Vaccinate or not

It's very unlikely for the cases to be uniformly spread across a whole country at one point in time though isn't it. Also, that's based off the assumption that everyone who carries the virus gets a test, I would suggest that there's a substantial portion of people who are asymptomatic and as such don't even get tested.

Can we all just drop the "discrimination / apartheid / Jim Crow" shite?
Discrimination based on race, gender, sexuality, etc is fucking abhorrent because people don't choose these things.
Having an anti-social lifestyle choice (like being an anti-vaxxer, or a bigot, or just flat out fuckwit) does have consequences. This is called accountability, not discrimination.

Sorry VL but if you’d gladly sit in a restaurant next to a covid positive vaxxed customer and gladly lock out covid negative unvaxxed customer because they’re dangerous, then that’s discrimination and I’ll call you on it

It’s a discriminatory and lazy way to assess safety

The vaccine is flawed therefore the rule is flawed

He's not talking about test results though is he shoredump, you've added that part.

I haven’t added it in JQ

I’ve thought it through....

Well you're talking about a different scenario to vic now aren't you shoredump. If you wish to criticise his concept you can't really add to (which you have done) and modify it as you see fit, regardless of the value of adding testing into the mix.

I know it’s a common tactic in the culture wars to flip these historical injustices around and use them in a modern context to promote (mostly) white grievance.

A vile tactic- and dumb because it does nothing to address the genuine inequalities that do exist. A good deflection.

I thought VL was being hyperbolic when he mentioned people were using the Jim Crow comparison in relation to vaxx passports. But no. Tucker hits a new low.

no shoredump you added it. You made up my argument to shoot it down. Strawmaning is just so very lazy.

Bringing in covid status is a silly argument too, as it can change overnight. The practicalities of determining the covid status of people is ongoing. You'd need to test people multiple times a day. Their vaccination status is fixed once they get the jabs.

It's not discrimination to deny anti-vaxxer entry to a business. It's called accountability. Business owners are accountable for the health and safety of their staff. They have no obligation to serve fucking idiots who refuse vaccines.

thanks Roker. I knew this Jim Crow drivel had to come from some absolute scumbag. It's good to know where this crap is coming from.

shoredump wrote:

Sorry VL but if you’d gladly sit in a restaurant next to a covid positive vaxxed customer and gladly lock out covid negative unvaxxed customer because they’re dangerous, then that’s discrimination and I’ll call you on it

It’s a discriminatory and lazy way to assess safety

The vaccine is flawed therefore the rule is flawed

Shoredump, are you really that dimwitted that you think what you wrote here has anything remotely intelligent included?

Lets use shoredump's debating tactics.
Hey shoredump, If you are genuinely opposed to discrimination, that means you think a 16 year old should be allowed to drive a B Double with a toxic load. I can't believe you support teenage learners driving huge trucks.
See how silly straw-manning is?
Oh by the way, I didn't add that detail, I just thought it through.

I once came to Swellnet for forecasts. I now come for one thing and one thing only- this thread.
Keep up the good work everyone.
Vic , i rarely agree with you but gee you make me laugh.
As a good friend once said to me on the subject of the rona vax - “most are not conspiracy theories, its simply accessing the risks both ways”.

this bit is intelligent...

'The vaccine is flawed therefore the rule is flawed'

look at israel, and what sweden has just done...

also, the mysterious anomaly that asymptonmatic people ie. not sick people, can apparently spread the virus...

you guys are making hard and fast rules for situations where hard and fast rules don't apply...

I get it, I don't want to be surrounded by non vaxxed crew in a plane or confined space either...

but you guys are making rules for a vaccine that is so shit in terms of stopping tranmissability, that it's a fucking joke, ...the vaccine, and your proposed rules... maybe if the technology gets there eventually later, fair enough, but there are just too many questions at the moment...

not least, 'unsick' (asymptonmatic) people spreading the virus...

and if that's the case, then it's highly likely that unsick (asymptonmatic) vaccinated people also have the ability to do exactly the same... spread the virus...

maybe moreso, for a plethora of reasons

hence sweden's position

“most are not conspiracy theories, its simply accessing (I will assume you mean assessing) the risks both ways”.
If people would rather risk getting covid than taking the vaccine, it's clearly a case of shit for brains then.

