Vaccinate or not

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Vic Local wrote:

A COVID-positive person is recovering at home after presenting to Westmead Hospital’s ED with vomiting and diarrhoea recently – not due to COVID but from an overdose of the drug ivermectin and other supposed COVID “cures” they ordered online.
Anti-science idiots are a danger to themselves and health workers.
Hey supafreak, maybe it’s time you stopped pushing your little ivermectin barrow.

Seems strange they went to the hospital…surely they should have got a Vet to treat them instead.

Strange that no one gives a rat’s arse that everyday about 15-20 percent of new cases in NSW are overseas arrivals. For a state under extreme lockdown we are still importing a shed load of infected people. I wonder what percentage of these people are clogging up our hospital system?

Ape Anonymous wrote:

Re: 'Top Secret' and 'scare mongering' queries, unfortunately its not that glamorous or fanciful. I work in Public Health, so when scientists provide information, we need to get their clearance/consent that it can be released to the Public.

I wouldn't be surprised if you did, but i honestly really hope you don't work for Public health, because the video you shared could discourage people from getting vaccinated and i clicked on the guys instagram page it was shared from and every post is going down some new age conspiracy type path about anything Covid related.

zenagain wrote:

Why would they be anti-science if they chose to take a drug that was clearly developed by science? Or that they chose to self administer due to a lack of support rather than a lack of knowledge? Or presenting with vomiting and diarrhoea as opposed to chest pains and breathing difficulties?

Covid positive and feeling queezy with a dose of the trots compared to being admitted to ICU and being intubated? Maybe there is something more to Ivermectin as a complimentary medicine than people in the know are letting on?

Fair point

"Strange that no one gives a rat’s arse that everyday about 15-20 percent of new cases in NSW are overseas arrivals."
No one gives a "rat's arse" blowin, because your statement simply isn't true. It's complete and utter bullshit.

"Melbourne lockdown to continue until vaccination targets reached as Victoria abandons COVID-zero goal"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/victoria-covid-cases-lockdown-mel...

Thank fuck for that, this outbreak getting out of control is almost a blessing, we have no choice but to join the rest of the world and start living with it.

Going to be interesting to see if NZ can get back to zero cases, they looked to be reducing cases then yesterday spiked too 75 new cases yesterday
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/new-zealand-records-boun...

Is it time to shut down the debate? Is it time to stop farming numbers and opinions to back our own opinions.

Regardless of individual beleifs, different State's situations and on and on. Isn't it time to just do whatever you can (within your personal beleif makeup) to forge ahead to a tomorrow where this shit is not a dominant negative every day.

Small business needs to regain footholds so they can grow and employ and inspire. Mid size business the same. Community organisations need to re-connect to support the venerable and the strong.

Isn't it time to just let differences go as long as we are heading for the same outcome.
Do it your way, I'll do it mine but we will do it together standing side by side.

@ Vic Local (and Guy if reading)

In reply to the same old same old comment made by VL in the Victoria forecast thread(didnt want to clog it up with non surf stuff)

What do you guys make of the comparisons between Aust & NZ, seeing you guys believe our government has failed because we never built quarantine facilities and couldn't secure vaccines as fast as countries overridden by Covid.

You guys are always praising Arden (especially Guy), so is she also a bad leader who has failed???

1. Both countries didnt see building quarantine facilities as a realistic answer
(NZ also found the option unfeasible)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446339/mbie-found-dedicated-miq-fac...

2. New Zealand just like Australia has had trouble securing vaccines, despite the fact their population is only 4.9 million (even lower when you dont include under 18's) their current vaccination rate is just below our's, expect at some stage they will overtake us though as just have far less people to vaccinate.

3. NZ has done very well with keeping Covid out, but are also seeing an outbreak that they might not be able to control. (probably best in the long run if they dont too)

We have both been in very similar situations through the whole deal and dealt with things very similar manner, yeah NZ has done better in keeping Covid out with a lower death rate, which makes sense having a population five times less than Australia.

Actually comparing deaths of NZ, 26 of a population of 4.9 million to all our other states other than Vic & NSW it's also very similar total of 36 deaths from a population of about 10 million or so.

Indo, I don't know why its a go-to tactic to attack the credibility of people rather than focusing on the merit of the information, but it's the same issue thinkers have been having from the beginning of documented time. Do you think perhaps its because its easier to defend one's perception of the world, than to question the limits of perception??

