Vaccinate or not

bluediamond wrote:

Something that amazes me is how easily people ask others (like Indo did to me) about whether or not you are getting the jab. Isn't this highly personal, sensitive and private information about your own health and body. Would i ask Indo about his genital warts on here?? Of course not. That'd be fuckin rude.

I dont agree they are very different things, getting vaccinated for Covid isn't just about the person being vaccinated, it's a team effort we all know to get back to something resembling normal life we need to have the majority of the population vaccinated.

If i had genital warts which for the record I've never had, that isn't something that affect's anyone else, the only person i would need to tell is my sexual partner and the doctor..

BTW. I dont know which thread it is in, but I'm assuming by your take on things your aren't getting vaccinated as over wise you would be proud to say, yeah im getting vaccinated im doing my part im part of the team.

is shirako on the menu shoredump?

indo-dreaming wrote:

bluediamond wrote:

Something that amazes me is how easily people ask others (like Indo did to me) about whether or not you are getting the jab. Isn't this highly personal, sensitive and private information about your own health and body. Would i ask Indo about his genital warts on here?? Of course not. That'd be fuckin rude.

I dont agree they are very different things, getting vaccinated for Covid isn't just about the person being vaccinated, it's a team effort we all know to get back to something resembling normal life we need to have the majority of the population vaccinated.

If i had genital warts which for the record I've never had, that isn't something that affect's anyone else, the only person i would need to tell is my sexual partner and the doctor..

BTW. I dont know which thread it is in, but I'm assuming by your take on things your aren't getting vaccinated as over wise you would be proud to say, yeah im getting vaccinated im doing my part im part of the team.

Obviously BD doesn’t get it. The selfish it’s-all-about-me crowd never do. They make irrelevant comparisons (warts) to prove just how small thinking they are. Furthermore, if they or their family or friends could not get treatment for any number off issues due to crowded hospitals dealing with covid they would be the biggest bunch of whiners, crybabies, finger pointing morons around.

NSW ambulance service is at capacity and now about to be overwhelmed. Another reason to vaccinate…the list goes on.

Maybe it should be vaccinated get 1st pickup and care? Not prepared to do the right thing then get treated with the same respect you gave others? An extreme example that should not happen but it really is easy to do the right thing.

The fact that BD asked stoners on a surfing forum for advice about the long term effects of getting vaccinated says it all.

You can ask me about genital warts, BD.

Geez, they're all coming out firing this morning....warts and all!! Especially the crew taking part in the medical trial.
Ta Stu. Something to keep in mind should i need to question strangers on their medical history.

bluediamond wrote:

Geez, they're all coming out firing this morning....warts and all!! Especially the crew taking part in the medical trial. .

@ Viclocal

See here is a great example of how this is not a left or right thing.

Im a conservative and pro Covid vax.

While on the flip side here we have Blue diamond who's views are generally very left leaning but has the opposite view.

Like I've said on this issue you really cant tell what view people will take based on political/social leanings.

I just had my second just now. Waiting for the mandatory 15 mins to finish and I'm out the door. Very efficient, no fuss and hopefully no side-effects to come.

My reason to get the vax without hesitation is probably a little more selfish. I just want the vax certificate so hopefully I can start traveling again soon.

It's amazing, not once have i stated a stance on whether i'm pro or anti vaccine, yet above, crew have been quick to jump to assumptions. I've been painstakingly careful not to jump on a side for that very reason. Yet, the same crew wanna jump on and insult anyone that doesn't categorically agree with them.

I asked a serious question yesterday about whether those who have posted they've had the vaccine know if it has any long term health effects. The answer, so far has been a no, hence, if this current roll out of a vaccine isn't classed as a trial, based on the fact there's no empirical data of long term effects, then what is it??