Yep, apologies for the error.
It’s a great forum and very interesting to read people’s take on it all. Pro , against and in the middle.

Hey sypkan,
Do you know the phrase, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good"? Yes the vaccine isn't perfect but it does help prevent the spread of covid.
Not only will a vaccine passport allow people to protect their customers and staff, it will also drive up vaccination rates. Sure it's not perfect, but a passport is still a lot better than nothing. It's an either / or choice. There's no middle ground, and arguing we could do nothing because a good scheme isn't perfect seems a little silly to me.

There are people who have been anti vax well before Covid came along . They made their own decisions based on their own views . Some were based on religious beliefs . Blacks in America due to their distrust in the health care system after being let down in the past .

To treat these people differently is discrimination , every day of the week .

"Hey sypkan,
Do you know the phrase, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good"?

Yes the vaccine isn't perfect but it does help prevent the spread of covid."

we don't even know that... and it has become so next level political, its now practically impossible to know...

"Not only will a vaccine passport allow people to protect their customers and staff, it will also drive up vaccination rates. Sure it's not perfect, but a passport is still a lot better than nothing. It's and either / or choice."

looking at sweden's and israel's scenarios, we could well be totally barking up the wrong tree

"There's no middle ground, and arguing we could do nothing because a good scheme isn't perfect seems a little silly to me."

commiting to trigger happy big joe's never ending booster shots - against the advice for various science driven bodies - for vaccines that have far from proved their efficacy, is more than a little silly to me...

there's loads of middle ground, for anyone with an open mind happy to let the science run it's course...

do you know the phrase, 'don't put all your eggs in one basket'?

Asymptomatic doesn't mean you're not sick, it means you're asymptomatic. There's no mystery about it.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-v...

I think this article present a good explanation of what's going in relatively simple terms.

Whilst people who are vaccinated can experience break through breakthrough infection and breakthrough disease and can be infectious during this period - although vaccinated people experiencing breakthrough infection or disease are infectious for a shorter time frame than unvaccinated people are.

Breakthrough infections and disease are uncommon amongst vaccinated people.

And of course, the vaccine is good at preventing severe illness.

For those who were paying attention, there was information out over a year ago regarding how vaccines are tricky to make for corona viruses.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-fr...

There's one for starters, there's more out there if you want to be informed. There's no great mystery, it's not a conspiracy, this type of virus is difficult to make an effective vaccine for.

And sypkan 'we' (who ever that umbrella may apply to) aren't making the rules, the government is

"To treat these people differently is discrimination , every day of the week."

No it's not Hutchy 19. These people are being treated differently because they choose to put other people in danger. They aren't being discriminated against due to their skin colour or religion.
Nobody is born an anti-vaxxer. It's a choice. It's not a skin pigment.

I'm kind of getting sick of Uber-libertarians who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves and then throw the toys out the cot when there's consequences to their shitty choices.

Supafreak - Have seen video's of Brand and he has exactly the same views on Covid as Rogan . I was very surprised as he is from the left . It showed me it is not a left/right argument .

Will watch this video which , I assume , from your comments shows Brand not being positive on Inverm .

Hutchy 19 wrote:

There are people who have been anti vax well before Covid came along . They made their own decisions based on their own views . Some were based on religious beliefs . Blacks in America due to their distrust in the health care system after being let down in the past .

To treat these people differently is discrimination , every day of the week .

Not really, it's completely your choice to be against the common good, based on your own (misguided) opinions. Just like it's your choice to smoke or say own a firearm (with a license of course). It's also your choice to constantly go barefoot.

By your (again, misguided) logic, you could be discriminated against for these three things in a number of ways.

Seriously, for your own good don't buy into the appropriation of discrimination, particularly when it borrows from past racial or oppressed groups. This is as far as I'm concerned one of the last straws of the anti vax 'viral content' creators, they're trying to spread and push this idea as a final hope.

Also, surely we all know that this already happens with childcare - no vaccination record, no childcare.

I think 'libertarian' is awfully generous Vic, lets be clear here, it's run of the mill selfishness really.

And Hutchy, discrimination is not necessarily bad - should childcare centres discriminate against employees with a history of sex offences? should the navy discriminate against those who can't swim? should universities discriminate against those who haven't demonstrated the necessary aptitude to pass a course? should the police discriminate against those with adverse psychological assessments?

