Vaccinate or not
indo-dreaming wrote:Ha ha god dude how on earth do you get so triggered (yeah i hate that word) from a comment about the fact a lot of well know surfers have come out as nut cases during Covid,...that's fact.
Anyway on the other stuff go gets fucked i dont give a shit what a wanker like you thinks, you are quite obviously a tosser.
Uh oh. So i guess, you'd say, going by the above, you're, 'triggered'? Although you hate using that word.
Hello BD . Acting true to form I see .
Actually love surfing Lefts . Easier take off for a 60 year old . Stayed at Wavepark twice when in the Mentawi Is . Famous break on the island is Hideaway's - a left . Always shallow and unsurfable at low tide . Best session I had in the Ments was at Scarecrows ( as I have posted before ) at up to triple overhead - a left .
Love Bali . Go mainly to Balangan and Ulu's - Lefts . Love the racetrack - left .
I am a natural .
You are also a naturally offensive person with a silly habit of posting omm's and ahh's .
Have you been able to get out of your circle of friends and find out that 85% of Australians are not racists yet ? I know shit attracts the same but good to widen your horizons occasionally .
Well i guess i could have ridden an air mattress on that foam ball 2 inches behind my heels if it would ease your minds.
Yeah anyway it's pretty much pointless us getting all personal and throwing insults, so yeah i got triggered.
I actually thought despite our difference BD that we had kind of moved on and even had some decent discussions (that Indigenous thread you started)
Anyway i guess this is my way of apologising :D (for the insults)
Kumbaya Indo.
I'll roll with that.
Stop calling most surfers and shapers absolute nutcases and we might have a starting point.
Just hate seeing shit like that thown out when so many people who have helped shape the surfing experience for all of us and have ridden waves way scarier than you and i both and have a much fuller experience of the surfing landscape are those exact people. A little respect man.
Aloha i guess!! Cheers for the olive branch. It's a cool gesture and much appreciated.
@hutchy. I've spent the last 15 years travelling overseas and all around Australia. If there's a part of Australia you want to name i could confidently say i've spent a large amount of time near it or in it. Every state, every territory, every indigenous region as much as possible.When i say what i've experiened, i mean it.
My friends are all over Australia and the world. Of all races, ages and 'types'. I'm in essence a gypsy. I have great respect for all who respect others. I have found unequivocally, through travelling Australia, especially the 'black parts' (which if you've never travelled over the ranges, you may not be aware even exist) that 85percent of White Australians...at a minimum harbour some form of racism. And i would confidently say that most White Australians where i've travelled have strong negative opinions on indigenous Australians. It is a colonial mentality still. This is from first hand experience Australia wide. Take it as you will. You want evidence, that's what i've got. I could tell you endless tales of conversations i've had to endure from white Australians in all these parts of oz because i've lived and worked in so many of these places. It is what i've heard. What i've heard is truth. To me anyway. I'm not making up anything that's not fact. YOU can choose to believe it or not, but until you have travelled the same journey, maybe best to reserve your judgement on what i've experienced and perhaps go out and experience it for yourself....lockdowns permitting.
What does the US government give and recommend to certain migrants depending where they are coming from ? Well it isn’t horse paste but the human variety of ivermectin is on the list .
Immigrant, Refugee, and Migrant Health
Section NavigationOverseas Guidance
To promote healthy resettlement, CDC provides supplemental guidance to panel physicians caring for US-bound refugees. The Overseas Refugee Health Guidance provides panel physicians with supplemental guidance on vaccination, pre-departure treatments for malaria and intestinal parasites and fitness to travel. These activities are coordinated with the International Organization for Migration (IOM). Ivermectin 3
Drug and dosing Weight (kg)
Not recommended <15
1 tablet (3 mg) 15-24
2 tablets (6 mg) 25-35
3 tablets (9 mg) 36-50
4 tablets (12 mg) 51-65
5 tablets (15 mg) 66-79
200 mcg/kg ≥80
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guideline.... Simply incredible how a large percentage of the media peddle so much misinformation about this drug which currently has 43 trials for covid peer reviewed showing benefit , yet it’s nothing but horse paste if you believe their crap.
