Vaccinate or not
Roadkill wrote:you seem totally ignorant to some of the conplete backflip changing (developing) positions from the WHO vicvocal
Actually, science will keep collecting and updating data…as more evidence is looked at and reviewed, science can change and often does. It’s not always a case of backflipping but updating what is known.
Exactly Roadkill. I'm happy to accept new scientific opinions based on research. What I won't cop is people making statements with zero evidence to back them up, especially when the misinformation has consequences. Yes blowin I'm talking about your bullshit about covid having a 99.98% survival rate. If enough people believe that bullshit, they won't get vaccinated, lockdowns will be much longer, and good doctors and nurses have to pick up the pieces.
Don't waste my time with spin from one of the governments big 4 PR firms.
Shortenism, the world is a better place because of vaccinations. Many diseases are controlled / treated or eradicated by science / vaccinations.
Roadkill wrote:Shortenism, the world is a better place because of vaccinations. Many diseases are controlled / treated or eradicated by science / vaccinations.
Didn't you read Shortenism's comment? Stop wasting his time with your pro-vaccine nonsense.
"Saying Covid is effectively over in the UK on Nov 2020 is wrong. There's no doubting that."
maybe now... with delta...
maybe it was a reasonable position to take when he said it...
just like it was reasonable in november for the WHO to say the lab leak theory is pure conspiracy.... cough cough... (it really wasn't reasonable at all ...even then...)
""well qualified". That may be true once, but even a quick check of this guy's ridiculous recent statements proves he has zero credibility anymore."
that's pure opinion dr. google...
you referencing 'hate.com' again?
"Misinformation like this has consequences. Anti-vaxxers are ending up in body bags, and they also prolong lockdowns. They are stupid cunts. Now that would be fine if they are only harming themselves. but they are causing mayhem for others.
You seem to have a bigger problem with me calling out pure bullshit than the nutters spreading dangerous and completely inaccurate information. Weird set of priorities mate."
getting all dramatic again karen
your misinformation of choice is just as dangerous if not more from my perspective, which quite possibly is also leading to body bags, that is my priorities, correcting your gross overeach
amongst other things
"Vic, for all you know as a result of taking your jab(s) you could end up being a total vegetable with sypkan feeding you from a straw in years to come. Be nice to your fellow humans."
well I do often work with the mentally retarded, often the disabled and dangerous... and I've only ever turned one client down, because he was too difficult, often angry and dangerous...
I'm thinking vicvocal's no. 2
Yep Roadkill, that appears to be the view and may have been around for a long time, so the risks/rewards are well understood aren't they. On the other hand, with these COVID vaccines (those being peddled currently) about the only thing you know for sure is the flimsy promise of freedom.
Nothing to do with pro or anti vaccination. Its just an observation of a situation where you are being made to jump through hoops to win your freedoms back and as history tells us it never ends well.
Vic Local wrote:Roadkill wrote:you seem totally ignorant to some of the conplete backflip changing (developing) positions from the WHO vicvocal
Actually, science will keep collecting and updating data…as more evidence is looked at and reviewed, science can change and often does. It’s not always a case of backflipping but updating what is known.
Exactly Roadkill. I'm happy to accept new scientific opinions based on research. What I won't cop is people making statements with zero evidence to back them up, especially when the misinformation has consequences. Yes blowin I'm talking about your bullshit about covid having a 99.98% survival rate. If enough people believe that bullshit, they won't get vaccinated, lockdowns will be much longer, and good doctors and nurses have to pick up the pieces.
actually a lot of it was purely political, and nothing to do with science correcting itself
lying about masks
lying about human transmission
lying about closing borders
lying about china being cooperative trasnparent and forthright with data
lying about the possibility of lab leak
and funnily enough, being all over the shop on asymptonatic transmission... with positions not much different from the doc you are questioning...
sypkan wrote:"Vic, for all you know as a result of taking your jab(s) you could end up being a total vegetable with sypkan feeding you from a straw in years to come. Be nice to your fellow humans."
well I do often work with the mentally retarded, often the disabled and dangerous... and I've only ever turned one client down, because he was too difficult, often angry and dangerous...