Also, i'm not into the whole anti vax thing per se. I'm just like alot of people, quietly suspicious that things just aren't adding up and i'm hesitant to buy what's being force fed into our whole way of living.
I've just finished reading an 87 page document by the US congress that was published early August. As far as i know, they would have to be considered a voice of authority on all the goings on (not that i'm sure i entirely trust their motives either).
But for the sake of the debate, i'm just saying the places i am getting my information from aren't youtube conspiracy theory videos. I'm reading as much as i can when i can from sources that have credibility.
This paper unequivocally states that Covid was almost certainly started in a lab, not by a bat. No surprises there really.
It then goes on to say that furthermore, it's highly likely it was already in the community months earlier than they thought.

So i thought about that. And i did more research. I looked at Wuhan. A city of 10million people. I looked at the airport. On a good day, it has a turnover of 80,000 passengers. And i thought some more. So a highly contagious virus, one that we have to stay locked indoors and wear masks everywhere to stop the spread, was already alive and in the community for at least two months!! Yet the smart virus decided not to travel overseas for 2 months until it was made official that there was a deadly virus. How could that be?? Is it just a great stroke of luck that a city of 10million people didn't spread the virus world wide in those 2 months before it was made official and announced to the public?

So yeah, for me if they couldn't get the start of the whole story right, which parts now am i supposed to believe.
Again, this was the US congress. Not an anti vax website.
Go read the paper if you like. Like i said, all i am is a concerned citizen that see's alot of things aren't adding up and is trying to find out why.

Had to Google it Fliplid, a little mouth vomit followed

Indo Dreaming,
Of course being pro or anti vax isn't a pure left / right divide. Nobody says it was.
In the USA, the delta variant is impacting right leaning states and evangelic churches much harder than the blue state.
In Australia, the overwhelming majority of ringleaders behind the anti-vax / anti-lockdown movement are conservative mischief makers like Yemini, Smit, Jones, Palmer, Kelly, Kennett, Credlin etc. etc. Go put up a list of high profile "lefties" with big megaphones encouraging the mob, and I might take you seriously.
I'll wait.

There are far right republican tea party conspiracy nut jobs in the US congress who put politics ahead of factual medical scientific facts. Just saying. Doing your own "research" is the root cause of many of todays problems.

keep asking those questions bluediamond!

you're getting closer to the truth... the 2 month thingy... many have talked about this, it was around no doubt, ...just not attributed to, and called covid... or wuhan virus... or wuflu... or kung fu flu... or a heap of other things... until we got the china approved pc name...

hate to disrupt the antivaxxer pile on, with an anti vax bomb...

but a massive push in oz now to make 12-16 year old vaccinations compulsory, well not compulsory, ...we can't say that... but you know, you'll be treated as a leper if you don't mandatory or something....

anyway, no fucking way I would be vaccinating my 12 - 16 yo kids on the current 'evidence' and dogmatic fast flowing bullshit... no way at all...

and especially so with the mrna vaxes... which is their 'solution' to the AZ 'problem'

btw, had my second shot last week, much less painfull than the first one

and my genital warts have healed nicely

We won't ask for photographic evidence, Sypkan.

The QR code combined with c passport. I wonder - will the QR code be removed or be non mandatory once the virus has become “endemic “ and seen more as a yearly flu as is being forecasted?
( Remember not that long ago when scomo said the qr would never become mandatory?) ——
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12161126

Blue diamond, the Covid vaccines are in phase 4 of their clinical trials, due to be complete in 2023. Phase 4 are “post approval” trials so yes the vaccines are still technically under trial.
The phase 3 trial were conducted rapidly and at huge expense by the drug companies, with in principle approval of the respective governments because of the beloved urgency

Is it possible to make QR code mandatory...
Nope ?