Supafreak - Have seen other video's of Brand and he has very similar views on Covid as Rogan . I was very surprised as he is from the left . It showed me it is not a left/right argument .

He speaks with knowledge , humility and compassion . I do hope that everyone ( especially Vic Local and Roadkill ) is willing to take a few moments to watch it .

.

If at this stage you are still an anti vaxxer re Covid then you are either at least one of the below:
1/Selfish- perhaps defiantly so
2/Stupid- perhaps mentally retarded
3/Scared and weak

Vic Roadkill is lost, angry, delusional. So I can’t see this vid swaying him.

And ‘views from the’ just indicted himself in the Vic Roadkill fiasco

"Asymptomatic doesn't mean you're not sick, it means you're asymptomatic. There's no mystery about it.

I know... I was being simplistic and facetious...

but, many people literally don't even know they are sick until they get tested... so 'unsick' seems appropriate...

the mystery I refer to is the WHO, and others, being all over the shop, on whether asymptomatic people spread the disease... it's been a very on again, off again affair...

"I think this article present a good explanation of what's going in relatively simple terms.

Whilst people who are vaccinated can experience break through breakthrough infection and breakthrough disease and can be infectious during this period - although vaccinated people experiencing breakthrough infection or disease are infectious for a shorter time frame than unvaccinated people are.

Breakthrough infections and disease are uncommon amongst vaccinated people."

well that's the common wisdom... and makes sense to me... from a common sense perspective... however, its inconclusive, and it seems sweden isn't sold on the theory...

which doesn't mean ALL vaccines are bordering on the useless re. transmissability... but geez, there's some questions to be asked....

"And of course, the vaccine is good at preventing severe illness."

and that, is why I got vaccinated...

"For those who were paying attention, there was information out over a year ago regarding how vaccines are tricky to make for corona viruses.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-fr"

kinda funny you raise this... even more so that you did, in your rather condescending manner... as I have raised this several times on here, the first time way back when... 'in the beginning'... when norman swan raised it, and I have been abused and belittled every single time... not least by your mate, vicvocal... who got particularly rabid and feral in his lofty righteousness... which is proving misguided... again... but thanks for backing me... belatedly... disingenuously...

"There's one for starters, there's more out there if you want to be informed. There's no great mystery, it's not a conspiracy, this type of virus is difficult to make an effective vaccine for."

sigh... 'conspiracy'

another guardianista pavlov dog...

seriously, show me anything where I suggest it's all a big conspiracy...

"And sypkan 'we' (who ever that umbrella may apply to) aren't making the rules, the government is"

well there's some pretty hardarse advocating coming from certain corners...

you're pretty clear what you are advocating

"Supafreak - Have seen video's of Brand and he has exactly the same views on Covid as Rogan . I was very surprised as he is from the left . It showed me it is not a left/right argument"

not for some of us

but geez some are trying their damnedest to make it one...

{ Freedom Card } Feel free to spread Kindness.
Feel Free to send a Birthday Gift or Invite anyone to yer Party or lay out the cutlery or wash the dishes.
A Letter or Card to Santa or Hang decorations & share a Secret Santa, candy cane or shout Garbo a beer.
Gift an Easter Egg or send a Valentine's Gift or Flowers for kindness even add a thank-you note.

Return the Kids Ball or buy overpriced Lemonade from Stand & wave at Kids poking faces out bus.

Almost forgot to welcome the neighbours with a house warming Gift
Walk the Neighbours Dog or mow their Verge or take in their parcels & Wheelie bin
If they're sick you can cook them some meals or share yer Lunch even offer them a lift to town.
On the way to town donate yer Clothes & recycle the Grom'z unvaxed XXXX collection (Burp!)
Donate some canned food or even blood then share Bunnings Sausage Sandwich mouldy Sauce bottle.

Help the New mother with her pram into the Laundromat & hand out some coins for her heavy load.
At shops, be sure to pass on the Grocery Divider Bar (Thanx Mate!) Return yer Trolley germs in the Bay.
In town you can smile, compliment & tip yer Busker or help old lady up off the curb & open her door.
Then pick up her purse, her credit cards & carry her heavy load up the stairs & brew her a cup of tea.
She'll likely bake you a cake for such a good deed...be kind to hold the door to share the lift back down.