I'm thinking vicvocal's no. 2
this may seem a a bit mean...
but I mean mentally retarded in the purest sense of the term... retarded thought processes... seems evident...
defintely too difficult, too angry, too dangerous...
More than 900 pages of materials related to US.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit by The Intercept. https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus.... The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful.
The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful.
— Richard H. Ebright (@R_H_Ebright) September 7, 2021
The way the media is these days it’s hard to know what to believe . https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9958207/Scientist-reveals-heard...
Fauci has lied to Congress. He’s fkd.
He will get off , not sure how but he will .
that sounds like 'misinformation'
careful, you'll fire up the suppository of all wisdom...
again...
better get googling karen
seems there's much counter resurch to be done...
Sure know how to start a party megzee, I think you’ve gone viral!
Appreciate you sharing it, Megzee.
Appreciate the dialogue that followed too.
Vaccine passports a'coming, as we knew they would.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-issuing-vaccine-passpo...
On one level, I'm fairly conflicted over this, but on another I've got a milestone birthday coming up and plan to celebrate it on a foreign coast.
stunet wrote:Vaccine passports a'coming, as we knew they would.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-issuing-vaccine-passpo...
On one level, I'm fairly conflicted over this, but on another I've got a milestone birthday coming up and plan to celebrate it on a foreign coast.
I have no issue with them, im actually looking forward to this, it's progress and the whole home quarantine thing too.(mentioned in article)
my first OS trip will be to Bribie Island.
hopefully this year.
Here you go Supafreak
Yep the totalitarian tip toe. It didn’t take long did it. Those crazy conspiracy nutters where right on this too.. Of course you are feeling conflicted Stunet. How you gonna feel having to line up for your 5 month booster to keep your freedoms? I reckon you might start to realise it’s all a very bad idea by your 2nd or 3rd booster.
And Indo what about those yellow tapped arrows on the floor at the supermarket - looking forward to those becoming part of the new retail design code too.. Jeezus..
stunet wrote:Vaccine passports a'coming, as we knew they would.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-issuing-vaccine-passpo...
On one level, I'm fairly conflicted over this, but on another I've got a milestone birthday coming up and plan to celebrate it on a foreign coast.
Awesome..great stuff.
I hope they bring in huge fines in the 000’s if anyone is caught with fake passports.
I have a feeling that comment will age as well as all your others, Shortenism.
shortenism wrote:Yep the totalitarian tip toe. It didn’t take long did it. Those crazy conspiracy nutters where right on this too.. Of course you are feeling conflicted Stunet. How you gonna feel having to line up for your 5 month booster to keep your freedoms? I reckon you might start to realise it’s all a very bad idea by your 2nd or 3rd booster.
And Indo what about those yellow tapped arrows on the floor at the supermarket - looking forward to those becoming part of the new retail design code too.. Jeezus..
How about boosters to keep you out of hospital and to protect others more vulnerable?
So selfish as usual, Shortenism…I wonder if you will ever wake up and get that it isn’t about you?
indo-dreaming wrote:Here you go Supafreak
@indo , bit funny how he was promoting being healthy while puffing on a cigar , the critics will pick up on that . People wishing he got really sick shows how sick the world is . Some people wish people were dead over differences of opinion and experience.
So selfish ei roadkill.. I should unselfishly comply with these new rules and completely fk the next generation as they are prodded, poked, eye scanned, temperature checked, sniffer dogged into oblivion..
So selfish ei roadkill.. I should unselfishly comply with these new rules and completely fk the next generation as they are prodded, poked, eye scanned, temperature checked, sniffer dogged into oblivion..
All so they can go and stand on little yellow arrows to buy bread, water and toilet paper in rationed proportions of course. Utopia!
But believe it or not in the face of this totalitarian roadmap being laid out before us, I have a high level of confidence that it will all disappear as quickly as it turned up..
That’s the thing with hype. It’s hard to maintain and as history shows us all bubbles burst eventually.
