Vaccinate or not
tylerdurden, I think the best way to predict how reduced lockdowns will pan out in Australia is to look to the USA. They have a very wide range of vaccination rates across different states. Mississippi has a 39.6% double vaxxed rate and their hospitals have been over run. About 45 deaths a day. Vermont has 68% of their population double vaxxed, and it is averaging under 1 death a day for the last 2 weeks.
Covid is very much hammering the red (more unvaccinated) states. It will end up being a disease that almost exclusively impacts stupid people. Just one of Trump's lethal legacies.
But Bulgaria along with Czech Republic, Slovakia and North Macedonia has authorised Ivermectin for emergency use. We’ll see how they go!
@tylerdurden , did you have a look at the science direct article I posted ? Scroll up if you haven’t read it , worth a look .
BTW tylerdurdan, you're completely misreading the figures on Bulgaria. I've just had a look at the JHU tracker for that country and there is a very obvious pattern in their new case numbers. Their weekend counts are significantly lower than their weekday counts. It's been the same for months. Yesterday's 450 new case number has more to do with it being a Sunday rather than any impact Ivermectin may or may not be having.
One swallow doesn't make a summer my good man.
Aust vaccination rate aged 16+ now 38% fully vaccinated
NSW first dose is 74% thats a pretty good sign.(41% two doses)
Other states first dose 53% to 69% looking forward to seeing those figures hit 70% plus
Like I said VL, in regards to Bulgaria we’ll see in the next few days/weeks.
And Supa, yes, read that article.
They declared their conflict of interest openly which I always like to see. It’s a minor one but I like to see that all the same.
They made some good points, namely that the one meta-analysis (out of 7) that concluded Ivermectin had no benefit was flawed. This was the one that was requested to be withdrawn by the BIRD group, the one written by Roman et al.
Additionally they also raised this point:
“An objection that had been raised earlier in 2021 to the preponderance of clinical evidence for the efficacy of IVM treatment of COVID-19 as summarized above was that none of these RCTs had been published in mainstream peer-reviewed scientific journals [23]. Closing that gap, however, was the publication in 2021 in journals from major scientific publishers of five such RCTs for COVID-19 treatment [[24], [25], [26], [27], [28]], each showing multiple clinical benefits for IVM vs. controls, most of these to statistical significance at p < 0.002”
I guess it shows that evidence can be skewed and interpreted in any way you want.
I am speculating somewhat cynically that if Ivermectin was under patent and a single company stood to gain all the profit then the exact same evidence would be given to the TGA by the said drug company and it would probably be approved for use here.
It’s out of patent so unless the government want to submit something it ain’t going to happen.
Quite a few countries have taken a punt on Ivermectin and from what I can see all of them seem to be doing well...but who am I to say??
After all, I saw a couple of big close outs hit the south end of Manly beach this afternoon that couldn’t be explained by Swellnet’s modelling then was told that I didn’t see them and in actual fact Swellnet’s modelling was right all along.
Sometimes you see the obvious, report what you see then get ridiculed, can drive you mad
Thats what i love about Singapore they don't fuck around.
"A Singaporean woman who gained notoriety for her persistent refusal to don face masks was finally sentenced today to 16 weeks in jail."
https://coconuts.co/singapore/news/infamous-singapore-anti-mask-mbs-lady...
@tylerdurden , Indian government has slashed prices on essential medicines. https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/govt-revises-national-list-of-ess... And an article from total health UK https://www.totalhealth.co.uk/blog/ivermectin-drug-can-beat-covid-19
Supafreak, You are the exact type of person Clive Palmer is targeting at the next election. Easily lead with zero scientific training.
Two questions champ.
1. What's in it for doctors, governments, hospitals, and medical insurance companies to deny a cheap and effective treatment to covid?
2. What makes you think you know more than the vast majority of the millions of medical experts who have been busting their backside treating and researching Covid?
"You are not a horse supafreak', you're just a YouTube resurcher.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/nsw-covid-icu-nurses...
You know who will whinge and moan the most if they can’t get themselves into a hospital for treatment or their family medical care? ….The anti vax anti lockdown crowd will be the biggest bunch of vocal twats ever.
The nurses raise some real concerns but ultimately their voices will be ignored.
Just another reason to get vaccinated and protect others.