Shout that Homeless guy a beer / cask or at least offer a Ciggie or Light or even a fiver is wiser.
Photograph the Tourists & hand out directions or give up yer { Locals Only } seat to a complete blowin.
At the surf you can rescue a swimmer, share yer wax or umbrella in the rain or car in a Lightning Storm.

On the way home you can pick up a Hitch Hiker or is that taking things a bit too far!
{ Freedom Card } All are welcome to live friendly & freely & no one dares check yer Vax Status.
Good Deeds will never be Mandated...just the way things are & thank goodness for that!

views from the cockpit wrote:

If at this stage you are still an anti vaxxer re Covid then you are either at least one of the below:
1/Selfish- perhaps defiantly so
2/Stupid- perhaps mentally retarded
3/Scared and weak

Well that is helpful isn't it.

I think people should get vaccinated, it makes sense to me, and I really wish everyone would. But people get to make their own choices and that makes even more sense to me.

Throwing insults in any direction has allways been counter-productive and by now, on this subject, has truly become soooo pointless.

Like I said at the top, this cutting people off from society shouldn’t be done for any length of time (I do support it short term to cushion the blow from opening & they are the obvious choice as they are most transmissible and unwilling to take the jab for the greater good)

But we are vaxxed, so we are safe. You don’t need to be scared anymore. It’s time to get those natural antibodies and there’s only one way to do this. It’s time to stop running away

To want to force someone out from society forever is disgusting. It lacks empathy for why they chose their position. That being it is for their health reasons. They don’t want to hurt you they think you are trying to hurt them. Whether they are right or wrong doesn’t matter because it’s their reality, and showing no empathy for this and forcing your own views is classic schoolyard bullying. I would go as far as saying your actions to them will be more harmful than their actions to you. Remember, you are vaxxed, you are safe. Do you realise you will cause death by your actions, there will be suicides

Like I’ve also said if it made sense like yellow fever and it’s vaccine I’d totally support the idea. My family has been locked out of Australia unless we got that vaccine passport and I was totally supportive of it, why, because it worked.
I’d support this vaccine passport today if it was going to work. But a) covid is already out of control inside of australia b) the vaccine is flawed. c) delta is to contagious for this strategy.
What on earth do you think it will achieve? Stopping covid from spreading? Serious question let me know. Break it down for me what you’ll get out of alienating this what is it, 5 - 10% of adults for the rest of their lives

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine doesn’t work well for transmission and the idea that keeping them from travelling overseas but still letting them fondle your mango at Woolies where covid is already out of control is seriously flawed and won’t magically keep covid from spreading

It’s ugly to see so many people latch onto the idea that the unvaxxed should be cut off forever. I’m sorry to break it to you but it won’t be forever anyway and you have simply shown your darkest side while the government is obviously using it as their last card play to get the last lot jabbed. They will pull the pin on it faster than you want to believe and I’m happy to put money on it

It’s time to stop running. You’ve got to learn to live with it. Here’s hoping they can find that elusive one punch vaccine

Make them test for freedoms, but don’t cut them off completely. This is the better solution

views from the cockpit wrote:

If at this stage you are still an anti vaxxer re Covid then you are either at least one of the below:
1/Selfish- perhaps defiantly so
2/Stupid- perhaps mentally retarded
3/Scared and weak

1. & 2…..100% correct.
Most are too stupid to know they are stupid. Most are starting to play the victim now as their arguments are easily exposed as bs.

shoredump wrote:

Like I said at the top, this cutting people off from society shouldn’t be done for any length of time (I do support it short term to cushion the blow from opening & they are the obvious choice as they are most transmissible and unwilling to take the jab for the greater good)

But we are vaxxed, so we are safe. You don’t need to be scared anymore. It’s time to get those natural antibodies and there’s only one way to do this. It’s time to stop running away

To want to force someone out from society forever is disgusting. It lacks empathy for why they chose their position. That being it is for their health reasons. They don’t want to hurt you they think you are trying to hurt them. Whether they are right or wrong doesn’t matter because it’s their reality, and showing no empathy for this and forcing your own views is classic schoolyard bullying. I would go as far as saying your actions to them will be more harmful than their actions to you. Remember, you are vaxxed, you are safe. Do you realise you will cause death by your actions, there will be suicides