'All disappear as quickly as it turned up'
Hell of a totalitarian regime. Thank heavens we have you to protect us.
maybe if the consipracy doomsdayers dumbies calmed the fuk down and stopped panic buying on all the dunny roll every time a stay at home order is announced they wouldn't have to ration. talk about fear. sheesh.
I agree that covid will all disappear, same as TB, polio, smallpox, rubella etc etc.
Tuberculosis never disappeared! According to the WHO, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent, especially in developing countries. Here in Australia it is not a problem anymore thanks to widespread vaccination programmes many decades ago. It is still a problem in some parts of the world due to lack of vaccination and drug-resistant strains.
I’m not sure if abc-od was being serious or taking the piss . Here’s a link explaining what happened with the 1918 “ flu “ https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended. Also india is now getting a flu outbreak and people worried its covid , in this article notice the type of flu it’s getting. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-in-flu-season-virus.... Dr Puneet Khanna from Manipal Hospitals, Dwarka stated that among patients with symptoms who have tested negative for Covid, some have tested positive for H3N2 and H3N3, and some for influenza B as well. At Indraprastha Apollo Hospital, there have been cases of H1N1 as well.
Fauci has lied ! Proof out today thanks to FOI release . $660 p/a to fund gain of function research .
And as Rutgers University Board of Governors Chemistry Professor Richard H. Ebright notes, "The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful."
What can we believe that he has said or will say ?
Melbourne Jews seem to be a pretty entitled bunch. Another group thinking they are above lockdown rules.
Be very interesting to see where this goes. At 80 years old , you would think he would look forward to a break. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9966873/Rand-Paul-says-Fauci-LI...
stunet wrote:Vaccine passports a'coming, as we knew they would.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-issuing-vaccine-passpo...
On one level, I'm fairly conflicted over this, but on another I've got a milestone birthday coming up and plan to celebrate it on a foreign coast.
Stu, would be interested for you to expand (broadly) on how you are conflicted over vax passports.
I am generally in favour but I am not sure I have considered or recognised the full range of ramifications.
Are you exempt if you have already survived covid and have natural immunity ? This lawyer was barred from university in the US until he took it too court .
Hutchy 19 wrote:Fauci has lied ! Proof out today thanks to FOI release . $660 p/a to fund gain of function research .
And as Rutgers University Board of Governors Chemistry Professor Richard H. Ebright notes, "The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful."
What can we believe that he has said or will say ?
Wear a mask. Practice physical distancing. Get vaccinated.
Damn that Fauci character spouts some stuff that's just waaaaay out there.
Cacadajy wrote:stunet wrote:Vaccine passports a'coming, as we knew they would.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-issuing-vaccine-passpo...
On one level, I'm fairly conflicted over this, but on another I've got a milestone birthday coming up and plan to celebrate it on a foreign coast.
Stu, would be interested for you to expand (broadly) on how you are conflicted over vax passports.
I am generally in favour but I am not sure I have considered or recognised the full range of ramifications.
Though I'm in favour of the vaccines, I appreciate there's an element of coercion involved and that some people may have genuine ideological resistance to this. As much as it is a necessity, it is also binds us that bit closer to the state - hence the conflicted feelings.
I'm not particularly sympathetic to the Johnny-come-lately protestors, most of whom are as predictable as a train timetable, led by the nose through each confected outrage, but at least one person I know has been stood steadfast against creeping authoritarianism for thirty years, from US in the ME, SE 11, the globalisation rallies of the mid-90s, Invasion of Iraq, and onto the new frontier of social media. I don't agree with him on this, but I'm sympathetic to his commitment and how vaccine passports will impose on his freedom.
"Are you exempt if you have already survived covid and have natural immunity ? This lawyer was barred from university in the US until he took it too court ."
you are in a few european countries now
but it seems it's not real clear how long this immunity does, or should, last...
a bit like the vaccines funnily enough
"Damn that Fauci character spouts some stuff that's just waaaaay out there."
he's a riddle master, ...a true technocratic expert bureucratic bullshitter...