@viclocal , I will never again answer any of your questions simply because you never answer mine . You won’t look at the science direct article because your afraid what you will read. I have always voted labor and so did my father and would never have anything to do with a party associated with Clive Palmer . Your narrow mindedness is what keeps you from seeing what is happening around the world.
A mate's wife is working in the recently expanded COVID unit at Wollongong Hospital, which despite the local number of infection - just 12, with many quarantining at home - is almost full.
When I asked how that could be so, he told me it's mostly overflow from Sydney hospitals.
Supafreak, I don't answer your questions because they are profoundly stupid ones. When it comes to Ivermectin (and other things I have no expertise in) I put my trust in experts with years of rigorous medical training, and no vested interests. When I got cancer a few years ago, I trusted the oncologist and didn't go to Belle Gibson's website. Crazy eh!!
You on the other hand go to Google and actively seek out obscure sources on Ivermectin. It is a painfully obvious exercise in confirmation bias. You're like a climate change denier furiously resurching reasons why it's all a big scam, because you sooooooo want to believe humans can't possibly be impacting the climate.
You are not a horse supafreak.
Exactly roadkill.
And if supafreak ended up in hospital with covid he'd be screaming at the doctors for
ivermectin. They'd be telling him it's not an effective treatment, and he simply wouldn't believe them.
I have nothing but contempt for the anti-lockdown pro ivermectin morons.
"@viclocal , I will never again answer any of your questions simply because you never answer mine . You won’t look at the science direct article because your afraid what you will read. I have always voted labor and so did my father and would never have anything to do with a party associated with Clive Palmer . Your narrow mindedness is what keeps you from seeing what is happening around the world."
good onya supafreak, sometimes you've just got to spell it out
the iromy is, it's the absolute self righteous miserable assumption filled fools like vicvocal that are pushing people away from labor and the left generally
but that's not likely to change, being right and pumping up their tyres of virtue with stench filled bad air is more important than anything...
So you are telling everyone on swellnet that science direct is an obscure source ? WOW thanks for educating all of us . https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000883. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sciencedirect/ We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. Surfs up have a great day .
"...and no vested interests...."
bahahahahaha
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
and to quote that not so wise idiot again...
" you really don't know how power works do you?"
or peer pressure it seems...
a lot of things actually....
sypkan wrote:"@viclocal , I will never again answer any of your questions simply because you never answer mine . You won’t look at the science direct article because your afraid what you will read. I have always voted labor and so did my father and would never have anything to do with a party associated with Clive Palmer . Your narrow mindedness is what keeps you from seeing what is happening around the world."
good onya supafreak, sometimes you've just got to spell it out
the iromy is, it's the absolute self righteous miserable assumption filled fools like vicvocal that are pushing people away from labor and the left generally
but that's not likely to change, being right and pumping up their tyres of virtue with stench filled bad air is more important than anything...
The perfect labor voter…indoctrinated by a parent and continues to simply votes regardless of policy. About as dumb as can be.
Anti vax next phase of outrage will be when non essential activities are unavailable to them.
Going out for dinner, going to a concert, flying interstate, going OS..nope. And probably even employment ramifications and a limitation on employment options.
Surely the question of Vaccinate or not will have an increasingly clear answer.
The inconvenience of having a vaccination v the inconvenience of having your daily choices removed. Make the wrong choice there and it could be a choice of choice limitation.
Blowin wrote:Blowin sad ,sad ,sad you are at a point now of just dismissing all and any data that shows your home made theories to be just that!
people who just dismiss the science and continue to push their own ideology based on rumour and innuendo, and then become experts...so do you have anything , I mean anything to support your ongoing lie's about the death rates in Australia....I have used the same link everyday for nearly 18 mths now and often crosslink with other Statistic links......so pray tell show me yours, LOL....I know you can't !"Gawd Brutus….you still invoking the nonagenarians with multiple severe comorbidities to pad out your statistics?
Why Bloke why?
I’m not sure why anyone would be so desperate to make a virus appear more deadly than it is? Are you so emotionally invested in the bullshit that you’re more than happy to pass off rubbish like that to support your cause? I think the answer to that is an obvious yes.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stage...
Shiiit. Not a pleasant sounding stay…considering it’s just like the flu (as parroted by the stupid amongst us).
NSW getting more Pfizer than any other state while Morrison, Hunt and Frydenberg criticise non Covid states for resisting opening borders ........ shameless work from the PM for NSW
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/nsw-gps-got-45-per-cent-of-pfizer...
for more ABC iview 730 Report from last night
Roadkill wrote:https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stage...