Great post supafreak.
Cheers BD , TBB has put up some really interesting links lately too .
India’s DNA COVID vaccine is a world first – more are coming. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02385-x?utm_source=Nature+Bri...
Shock Headline ( UK Vaxed u50 have a higher death rate than Unvaxed 50+)
Over 50 (Unvaxed) 437 died /1,322 Patients ...or 33%
Under 50 (Vaxxed) 51 died /154 Patients ...or 33.1%
How the Hell are aging decrepit unvaxed bodies brushing off Covid better than vaxed Athletes.
Smelly unkempt unvaxed geriatrics donate death beds for Teen's Killer Vax Craze.
This is seriously Alarming...tbb is convening a Vax Summit...(No Experts Allowed!)
Jan 2021 tbb warned of Rollout spiking covid cases 2-3x
{ WARNING } Vaxerz are now dying faster & younger each Day...see stats included!
More on this story below!
Speaking of Death Counts {RIP}
United Crazies Party are surely laminating their 500th Vax death Gold Print Edition flyer.
TGA will argue they just smashed the world's lowest double digit figures.
So how far does one go to settle the argument...
[ Fact Check ]
Germany Chief Pro Vax Doctor secured enough Post Vax Autopsies.
30-(40%) of those dying within 2 weeks of vaccinations died from the vax.
https://ugolini.co.th/ugolini/horowitz-pro-vaccine-german-pathologist-be...
Still think that's a little too high ..then better not read yer UK Weekly Vax deaths.
22nd- 29th Aug 2021 UK Sky Newspaper Headline { 3/4 u50 in Hospital are unvaxxed }
Daily News Cartoon : (Same as yesterday & day before!) { Someone should Blow Hesitants Up }
Now very slowly move yer eyes down to glance the Sky Vax Death Notices....Cough! Cough!
This week's UK Death Tally = 1769 { RIP }
1,233/wk 70% Vaxed Died (vs) 536/wk 30% Unvaxed. Died
Alternate Newspaper Headline { Double Vax is killing 2-3x faster than record unvaxed Killer Delta }
(1,233 Vaxerz vanished this week!)...Might wanna see the Doctor about that!
UK Vaccinated are now dying over 2x faster than that killer disease that leaked from the Lab.
Everyway you spin it Vax -No Vax / 1 dose v 2 Dose / 2 dose v 2 dose even reverse Old v Young
More Vax > More Covid > More Cases > More Death is our future...check any / all Data.
Vaxer Incubates Covid then Sheds it & goes home... (See ya next week!)
Covid breaks thru a Vaxer, skip ICU, just phone the Morgue! (1,233x this week, doesn't make the news!)
Perhaps that sheds some light on the Vax Reaction Deaths...
Vax Tally : We now know, whatever Clive can stuff into yer Mail Box...is nowhere near the half of it.
For those brave enough to read the Paper.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital...
More plot twists than Scooby Doo. Of special note is that the language is not referring to the vaccines inability in preventing the transmission of the virus, it’s about the vaccines inability to prevent people from getting sick and clogging up the health system. I can see why the vaccines require direct and proxy mandating …..it’d be a tough gig selling the vaccines without them.
That’s incorrect Blowin. The vaccine has an excellent ability in preventing people from getting sick. They are talking about the vaccines inability to last forever, in fact it looks like it’s only about 8 months.
That’s why a booster or two will be needed to stop our health system becoming overwhelmed, and the goal now is obviously on tweaking these new tech vaccines to fight each new variant, with a long game ideal of finding a one punch vaccine
sypkan wrote:"Yeh Sypkan,
That's all that nurses do... "and before anyone rattles off about nurse shortages... pretty sure one nurse and 5 newly trained wardies and/or army reservists can spin an old bod..."
