of the vaccine.
I'm on your side with the greater good of our health and society.
I'm extremely sceptical on rushing untrialled irreversible medication onto us all though.
Blowin wrote:Episode 858997434688 in the series of why you can’t trust a word the MSM says:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/podcaster-and-comedian-joe-ro...
Read the story above from today’s SMH. The takeaway is that Rogan is an anti-vaccine nut who is currently sick from Covid. The comments rejoice in his ill health.
The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!
Has Joe Rogan been vaccinated? I can't find evidence of that. Happy to be proven wrong.
Like so many others, I was worried about how quickly the covid vaccines were developed. However, reading this article alleviated my fears a bit.
https://theconversation.com/less-than-a-year-to-develop-a-covid-vaccine-...
bluediamond wrote:@stok I completely understand your perspective however isn't it critical now more than ever for everyone to share as much information as possible.
For the sake of argument, and hypothetically, imagine in 3years, you start realising your body is failing you in ways it shouldnt. And it comes back to long term unstudied effects of the vaccine.
I'm on your side with the greater good of our health and society.
I'm extremely sceptical on rushing untrialled irreversible medication onto us all though.
You seem to have a fair bit of sense, but unfortunately, there's too many who just don't.
We're also in the age of social media, search engines, alogrithms, foreign cyber terrorists, echo chambers and idiot wellness experts who are revelling in being in the spotlight. So no, unfortunately, now's not the time to share information unless you are an expert in the field.
Don't be taken in by the fear of this. I'm not freaking out about covid or the vaccine, but I know what's right and what needs to be done. Look, in 3 years time we could be all dying from a host of things which are happening - who knows!? I'm happy to take the advice from experts in the field that vaccines stay in your body for relatively short amounts of time and long term effects show them selves within a matter of months. But hey, that's just me.
The amount of pills I've chewed down over the years back in my youth have probably done way more long term damage, but hey, isn't long term damage just a part of growing up ;)
Fair enough Stok. Appreciate a well written reply without all the passion that's getting thrown around at the moment. And you definitely make some good points.
In my case, i'd say it's definitely not fear, but apprehension and just wanting to put questions forward that i'm not sure have been properly answered yet. Happy to listen and consider all sides of the debate and take in any information that is relevant. cheers mate.
Vic Local wrote:Hey blowin, Where did you get your chart from?
Just provide a link champ.
Sydney Morning Herald. It’s there everyday. Front page online. Click for details
My wifes sister is a typical anti-vaxxer, always has been always will be, says they would have to drag her kicking and screaming to get the jab. She doesn't trust doctors ,scientists, medical experts and especially the evil Government although she is pretty cozy in her 3 bedroom housing trust home on welfare having never had a job in her 60 years on this planet. She sleeps with crystals under her pillow is into alternate wellness therapies, pyramid power, and spent much of 2012 singing kumbaya in a bunker waiting for the world to end as for told by the Mayan calendar.
(Her husband is a master plumber who earns a couple grand a week cash in hand btw.)
When she heard we were both fully vaccinated she said "Oh, I'm so sorry, now I know why I've had sinus problems lately, it's because you are shedding virus from the vaccine." This of course is ridiculous and not possible. My wife asked her where she gets all her bullshit from and she said she had done her own research and believes the experts on.......wait for it.... " Frontline doctors."
A quick google fact check reveals this is an extreme right American political group famous for spreading misinformation about covid 19 whose founding members have been jailed for their part in storming the capitol building. Go figure.
Ha ha old-dog, lucky you. Does she have any tatts, only asking since most have no problem inserting that into the dermis layer of the skin
Here's your problem blowin you dopey fucker.
That 15% figure you got so very excited about is over the course of the entire pandemic. It does not mean 15% of new infections in NSW are from OS. This NSW outbreak is very much being spread by local transmission and you've completely misread the data you silly silly man.
Do you seriously think that 200 of the approximate 1300 new cases are from OS arrivals?
we will all be saved with the magic vax n them pesky antivaxxers will all be dead any day now!end of argument
Hey Blowin, you incredibly stupid person.
There's 20,148 active cases in NSW. You're claiming 15% of those have come from OS. That's 3020 active cases in HQ according to you.
What a fantasy. What a humiliation. Time to put up your hand and say "yep, I got that wrong".
Are you a big enough man to do that? I doubt it.
overthefalls wrote:Like so many others, I was worried about how quickly the covid vaccines were developed. However, reading this article alleviated my fears a bit.
https://theconversation.com/less-than-a-year-to-develop-a-covid-vaccine-...
The author makes a whole bunch of sense, right up until the point where they state ‘that nobody had died as result of a covid vaccine’.........this article was written in November 2020, a bit has happened since then.
In addition to time that has been cut by avoiding all of the red tape is that these trials already had hundreds of thousands of subjects ready made for there trial. Norman Swan discusses this well on one of his podcasts. Usually this process takes years and years to recruit
Seaslug No but she smokes.
indo-dreaming wrote:@ Vic Local
In reply to the same old same old comment made by VL in the Victoria forecast thread(didnt want to clog it up with non surf stuff)
What do you guys make of the comparisons between Aust & NZ, seeing you guys believe our government has failed because we never built quarantine facilities and couldn't secure vaccines as fast as countries overridden by Covid.
You guys are always praising Arden (especially Guy), so is she also a bad leader who has failed???
1. Both countries didnt see building quarantine facilities as a realistic answer
(NZ also found the option unfeasible)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446339/mbie-found-dedicated-miq-fac...2. New Zealand just like Australia has had trouble securing vaccines, despite the fact their population is only 4.9 million (even lower when you dont include under 18's) their current vaccination rate is just below our's, expect at some stage they will overtake us though as just have far less people to vaccinate.