Shiiit. Not a pleasant sounding stay…considering it’s just like the flu (as parroted by the stupid amongst us).
No thanks.
Pretty happy to be getting 2nd jab Friday.
If I have even the Most adverse reaction to the vaccine it's better than what's in that article.
Cacadajy wrote:Anti vax next phase of outrage will be when non essential activities are unavailable to them.
Going out for dinner, going to a concert, flying interstate, going OS..nope. And probably even employment ramifications and a limitation on employment options.
Surely the question of Vaccinate or not will have an increasingly clear answer.
The inconvenience of having a vaccination v the inconvenience of having your daily choices removed. Make the wrong choice there and it could be a choice of choice limitation.
Cacadajy....the great news is we are getting vaccinated as Nation and States , Vicco/NSW are hitting record numbers , as I think we now understand that the only way out of the Covid lockdowns and restrictions is 80% vaccination rates.
the not so good news is NSW/Vicco are going to see increased pressure on our Health systems as the cases grow, and more than likely we are all going to have first hand stories of misery and suffering thru all our communities......our respective Hospitals/Drs/Nurses/Paramedics etc will be under pressure like we have never seen before.
The next couple of mths will see the vast majority of people call for vaccination passports , which will allow us to start creating non-vaccination rules and regs...that will limit them to a lesser lifestyle.....and in a sense they could be ostracised from mainstream Australia.....
I reckon it's pretty obvious now , that Globally , the majority of people will be vaccinated ,and the unvaccinated will have to create their own new lifestyle at their expense!
Roadkill wrote:https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stage...
Shiiit. Not a pleasant sounding stay…considering it’s just like the flu (as parroted by the stupid amongst us).
Harrowing stuff.
Wouldn't wish that on anyone, could think of so many better ways to go.
Sadly there'd be so many other cases where people didn't even get a chance to get to a hospital....developing countries etc etc.
Even more sad is this sort of stuff is like white noise to people....who won't give up their beliefs. Read plenty of stories of people denying Covid up to their last breath, whilst dying of Covid!
Almost one month ago NSW recorded 246 cases. Today Victoria recorded 246 cases.
Wishing you all the best Viccos.
Brutus,
Yeah totally agree with what you said.
Poor Doctors Nurses and Paramedics in NSW and Vic must already be close to broken. In a normal disaster the volunteer organisations would have mobilised so many people to support these individuals. Feeding them, cleaning their houses etc etc. but it just can't happen.
Imagine the courage and dedication it takes to front up day after day knowing today is going to be worse than yesterday and tomorrow aaarrgh.... with no real end in sight.
Makes some of the self centred, narrow minded stance of some people intolerable.
Yep we are going to go through the wringer. Such a pity, did so well for so long. Oh well, time to prepare for that.
WA - don't you let your borders down.
Arguments about death rates, this study that statistic, adverse reactions to vaccine facts and fictions and on and on.
Give up a surf and go to your local hospital and volunteer to make coffee for the staff for 12 hours and empty the bins.
I know it's not that simple.......... But!
Cacadajy wrote:Arguments about death rates, this study that statistic, adverse reactions to vaccine facts and fictions and on and on.
Give up a surf and go to your local hospital and volunteer to make coffee for the staff for 12 hours and empty the bins.
I know it's not that simple.......... But!
Cacadjy I think it's pretty clear now that there are those self absorbed people who believe they have a right of individual entitlement and see their ,"freedom" as more important than the collective good!
I doubt whether they would give up 12 hrs of their lives to go and serve coffee and clean hospitals as a way of seeing the real world problems our health systems/people are suffering at the moment....and that's the problem, they are angry and weighed down by the lack of empathy and facts in their lives....
.I think Blowin is a classic example , no matter what facts you present to him , he just disregards them and sticks to his home grown conspiracy theories.......I think this now true of the far left and far right........nothing will change their minds until they have first hand experience of Covid death/sickness in their own household.....sad but true.....and now we have to try and prepare for their shortcomings....with more hospital beds /workers.....now there's irony for you..
I don't think there's a lot more to say , but get vaccinated , and sit back and watch the carnage of the next few mths, with the the unvaccinated becoming the modern day lepers of society!
brutus wrote:Cacadajy wrote:Arguments about death rates, this study that statistic, adverse reactions to vaccine facts and fictions and on and on.