Out of touch with reality. Nursing is such an easy job..."I wasn't saying that's all nurses do...
I was giving an example of a solution to a problem that was presented as one major issue for corona patients in ICU ie. it takes six nurses to turn them over, and this needs doing several times per shift...
geez there's some sensitive souls on here...
Utter garbage. Unless you are prone ventilating the patient or they are bariatric...and we have turn teams to do that, who are made up of AMT's and PSA's (nonclinical staff).
Sensitive possibly, due to the high level of stress that we are currently under in the hospital, but I am not making poorly informed suggestions
"What's my pin?" Living with Long Covid.
As variants emerge and anti-vaxxers push, I talk to a friend who survived Covid - but is forever changed.
https://www.webworm.co/p/longcovid?fbclid=IwAR2lKJkW_ZGmXqCSuF-Ka1ytGlDC...
@patrick , really good article and there are so many with similar stories, some from professional NBL players 21 years old who haven’t been able to reclaim their fitness . You need lungs to surf .
UK JVCI recommend against "Underage" Teen Vax. (Boris to Overrule!)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-teenagers-r...
Some experts are still so stupid as to question why & demand the full data be released...
Yep! Seriously...it slaps ya in the face each morning & still some demand the Full "open" reason! Really!
Well it goes like this....
Adults are free to Consent to die faster from a medical procedure.
No Adult has the right to hasten a Child's death by a Medical Procedure...( Experts Know this!)
Other Nations can rightly point to ignorance in data but UK have published Vax Data thru the Media!
UK Health data reveals Vax is hastening death rate in all ages of Covid patients.
tbb pointed out that Healthy vaccinated youngest patients are dying faster than unvaxed Senior Ward.
World sees & knows this as fact...it goes against Doctor's oath to recommend Underage Vax.
This is the line in the sand (Reverse Vax Efficacy) ...Game is up...News: Vax promotes Covid Death!
There is no coming back from this ...no repeat 1st Chapter deletion of World Covid Vax Bible.
Doctors can't force a shorter life upon a child...frightful to think Parents bully for such power over kidz!
Media (Set'n'forget) Front page of fading Unvaxerz being an afront upon our Liberty.
Headline { Vaxed patients skyrocket charts as #1 Worldwide Health Crisis } Wot!
Vax is skyrocketing Covid infection of all people & ramping death in vaccinated Patients.
Vax Addiction { Intervention } NOW!
[factcheck] tbb notes many Vax Studies include Kidz / Care patients as > Non Consenting default.
(Double Jabbed) now represent 1,054 / 1,644 in senior patient deaths (Most infected > Morgue > Gone)
The Health experts know without question this will play out similar in defenceless Vaxed Kidz.
Vax promotes Delta kill rate in u50 (33.1%) > 50+ Non Vaxed (33%) 1 dose (34.5%) Full vaxed (40%)
A fool can see as more youthful fully Vaxed crowd out the wards the Vax fuels the crisis. Kaboom!
Who here would visit a Doctor that advocates killing more patients than most deadly Covid strain.
No surprise that half the World support Vaccines that promote Covid cases & death.
Pardon tbb for being a tad hesitant...today! Just this once, gonna agree with the UK Vax experts!
truebluebasher wrote:Shock Headline ( UK Vaxed u50 have a higher death rate than Unvaxed 50+)
Over 50 (Unvaxed) 437 died /1,322 Patients ...or 33%
Under 50 (Vaxxed) 51 died /154 Patients ...or 33.1%
How the Hell are aging decrepit unvaxed bodies brushing off Covid better than vaxed Athletes.
Smelly unkempt unvaxed geriatrics donate death beds for Teen's Killer Vax Craze.This is seriously Alarming...tbb is convening a Vax Summit...(No Experts Allowed!)
Jan 2021 tbb warned of Rollout spiking covid cases 2-3x
{ WARNING } Vaxerz are now dying faster & younger each Day...see stats included!
