Vaccinate or not
Thanks Supafreak . Sounds like a terrible situation around the Tweed and then probably in the whole of northern NSW . Sounds like your mum had covid and I hope she is now doing well !!!!
The strain on our hospital system was regarding all of Australia . It sounds like Qld is doing better due to them attracting staff . It does make me think that regional areas must be doing it harder than cities in general .
It must be very tough on nurses , paramedics and doctors especially as they AND their families are at risk of catching the virus ,
@hutchy , no my mum didn’t get covid , 85 and very frail with a variety of issues. She’s fully vaccinated. If covid does come to tweed then patients will go to Lismore where its set up for it .
I wonder if the guardian will do a story on this latest article from science direct . Conclusion
We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains. IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above [34,36,37]. In the current international emergency of COVID-19, with mutant viral strains, vaccination refusals and potentially waning immunities over months presenting new challenges, IVM can be an effective component of the mix of therapeutics deployed against this pandemic. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000883 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sciencedirect/
"...The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains..."
now wouldn't that set a new level on the possible ironies scale if it turns out to be the case...
"...IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above..."
i honestly cannot believe that the big end medicine machine has even tried to paint ivermectin as 'dangerous', when it clearly is anything but...
and this quite obvious misinformation campaign is exposed by the likes of the guardian, who need to refer to the animal version of the medication and doses to even make a case...
my question is, what is the guardian's story?
they were once a highly respected news source, and now they've gone down the propaganda route as hard as anyone...
is all of this as murky as it appears?
and i don't mean conspiracy murky
I mean vested interests political murky...
sypkan wrote:and i don't mean conspiracy murky
I mean vested interests political murky...
Well they do rely on donations to survive , not that there’s anything wrong with that
Interesting to understand that the Astra Zeneca style Covishield vax trials were done in the state of Maharashtra in India in September 2020, the same place where the delta virus was first detected in October 2020. Coincidence or not?
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.deccanchronicle.com/amp/nation/curre...
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-what-do-we-know...
And the new delta plus variant is apparently spreading all over districts in Maharashtra.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/coronavirus-outbre...
India’s myGov health breakdown of highest states vaccinated . Highest being Maharashtra,
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/top-10...
There’s also this .
OMFG.
— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) September 4, 2021
The Doctor that was quoted in dozens of articles saying gunshot victims couldn't get into beds because they were clogged with 1verm3ctin OD victims...turns out not to have worked in that ER for 2 months. Oh, the hospital denies any IVM ODs too. So there's also that. https://t.co/l1qXLxBsiy
Dear @RollingStone, we are going bullshit on this "reporting." Or should I say 'horseshit?'
— Chris Martenson (@chrismartenson) September 4, 2021
Sincerely, every thinking person
P.S. Yes, we will be holding this against you for a very, very long time. Perhaps you could hire Judith Miller as she's a good fit for your "ethics" https://t.co/7Q2WwJ6zof
https://piper.filecamp.com/uniq/ZO3aGrYGXdIUhiJ7.pdf. National poison data system If in America where some are stupid enough to take the animal variety, its not killing them. Its reported 88,000 scripts are getting written each week.
I agree re murky .. how many countries govts have already signed deals with vax companies that keep their hands tied?
Interesting article written by a gp re ivermectin in India .
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-bla...
@saltyone , if you’re on Twitter have a look at Professor Doherty , someone asked about vaccines and variants as you mentioned further up the page . There was a bit of discussion and one guy provided some links . I didn’t look but you may be interested .
"Well they do rely on donations to survive , not that there’s anything wrong with that"
I was thinking more their one super big arse donor that's intriguingly difficult to connect to the publication...
when you know he's in the picture, it's actually rather offensive they ask for donations
I'm back briefly.
You guys are still arguing and many are starting to see through the bullshit and fight back. good.
Read this? Don't agree with it all but it presents some interesting context and concepts
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-col...
Don't knit pick me or this please. As a generalization or theory it is sound.
Good times! I know three people who’ve been hospitalised and one who’s died. 450 odd deaths…..yew!
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-report-of-covid-vaccine-adverse-events...
Unfortunate Blowin, but again, 450 out of 20,800,000 doses given.
That's a death rate of 0.0000215 or 2 in every 100,000.