3. NZ has done very well with keeping Covid out, but are also seeing an outbreak that they might not be able to control. (probably best in the long run if they dont too)
We have both been in very similar situations through the whole deal and dealt with things very similar manner, yeah NZ has done better in keeping Covid out with a lower death rate, which makes sense having a population five times less than Australia.
Actually comparing deaths of NZ, 26 of a population of 4.9 million to all our other states other than Vic & NSW it's also very similar total of 36 deaths from a population of about 10 million or so.
You never gave me a reply VL
All the debate has been so one sided, all me, me, me
No one is cheering for covid, no one, yet they’ve had a phenomenal 2 years. This is a once in 100 year success story for those little guys
I didn't give you a reply Indo because:
1. I haven't "always praised Ardern", In fact I've barely mentioned her ever and
2. I'm busy holding blowin to account for the compete and utter bullshit he keeps spreading.
An amazing group of “ experts “ on the Drum tonight, laying out all the “ facts “ about ivermectin. I couldn’t stop laughing at this pathetic attempt at reporting .
Supafreak wrote:An amazing group of “ experts “ on the Drum tonight, laying out all the “ facts “ about ivermectin. I couldn’t stop laughing at this pathetic attempt at reporting .
Was Mr Ed on?
Yes , hosting actually
Sup a freak,
You're endless pushing of ivermectin, and your criticism of any medical expert who says there's not enough evidence proving it's an effective treatment for covid, is just pathetic
People like you, Craig Kelly, Palmer, and Pete Evens, keep pushing seriously dangerous medical advice, despite having zero expertise in the field.
Ivermectin disciples have this idiotic idea that the drug can cure or prevent covid. Not only that, they are self administering the drug in dangerous ways, putting additional pressure on the health system.
We've seen a situation in NSW where a covid infected person presented to hospital with side effects from Ivermectin. Not only did this person take up much needed resources, they exposed medial staff to covid.
So STFU idiot. You're a menace.
Blowin wrote:Episode 858997434688 in the series of why you can’t trust a word the MSM says:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/podcaster-and-comedian-joe-ro...
Read the story above from today’s SMH. The takeaway is that Rogan is an anti-vaccine nut who is currently sick from Covid. The comments rejoice in his ill health.
The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!
Point me in the direction of any source that says Rogaine was vaccinated
Hiccups wrote:Blowin wrote:Episode 858997434688 in the series of why you can’t trust a word the MSM says:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/podcaster-and-comedian-joe-ro...
Read the story above from today’s SMH. The takeaway is that Rogan is an anti-vaccine nut who is currently sick from Covid. The comments rejoice in his ill health.
The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!
Point me in the direction of any source that says Rogaine was vaccinated
Yep, I look forward to having proof Rogan was vaccinated.
Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Blowin wrote:Episode 858997434688 in the series of why you can’t trust a word the MSM says:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/podcaster-and-comedian-joe-ro...
Read the story above from today’s SMH. The takeaway is that Rogan is an anti-vaccine nut who is currently sick from Covid. The comments rejoice in his ill health.
The reality is that Joe Rogan is already vaccinated. The article makes sure not to mention this inconvenient fact. The article also fails to mention that Joe Rogan is recovering and that his worst day was Sunday US time. So basically the article is full of shit and is nothing more than a dog whistle for the weirdos out there who want other people to get sick because they haven’t taken the jab….the irony is strong in this instance.
Will anyone learn anything from this? Not if the MSM can help it!
Point me in the direction of any source that says Rogaine was vaccinated
Yep, I look forward to having proof Rogan was vaccinated.
Meanwhile...*
BREAKING NEWS ...
John Travolta was hospitalized for suspected COVID-19, but doctors now confirm that it was only Saturday Night Fever, and they assure everyone that he is Staying Alive.
Apparently he had chills that were multiplying!
*crickets
His Saturday Night Fever was a result of the Syphilis he caught during some Summer Loving.
Vic Local wrote:We've seen a situation in NSW where a covid infected person presented to hospital with side effects from Ivermectin. Not only did this person take up much needed resources, they exposed medial staff to covid.
So STFU idiot. You're a menace.
Yes, a covid infected person went to hospital. That's where they quite often go. You don't know if anything he did made his covid symptoms better or worse or whether ivermectin symptoms were worse than any covid symptoms he may have had without taking ivermectin.
Covid invected obese people also present to hospital, taking up resources and exposing staff to covid. Obesity is a self inflicted condition and one associated with higher hospitalisation rates for covid infected people.
Same with type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and some anxiety conditions.
The hospital is for everyone.
PS: No doubt from Sandy.
Mr Ed interviews Joe Rogan on his Invermectin use on The Drum tonight ....
Dr Dick didn’t even watch the Drum on ABC with their panel of experts, so he now considers social media influencers are experts on covid and ivermectin . I’d say his main news source is the today show.
GuySmiley wrote:Mr Ed interviews Joe Rogan on his Invermectin use on The Drum tonight ....
Nice one Guy , very creative , I wonder if Joe asked, why the long face ?
Vic Local gets told by TV that ivermectin is bad and should be forgotten, sold to him via a simplified glorified news clip, headlines, background music and drama a plenty.
Vic immediately believes.
Supa Freak provides an abundance of detail and references related to the trials and tribulations of ivermectin et al.
Vic writes off Supa as a nutter, peddling bad and risky information.
Moral of the story = Don’t be Vic.
Supafreak wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Mr Ed interviews Joe Rogan on his Invermectin use on The Drum tonight ....
Nice one Guy , very creative , I wonder if Joe asked, why the long face ?
Straight back ya Supa, haha
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?