More on this story below!Speaking of Death Counts {RIP}
United Crazies Party are surely laminating their 500th Vax death Gold Print Edition flyer.
TGA will argue they just smashed the world's lowest double digit figures.So how far does one go to settle the argument...
[ Fact Check ]
Germany Chief Pro Vax Doctor secured enough Post Vax Autopsies.
30-(40%) of those dying within 2 weeks of vaccinations died from the vax.
https://ugolini.co.th/ugolini/horowitz-pro-vaccine-german-pathologist-be...Still think that's a little too high ..then better not read yer UK Weekly Vax deaths.
22nd- 29th Aug 2021 UK Sky Newspaper Headline { 3/4 u50 in Hospital are unvaxxed }
Daily News Cartoon : (Same as yesterday & day before!) { Someone should Blow Hesitants Up }Now very slowly move yer eyes down to glance the Sky Vax Death Notices....Cough! Cough!
This week's UK Death Tally = 1769 { RIP }
1,233/wk 70% Vaxed Died (vs) 536/wk 30% Unvaxed. Died
Alternate Newspaper Headline { Double Vax is killing 2-3x faster than record unvaxed Killer Delta }(1,233 Vaxerz vanished this week!)...Might wanna see the Doctor about that!
UK Vaccinated are now dying over 2x faster than that killer disease that leaked from the Lab.
Everyway you spin it Vax -No Vax / 1 dose v 2 Dose / 2 dose v 2 dose even reverse Old v Young
More Vax > More Covid > More Cases > More Death is our future...check any / all Data.Vaxer Incubates Covid then Sheds it & goes home... (See ya next week!)
Covid breaks thru a Vaxer, skip ICU, just phone the Morgue! (1,233x this week, doesn't make the news!)Perhaps that sheds some light on the Vax Reaction Deaths...
Vax Tally : We now know, whatever Clive can stuff into yer Mail Box...is nowhere near the half of it.For those brave enough to read the Paper.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital...
This is about as confusing a post can get. Just a bunch of bs with very little info able to be read to mean anything…obviously quality over quantity is not something worth thinking about.
Patrick wrote:"What's my pin?" Living with Long Covid.
As variants emerge and anti-vaxxers push, I talk to a friend who survived Covid - but is forever changed.https://www.webworm.co/p/longcovid?fbclid=IwAR2lKJkW_ZGmXqCSuF-Ka1ytGlDC...
Great article.
It is so obvious covid is far more serious than many take it for and the long term issues that will need treating will persist for years. Yet, fucking selfish turds, like many in this thread, will forever be on the wrong side of common sense and reality.
what's utter garbage sanguine?
I just presented the problem as the nurse / representative on abc radio presented it ie. when patients make it to icu (intubated) it takes 6 nurses to turn them over, done a couple of times a shift, which is a burden on struggling staff numbers... she may have taken some artistic license to make her case, or her example is different... either way, my point is, in emergency conditions, you do emergency things...
like train up non clinical staff, and engage the army, and their medical staff, and possibly reservists
might take a little planning, forsight and flexibility of mind to do so... which seems to be the real issue...
pretty funny exchange on insiders this morning...
after all the scotty sound bites about 'don't let corona be the virus that stole christmas...' etc.
his minister on the show seemed to just realise there's no specific wording in their 'plan' addressing the opening of domestic borders at 70-80%... the wording only mentions international borders... and that lockdowns will be more targeted and less often...
that's a nasty little oversight
poor scotty's got a battle on his hands
Yeah San Guine seems like he’s reading from a text book or hospital operations manual to me.
Sorry, was thinking out loud
sypkan wrote:what's utter garbage sanguine?
I just presented the problem as the nurse / representative on abc radio presented it ie. when patients make it to icu (intubated) it takes 6 nurses to turn them over a couple of times a shift, which is a burden on struggling staff numbers... she may have taken some artistic license to make her case, or her example is different... either way, my point is, in emergency conditions, you do emergency things...
like train up non clinical staff, and engage the army, and their medical staff and reservists
might take a little planning, forsight and flexibility of mind to do so... which seems to be the real issue...
