Vaccinate or not
Stok wrote:Roadkill wrote:Do you people that think this is about govt control actually think members of our govt have meetings where that discuss how to control the population? Do PMs, present and past, attend meetings, where they are updated and advised on the planning to control the population?
So then, who in our govt would be in charge, who would attend and contribute to the meetings? Are these meetings in AUS part of a bigger network including other nations that have inter country meetings to discuss and form ways to control the various populations?
I would love for you guys to clearly lay out who and how you think this control is happening?And this is where it all breaks down, yet the contrarians are too stupid to comprehend it.
There is no way, no possible way, anything close to what some idiots are postulating would be feasible.
Even the most simple tasks get screwed up royally by Governments and corporations.
Multi levelled, top secret agendas only happen in the deranged dreams of people who never really grew up.
The 3/4 main idiots in here dribbling on about control won’t answer…they will think about it and decide to remain silent….because, once they think about it and have to clearly layout their responses they will know they have no real response, and to reply, will just prove again they are fools.
views from the cockpit wrote:If at this stage you are still an anti vaxxer re Covid then you are either at least one of the below:
1/Selfish- perhaps defiantly so
2/Stupid- perhaps mentally retarded
3/Scared and weak
Thankfully, this time wasting and brain cell destroying debate will be over soon. We'll hit the targets, ID's will be distributed, people will happily take boosters and we can move on. Look at the %'s we're up to now. It's game over.
Seriously, if you actually think that you are NOT an all out anti vaxxer, but take the position of 'let's debate/question/consider' this, you absolutely fall into one or all the above categories.
You're not intelligent, or a critical thinker to be doing this, you're just effectively a pawn who's veered on the side of the internet where groups are purposely trying to ingrain there radical ideas into the scared, frustrated, joe public.
Roadkill - seems like a perfectly reasonable question . Have a go at answering it .
" Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter”"
Hutchy 19 wrote:Roadkill - seems like a perfectly reasonable question . Have a go at answering it .
" Tell me again how it’s safer to have a covid positive vaxxed punter next to you at the gig than it is to have an unvaxxed covid negative punter”"
It's certainly unsafer for the unvaxed COVID negative punter
That didn’t answer the question SG. Of course it is, that’s why I spent the last year trying to encourage people to vaccinate. But you can’t legally stop them from living, nor should you want to, just like you can’t stop smokers from smoking
Roadkill you sound confused. You’re debating over here with me that the government is just about to impose a decades long sweeping reform of freedoms to control the unvaxxed, yet pretend over there you don’t think the government is trying to control anyone
I’ll put it to you again. The current wording and rules imposed against the unvaxxed are a temporary measure to pressure as many of the last lot as possible. It won’t hold for any length of time. Very soon, like America, we will add a testing option in for the unvaxxed, so they can keep their jobs and see the world
Stok wrote:Roadkill wrote:Do you people that think this is about govt control actually think members of our govt have meetings where that discuss how to control the population? Do PMs, present and past, attend meetings, where they are updated and advised on the planning to control the population?
So then, who in our govt would be in charge, who would attend and contribute to the meetings? Are these meetings in AUS part of a bigger network including other nations that have inter country meetings to discuss and form ways to control the various populations?
I would love for you guys to clearly lay out who and how you think this control is happening?And this is where it all breaks down, yet the contrarians are too stupid to comprehend it.
There is no way, no possible way, anything close to what some idiots are postulating would be feasible.
Even the most simple tasks get screwed up royally by Governments and corporations.
Multi levelled, top secret agendas only happen in the deranged dreams of people who never really grew up.
but who's saying this stuff?
most people are just asking questions and raising points... you know... discussing stuff we all have a stake in... like we used to do stuff...
I can think of about 4 people on here, who go even remotely close to suggesting it's an all controlling conspirational behemoth calling the shots...
and 2 are often mia
and yet day after day, post after post, this most pathetic of rebuttals is thrown out there, with the poster believing they've won something
it's so reflexive and pathetic, all you have won is the competition of I've got nothing
watch russel brand's video above, and maybe check your emotional state to questions, because it ain't healthy, for you or society, in so many ways...
’ll put it to you again. The current wording and rules imposed against the unvaxxed are a temporary measure to pressure as many of the last lot as possible. It won’t hold for any length of time. Very soon, like America, we will add a testing option in for the unvaxxed, so they can keep their jobs and see the world'
Spot on shoredump.