That.
But more pertinently there are so many intellectual hustlers, grifters and straight up bullshit artists now making a living from the internet.

info, not surfing this morning? In the absence of a greater understanding of NZ’s situation on my part your questions might be reasonable, who knows. But we both know what should have been done here in a practical and legal sense. For NZ’s part I do hope it gets it under control, I know you haven’t been there yet, I love the place, it’s truly beautiful and it’s people are so friendly. Have a good one.

jacinda is not a great leader she just knows how to play the media game better than her opposition, sound familiar?

info, not surfing this morning? In the absence of a greater understanding of NZ’s situation on my part your questions might be reasonable, who knows. But we both know what should have been done here in a practical and legal sense. For NZ’s part I do hope it gets it under control, I know you haven’t been there yet, I love the place, it’s truly beautiful and it’s people are so friendly. Have a good one.

India, Indonesia and southern Africa have seemingly knocked the Delta variant on the head, numbers way down across the board.
Maybe we should do what they’re doing?

FR - Spot on, the ability to monetise every edge and corner of the fringes on the internet just opened up a career for opportunists and outright lunatics.

I have said it before. At least the farking library has the decency to seperate fiction from non-fiction.

tylerdurden wrote:

India, Indonesia and southern Africa have seemingly knocked the Delta variant on the head, numbers way down across the board.
Maybe we should do what they’re doing?

You mean just wait it out as it’s invariably a 3-4 month event?

Vic Local is a Mousey little nothing in the flesh but wait until he hits the internet when he becomes a gun totin’, varmit cussing’ hard man….lololol

It wouldn’t be as bad if he wasn’t so strident in being stupid whilst desperately trying to sound heavy. Not hard to imagine Mrs Vic Local wearing the pants in the Local household.

Way quicker than 3-4 months Blowin, numbers in those countries dropped dramatically over about 6 weeks. Check out worldometers for yourself. Low vaccination rates in those countries too

tylerdurden wrote:

Way quicker than 3-4 months Blowin, numbers in those countries dropped dramatically over about 6 weeks. Check out worldometers for yourself. Low vaccination rates in those countries too

What’s the working theory behind this phenomenon?

Dunno Solitude.
Any suggestions VicLocal?

Natural immunity, potentially from T-Cell memory??

probably a mix of demographic, geographic/climatic and therapeutic.

vaccination may have played a role, low absolute % but still looking at 15-30% have had one shot.

that equals millions of people.

Hard to know Freeride. Those countries have way more crowded living conditions, reduced ability to self isolate and generally inferior health systems. The climate in southern Africa is pretty similar to Australia.
Additionally the number of cases are nowhere near enough for heard immunity, nor are the vaccination rates. And yet cases have plummeted.
Hopefully this country can investigate what the explanation for the phenomena is and we do the same here

Not sure people in Aus would accept the death rate from India or Indonesia, even if the epidemic did "burn out" quicker.
In fact, I'm quite sure they wouldn't.

So I'm not sure there are lessons to be learned.

Unless they can show that therapeutics they used really did bring it about.

How accurate are those country’s accounts of their numbers? Testing surely no where near as prevalent.

Imagine it has to be a mixture of natural immunity and vaccine factors?

The lesson to be learnt is how did the case numbers drop before heard immunity was reached, either via natural infections or vaccinations?
Self isolation en masse?
Maybe, although that doesn’t seem to be working here even though we have some of the strictest lock down conditions in the world and it is generally easier to self isolate than the developing countries.
And in all likelihood we will have the death rate of the other countries once our health system is fully saturated, hopefully that doesn’t occur

Supafreak wrote:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-ana...

Had a brief look, there is a lot of confounding data there.

Solitude, hard to get numbers of testing rates but I would presume that the number of tests occuring is dependent on the resources (ie how many testing kits etc are available), followed by those presenting for a test, which in turn is dependent on how many have symptoms.
Either way, positive cases and deaths are way down in those countries.
You may be able to get the “positive” results down by not testing but the deaths will go up if the cases are rising. That’s not happening, deaths are down too

Supafreak wrote:

Horse paste ?

Why not ask Mr Ed?

https://m.

Blowin wrote:

Vic Local is a Mousey little nothing in the flesh but wait until he hits the internet when he becomes a gun totin’, varmit cussing’ hard man….lololol

It wouldn’t be as bad if he wasn’t so strident in being stupid whilst desperately trying to sound heavy. Not hard to imagine Mrs Vic Local wearing the pants in the Local household.

Coming from the worst internet keyboard warrior in here…that’s pretty funny.
Everyone remembers your previous comments which proved the character you posses.

Some reports from England are saying that due to vaccines only blunting severe illness and infection rates from covid , all British can expect to be infected .
Therefore mass testing and contact tracing is pointless.
Only hospitalisations and deaths should be tracked.
If these recomendations are followed it will be a major turn over there.
There is evidence that having covid and 2 doses of vaccine produces the highest immunity we can get so far.
So maybe that’s our option.
Get vaccinated and then get the wog.
Good luck all.