It’s about half the deaths from Covid in an 18 month pandemic but, unlike Covid , the vaccine deaths aren’t primarily targeting nonagenarians with severe underlying health conditions. It’s killing health people of all ages.
And it’s clogging up the hospitals! Far more hospital hours taken up by vaccine reactions than unvaccinated people getting sick from Covid. Probably more hospital visits than from Covid full stop. Almost 46,000 verifiable hectic reactions. How many hospitals hours from the 3000 respiratory destruction alone !
Then there’s the “ long Covid” hyperbole….what about the tens of thousands of long term illnesses and disabilities brought on by the vaccines?
Slice it anyway you want, Craig, The vaccines are dangerous. Perhaps you should have a bit of a read about the reactions people have suffered from taking a vaccine that does not prevent transmission or development of illness from Covid. Israel now promoting fourth vaccine shots ….every vaccine shot is a roll of the dice with your health and in the meantime the hospitals are filled with victims of vaccine reactions.
Blowin wrote:Good times! I know three people who’ve been hospitalised and one who’s died. 450 odd deaths…..yew!
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-report-of-covid-vaccine-adverse-events...
UAP media posts? …say no more. Nutcases with nfi.
Snowflake Blowin…how is that evidence re Rogan coming along?
Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Good times! I know three people who’ve been hospitalised and one who’s died. 450 odd deaths…..yew!
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-report-of-covid-vaccine-adverse-events...
UAP media posts? …say no more. Nutcases with nfi.
Umm….yeah. It’s a straight out government report bloke. It’s all those crazy nut job Australian health workers putting out their propaganda hey bloke!
Do you even read, bro?
Why do you keep calling me a snowflake? You’re the one who wants to be locked in their cellar because of a virus with a 99.98 percent survival rate and you’re the one who’s vagina bleeds when someone posts government reportage which is inconvenient for your delusions. Time to head back to NZ buddy! You’re bringing Australia’s National average IQ down.
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Good times! I know three people who’ve been hospitalised and one who’s died. 450 odd deaths…..yew!
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-report-of-covid-vaccine-adverse-events...
UAP media posts? …say no more. Nutcases with nfi.
Umm….yeah. It’s a straight out government report bloke. It’s all those crazy nut job Australian health workers putting out their propaganda hey bloke!
Do you even read, bro?
You can make data show anything you like. It isn’t a govt report..it is a small snapshot taken from a govt source of adverse reactions. Cherry picking data to suit an agenda.
Do you even think for yourself, bro?
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Good times! I know three people who’ve been hospitalised and one who’s died. 450 odd deaths…..yew!
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-report-of-covid-vaccine-adverse-events...
UAP media posts? …say no more. Nutcases with nfi.
Umm….yeah. It’s a straight out government report bloke. It’s all those crazy nut job Australian health workers putting out their propaganda hey bloke!
Do you even read, bro?
Why do you keep calling me a snowflake? You’re the one who wants to be locked in their cellar because of a virus with a 99.98 percent survival rate and you’re the one who’s vagina bleeds when someone posts government reportage which is inconvenient for your delusions. Time to head back to NZ buddy! You’re bringing Australia’s National average IQ down hardcore.
I call you a snowflake because you have proven yourself to be a piss weak easily prone to throwing your toys when anyone questions you. You give shit but like all snowflakes can’t take it and resort to gutter talk…you are a classic bully and a coward..and everyone knows it. Lol.
No one would want you on their team when the going gets tough..you would crumble under pressure.
You’re funny!
Stupid, but funny!
Hey blowin, where your evidence proving 15% of new infections in NSW come from OS? I had a good old chuckle about the last chart you put up.
Come on champ. Put up your evidence or put up your hand and admit you got that hopelessly wrong.
Here's the original New England journal Medicine Phase 3 trials paper on Pfizer.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_home
Latest Vaccine safety Information Led by the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) and funded by the Australian Government Department of Health, AusVaxSafety is a world-leading national vaccine safety system.
https://www.ausvaxsafety.org.au/safety-data/covid-19-vaccines
[quoteBlowin , I know you like to live in your world of made up stats and stories......just so you know the facts...Australia has a 1.7% death rate from Covid infections ....which means you just made up 99.98 % unless you have a link to support your claim?
you should be saying 98.3%!