We are seeing an unprecedented hype campaign on every mainstream print, radio and tv station to get as many people jabbed as possible. But like all similar bubbles in history, they burst eventually and the court proceedings commence.
shoredump wrote:I’ll put it to you again. The current wording and rules imposed against the unvaxxed are a temporary measure to pressure as many of the last lot as possible. It won’t hold for any length of time. Very soon, like America, we will add a testing option in for the unvaxxed, so they can keep their jobs and see the world
I work in a high school in NSW and we have until Nov 8th to get Vaxxed or no job unless you meet the criteria for a Medical Contraindication Certificate and good luck with that one. Can't see that changing anytime soon. You do have a choice - get vaxxed or change careers :)
So a baker cannot refuse to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding on religious grounds but CAN refuse to bake a cake for a person who refused to get vaxxed on religious grounds .
Sounds like " You can (can't ) have your cake and eat it (too) .
And while there are those early movers throwing themselves out of the trenches 1st as that whistle blows, history also tells us there is a much stronger case for being the close 2nd.
I really can’t understand health care australia reason for doing this . When I got my second jab of AZ the nurse was asking reception staff to do a quick ring around to find 3 more people who could come in as she didn’t want to waste the rest of the AZ vial . TBB has put up posts before explaining how much Pfizer has been wasted in Australia . https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/coronavirus-australia-n... In a statement, Healthcare Australia said Ms Peterson had been fired because she did not dispose of the excess vaccine.
“In the event that there is still excess that cannot be used on eligible individuals as determined by the Commonwealth, HCA follow the government policy for disposal,” a spokeswoman said.
Yeah Jon, bloody hard for lots of ppl currently confronted with this. There's a lot of info circulating about this and groups on FB etc I've heard. I'm sure if you look you will find lots of info, networks and contacts, which might help. There's a challenge going through the Supreme Court currently related to a similar requirement by the NSW police. It has been deferred until the 17th Sept but you can pick that up live.
And you may not be fazed but I bet some of your work colleagues are probably having a very stressful time. Teachers and the like shouldn't be judged on their vaccine status. They should be judged on their ability to contribute to kids education.
sypkan wrote:but who's saying this stuff?
most people are just asking questions and raising points... you know... discussing stuff we all have a stake in... like we used to do stuff...
I can think of about 4 people on here, who go even remotely close to suggesting it's an all controlling conspirational behemoth calling the shots...
and 2 are often mia
and yet day after day, post after post, this most pathetic of rebuttals is thrown out there, with the poster believing they've won something
it's so reflexive and pathetic, all you have won is the competition of I've got nothing
watch russel brand's video above, and maybe check your emotional state to questions, because it ain't healthy, for you or society, in so many ways...
I'm not going to lie, there's a cathartic element to it. I do however generally never bother watching comedians do any other content than comedy, but that's just me.
On the discussion point though, I will say that the thread title is 'Vaccinate or Not', which in a sense is the issue we have. We're fighting a war against a new virus and by the far the best easiest defence is vaccination. To question, discuss, misinform, doubt etc. etc. in our current age of search engine algorithms and individuals who's sole purpose is to destabilise is what's actually going to end in deaths.
Should we start a new thread called 'Tetanus shot or not'?? I hear big pharma makes heaps of money and I don't know anyone who died....
"That didn’t answer the question SG. Of course it is, that’s why I spent the last year trying to encourage people to vaccinate. But you can’t legally stop them from living, nor should you want to, just like you can’t stop smokers from smoking"
Sorry shoredump, I was being facetious.
IMO there will be ongoing disincentives for being unvaccinated including; the curtailment of travel, venue exclusion and limitation of employment opportunities.
This is certainly will be the COVID normal and I can't see any way out of it.
However, " Very soon, like America, we will add a testing option in for the unvaxxed, so they can keep their jobs and see the world" is problematic.
US companies are not heading in this direction.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/here-are-companies-mandat...
Haha and what a list. All the usual suspects. Like here san Guine a lot of this is going to get tested through the courts over the coming months.
shortenism wrote:We are seeing an unprecedented hype campaign on every mainstream print, radio and tv station to get as many people jabbed as possible. But like all similar bubbles in history, they burst eventually and the court proceedings commence.
Got links to these court proceedings for these 'similar bubbles'?
"I'm not going to lie, there's a cathartic element to it. I do however generally never bother watching comedians do any other content than comedy, but that's just me."
me neither, I didn't even really like russell brand as a comedian, but some of these russell gone rogue vids are spot on...
if the corona ones are too confronting for ya, the one about how billionaires are borrowing cash as a tax dodge in the current climate is a real eyeopener... and explains a lot...