Give up a surf and go to your local hospital and volunteer to make coffee for the staff for 12 hours and empty the bins.
I know it's not that simple.......... But!
Cacadjy I think it's pretty clear now that there are those self absorbed people who believe they have a right of individual entitlement and see their ,"freedom" as more important than the collective good!
I doubt whether they would give up 12 hrs of their lives to go and serve coffee and clean hospitals as a way of seeing the real world problems our health systems/people are suffering at the moment....and that's the problem, they are angry and weighed down by the lack of empathy and facts in their lives....
.I think Blowin is a classic example , no matter what facts you present to him , he just disregards them and sticks to his home grown conspiracy theories.......I think this now true of the far left and far right........nothing will change their minds until they have first hand experience of Covid death/sickness in their own household.....sad but true.....and now we have to try and prepare for their shortcomings....with more hospital beds /workers.....now there's irony for you..I don't think there's a lot more to say , but get vaccinated , and sit back and watch the carnage of the next few mths, with the the unvaccinated becoming the modern day lepers of society!
Blowin, like most hard core anti vax anti lock down clowns….will come up with a list of people known in their small circle who have had issues with covid and vaccinations. It is amazing how it is the anti vaxers who know so many that have had issues….most of it is to suit their agenda and is made up and most know no one that has been affected.
"The perfect labor voter…indoctrinated by a parent and continues to simply votes regardless of policy. About as dumb as can be."
good to see you've finally worked vicvocal out...
got me some of that German bio-tech mRNA goodness yesterday.
feeling fine.
2hr surf at the Point, big paddle.
Did my own research then dosed myself in panic/fear anti-vax porn below the line on ZeroHedge and that journo Sypkan posted up.
Just to prime myself for any negative reaction and bring on a maximum nocebo effect.
no effect.
Aboriginal Smallpox Blankets traded for God Squad Covid Showbags
Review of Western Aboriginal Vax Rollout in NSW
Kezza : "We are particularly concerned about over representation in Aboriginal People and the likelihood that Covid will be, and is , touching Aboriginal People disproportionately."
NSW Health : "It's in their rights to have access to Vax."
28 June -22nd July NSW Health begin Vax Covid Spread of Isolated 1st Nation Community Wilcannia.
However! This was a one stop closed shop with posh 3hr'day VIP Appointments.
https://wnswlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/In-the-media%2FLists%2FPosts%2FPost.as...
8/9/10th Aug- Exposure Sites continue non stop... Dubbo Chemist / IGA / Chemist
9th Aug - First Dubbo Case
11th Aug Dubbo Lockdown (Outside town contact, supplies are restricted.)
11th Aug Wilcannia Vax Door Knocking commences as NSW locks down (No! Doesn't make sense!)
Seems as if NSW Health were unsure as to administer 2nd dose & carry on First doses in Lockdown
Which ends with NSW Health Advice being prioritized by misinformed experts?
25th Aug Anglican First Nations Emergency Project [ 2,000 ] Hot Spot Exposure Covid Showbags.
Church Helper : "I just knew what was needed & printed daft [000] misinformation info to First Nation!"
"I ensured our Infectious Show Bags were deemed Emergency essential & distributed by Cops / ADF"
Infected lockdown Traders donated Hot Spot Contaminated Junk Merch > (Lollies) from above Exposures.
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7401668/cyrena-on-a-mission-to-pro...
Scomo: "Essentially God'z frontline pick up yer Hot Spot shit to infect Isolated Aboriginal Communities."
No! You don't need Gloves to spread Covid over the footpath...nor follow any essential health advice!"
28th Aug Wilcannia 20-29% Aboriginals Vaxed (Oz First Nation avg 9.5%)
31st Aug Dubbo First Aboriginal Man Dies of Covid {RIP}
NSW Aboriginal Vax Drive > 750 Aborigines are now infected with covid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/aboriginal-communities-sound-alar...
4-5th Sept Wilcannia is now a Covid City seen from space with 30 Quarantine Caravans
NSW Health / Police / ADF/ Aboriginal Affairs / RFS / SES / Ambos / RFDS +Volunteer Orgs.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/06/nsw-records-secon...
Enngonia
14th Aug Whole of NSW in lockdown
18th Aug - Judy : " We just wanna keep ourselves safe, if one case comes here it will kill whole town!"