"Is it possible to make QR code mandatory...
Nope ?"

is it possible to live a life remotely resembling 'normal' without it?

nope

Is it possible to make QR code mandatory...
Nope ?
Absolutely, if you are not prepared to sign in at Bunnings, they have every right to tell you to fuck off. Same wth pretty much every private enterprise and many public ones too.
There will be consequences for being an arse, be it refusing to scan in or refusing to get vaccinated. It's called being held accountable for your actions.

bali has already gone hard down this path...

and tbh, it's kinda brutal really

we once worried about 'the digital divide' and asociated issues of equality... the kind of crew that once did, are eerily silent now....

while i personally won't have a problem not entering malls and football games, the issues of freedom of movement will get everyone eventually...

france is the place to watch, apparently plenty of crew and cops just walking off the job as a result... one definite benefit to a relatively generous covid safety net... it makes dissent much easier...

Some have misunderstood what I meant.
I meant - will “signing in” either with QR code or manually be expected once the virus has become endemic and treated the same as regular yearly flu as govt has suggested ? Will the QR code be scrapped as they said it would be. Just wondering. .

vicvocal the shouty man cannot sign up quick enough to the wuhan surveillance state...

to be expected I guess... when poo bear and his belt tied gimp are your idols...

it's a bloody good question saltyone...

but you won't get any sense out of half of the mindless minions on here...

but I think we can guess the answer...

covid and it's variants aren't going anywhere

Vic Local wrote:

Is it possible to make QR code mandatory...
Nope ?
Absolutely, if you are not prepared to sign in at Bunnings, they have every right to tell you to fuck off. Same wth pretty much every private enterprise and many public ones too.
There will be consequences for being an arse, be it refusing to scan in or refusing to get vaccinated. It's called being held accountable for your actions.

More than happy to sign in ...but with pen and paper not via electronic means
QR phone sign in cannot be made mandatory.

as a related and indicative issue...

just announced, bali not likely to open to toursts until november 2022

let that sink in people... november 2022...

an island desperate to open it's main industry, who have desperately announced unrealistic opening dates...

In the short term vaccine passports and QR codes to assist in tracing will be important to facilitate opening up.

Given the viruses ease of transmission, ability to mutate, be carried by vaccinated people and how immunity wanes, longer term they will seen as about as practical as a world wide effort to stop all mosquito bites by attempting to trace every mosquito bite and having a passport for those who regularly use mosquito repellent.

Hopefully all the billions on research will find some left field simple treatment option. For example in Canada they have found in trials that a nasal spray of nitric oxide reduces viral load by 95%.

I'm prepared to go on the record that I firmly believe the CCP seeded the world with covid for reasons that Ive stated before.

Not necessarily as part of the great re-set but for their version of the great re-ret.

It's worked out quite nicely for them don't you think?

"It's worked out quite nicely for them don't you think?"

yes and no...

it's exposed them as the ruthless cunts they are... some crew were just delusional about ths... still are...

...things are definitely a changing though as a result...

slowly slowly... and subtly subtly...

even those great globalist china lubbing gimps at the EU have changed their tune if you read between the lines...

belatedly... begrudgingly...

"More than happy to sign in ...but with pen and paper not via electronic means
QR phone sign in cannot be made mandatory."

better carry your own pen and paper to the airport...

bluediamond wrote:

It's amazing, not once have i stated a stance on whether i'm pro or anti vaccine, yet above, crew have been quick to jump to assumptions. I've been painstakingly careful not to jump on a side for that very reason. Yet, the same crew wanna jump on and insult anyone that doesn't categorically agree with them.

I asked a serious question yesterday about whether those who have posted they've had the vaccine know if it has any long term health effects. The answer, so far has been a no, hence, if this current roll out of a vaccine isn't classed as a trial, based on the fact there's no empirical data of long term effects, then what is it??