"...On the discussion point though, I will say that the thread title is 'Vaccinate or Not', which in a sense is the issue we have. We're fighting a war against a new virus and by the far the best easiest defence is vaccination. To question, discuss, misinform, doubt etc. etc."
but if those vaccines are not meeting required specs. and expectations surely we should be discussing it?
...and if the lacklustre vaccines are actually the answer at all...
"... in our current age of search engine algorithms and individuals who's sole purpose is to destabilise is what's actually going to end in deaths."
this shit is so so overstated its actually ridiculous...
"...Should we start a new thread called 'Tetanus shot or not'?? I hear big pharma makes heaps of money and I don't know anyone who died...."
do it if you want...
but I think it'll be a fizzer
tetanus vaccines actually work as intended
Ben
"Got links to these court proceedings for these 'similar bubbles'?"
They had one for the GFC and it went nowhere as expected . The only guy that was sacrificed was a very small fish . All the whales were rewarded with bailouts .
The analogy of a bubble is correct though .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/png-vaccine-hesitancy-papua-new-g...
This is sadly predictable.
Have done a couple of volunteering trips (to train health care workers) up on Kokoda, and our team had to stop because some of our trained HCW's were selling government supplied antibiotics down in Moresby. (Note, our team did not provide any medications apart from basic first aid, on the basis that whatever we did needed to be sustainable).
Oh and on PNG,
There is a huge overuse of antibiotics in clinics in Moresby, the corollary being that there are now anti-biotic resistant strains of TB in the Highlands
Just because Russell Brand believes that dark political forces are linked to the Covid issue I don't think we should ignore his views .
We still have to work out how to deal with the issues .
Rollout defaults more vaccinated requiring more overwhelming Hospital resource.
Most advanced Rollouts have long reported highest [+] cases in Vaxed Aged Care / Staff / Patients.
Hesitants are paying more for growing number of Vaxer'z Covid health bills at cost of own health.
NSW Nurses claim Rollout is sucking frontline resource & Outpatients / Ambos / Clinic care at Crisis.
Alongside these obvious Health facts that will ever blowout by nature, one fact is alarming & unreported.
tbb has reported the rise in Fully Vaxed Emergency Patients > ICU > deaths is soaring...
Vaxed Aged Deaths are currently out numbering - no vax aged deaths by a ratio of 4 to 1.
Originally 1st Phase incubating deaths in Feb Israel > UK...World is finally thankfully revealing that now.
Sadly, that's not the end of it...tbb recently shared current UK Hospital Patient Death Stats.
Under 50 Fully Vaxed Ward has 33.1% death rate...Vaxed youth are dying faster than unvaxed elderly.
Over 50 No Vax Ward has 33% death rate which is also presents higher but better than healthy vaxed.
Poor ill no vax vs Healthy Science models mutating & spreading stronger Covid just to die faster.
Vax or Not -5th Sep tbb - https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/506540?page=79
Explanation!
1) UK Govt inhouse Data is excellent but never share current breakdown of Like on Like efficacy. (Taboo!)
2) UK Govt are aware of Vaxed Anomalies & from 1st mth to this week - censor open Data from scrutiny.
3) As Rollout progresses so too will Vaxerz dominate Stats...expect more censorship of BT stats.
4) The Vax does not protect the vaxer as well as hoped & is frightfully advancing Covid in Vaxed patients.
tbb first alerted crew then rightfully issued a { WARNING } + promised to investigate further! (Here!)
3rd Sept 2021 England SARS-CoV-2 VOC investigation in England (Technical Briefing 22)+Updates.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Pages 21 / 22 (England-Delta) 1st Feb- 29 Aug 2021 -Attendance to Emergency Care & Deaths.
Note: Date shows full 2 dose Rollout stats would fairly equal out percentage of Vax v No Vax stats.
1 dose stats over-represent in small window of 3/8/12 weeks between Doses.
It shows UK Health very well know that Covid infected Vaxerz are most Lethal to themselves & others.
By Science / Govts / Media denying this Urgent Vaccine data they're knowingly spreading virus & death.
Ok! Many here might say that's the point...grab 40% from dead weight elderly & reboot sterile nations.
You could just let India join the club to even out the Power Ratio...just did...they're on their way... Ok then!
Under 50 Vaxerz would under represent in Timeline...see: Above / Below snapshot or links for u50.