I would say every govt is bound by written “agreement” with the pharmaceutical companies they signed with as to what they can and cannot disclose. Most agreements have a start and end date too..

eat-your-vegies wrote:

Some reports from England are saying that due to vaccines only blunting severe illness and infection rates from covid , all British can expect to be infected .
Therefore mass testing and contact tracing is pointless.
Only hospitalisations and deaths should be tracked.
If these recomendations are followed it will be a major turn over there.
There is evidence that having covid and 2 doses of vaccine produces the highest immunity we can get so far.
So maybe that’s our option.
Get vaccinated and then get the wog.
Good luck all.

Every person on the planet (except maybe the Sentinelese) will eventually be exposed to covid at some point in their lives. It will be impossible to avoid.

"zenagain wrote:

Why would they be anti-science if they chose to take a drug that was clearly developed by science? Or that they chose to self administer due to a lack of support rather than a lack of knowledge? Or presenting with vomiting and diarrhoea as opposed to chest pains and breathing difficulties?

Covid positive and feeling queezy with a dose of the trots compared to being admitted to ICU and being intubated? Maybe there is something more to Ivermectin as a complimentary medicine than people in the know are letting on?"

yeh, seems they did alright...

considering right wing nutter types are doing what they've always done... the bidding for big pharma by way ofshutting down any conversation at all...

imagine if a real conversation was allowed, these people might actually be able to access appropriate medicine and doseage of a proven ridiculously safe drug without taking such chances...

"What do you guys make of the comparisons between Aust & NZ, seeing you guys believe our government has failed because we never built quarantine facilities and couldn't secure vaccines as fast as countries overridden by Covid."

is a damn good question... that it seems, you could ask to half of australia and not just our resident partisans...

you could certainly ask it to the guadianistas... geez the comments over there are tedious, and these people actually think the guardian is an objective source of information....

"Natural immunity, potentially from T-Cell memory??"

almost certainly, and possibly a minor I effect...

"Hard to know Freeride. Those countries have way more crowded living conditions, reduced ability to self isolate and generally inferior health systems."

not to mention a culture that doesn't go to the doc or hospital unless they are virtually dying... and this culture has been exaccerbated by corona, and fear of all sorts of things... some justified...

".. The climate in southern Africa is pretty similar to Australia.
Additionally the number of cases are nowhere near enough for heard immunity, nor are the vaccination rates. And yet cases have plummeted."

the cases are throughthe roof, just not detected, ...indo 270 million people, loads od cases.... yet NSW alone does waaaaaay more daily tests for around 1000 cases....

bali would've been thick with virus a couple of weeks ago, many sick people, including bule, who don't show in the numbers even when they do do get tested....

'....Hopefully this country can investigate what the explanation for the phenomena is and we do the same here'

hopefully... but unlikely...

“the cases are throughthe roof, just not detected, ...indo 270 million people, loads od cases.... yet NSW alone does waaaaaay more daily tests for around 1000 cases....”

If the cases were through the roof yet not detected then the number of deaths would be still be going up.
That’s not happening, the number of deaths is dropping in parallel with the case numbers which would strongly suggest that the number of positive test results accurately reflects the actual number of cases

"Not sure people in Aus would accept the death rate from India or Indonesia, even if the epidemic did "burn out" quicker.
In fact, I'm quite sure they wouldn't."

wouldn't need to accept that...

we have a much better medical system, that the public actually use... probably too readily, as opposed to avoiding it...

half the deaths in indo would be attributed to diabetes, heart condition, hypertension comorbidities...

australia is certainly not immune to these conditions, but indo would be off the charts re. diabetes, ...especially if people actually knew they had it... (see above)

same india

"If the cases were through the roof yet not detected then the number of deaths would be still be going up.
That’s not happening, the number of deaths is dropping in parallel with the case numbers which would strongly suggest that the number of positive test results accurately reflects the actual number of cases"

yeh... reasonably accurately...

I mean as a percentage, the case numbers give some indication what's happening, but they would probably reflect about only 10% of actual cases at absolute best

I know a heap of crew that have been sick, none of them tested... the only cases counted are pretty much when someone ends up in hospital, some pretty rudimentary super low numbers random testing, some contact tracing that is woefully unadequate (ie immediate fanily and workmates, if that...), and private testing that very few people do, mainly to travel (and very few numbers from that actually make it to national totals it seems... mysteriously...)

it's all quite well documented on the bali covid fb page, and in amongst 18 months of comments... that that treasure administrator chick, jackie, controls ruthlessly..

"it's all quite well documented on the bali covid fb page, and in amongst 18 months of comments, that that treasure jackie chick controls ruthlessly.."

in fact, her little facebook page, is a treasure trove of data and anecdotes... that probably would make a better, more accurate study than any indo official could possibly put together...