Also, i'm not into the whole anti vax thing per se. I'm just like alot of people, quietly suspicious that things just aren't adding up and i'm hesitant to buy what's being force fed into our whole way of living.
I've just finished reading an 87 page document by the US congress that was published early August. As far as i know, they would have to be considered a voice of authority on all the goings on (not that i'm sure i entirely trust their motives either).
But for the sake of the debate, i'm just saying the places i am getting my information from aren't youtube conspiracy theory videos. I'm reading as much as i can when i can from sources that have credibility.
This paper unequivocally states that Covid was almost certainly started in a lab, not by a bat. No surprises there really.
It then goes on to say that furthermore, it's highly likely it was already in the community months earlier than they thought.

So i thought about that. And i did more research. I looked at Wuhan. A city of 10million people. I looked at the airport. On a good day, it has a turnover of 80,000 passengers. And i thought some more. So a highly contagious virus, one that we have to stay locked indoors and wear masks everywhere to stop the spread, was already alive and in the community for at least two months!! Yet the smart virus decided not to travel overseas for 2 months until it was made official that there was a deadly virus. How could that be?? Is it just a great stroke of luck that a city of 10million people didn't spread the virus world wide in those 2 months before it was made official and announced to the public?

So yeah, for me if they couldn't get the start of the whole story right, which parts now am i supposed to believe.
Again, this was the US congress. Not an anti vax website.
Go read the paper if you like. Like i said, all i am is a concerned citizen that see's alot of things aren't adding up and is trying to find out why.

Uses every anti vax line to not appear anti vax….it’s hilarious to read.

QR code
no phone no problem manual sign in is o.k.

"In the short term vaccine passports and QR codes to assist in tracing will be important to facilitate opening up.

Given the viruses ease of transmission, ability to mutate, be carried by vaccinated people and how immunity wanes, longer term they will seen as about as practical as a world wide effort to stop all mosquito bites by attempting to trace every mosquito bite and having a passport for those who regularly use mosquito repellent."

yeh, plenty of crew saying it will become redundant pretty quick...

probably redundant about the same time it gets up and running in oz... because that's how we do stuff now...

i don't really believe it will though, it'll be repurposed, or needed to deal with never ending variants...

or, like most things, it'll be held onto years well past it's use by date... which should just about take us up to the bladerunner epoch, where it'll be deemed 'necessary' for all sorts of reasons...

"...Hopefully all the billions on research will find some left field simple treatment option. For example in Canada they have found in trials that a nasal spray of nitric oxide reduces viral load by 95%."

now we are talking!

that'll get the kids onboard...

"QR code
no phone no problem manual sign in is o.k."

not in bali

non negotiable

but i guess they ironed out their equality of access issues long ago....

Roadkill do you care to elaborate on that or are you just another troll that takes pot shots without actually explaining yourself. 'Uses every anti vax line to not appear anti vax….it’s hilarious to read.'
All i've presented in what i wrote is evidence, from a source that should be regarded as reputable.
Where have i stated anything that wasn't fact or reasonable assumptions from what i posted?
And while i'm at it, would you care to explain your take on what i posted above?
If you're going to throw rocks at least have the balls to back up what you're saying with a counter argument.

Vic Local wrote:

Indo Dreaming,
Of course being pro or anti vax isn't a pure left / right divide. Nobody says it was.
In the USA, the delta variant is impacting right leaning states and evangelic churches much harder than the blue state.
In Australia, the overwhelming majority of ringleaders behind the anti-vax / anti-lockdown movement are conservative mischief makers like Yemini, Smit, Jones, Palmer, Kelly, Kennett, Credlin etc. etc. Go put up a list of high profile "lefties" with big megaphones encouraging the mob, and I might take you seriously.
I'll wait.

I dont follow lefties(and of that list above Avi is the only one i follow) so i wouldn't know, but all i know is that i come across a lot of everyday lefties like Blue Diamond, and that's how most people these days are influenced not so much by high profile people but by friends and family generally through social media.

sypkan wrote:

as a related and indicative issue...

just announced, bali not likely to open to toursts until november 2022

let that sink in people... november 2022...

an island desperate to open it's main industry, who have desperately announced unrealistic opening dates...