All are 50+ Delta Cases :
Emergency re/Visits
No Vax : 6,724
1 dose : >21d 6,622 > 21d+ 277
2 doses : 51,420
Emergency on Arrival
No Vax : 913
1 dose : >21d 26 > 21d+ 406
2 doses : 2,500
Follow up Emergency Visit
No Vax : 2,019
1 dose : > 21d 55 > 21d+ 665
2 doses : 4,374
Return Emergency o/n (Ongoing) Stay
No Vax : 510
1 dose : >21d 15 > 21d+ 161
2 doses : 1,292
Ongoing Emergency o/n stay
No Vax : 1,322
1 dose : >21d 36 > 21d+ 336
2 doses : 2,651
Hospital Deaths
No Vax : 437
1 dose : >21d 10 > 21d+ 118
2 doses : 1054
Last Week UK deaths (All ages)
No Vax : 536
1/2 doses : 1,233
Clear to all, that more vaxerz overwhelm Emergency Hospital Resource from Ambo thru to morgue.
Rollout stats have advanced to u50 & will sadly only see more younger Vaxerz die than unvaxed.
The concern is the Like for Like Stats showing Covid killing young vaxers easier than 50+ unvaxed.
Nope! Crew will definitely never ever read about that, despite the fact it's happening right now!
Current stats show Under 50 Rollout creates it's own Scottish Health Vax incubation Crisis as above.
The very reason NHS censored Tabby Stats this week for being a little too open & truthful with the fact.
Vax or Not 8th Sept tbb- https://www.swellnet.com/comment/758810
Also the #1 reason UK are holding back on Kidz Vax...(You can't knowingly sign away another's life!)
Govt's are prioritizing #1 infectious vulnerable Vaxerz to superspread more lethal Covid over society?
This is more about Evil Empires shifting game board pieces!
Again! Salute Vaxerz! This report is shared with Vaxerz best Health in mind.
tbb promised if he raised the alarm then would investigate further & advise all concerned to do so!
All crew know the vaccine is designed to limit harm from the virus...this is clearly not the case! Why!
Rollout defaults more vaccinated requiring more overwhelming Hospital resource.
Most advanced Rollouts have long reported highest [+] cases in Vaxed Aged Care / Staff / Patients.
Hesitants are paying more for growing number of Vaxer'z Covid health bills at cost of own health.
NSW Nurses claim Rollout is sucking frontline resource & Outpatients / Ambos / Clinic care at Crisis.Alongside these obvious Health facts that will ever blowout by nature, one fact is alarming & unreported.
tbb has reported the rise in Fully Vaxed Emergency Patients > ICU > deaths is soaring...
Vaxed Aged Deaths are currently out numbering - no vax aged deaths by a ratio of 4 to 1.
Originally 1st Phase incubating deaths in Feb Israel > UK...World is finally thankfully revealing that now.Sadly, that's not the end of it...tbb recently shared current UK Hospital Patient Death Stats.
Under 50 Fully Vaxed Ward has 33.1% death rate...Vaxed youth are dying faster than unvaxed elderly.
Over 50 No Vax Ward has 33% death rate which is also presents higher but better than healthy vaxed.
Poor ill no vax vs Healthy Science models mutating & spreading stronger Covid just to die faster.
Vax or Not -5th Sep tbb - https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/506540?page=79Explanation!
1) UK Govt inhouse Data is excellent but never share current breakdown of Like on Like efficacy. (Taboo!)
2) UK Govt are aware of Vaxed Anomalies & from 1st mth to this week - censor open Data from scrutiny.
3) As Rollout progresses so too will Vaxerz dominate Stats...expect more censorship of BT stats.
4) The Vax does not protect the vaxer as well as hoped & is frightfully advancing Covid in Vaxed patients.tbb first alerted crew then rightfully issued a { WARNING } + promised to investigate further! (Here!)
3rd Sept 2021 England SARS-CoV-2 VOC investigation in England (Technical Briefing 22)+Updates.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...Pages 21 / 22 (England-Delta) 1st Feb- 29 Aug 2021 -Attendance to Emergency Care & Deaths.
Note: Date shows full 2 dose Rollout stats would fairly equal out percentage of Vax v No Vax stats.
1 dose stats over-represent in small window of 3/8/12 weeks between Doses.
It shows UK Health very well know that Covid infected Vaxerz are most Lethal to themselves & others.By Science / Govts / Media denying this Urgent Vaccine data they're knowingly spreading virus & death.
Ok! Many here might say that's the point...grab 40% from dead weight elderly & reboot sterile nations.