Despite Lockdown ABC crew + RFDS + Health Service Vaxerz > storm outpost town to Vax 25 locals
1st Sept - (Mid Lockdown) Vax crew Doorknock Person 2 Person
ADF drop off the Emergency Anglican Church Hot Spot Show bags of Exposed Merch..
The ADF Food hampers were dumped at the Gate in the Rain & dogs ate whatever " Meat "
Medicines aren't readily available & may have led to illness >
6th Sept - Aunty Dies {RIP} (Media) { NSW / Health : Both Elders weren't Vaxed > You can Print That}
Media say nuthin' 'bout deliberate ongoing Mass Covid infections by State/ADF/Church/Traders
Now 18 Aborigines in Enngonia (9.5%) of Town are infected by Loving Vax & Hot Spot Treats.
Here's a decent look into the Uniting Church Food Hamper that gets distributed with Covid Treats.
Dubbo Uniting Church packs the Food Hamper that Police / ADF delivers with Anglican Church Kits.
Click Photos to see inside Care Packs (Fruit'n'Veg + Pasta) + Toiletries but all mix to spread covid.
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/7414833/koori-care-packages-met-wi...
Sisters Kiara & Ebony Go Fund Enngonia for some Chops & Deli treats
Basically the girls only wanna buy some Fresh Meat & Deli treats / Dairy & mains meals. (Fair Call.)
Money goes into the "safe / secure " packaging...unlike open infectious Church Lucky Dips that dogs eat.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/enngonia-clara-hart-village-needs-your-help
Sister's covid free Hearty Hampers have been blocked in favor of God Squad Hot Spot Show Bags.
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/more-than-100-cases-beyond-great...
NSW God Squad'z infectious First Nation Surge Blitz to Wipe Out anything considered too far out!
"Brutus,
Yeah totally agree with what you said.
Poor Doctors Nurses and Paramedics in NSW and Vic must already be close to broken. In a normal disaster the volunteer organisations would have mobilised so many people to support these individuals. Feeding them, cleaning their houses etc etc. but it just can't happen."
why can't it happen?
it happened all through europe when they faced their biggest wave...
is australia so conditioned to the bureaucratic boxed up nightmare it is, that we cannot break from our norms amidst a disaster?
well yeh, ...it is... disturbingly so...
we are compartmentalised to the extreme, probably more so than any place on earth...
"..Imagine the courage and dedication it takes to front up day after day knowing today is going to be worse than yesterday and tomorrow aaarrgh.... with no real end in sight."
yep, you've got to respect them, must be daunting and wearing day after day... utmost respect...
but tbh, our health workers haven't seen anything yet like other countries faced, ie. turning patients away, tents in carparks, makeshift hospitals, bodies in corridors... and with any luck, we are not likely to...
which isn't to diminish our health workers and what they are going through, quite the opposite, our poor old health workers are getting the most painful of relentless chinese water torture treatments (excuse the pun...) ...now with a big bang surge to finish things off...
(not that anything's ending... but a coming reprieve is on the horizon)
australia really has been plagued by our successes (pun two...) ...but it's true, we were going to have to face this at sone time or another, it was somewhat inevitable... it's just disappointing our no vision leaders couldn't have made it less painful for everyone...
state, federal, left, right... they really have all done little beyond locking the doors and hoping it all just goes away...
maybe it's morrison's fault, with his '...bridge to the other side...' and '...a return to normal...' rhetoric, backed by stop gap policies and solutions...
but really... sadly... no one has really offered any good longer term alternatives with any conviction... not least labor...
they should have been all over him and his bridge to nowhere cash splash
'never let a good crisis got to waste...' they say...
australia just did
as of today 7/9/21 from the nsw health figures, from those that have contracted covid 36078 there have been 195 deaths, so far, that is a fatality rate of .54% , 99.5 % survival, does not indicate how many who have survived, with no impact, from covid
What is disappointing is how the government and all msm just focus on doom and gloom.