I still kinda like the guy, but I gotta say, 'the left' in the US have done themselves no favours backing this guy to the hilt...
like many things, they've totally oversold their position, ...too much all in, non negotiable, dialogue will not be enteredt into...
very absolutist...
again...
this one will definitely bight back, he might not go down, but the stench from the smoke will linger...
for a long time
Roker At least one of his views on wearing masks is right .
In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. A longer extract of the interview is visible
(see 30-second mark). Censorship of Science continues...Examination of Vax data is forbidden.
tbb was going to share Scotland BT cases but yuppies got upset & pulled the data...(Yet Again!)
Problem: Tabby Vax site was caught out being a bit too sciency in the breakdown of Youthful Vax Data.
https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
Yes! Of course tbb scored a dose before death & will infect crew with Tabby's contraband Vax data.
Straight up Triple Dose of the rogue Scottish Vax Data.
Weekly Case increases / Hospital / Deaths ( By Vax Status ) OMG! tbb is going to Hell
Note the weekly 3x Charts Breakthru detail was The Gold Standard Fluffy Dice Covid Dash Board
https://www.coronaheadsup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Vaccine-breakth...
https://www.coronaheadsup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Scotland-70-per...
https://preview.redd.it/kvlnldro04m71.png?width=815&format=png&auto=webp...
Total Scotland Vax = No Vax 20% > 1 dose 12% > Full 68%
24th-31st Aug 2021 Scotland
Weekly Vax = 1 dose 20,856 ( 95% Pfizer Mod-Az) 2 doses 93,616 (70% Pfizer-Mod-Az) 70-80% u40
Pfizer (Infectious incubation above No Vax) = Wk1 +18.5% Wk2 +44.6% Wk3 +24.3
Weekly Pfizer Youth 1/2 Vax > Hospital Cases (70-80% Youth) > infecting siblings
New Cases = No Vax -41% 15,443 vs 1 dose 20% 7,599 + Full 38% 14,349 = ( Total Vax 58%)
Notice how cases % perfectly mirror infectious Pfizer Rollout Youth demographic Vax 1 > Vax 2
New Hospital = No Vax- 34% 153 vs 1 dose- 8% 34 + Full 58% 261 = (Total Vax 66%)
Data clearly shows that super infectious Scottish Youth Vaxerz were now UK #1 Hospital Patients...
Crew can read why NHS had kittens & raced to bury Tabby stats > (These Data sets were censored!)
Crew are lucky to see them...only those who were on this trail will know where to search for them.
New Deaths = No Vax- 23% 9 vs 1 dose 8% 3 + Full 70% 28 = (78%)
Death Stats are mostly waning BT Vaxers (All know this...) so weren't such an issue to Govt!
Patient Death Rate = No Vax 5.8% vs 1 dose 8.8% + Full 10.7% = (10.5%)
UK Rollout scores healthy 40% inheritance Tax & can sell 2x more Boosters for Big Pharma...Win! Win!
Vaxerz Gold Pass affords continuing ramping of Covid.
Spread > 58% Covid > Clog 66% Hospitals > fill 78% Morgue > Vax seniors are twice as likely to die.
UK Hesitants spread > 17% less Covid > Save 22% Hospital Beds > Save 55% Morgue space
Vaxerz argued if you apply 1/100,000 it shows less Vax cases ( Unfair stat to dwindling Vaxerz...but Ok! )
Sure! If vaxerz wanna try their hand at Stats (Welcome aboard!) We can run yer 1/100,000 stats
New Cases = No Vax 1,499 /100k vs 1 dose 1,311 + Full 420 =1,731 / 100k (13.4% more Covid) Cough!
Hospital = No Vax 14.9 /100k vs 1 dose 5.9 + 7.6 = 13.5 / 100k (9.4% less Hospital cases) Small win!
It's only fair to point out they're trialling in home recovery for youth where possible...
Meaning stat favours Vaxerz as age of infected are least likely to engage Hospital stays...just saying!
Deaths = No Vax .87/100k vs 1 Dose .52 + .82 = 1.34 / 100k (35.1% more deaths) Not Healthy!
tbb (Warns) of alarming escalating Death rate of Hospitalized Senior Vaxerz.