Like I’ve also said if it made sense like yellow fever and it’s vaccine I’d totally support the idea. My family has been locked out of Australia unless we got that vaccine passport and I was totally supportive of it, why, because it worked.
I’d support this vaccine passport today if it was going to work. But a) covid is already out of control inside of australia b) the vaccine is flawed. c) delta is to contagious for this strategy.
What on earth do you think it will achieve? Stopping covid from spreading? Serious question let me know. Break it down for me what you’ll get out of alienating this what is it, 5 - 10% of adults for the rest of their lives

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine doesn’t work well for transmission and the idea that keeping them from travelling overseas but still letting them fondle your mango at Woolies where covid is already out of control is seriously flawed and won’t magically keep covid from spreading

It’s ugly to see so many people latch onto the idea that the unvaxxed should be cut off forever. I’m sorry to break it to you but it won’t be forever anyway and you have simply shown your darkest side while the government is obviously using it as their last card play to get the last lot jabbed. They will pull the pin on it faster than you want to believe and I’m happy to put money on it

It’s time to stop running. You’ve got to learn to live with it. Here’s hoping they can find that elusive one punch vaccine

Jeezus…so much uneducated garbage in this post. Considering 99% of your post is 100% wrong it doesn’t deserve a response.

"The most frustrating thing to me, the past year and a half, has been the constantly changing narrative and the dismissal of formerly well-understood scientific truths. Natural immunity is one of those concepts from freshman biology that many seem to completely disregard these days.

I think this is a natural effect of the “cult of expertise” we have in the United States. Seemingly, anyone with specific credentials is automatically deferred to, regardless of how competent they are… or more insidiously, where their financial interests lie.

If more of us were willing to think critically about the “science” in the news these days, we could be more confident in managing our health. A healthy, confident population willing to argue and drag its feet on accepting medical treatments with which they aren’t comfortable is hard to push around."

For all you discriminators .

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/delta-variant-will-reach-everyb...

The reality of what is coming.

Unsurprising that lower socio-economic situation leads to poorer health outcomes.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/poorer-australians-four-times-mor...

Roadkill wrote:

shoredump wrote:

Like I said at the top, this cutting people off from society shouldn’t be done for any length of time (I do support it short term to cushion the blow from opening & they are the obvious choice as they are most transmissible and unwilling to take the jab for the greater good)

But we are vaxxed, so we are safe. You don’t need to be scared anymore. It’s time to get those natural antibodies and there’s only one way to do this. It’s time to stop running away

To want to force someone out from society forever is disgusting. It lacks empathy for why they chose their position. That being it is for their health reasons. They don’t want to hurt you they think you are trying to hurt them. Whether they are right or wrong doesn’t matter because it’s their reality, and showing no empathy for this and forcing your own views is classic schoolyard bullying. I would go as far as saying your actions to them will be more harmful than their actions to you. Remember, you are vaxxed, you are safe. Do you realise you will cause death by your actions, there will be suicides

Like I’ve also said if it made sense like yellow fever and it’s vaccine I’d totally support the idea. My family has been locked out of Australia unless we got that vaccine passport and I was totally supportive of it, why, because it worked.
I’d support this vaccine passport today if it was going to work. But a) covid is already out of control inside of australia b) the vaccine is flawed. c) delta is to contagious for this strategy.
What on earth do you think it will achieve? Stopping covid from spreading? Serious question let me know. Break it down for me what you’ll get out of alienating this what is it, 5 - 10% of adults for the rest of their lives

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine doesn’t work well for transmission and the idea that keeping them from travelling overseas but still letting them fondle your mango at Woolies where covid is already out of control is seriously flawed and won’t magically keep covid from spreading

It’s ugly to see so many people latch onto the idea that the unvaxxed should be cut off forever. I’m sorry to break it to you but it won’t be forever anyway and you have simply shown your darkest side while the government is obviously using it as their last card play to get the last lot jabbed. They will pull the pin on it faster than you want to believe and I’m happy to put money on it

It’s time to stop running. You’ve got to learn to live with it. Here’s hoping they can find that elusive one punch vaccine

Jeezus…so much uneducated garbage in this post. Considering 99% of your post is 100% wrong it doesn’t deserve a response.