Why do you keep calling me a snowflake? You’re the one who wants to be locked in their cellar because of a virus with a 99.98 percent survival rate and you’re the one who’s vagina bleeds when someone posts government reportage which is inconvenient for your delusions. Time to head back to NZ buddy! You’re bringing Australia’s National average IQ down.
Blowin loves chucking around figures to support his delusions. Here's his top four made up stats (from memory). And on each occasion he doggedly refuses to admit he's hopelessly wrong.
1. 50% of people living in Australia are born overseas.
2. 90% of foreign students are from China.
3. Covid has a 99.98% survival rate
4. 15% of new cases in NSW are from OS.
Blowin, you are one of the biggest bullshit artists I've ever come across.
Australian death rate due to covid infections is irrelevant really. We have remained pretty much untouched by covid deaths and delta is not yet having it’s way. % of deaths will start to increase now as NSW and VIC get more infections.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/09/02/the-day-in-review-craig-kelly-fans-...
Pretty funny…I keep getting Kelly’s text to my phone.
Ok, Ok, I’ll admit I was wrong.
Lockdown is awesome! It’s so nice surfing pumping waves with a handful of people and knowing no one else is coming out. Everyone smiling and taking turns of the crew happen to focus on the same peak. It’s so nice cruising around town and having the joint to yourself. Anywhere except Coles that is. People are pleasant and there is a definite strengthening of community vibe.
Closed boarders mean that even the otherwise inviolate Mass immigration Ponzi scheme has been deferred for a little bit…..the best news ever!
Have only had to put on a mask for about 30 seconds total since the 7 day lockdown started and that was when ordering a coffee at the kiosk. Cops don’t give a fuck.
Apologies to those doing it hard. You’ll have your revenge when you swamp the regions when the glorious lockdown is lifted.
Ya just don't get it do you blowin.
You are most welcome to have lockdown opinions like those in the immediate post above, You just don't get to make up the facts to support them.
You don't have to admit your opinions are wrong, you just have to admit your facts and stats are complete bullshit. 99.98% survival rate? Give me a break.
freeride76 wrote:Here's the original New England journal Medicine Phase 3 trials paper on Pfizer.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_homeLatest Vaccine safety Information Led by the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) and funded by the Australian Government Department of Health, AusVaxSafety is a world-leading national vaccine safety system.
https://www.ausvaxsafety.org.au/safety-data/covid-19-vaccines
Freeride- Those stats probably aren’t as good as the TGA stats I linked to as they are dependent on a survey which only 70 percent of people answered and the survey is done only 3 days after the vaccine. It seems that many adverse reactions occur after that time. Sometimes well after that time.
Even so, the stats you provided show that 0.5 percent of the 1007479 respondents had to see their doctor or attend hospital after the vaccine. That’s 50,374 people seeking medical help for the vaccine. That’s a lot of clogged hospitals.
Sounds unreal!
At least those people know they now can’t get the virus, or transmit the virus , or get sick and die from the virus. Oh….wait a minute!
I’m afraid I’ve got an admission and an apology to make. I have repeatedly stated that Covid has a 99.98 percent survival rate. It turns out that I have misled people with an error and feel I must come clean with the truth. As much as it pains me to concede to my critics I feel as though the truth is too important to conceal any longer.
I was wrong.
I was wrong and I’m big enough to admit it and I am so sorry to have spoken erroneously.
In reality it turns out that I have a 99.9952 percent chance of surviving Covid.
What about yourself? Find out by completing this fun Cosmopolitan magazine style assessment of risk produced by the University of Oxford.
https://qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation
Pathetic blowin. Truly pathetic.
Guaranteed your old vagina was humming as you read those first few lines!
Only to be dusted up again.
Lol bloke lol.
Blowin wrote:I’m afraid I’ve got an admission and an apology to make. I have repeatedly stated that Covid has a 99.98 percent survival rate.
here have a look at the Stats.......and the 1.7% death rate....... https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/australia
It turns out that I have misled people with an error and feel I must come clean with the truth. As much as it pains me to concede to my critics I feel as though the truth is too important to conceal any longer.
I was wrong.
I was wrong and I’m big enough to admit it and I am so sorry to have spoken erroneously.
In reality it turns out that I have a 99.9952 percent chance of surviving Covid.
What about yourself? Find out by completing this fun Cosmopolitan magazine style assessment of risk produced by the University of Oxford.
https://qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation
Gawd Brutus….you still invoking the nonagenarians with multiple severe comorbidities to pad out your statistics?