Each time any run whatever scenario this horrifying stat emerges...
Whole UK under 50 Vax Patients are 'Currently' dying at greater rate than Unvaxed over 50 patients
Long billed as Vax greatest Party Trick...is rapidly rearing it's ugly head as Vax worst Nightmare.
*Note! It seems that once Covid breaks thru & it's allowed to "incubate"...game over for vaxerz.
Meaning! Vaxerz must be ever more vigilant...
If tbb happens upon any deadly stats...best to issue a (Warning) This is not on the radar but is very real!
So serious...reckon it's worth investigating, but BT deaths / Stillborn stats have been ruled off limits.
Can say that these deaths are delayed by 2 months via bulking "Cells of 5 " + "No Naming Policy"
Basically weaponized to { Combat Vax hesitancy }
Medical science argue for open BT data...This Data like most BT Vax Data is now officially off limits.
Dare say in this case NHS will argue Teen Privacy...expect more Youth Data to be Locked Up.
Kinda like...Vax is not as infectious has you think it is & the Data will prove that one day...Cough! Cough!
In the early stages of the pandemic Fauci promtoted the standard public health measures seen around the world. Wearing a mask (April 3), physical distancing, travel restrictions, avoidance of mass gatherings, targeted lockdowns. Bog standard 'rona shit.
Trump contradicted him, undermined him, mocked him, threatened him and eventually kept him at a distance.
The reason the Orange One undermined Fauci and opposed basic public health policy is because Trump was the architect of Operation Warp Speed - designed to manufacture and distribute Coronavirus vaccines.
He wanted enough people to get sick and die in order to provoke panic amongst the broader population, causing a wide uptake of the vaccine.
The vaccine made by Operation Warp Speed contained a formula that controlled the minds of Democratic party voters and made them want to vote Republican.
Deep State Democratic Party sympathising operatives infiltrated Operation Warp Speed and covertly sabotaged the diabolical conspiracy.
It's no co-incidence that Trump withdrew any and all support for the vaccine rollout after the election loss.
If you do your own resurch you can read all about this on CNN.
I am not worried about him changing his call on masks . Everyone can make a mistake and good on him for changing his mind when new information became available .
I am dreadfully worried that he repeatedly denied giving money for gain of function research under oath .
There was a lot of circumstantial evidence that this did happen and he swore black and blue that it
didn't . He knowingly lied , under oath , for reasons only he probably knows .
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence of his close ties with big Pharma , WHO and the FDA .
Does this now bring into question his advice regarding vaccines ? If has knowingly lied before of course it does !
Everyone already knew that if you get too close to anyone with the flu you might catch it . Social distancing as been around and accepted for centuries .
Roker-"If you do your own resurch you can read all about this on CNN."
So funny ! I will look at CNN for a view . I do not use them for real research !!!!!!
Weren't they the ones saying for months that Trump colluded with the Russians ? Even after doing more months of research (CNN probably ) Muller (A democrat ) couldn't find any evidence .
Roker wrote:In the early stages of the pandemic Fauci promtoted the standard public health measures seen around the world. Wearing a mask (April 3), physical distancing, travel restrictions, avoidance of mass gatherings, targeted lockdowns. Bog standard 'rona shit.
Trump contradicted him, undermined him, mocked him, threatened him and eventually kept him at a distance.
The reason the Orange One undermined Fauci and opposed basic public health policy is because Trump was the architect of Operation Warp Speed - designed to manufacture and distribute Coronavirus vaccines.
He wanted enough people to get sick and die in order to provoke panic amongst the broader population, causing a wide uptake of the vaccine.
The vaccine made by Operation Warp Speed contained a formula that controlled the minds of Democratic party voters and made them want to vote Republican.
Deep State Democratic Party sympathising operatives infiltrated Operation Warp Speed and covertly sabotaged the diabolical conspiracy.
It's no co-incidence that Trump withdrew any and all support for the vaccine rollout after the election loss.
If you do your own resurch you can read all about this on CNN.
10/10. Best post of the whole thread.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?