Haha either that, or you know that I’m right. Go on, have a crack. Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter

America is already moving in this direction, with testing. Australia will follow whether you understand it’s merits or not

Think of it like this:

Should you a) not let all men work with children because a tiny percentage of them could be dangerous
or b) run a test and only withhold those that fail the test

I think we should be using fact based testing as I think a) it works the best and b) doesn’t have any collateral damage to innocents

Covid makes you sick, not unvaxxed people

My solution focuses on the problem, yours is just venting 18 months of frustrations

Another example is VellocityJohhno.
Immune compromised correct?
Can’t get the vaccine? I’m sorry if I’m wrong here VJ but this example will still stand regardless.
You want to deny him taking his family on an overseas holiday, or going to a restaurant with his wife, forever, because you want a sweeping “discriminatory” measure. Where as here I am, saying, hey how about we give him a go. If he tests negative to covid he can do these things

shoredump wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

shoredump wrote:

Like I said at the top, this cutting people off from society shouldn’t be done for any length of time (I do support it short term to cushion the blow from opening & they are the obvious choice as they are most transmissible and unwilling to take the jab for the greater good)

But we are vaxxed, so we are safe. You don’t need to be scared anymore. It’s time to get those natural antibodies and there’s only one way to do this. It’s time to stop running away

To want to force someone out from society forever is disgusting. It lacks empathy for why they chose their position. That being it is for their health reasons. They don’t want to hurt you they think you are trying to hurt them. Whether they are right or wrong doesn’t matter because it’s their reality, and showing no empathy for this and forcing your own views is classic schoolyard bullying. I would go as far as saying your actions to them will be more harmful than their actions to you. Remember, you are vaxxed, you are safe. Do you realise you will cause death by your actions, there will be suicides

Like I’ve also said if it made sense like yellow fever and it’s vaccine I’d totally support the idea. My family has been locked out of Australia unless we got that vaccine passport and I was totally supportive of it, why, because it worked.
I’d support this vaccine passport today if it was going to work. But a) covid is already out of control inside of australia b) the vaccine is flawed. c) delta is to contagious for this strategy.
What on earth do you think it will achieve? Stopping covid from spreading? Serious question let me know. Break it down for me what you’ll get out of alienating this what is it, 5 - 10% of adults for the rest of their lives

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine doesn’t work well for transmission and the idea that keeping them from travelling overseas but still letting them fondle your mango at Woolies where covid is already out of control is seriously flawed and won’t magically keep covid from spreading

It’s ugly to see so many people latch onto the idea that the unvaxxed should be cut off forever. I’m sorry to break it to you but it won’t be forever anyway and you have simply shown your darkest side while the government is obviously using it as their last card play to get the last lot jabbed. They will pull the pin on it faster than you want to believe and I’m happy to put money on it

It’s time to stop running. You’ve got to learn to live with it. Here’s hoping they can find that elusive one punch vaccine

Jeezus…so much uneducated garbage in this post. Considering 99% of your post is 100% wrong it doesn’t deserve a response.

Haha either that, or you know that I’m right. Go on, have a crack. Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter

America is already moving in this direction, with testing. Australia will follow whether you understand it’s merits or not

Think of it like this:

Should you a) not let all men work with children because a tiny percentage of them could be dangerous
or b) run a test and only withhold those that fail the test

I think we should be using fact based testing as I think a) it works the best and b) doesn’t have any collateral damage to innocents

Covid makes you sick, not unvaxxed people

My solution focuses on the problem, yours is just venting 18 months of frustrations

Not even close to being right. The whole thing had an argument based off incorrect information and assumptions with poorly formed analogies. It was written to the level of a 16 year old. It was so basic it was more comedy than anything else. You are so far out of your depth in arguing your position. Lmao.

Ok now pissed did the right thing got double jabbed so I conformed
for the greater good. Dont really care if every government organisation
around the planet know my every movement and in a couple of years
my brain explodes and I drop dead when some 20 year old pushers
a button. But im a firm believer if this government program is true double
jabbers should be completely free and the non jabbers can suck shit and die.
I will admit a sudden craving for human brains can be a bit disturbing but hey
got to have some side effects to keep the wankers happy.
The point is we are still not free and nothing has changed and the new freedom grants are a fucken insult so I say lets go full.
BRAVEHEART
PS: Boycott everything Chinese remember they started this act of war.