Why Bloke why?
I’m not sure why anyone would be so desperate to make a virus appear more deadly than it is? Are you so emotionally invested in the bullshit that you’re more than happy to pass off rubbish like that to support your cause? I think the answer to that is an obvious yes.
Hey blowin you complete and utter muppet.
This is how normal people work out survival rates for covid in Australia.
Take you total number of deaths (1039) and divide that by the total number of cases (61, 609) and you get a 1.686% morbidity rate. I'm not sure you have the brains to work out the survival rate so I did the maths for you. (Hint it's 100-1.686) and you get a 98.314% survival rate.
This is how an idiot like you works out the survival rate.
Take the total number of deaths, ignore all those people who are old or have other health issues, go to some crackpot conspiracy theory site, consult with Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly, and then come up with a "personal survival rate" of 99.9952%.
Yes I am laughing at you.
Sure bloke. Counting the deaths of the nonagenarians with multiple severe comorbidities into your statistics for the general population results in statistics as representative as saying that if 10 percent of the population experience debilitating menstrual cramps that means every person in Australia has a 1 in 10 chance of period discomfort.
Whoops….considering your usual heavy flow, maybe that’s not an analogy you would easily understand.
Again I must apologise.
blowin, the guy who calculates covid survival rates by ignoring people who actually died from covid.
That takes a very special blend of stupidity.
Yes blowin, I'm still laughing at you.
I get a laugh when anti lockdown, covid deniers quote the low number of deaths to back up their claims and score points when it's because of the lockdowns that the rate is so low.
According to the Aust. Bureau of statistics the overall case fatality rate here is 2.7%. For 90 year old males it's 40%. With no vaccinations and no lockdowns by now the deaths would be in the ten thousands. One thing is certain, you can't reason with anti vaxxers their brains are wired differently. They are special, very special.
Vic, the guy who's up on his high horse radically defending the terror of COVID when the stats are soooo low, takes a very special blend of stupidity.
You are arguing over peanuts. Whatever way you want to change the numbers around (death rate) at this level its laughable and NOWHERE near a level to invoke the response it has.
50 ppl died today in Australia from Heart Disease. Wake up Australia.
Old-dog those anti lockdown mob believe it or not are standing up for their rights, which are also yours and if your too old or jaded to give a shit, think about ya kids. Have you seen the backflip in SA on vaccine requirements for truckies? Power to the people.
Shorty, how about you wake up. Maybe think critically for once?
It hasn't been let to rip through the community FFS, otherwise we'd be just like other places in the world. So don't compare heart disease which takes into account the whole population (25mil) with the tiny percentage that have caught (61,000) and died with COVID.
It's that easy!
I'm glad now Delta has come in and is pathing a way out, those states like Qld and WA will be left behind, much like Aus as a nation has been with our slow vaccine rollout etc.
You don't have to get vaccinated, your choice, doesn't bother me unless you take up a bed when I need hospital for some reason, but to compare those stats when the whole population hasn't had COVID is just simply wrong and has no relevance. Enjoy your Monday.
@ shortenism, I'm old enough to know better. No one wants lockdowns, least of all the Govt, can't you at least wait until 70 -80 % vaxxed before you start looting.
Thanks Craig. Think critically!!?? Hahaha. You had me sort of but then you had to go on to mention ‘Delta’ and totally lost me again.
The deliberate selective distortion of statistics is necessary for Blowin to maintain the grievance. It's pathetically transparent and if you examine the underpinnings of his 'position' you'll find it peppered with little assumptions and emissions just like this.
If you wish to understand it, think of it much like a twitter outrage pile on. It is the same mental process going on to deliver mental satisfaction.
Check out Bulgaria, 2000 cases in a day a few days ago, now down to 400.
Moderate lockdown, 30% vaccination rate.
Will be interesting to see how it goes in the next few days/weeks
tylerdurden wrote:Check out Bulgaria, 2000 cases in a day a few days ago, now down to 400.
Moderate lockdown, 30% vaccination rate.
Will be interesting to see how it goes in the next few days/weeks
Probably has something to do with political chaos in Bulgaria. I wouldn't put too much weight on those figures to predict what will happen in Australia.
https://www.eureporter.co/world/bulgaria/2021/09/06/bulgaria-faces-fresh...
We’ll see Vic
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?