You could just let India join the club to even out the Power Ratio...just did...they're on their way... Ok then!Under 50 Vaxerz would under represent in Timeline...see: Above / Below snapshot or links for u50.
All are 50+ Delta Cases :
Emergency re/Visits
No Vax : 6,724
1 dose : >21d 6,622 > 21d+ 277
2 doses : 51,420Emergency on Arrival
No Vax : 913
1 dose : >21d 26 > 21d+ 406
2 doses : 2,500Follow up Emergency Visit
No Vax : 2,019
1 dose : > 21d 55 > 21d+ 665
2 doses : 4,374Return Emergency o/n (Ongoing) Stay
No Vax : 510
1 dose : >21d 15 > 21d+ 161
2 doses : 1,292Ongoing Emergency o/n stay
No Vax : 1,322
1 dose : >21d 36 > 21d+ 336
2 doses : 2,651Hospital Deaths
No Vax : 437
1 dose : >21d 10 > 21d+ 118
2 doses : 1054Last Week UK deaths (All ages)
No Vax : 536
1/2 doses : 1,233Clear to all, that more vaxerz overwhelm Emergency Hospital Resource from Ambo thru to morgue.
Rollout stats have advanced to u50 & will sadly only see more younger Vaxerz die than unvaxed.
The concern is the Like for Like Stats showing Covid killing young vaxers easier than 50+ unvaxed.
Nope! Crew will definitely never ever read about that, despite the fact it's happening right now!Current stats show Under 50 Rollout creates it's own Scottish Health Vax incubation Crisis as above.
The very reason NHS censored Tabby Stats this week for being a little too open & truthful with the fact.
Vax or Not 8th Sept tbb- https://www.swellnet.com/comment/758810
Also the #1 reason UK are holding back on Kidz Vax...(You can't knowingly sign away another's life!)Govt's are prioritizing #1 infectious vulnerable Vaxerz to superspread more lethal Covid over society?
This is more about Evil Empires shifting game board pieces!Again! Salute Vaxerz! This report is shared with Vaxerz best Health in mind.
tbb promised if he raised the alarm then would investigate further & advise all concerned to do so!
All crew know the vaccine is designed to limit harm from the virus...this is clearly not the case! Why
Wow Abmay, Christmas dinner must be really fun at your place. Does your granny know about your plans?
Abmay said:
"I am currently not planning to vax due to my unselfish nature,
I believe a minor cull could be beneficial. Most other species on earth have their populations kept in check by environmental factors. COVID could be viewed as a gift."
Wow, self sacrifice there. I don't think it's necessary but you do you. Farewell fellow human.
I have a few questions for all you freedomnistas. How many of you lot have ever fought for a bill of rights in Australia? What about refugee rights? press freedom and improved FOI laws? What about the friendly Jordies' producer? Fought for him? Ever stood up for a whistleblower? Ever donated to Amnesty International?
I'm tipping you lot are very new to this freedom fighting game, and have only got on board the freedom train when Covid meant you can't do what you, like when you like it, because that would endanger the health of fellow citizens.
I fucking despise the right wing freedom folk. On one hand they want the freedom to be racists dogs or ignore lockdown, and next minute they are jailing witness K and Bernard Colleary. Refugees locked up for years on end by our government? You cunts cheer that on.
Bunch of fucking Karens and Man Karens. Nothing more, nothing less.
“ I fucking despise the right wing freedom folk. On one hand they want the freedom to be racists dogs or ignore lockdown, and next minute they are jailing witness K and Bernard Colleary. Refugees locked up for years on end by our government? You cunts cheer that on.
Bunch of fucking Karens and Man Karens. Nothing more, nothing less.“
Anyone got any idea what or who she’s talking about here? That’s your full mindless hate salad right there. Does anyone simultaneously share all those opinions in reality? Sounds a lot like she’s just created a personal Frankenstein of people she dislikes like a RWNJ Heffalump.. Pretty funny either way. You’d definitely need a bib if you were giving voice to that little spray.
"There are way too many of us and I would be okay with some of my relatives in there twilight years leaving a little early."
You cruel and heartless bastard. Why would you be ok with your elderly relatives dying of Covid. It's a slow painful death. Surely a lethal injection would be a much more humane way to put Nanna down. Would you be willing to put the needle in Abmay?
Abmay wrote:There are way too many of us and I would be okay with some of my relatives in there twilight years leaving a little early. This may sound harsh to many but I see this being for the greater good of the environment and future generations.
AE: Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed. I witness them everyday.