What i want to know is of the 36078 people that have tested positive to covid how many have had zero problems
how many have had mild problems
how many have permanent problems
Yes we are in a serous medical possible pandemic but why are we focusing on death rates, why cant we have broader reporting on the whole, makes you wonder
"What i want to know is of the 36078 people that have tested positive to covid how many have had zero problems
how many have had mild problems
how many have permanent problems"
and how many carriers haven't been tested at all?
loads i imagine...
which would make your little death count percentage calculation even lower
Had my first Jab today, no side effects so far, maybe arm a tad sore.
gromfull wrote:Yes we are in a serous medical possible pandemic but why are we focusing on death rates, why cant we have broader reporting on the whole, makes you wonder
Doesn't make me wonder at all, standard media modus operandi. Bad news gets more eyes/clicks.
Don't re-assure yourself too much with the survival rate though. As we're all likely to end up getting this, there'll be 1000's upon 1000s of poor people getting the rough end of the stick...some you may think will be on their way out anyway, but lots will not be. Also lots more will come close to death, or never fully recover.
We're incredibly lucky this thing doesn't have a 'doomsday' deathrate such as 10%, or 25%, but trying to talk yourself out of getting a jab because it's 0.5% or whatever you come up with is plain naive.
indo-dreaming wrote:Had my first Jab today, no side effects so far, maybe arm a tad sore.
Like man sore cause I had some pretty bad man sore pain too and some man nausea for like a full hour after mine.
I kid, but those were the thoughts going through my wife's head as I layed on the lounge leaving her to attend to the 2 children she passed through a canal I contend is not designed for the travel of a small human.
what did you get Indo?
freeride76 wrote:got me some of that German bio-tech mRNA goodness yesterday.
feeling fine.
2hr surf at the Point, big paddle.
Did my own research then dosed myself in panic/fear anti-vax porn below the line on ZeroHedge and that journo Sypkan posted up.
Just to prime myself for any negative reaction and bring on a maximum nocebo effect.no effect.
Had mine a bit over a week ago.
Had some fairly bad aches & pains and fatigue for about 3 days & a dead arm. Fine by day 4.
I tend to get a similar reaction to flu vaccines though, and the whooping cough & tetanus one I got earlier in the year was much worse.
"Did my own research"
Haha!
I'm in for the AZ tomoz.
Stok wrote:gromfull wrote:Yes we are in a serous medical possible pandemic but why are we focusing on death rates, why cant we have broader reporting on the whole, makes you wonder
Doesn't make me wonder at all, standard media modus operandi. Bad news gets more eyes/clicks.
Don't re-assure yourself too much with the survival rate though. As we're all likely to end up getting this, there'll be 1000's upon 1000s of poor people getting the rough end of the stick...some you may think will be on their way out anyway, but lots will not be. Also lots more will come close to death, or never fully recover.We're incredibly lucky this thing doesn't have a 'doomsday' deathrate such as 10%, or 25%, but trying to talk yourself out of getting a jab because it's 0.5% or whatever you come up with is plain naive.
If everything media wise was rosy and all going well, less people would feel the need to get the vaccine. Same goes with lockdown…..keep people in lockdown for longer periods and more will do the right thing. It sucks but due to the anti vax anti lockdown crowd more hard encouragement is needed. Too many won’t voluntarily do the right thing.
""Did my own research"
Haha!"
my thoughts exactly
Im expecting a vicvocal 'resurch' post any moment now...
another one!
freeride76 wrote:what did you get Indo?
Pfizer im in my late 40's, ive been booked in for a while.
I had actually been contemplating swapping to AZ and then seeing if i could get Pfizer for the second shot as this seems the best combo.
But to be honest i really couldn't be bothered having an argument with the wife as i know she wouldn't like me getting AZ as would be worried id get blood clots :D (she got Pfizer last week)
Roadkill wrote:If everything media wise was rosy and all going well, less people would feel the need to get the vaccine. Same goes with lockdown…..keep people in lockdown for longer periods and more will do the right thing. It sucks but due to the anti vax anti lockdown crowd more hard encouragement is needed. Too many won’t voluntarily do the right thing.
Very true.
Unfortunately some people see the heightened reporting of the negativity as 'brainwashing'. It's a balance alright.
Gone past 75% and you still can’t make a September booking here for Pfizer. The final NSW number is going to settle at an impressively high number compared to the rest of the world
QLD is lagging behind and needs to up the vax rate. We have had it too easy with no big outbreaks so the masses relax…especially the younger ages.
now we are getting somewhere
the hard numbers...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australia-is-spendin...
the numbers!
the possibilities!
nice to know I'm worth $25mil, but sure don't feel like it... not to this government, not to any government I've ever known...
strange times!
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?