Havent read that yet, will have a look in a minute.

But seems a bit weird, lots of other countries are open to tourist and Bali vaccination rate is now getting quite high.

Once they hit a certain level of vaccination its not going to get much higher and Covid isn't going anywhere, you would think they would just start allowing fully vaccinated travellers.

I just dont understand what it means for movement between Bali and other areas of Indonesia though, could they say you can come to Bali but not go to other Islands?...is that realistic?

To get vaccination rates to decent levels across Indo could take years, maybe thats why such a delay.

bluediamond wrote:

Also, i'm not into the whole anti vax thing per se. I'm just like alot of people, quietly suspicious that things just aren't adding up and i'm hesitant to buy what's being force fed into our whole way of living.
I've just finished reading an 87 page document by the US congress that was published early August. As far as i know, they would have to be considered a voice of authority on all the goings on (not that i'm sure i entirely trust their motives either).
But for the sake of the debate, i'm just saying the places i am getting my information from aren't youtube conspiracy theory videos. I'm reading as much as i can when i can from sources that have credibility.
This paper unequivocally states that Covid was almost certainly started in a lab, not by a bat. No surprises there really.
It then goes on to say that furthermore, it's highly likely it was already in the community months earlier than they thought.

So i thought about that. And i did more research. I looked at Wuhan. A city of 10million people. I looked at the airport. On a good day, it has a turnover of 80,000 passengers. And i thought some more. So a highly contagious virus, one that we have to stay locked indoors and wear masks everywhere to stop the spread, was already alive and in the community for at least two months!! Yet the smart virus decided not to travel overseas for 2 months until it was made official that there was a deadly virus. How could that be?? Is it just a great stroke of luck that a city of 10million people didn't spread the virus world wide in those 2 months before it was made official and announced to the public?

So yeah, for me if they couldn't get the start of the whole story right, which parts now am i supposed to believe.
Again, this was the US congress. Not an anti vax website.
Go read the paper if you like. Like i said, all i am is a concerned citizen that see's alot of things aren't adding up and is trying to find out why.

I think the acceptance that it leaked from a Lab is now pretty mainstream and even accepted as the most likely scenario.

It doesn't mean anything fishy though, but hey who knows.

On why it took so long to get out of China, it would be interesting to hear an explanation from someone in the know.

But id expect the amount of people that travel internationally in China would be pretty small percentage of the population reducing the likelihood.

A quick google found about 10% of Chinese have passports while for comparison it's almost 60% in Australia and id expect similar for most developed countries, and then the percentage of people that had traveled internationally from Wuhan in that period you would expect would be much lower than passport holders, realistically it could be a few percentage of Wuhan population or less.

It was also probably in other countries a bit earlier than recorded as most people dont get heavily affected by Covid so would have possibly only picked it up when someone got very sick and it couldn't be explained or when they started testing looking for Covid?

Not saying the report was right or wrong.
Just saying it's been put in the public sphere by what is considered to be a 'reputable' agency and based on those two things it's open for discussion and leaves alot of questions unanswered if in fact it was true.
Um, Indo, 10 percent of Chinese is more people than there are in Australia you do realise right?

"Havent read that yet, will have a look in a minute.

But seems a bit weird, lots of other countries are open to tourist and Bali vaccination rate is now getting quite high.

Once they hit a certain level of vaccination its not going to get much higher and Covid isn't going anywhere, you would think they would just start allowing fully vaccinated travellers.

I just dont understand what it means for movement between Bali and other areas of Indonesia though, could they say you can come to Bali but not go to other Islands?...is that realistic?

To get vaccination rates to decent levels across Indo could take years, maybe thats why such a delay."

it was actually about some big convention planned for noveber 2022. they were saying cannot really see bali opening up to tourist visas before this

they also seemed to think opening up other islands sooner was an option

I guess they don't wanna blow the big convention thingy or bali is cooked...