So the answer is..train up a heap of people that never signed up to work with a highly virulent infection and chuck them in it?
What a fucking idiotic selfish suggestion..how about all the anti vaxers and those that think covid is nothing volunteer? I can tell you now those selfish pricks would run a mile if asked to help..but would demand others step up and help them.
as i said, in emergency conditions, you do emergency things...
'wartime effort' ...blah blah blah...
the reality doesn't seem to match the rhetoric... not sure which one is hollow and miseading...
these people would be willing participants, and handsomely rewarded in my plan...
and, this is what services like the army are for... or were...
I honestly don't see an issue
sypkan wrote:what's utter garbage sanguine?
I just presented the problem as the nurse / representative on abc radio presented it ie. when patients make it to icu (intubated) it takes 6 nurses to turn them over a couple of times a shift, which is a burden on struggling staff numbers... she may have taken some artistic license to make her case, or her example is different... either way, my point is, in emergency conditions, you do emergency things...
like train up non clinical staff, and engage the army, and their medical staff and reservists
might take a little planning, forsight and flexibility of mind to do so... which seems to be the real issue...
OK sypkan fair enough I didn't know you were referring to a radio interview and what State was this ABC radio report coming from?
As of August last year Vicco hospitals were already training a "surge" workforce. We already have Ward nurses (not ICU nurses), trained to look after ventilated patients, while being overseen by senior clinicians if needed.
This "surge" workforce involve the Ward nurse managing basic care and the senior (ICU) nurse overseeing up to 3 Ward nurses with ventilated patients. Senior nurses would review ABG's, manage ventilators and provide ongoing support and training for the Ward nurse.
We already have extra ventilator and unit capacity ready to go.
If this has not been done in your State or at your local hospital, given that there has been nearly 2 years to prepare, then this is negligent bordering on criminal.
Roadkill wrote:truebluebasher wrote:Shock Headline ( UK Vaxed u50 have a higher death rate than Unvaxed 50+)
Over 50 (Unvaxed) 437 died /1,322 Patients ...or 33%
Under 50 (Vaxxed) 51 died /154 Patients ...or 33.1%
How the Hell are aging decrepit unvaxed bodies brushing off Covid better than vaxed Athletes.
Smelly unkempt unvaxed geriatrics donate death beds for Teen's Killer Vax Craze.For those brave enough to read the Paper.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital...This is about as confusing a post can get. Just a bunch of bs with very little info able to be read to mean anything…obviously quality over quantity is not something worth thinking about.
Yeah its confusing even the article is, and i suck at maths, but here is the figures, make of it what you will.
The article says
Over 50 Deaths 1,644
437 (27%) unvaxed
128 (8%) 1 dose
1,054 (64%) 2 doses
Under 50 154 deaths
99 (64%) unvaxed
14 (9%) one dose
37 (24%) both doses
Its not a great measure anyway, just using under and over 50 as a measure, those that survive over 50 unvaxed might be 51 and reasonably healthy, those that were under 50 and vaxed and died could be 49 and overweight for all we know, plus we don't know everyone's medical conditions. (Yeah its the same with all Covid figures, many old people who die from Covid are right on the edge and could die of anything any day, the flue a hot day, a mild fall etc)
Those who died over 50 fully vaxed might be 80 or 100, age is such a factor no matter if vaxed or un vaxed the older you are the higher risk the younger you are the lower the risk.
The science is pretty clear vaccinations reduce hospitalisation and deaths, there is no argument or conspiracy theory about this.
If you actually read the article you will get a very different picture, just the headline gives an indication
" Three quarters of under-50s in hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated, figures reveal"
Sorry delay cheers super for that edu link will read soon in and out ph reception. And rest of crew too tbb“punk vax”. Ha . Gold. Lots to catch up on post .
Israel - geepers its all starting to unravel !