Perhaps of some assistance should Covid prove ineffective.
"A Perth woman has wept uncontrollably as she was found guilty of murdering her 91-year-old grandmother by tampering with her medication nearly a decade ago."
https://www.9news.com.au/national/alaine-sturniolo-found-guilty-of-murde...
BTW - I was thinking of watching 'Split' tonight - about someone with 24 seperate personalities apparently.
Abmay wrote:"If at this stage you are still an anti vaxxer re Covid then you are either at least one of the below:
1/Selfish- perhaps defiantly so
2/Stupid- perhaps mentally retarded
3/Scared and weak"I am currently not planning to vax due to my unselfish nature, I'm certainly not scared and weak and a long way from stupid . The way I see it the earth is getting screwed by humans because we are greedy, selfish and never satisfied. I believe a minor cull could be beneficial. Most other species on earth have their populations kept in check by environmental factors. COVID could be viewed as a gift. There are way too many of us and I would be okay with some of my relatives in there twilight years leaving a little early. This may sound harsh to many but I see this being for the greater good of the environment and future generations.
AE: Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed. I witness them everyday.
Most people that offer up elderly folk in this way, change their views when they themselves become old folk.
Maybe not scared and weak and a long way from stupid (debatable)…but you are a nasty human.
VL - What a RANT ! I think you might have broken your record . Please look at the Brand video and have a nap .
On this thread there was a video posted of a Black women with a PHD in medicine speaking to a US parliamentary enquiry . Black vax rates in the US are around 10% due to them being discriminated for treatment for syphilis in the 70's and for another reason I can't remember in the 90's . They don't trust the US medical system .
She was horrified that the government would not let her kids go to school and other Blacks work because they hadn't been vaxed . She believed it was racist !
"How many of you lot have ever fought for a bill of rights in Australia? What about refugee rights? press freedom and improved FOI laws? What about the friendly Jordies' producer? Fought for him? Ever stood up for a whistleblower? Ever donated to Amnesty International? "
Have you ever gone to war like our Diggers did to fight for our freedom from Tyranny ? Hundreds of thousand made the ultimate sacrifice and they would all be horrified to hear what you say . I was a whistle-blower and it cost me my job . There are hundreds of wonderful charities in Australia . I bet those you slag have donated a lot more than you have in their lifetime .
I have lots of friends that are Left and you are nothing like them .
I have only been on this site for a few weeks but I can say that in my experience I have NEVER seen anyone seem more cruel , heartless and racist than YOU .
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black .
Invoking the Aussie Diggers in the anti vaccine cause. What a fucking joke hutchy 19. It doesn’t get anymore pathetic than that. Our diggers never went to war to stop our govt bringing in vaccine passports. Not in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, turkey, png, or Europe. You’re fucked in the head mate.
Con - Why I ask did you feel the need to re post ? It feels like yesterday I read the first .
"further, a real fascination/obsession with that 'treatment' that starts with an I.
Why, exactly? It works (in regards to COVID)? And as what though? Vax, cure, prophylactic, booster? It has been around a while and is safe for human and beast?
It is/isn't 'Big Pharma'?"
Try not to be such a smart ar.. so the punters on this site can work out what you are trying to say . It wasn't clear the first time and it doesn't become clearer by repeating .
ps I like hamburger like everyone else ( except Blowin ) but will not eat anything that is likely to cause certain death .
how about you just spell it out for us constance?
you come across about as cryptic and crazy as truebluebasher... the difference is, he's earned a place in our hearts, and for many of us, proved his worth...
you've just swanned in the room, in a rather aloof manner, and started throwing shit on various walls...
you expect some engagement?
or you just here to say... 'he's a very naughty boy'
VL - I brought up the diggers due to this part of your rant that did not mention covid or passports .
"How many of you lot have ever fought for a bill of rights in Australia? What about refugee rights? press freedom and improved FOI laws? What about the friendly Jordies' producer? Fought for him? Ever stood up for a whistleblower? Ever donated to Amnesty International? "
They went to war to stop cruelty , heartlessness , racism and tyranny all which you promote . You want everyone to do and say what you think and will shout down and abuse those that won't .
So I’m a racist tyrant for thinking anti vaxxers should be held accountable for their lifestyle choices? Maybe I just want covid to be controlled and think VPs are a useful tool in the battle. But hey, if you want to portray me as a modern day hitler, and you consider yourself a modern day digger out of uniform fighting tyranny, good luck to you.
This thread is getting weirder and more over the shop every day.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?