Moderna announced last night they are developing a combination Covid/Flu vaccine . Stock was up 6% .

Thats all I know re this .

did you get a piece of the action Hutchy?

Do you people that think this is about govt control actually think members of our govt have meetings where that discuss how to control the population? Do PMs, present and past, attend meetings, where they are updated and advised on the planning to control the population?

So then, who in our govt would be in charge, who would attend and contribute to the meetings? Are these meetings in AUS part of a bigger network including other nations that have inter country meetings to discuss and form ways to control the various populations?
I would love for you guys to clearly lay out who and how you think this control is happening?

shoredump wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

shoredump wrote:

Like I said at the top, this cutting people off from society shouldn’t be done for any length of time (I do support it short term to cushion the blow from opening & they are the obvious choice as they are most transmissible and unwilling to take the jab for the greater good)

But we are vaxxed, so we are safe. You don’t need to be scared anymore. It’s time to get those natural antibodies and there’s only one way to do this. It’s time to stop running away

To want to force someone out from society forever is disgusting. It lacks empathy for why they chose their position. That being it is for their health reasons. They don’t want to hurt you they think you are trying to hurt them. Whether they are right or wrong doesn’t matter because it’s their reality, and showing no empathy for this and forcing your own views is classic schoolyard bullying. I would go as far as saying your actions to them will be more harmful than their actions to you. Remember, you are vaxxed, you are safe. Do you realise you will cause death by your actions, there will be suicides

Like I’ve also said if it made sense like yellow fever and it’s vaccine I’d totally support the idea. My family has been locked out of Australia unless we got that vaccine passport and I was totally supportive of it, why, because it worked.
I’d support this vaccine passport today if it was going to work. But a) covid is already out of control inside of australia b) the vaccine is flawed. c) delta is to contagious for this strategy.
What on earth do you think it will achieve? Stopping covid from spreading? Serious question let me know. Break it down for me what you’ll get out of alienating this what is it, 5 - 10% of adults for the rest of their lives

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine doesn’t work well for transmission and the idea that keeping them from travelling overseas but still letting them fondle your mango at Woolies where covid is already out of control is seriously flawed and won’t magically keep covid from spreading

It’s ugly to see so many people latch onto the idea that the unvaxxed should be cut off forever. I’m sorry to break it to you but it won’t be forever anyway and you have simply shown your darkest side while the government is obviously using it as their last card play to get the last lot jabbed. They will pull the pin on it faster than you want to believe and I’m happy to put money on it

It’s time to stop running. You’ve got to learn to live with it. Here’s hoping they can find that elusive one punch vaccine

Jeezus…so much uneducated garbage in this post. Considering 99% of your post is 100% wrong it doesn’t deserve a response.

Haha either that, or you know that I’m right. Go on, have a crack. Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter

America is already moving in this direction, with testing. Australia will follow whether you understand it’s merits or not

Think of it like this:

Should you a) not let all men work with children because a tiny percentage of them could be dangerous
or b) run a test and only withhold those that fail the test

I think we should be using fact based testing as I think a) it works the best and b) doesn’t have any collateral damage to innocents

Covid makes you sick, not unvaxxed people

My solution focuses on the problem, yours is just venting 18 months of frustrations

“Haha either that, or you know that I’m right. Go on, have a crack. Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter”

Fuck me, but this is about as stupid an argument can be. Gawd, that you think this is a valid argument just shows how narrow your ability to process an argument is.

I didn’t think you could roadkill

Roadkill wrote:

Do you people that think this is about govt control actually think members of our govt have meetings where that discuss how to control the population? Do PMs, present and past, attend meetings, where they are updated and advised on the planning to control the population?

So then, who in our govt would be in charge, who would attend and contribute to the meetings? Are these meetings in AUS part of a bigger network including other nations that have inter country meetings to discuss and form ways to control the various populations?
I would love for you guys to clearly lay out who and how you think this control is happening?

And this is where it all breaks down, yet the contrarians are too stupid to comprehend it.

There is no way, no possible way, anything close to what some idiots are postulating would be feasible.

Even the most simple tasks get screwed up royally by Governments and corporations.

Multi levelled, top secret agendas only happen in the deranged dreams of people who never really grew up.