Hey syppo, just want to point out that the majority of defence reservists in the medical field are medical professionals in their civilian day jobs too. There isn’t a large mythical ‘unused’ medical workforce that are sitting on their hands. There are some tasks that could be done by basic first aiders like administering vaccines, but there’s some legal issues associated with that too.
sypkan wrote:as i said, in emergency conditions, you do emergency things...
'wartime effort' ...blah blah blah...
the reality doesn't seem to match the rhetoric... not sure which one is hollow and miseading...
these people would be willing participants, and handsomely rewarded in my plan...
and, this is what services like the army are for... or were...
I honestly don't see an issue
You don’t see the issue…because you are a selfish entitled prick that wants others to do the heavy lifting so you don’t have to do anything outside your protected lifestyle.
why so nasty roadkill?
I got my vax
I wear my mask
why am I entitled for criticising our clueless governments, whose only planning for the last 18 months seems to be lock the door and hope it all goes away?
sypkan wrote:why so nasty roadkill?
I got my vax
I wear my mask
why am I entitled for criticising our clueless governments, whose only planning for the last 18 months seems to be lock the door and hope it all goes away?
You are entitled because you are volunteering others to put them at risk…
"...There are some tasks that could be done by basic first aiders like administering vaccines, but there’s some legal issues associated with that too."
and here lies our real problem...
we are so entrenched in a 2020's bureaucratic nightmare
we're not really in a 'war time effort', because if we were... all that shit would just slip away...
gawd help us if it comes to that, the dudes at desks would be flapping around in full blown melt down...
I didn't volunteer anyone, it's what armies do...
Supafreak wrote:JQ wrote:Anyone got any theories on why a wealthy individual or hedge fund investor group doesn't fund a submission to the TGA to approve ivermectin? If the evidence genuinely stacks up the way some of the proponents swear it does, there's billions to be made.
Yeah sure, the big pharma companies have the bucks to pay for the trials, but I assure you, the manufacturers of ivermectin aren't your family corner shop either, whats stopping these groups funding a submission to the TGA?
@JQ , its 10cents a tablet in India, not sure how they are going to make billions from it .
Might be 10 cents in India, but we live in Australia - where it's 20x more expensive than that isn't it. Interesting you think the price in India is particularly relevant.
Still plenty of money to be made.
https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effect...
Blue Diamond
"Stop calling most surfers and shapers absolute nutcases and we might have a starting point."
I didn't see you sticking up for Bob McTavish !
Great to see you now qualifying your original statement . You have changed it from 85% of Australians are racists to
" I have found unequivocally, through travelling Australia, especially the 'black parts' (which if you've never travelled over the ranges, you may not be aware even exist) that 85percent of White Australians...at a minimum harbour some form of racism. "
Then you have the arrogance to say it is a FACT !
Your posts are garbled due to your foot being in your mouth .
Looking forward to your next post that will be abusive and then the next when you suck up to someone .
JQ wrote:Supafreak wrote:JQ wrote:Anyone got any theories on why a wealthy individual or hedge fund investor group doesn't fund a submission to the TGA to approve ivermectin? If the evidence genuinely stacks up the way some of the proponents swear it does, there's billions to be made.
Yeah sure, the big pharma companies have the bucks to pay for the trials, but I assure you, the manufacturers of ivermectin aren't your family corner shop either, whats stopping these groups funding a submission to the TGA?
@JQ , its 10cents a tablet in India, not sure how they are going to make billions from it .
Might be 10 cents in India, but we live in Australia - where it's 20x more expensive than that isn't it. Interesting you think the price in India is particularly relevant.
Still plenty of money to be made.
https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effect...
@JQ have you noticed the price difference in paracetamol and ibuprofen ? Depending what brand and where it’s made there’s a big difference in Australia. Thanks for replying though and good article , makes you wonder where we might be today if Borody was taken more seriously and open debate . Was it a better to lock the elderly in their rooms and wait to see how sick they got ?
Here's the short of it...