I may be wrong, I only half read it, but will try find it later

'business visas' will be back on before that I guess...

they seem to be maintaining a sustaining trickle of eurotrash

most of them already are already vaxxed, need to be to travel... except for a few antivaxxers and their dodgy letters sneaking in...

"A quick google found about 10% of Chinese have passports" - IndoD

Maths isn't my strong point but isn't that about 140 million people???

"On why it took so long to get out of China, it would be interesting to hear an explanation from someone in the know.

But id expect the amount of people that travel internationally in China would be pretty small percentage of the population reducing the likelihood."

it's been sequenced and dated as being in italy as early as september, no one is suggesting it could have started in italy

except the chinese...

there was a ridiculous number of weekly flights china-italy pre corona

all those high end virtuing fashionista types... exploiting the slave labour....

Deaths in Australia from Covid for the 0-20 age bracket since the virus commenced : Zero. None.Nil.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/more-than-40-nsw-children-and-teenag...

Blowin wrote:

Deaths in Australia from Covid for the 0-20 age bracket since the virus commenced : Zero. None.Nil.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/more-than-40-nsw-children-and-teenag...

Blowin , you still don't understand it's not about the deaths , but hospitalizations and our health system melting down.
Imagine if you went to hospital with your parents who were suffering in a bad way from health complications....but they couldn't get in as the Hospital was full of Covid infections from people who wouldn't vaccinate....and you lost your parents/parent . How would you feel?

I know you don't check links , but here's the story of a couple of 18 yr olds in Sydney who went to Hell and back...https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/29/i-wasnt-certain-i...

I think the first cases recorded elsewhere was 15th Feb, but its safe to say it would have been elsewhere earlier so lets say 1st Feb

At that point China had reported 10,000 cases, but I'm sure in reality cases would be much higher, but even if we were to say 50,000 people

If you we were to pick out 50,000 people from a population of 1.4 billion, your chances of coming across people who had a passport and then actually traveled internationally around the time would be quite low.

I can see how it could take a while to even exit the country, especially if the majority of the cases were in everyday communities or lower class communities whom are unlikely to be traveling internationally.

The market was suppose to be ground zero so if this was a major point it spread out from, then the likelihood is the people who got it were more common type people who wouldn't be traveling internationally as id expect people that are a bit better off wouldn't be shopping at markets (but im just going off how things are in Indonesia assuming other asian cultures are similar)

Who knows, those people at the lab that got sick in Nov 2019 were probably smart enough to self isolate even if they didn't know what they were sick with, but maybe they passed it on to a maid etc who then spread it to the market, or something like that, who knows.

I think the cases from market are around Dec 8th 2019

sypkan wrote:

"On why it took so long to get out of China, it would be interesting to hear an explanation from someone in the know.

But id expect the amount of people that travel internationally in China would be pretty small percentage of the population reducing the likelihood."

it's been sequenced and dated as being in italy as early as september, no one is suggesting it could have started in italy

except the chinese...

there was a ridiculous number of weekly flights china-italy pre corona

all those high end virtuing fashionista types... exploiting the slave labour....

Shit September...Wow those Wuhan workers were sick in November

Ok I had the story a bit mixed up, but generally right

G20 in november

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223306861934032&id=4007340...

For indo. Not sure of credibility of source but these are the rumours.
Also u do realise people travel into and out of China who aren't Chinese? https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1094347/world-military-games-ill...

"Shit September...Wow those Wuhan workers were sick in November"

it may have been october, not sure now, but it was well before china's first case they acknowledged, and that's why they jumped on it

and i've seen people question the dating process...

either way, the virus could have been festering around for months before someone got seriously sick and diagnosed as something beyond 'flu like symptons'...

don't forget tbb's timeline...

super super suss there were apparently workers in full virus kit at the wuhan military games in october...

and super super suss no one has really talked about this in hindsight at all... not italy... not even the US!