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-three-quarters-of-under-50s-in-hospital...
Last week UK Hospitals Covid Ward Death rates...(All Patients)
No Vax Covid Ward Death Rate ...10.58% or 536 deaths / 5064 patients ( 89.42% efficacy)
1 x Vax Covid Ward Death Rate ...12.95% or 142 deaths / 1096 patients ( 87.05% efficacy)
2 x Vax Covid Ward Death Rate ...34.40% or 1091 deaths / 3172 patients ( 65.60% efficacy)
Note: Vax efficacy has been slipping further each week.(This is as good as it gets for Vax Stats!)
Natural efficacy of 89.42% is being Rolled over by Vax efficacy of 65.60% > More Deaths.
Since day 1 - Vax incubation increases infection rate immediately to 4 weeks (rises) then Drops.
As with incubation spike, tbb again has a duty to warn of bookend infection efficacy Health Crisis.
Can read the stats anyway you like or ignore them...but it can't change that Vax ramps Covid > Death.
tbb is as shocked as any & is ever researching for best Vax outcomes...swear on that...again today!
Sure! Can read a different Newspaper or keep lying or rubbing stuff out & censoring people!
Only know that No Parent would wish their child to be on the 2 dose vaccinated Ward
Be pumping that Vax out as fast as you could before flooding more experimental drugs in.
Doubt many Frontline Workers would queue for the Double Vaxed Ward to Morgue death Spiral.
UK JVCI likely factored in growing Vax danger & humanely advised against Child Vaccination.
tbb
you think it possibly has to do with the old and the vulnerable feeling the need to get vaxxed, so they end up in high death figures
whereas, those that feel fit and strong (and young) don't get vaxxed, get covid, but are less likely to die
it'd be most interesting to see a breakdown of the different vaccines in those figures
very interesting israel used only one vax for whole population, pfizer from memory, and now they are in such trouble
Blue Diamond
" I have found unequivocally, through travelling Australia, especially the 'black parts' (which if you've never travelled over the ranges, you may not be aware even exist) that 85percent of White Australians...at a minimum harbour some form of racism. "
I am wondering if you think this 85% rule also applies to Aboriginals , Italians , Asians , Indians , Christians , Muslims , Blacks , Maroi's , Polynesians and Africans ?
"Meanwhile, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is the head of the World Health Organization. Tedros is the first person in the 72-year history of the WHO who is NOT even a medical doctor . It was Schwab who supported him for that post, just as he recommended Legarde for the IMF and then for the European Central Bank. He has also put in the head of the IMF from his board of the WEF as well. Schwab also has the WHO in his back pocket. To put someone who is not a medical doctor at the head of the World Health Organization would be like putting Jeffrey Epstein as the head of a monastery. There have been long-standing concerns about Tedros as well as calls for his resignation which go unanswered."
Hey blowin.
1487 new cases today in NSW. Only 2 were acquired overseas.
Do you want to put up your hand and say "Yep, I was wrong when I said 15% of new cases were coming from OS"?
Come on champ. This is about accountability.
Vic Local wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Brutus - “ .its going to be an incredibly tough 2 mths coming up for everybody , as Delta spreads and infects us all by.....Xmas???”
That’s a bit alarmist don’t you think?
Sounds like a Herald Sun headline.
Everyone is doomed!And no I’m not down playing the seriousness of covid and the risk it provides to out hospital system, I just think phrases like that aren’t helpful.
goofyfoot. I will let you in on a little bit of pertinent information re seriousness of Delta. My wife is an allied health professional. Last year, when we were seeing hundreds of cases a day, she was still classified as an essential worker.
Three weeks ago, with only a dozen or so new cases a day, her medical association sent out a new set of protocols. No face-to-face treatments unless it will prevent an ER presentation. This will see patients struggling in pain, so it's not a decision taken lightly.
I reckon the medicos knew what was coming a month ago, and it's not pretty.
What I said was not doom, but reality......we are now in a Covid bubble with Vic/NSW. My son just drove to Byron on Thursday. Car loaded up with trailer , he had all the right paper work as he's gone to live there for work.
he went thru Albury /Wadonga....not one cop , no border checks for anyone leaving NSW/Vicco...totally open.....
Both States are now trying to control the numbers so our already rundown hospitals and health services have some chance of treating all people.
It looks like we have another 8 weeks to go before vaccination rates allow the States to possibly open......so it looks like there will be a Covid bubble of Vic/NSW and a Non-Covid bubble of Qld/SA/NT /WA and Tas....they need to get their shit together and get everyone as vaccinated ASAP, before we open domestic borders again....
We are going to continue to see more hospitalizations/infected people/deaths....as for the first time , lockdowns are only slowing the spread not stopping it!
A baby and a 9 yo old now on ventilators in NSW. Hmmmmm…must be fake news…only old people that were ganna die anyhow end up like this. I’m calling it now…fake news to scare us.
I am wondering why our health system is struggling to cope with covid ?
It must be very tough on health workers treating a disease that threatens their lives . Also the fact that we have been affected by covid for such a long time the stress must be unbearable .
With covid killing less people than car accidents , low flu numbers and the stopping of elective surgery due to lockdowns why is there a problem with beds ?
Is it related to lack of specialised staff that can treat covid sufferers ?
@roadkill , terrible news , here’s a post on Twitter from Professor Doherty , not about your news , but looking ahead.
#Insiders Problem for politicians re unvaccinated kids will be that, though they are much less likely than over 12s to develop severe disease or bad long COVID, they will be over-represented in serious outcomes the public hears about if 80-90% of the rest of us are vaccinated
— Prof. Peter Doherty (@ProfPCDoherty) September 4, 2021
Hutchy 19 wrote:I am wondering why our health system is struggling to cope with covid ?
It must be very tough on health workers treating a disease that threatens their lives . Also the fact that we have been affected by covid for such a long time the stress must be unbearable .
With covid killing less people than car accidents , low flu numbers and the stopping of elective surgery due to lockdowns why is there a problem with beds ?
Is it related to lack of specialised staff that can treat covid sufferers ?
@hutchy , doctors and nurses that test positive can’t go to work , I think you can work it out from there .
Hutchy 19 wrote:I am wondering why our health system is struggling to cope with covid ?
It must be very tough on health workers treating a disease that threatens their lives . Also the fact that we have been affected by covid for such a long time the stress must be unbearable .
With covid killing less people than car accidents , low flu numbers and the stopping of elective surgery due to lockdowns why is there a problem with beds ?
Is it related to lack of specialised staff that can treat covid sufferers ?
Virulency…staggering you couldn’t work that out for yourself.
Supafreak wrote:@roadkill , terrible news , here’s a post on Twitter from Professor Doherty , not about your news , but looking ahead. https://twitter.com/profpcdoherty/status/1434295517249302532?s=21
That's seems like kind of a weird thing to say, maybe im wrong, after all he is the expert and im just some random guy on the internet.
But, surely older people even if vaccinated will always be the highest group to get knocked off by Covid, as even if fully vaccinated they get weaker with age and become more vulnerable to anything including Covid..
On the flip side even without vaccination serious cases for those under 12 will remain very rare, and they will most likely gain a more natural immunity as they grown up.
BTW. I get what he is trying to say, but hmm can't see it unless the strains really adapt to affect kids.
@hutchy it’s not just those that can’t work if positive, as others in the field that have posted on here before have said, many nurses and doctors have been moved to vaccination centres . I have been to Tweed hospital 3 times in the last 2 months and they don’t take covid patients and are under the pump with lack of staff and full beds , my mother spent time in emergency for 2 nights as there were no beds on the ward . Speaking to nurses on duty and noticing how flat out they were , I enquired about staff shortages and was told some left NSW for Qld over better pay and conditions. October can’t come soon enough with the 350 overseas medical staff heading to Victoria and NSW.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?