That’s true spykan, all over the world.
Almost certainly there are many more cases than positive test results, although in Australia the positives and the actual cases would be nearly identical given our mass testing regime.

But the death rate reflects the number of actual cases, not just those who have tested positive. If the death rate from Covid is going down then, all other things being equal, the case numbers must be going down.

When positive test results and death rate fall in parallel then it’s a reasonable assumption the actual case numbers are declining in parallel as well.
This is what we have seen in India, Indonesia and southern Africa

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/p8ov38/acceptable_reasons_f...
Interesting article. I haven't delved too deep into the links to cross check or to even look too far into the source cos i'm on my phone but will have a proper look later.
Trolls like Roadkill will write this off as antivax conspiracy theorist rhetoric, but i have a funny feeling he can't actually read or write more than one sentence.
Anyone with the time and an open mind who wants to delve deeper into those links go for it. One line stood out for me....something i was actually thinking about the other day.
"It is extremely risky to innoculate the entire population if we don't know what the long term effects may be. It is especially risky to vax our critical workers with an experimental drug about which we know nothing in the long term. If it turns out that within 2 years of taking it, the vaccine causes the debilitation of a large portion of the people who took it and we had forced all our healthcare professionals to take it, then our countries will lose a large portion of their healthcare professionals. This would devastate our society's ability to treat the sick and cause massive death and suffering. "
Lets not forget, no matter how you slice and dice it and what social context you look at it through, this is a medical trial. By pure definition, it's a trial.

The Kissing Bug ( Chagas Disease )
swellnet exclusive Timeline role - Covid Vaccines

Important! It's a timeline ...not a conspiracy...crew can add more or delete whatever!

Chagas Disease Infects 6-8m / year > 10,000 deaths / yr > (US 300,000/yr)
Causative Agent : Trypanosoma cruzi protozoan
Composed of > Carbon, Oxygen chromium, sulphur, aluminium, chloride and nitrogen.
Symptoms : Myocarditis / Swollen Lymphs / Dizzy / Aches / Weakness / Numbness / Tingling / Rash / ill.

Crew will discover how this seemingly irrelevant Kissing Bug timeline plays a leading role in vax.
To what extent will soon play out...

17th Nov - 2009 Pfizer (South Korea Pasteur) to Test 150,000 compounds against trypanosoma cruzi
Gates bought these Plants for similar reason...just saying...Not the focus of tbb's Kissing Bug research!
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer_an...

12th Aug 2020 Selva (Chagas) Anti Viral SLV213 > to fight Covid
Inhibits small molecule cysteine proteases called cathepsins (Cleaves for Spike protein)
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/selva-covid19/

2nd April 2021- Trypanosoma cruzi produces an enzyme called (Cruzain) that helps them replicate.
In turn evades the Human immune system.
Cruzain inhibitor K777 mimics Human's cathepsin L ( Our Covid Spike dock )
Meaning K777 should act as a harmless Covid Blocker...
https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-04-02-experimental-ther...

27th April 2021 - Pfizer mRNA Vax- Myocarditis Kills 2 affects 62 people in Israel + 14 in US Army.
Report : "Myocarditis is generally rare...eg: Parasites - trypanosoma cruzi"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/04/27/are-rare-cases-of-myoca...
Note: This is ongoing...

Medscape ...Countless Vax Long Haulerz of 6 months or more describe similar parasitic disease effects.
https://www.medscape.com/sites/public/covid-19/vaccine-insights/how-conc...

21 June 2021 Covid Vax Long Haulerz site is actually called... ( Tingling / Numbness in the Body )
Strange as this strange Numbness & Tingling shares a strange symptom of The Kissing Bug.
https://vestibular.org/forum/symptoms/tingling-numbness-in-body/
Endless pages of Vaxed sufferers describing Kissing Bug Tingling feeling all over.

9th July 2021 - FDA / South Korea Pasteur stumble upon repurposed therapies to screen & treat Covid.
Pfizer's tingly plant was infected with Kissing Bugz & Buzzer Midge...now infected with Covid Cures?
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/kaist-repurposed-drugs-co...

20th August 2021- Electron Microscopy Xray reveals ingredients in Covid Vaccines.
Figure 13 : A 50 micron length of what 'appears' to be anatomically identified as Trypanosoma cruzi.
https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/transmission-electron-microscopy-reve...
31st Aug 2021 - Figure 13 : Video Version of Trypanosoma cruzi
[9:00] https://www.bitchute.com/video/G2Illnb1qmbD/

Note: No shock sensational claims! Merely just exampling & asking why the hell a parasite is in the Vax?

Recap : Most Big Pharma were sampling 100,000's of TC immediately prior to Covid Vax.
Should come as no surprise if the same traces were revived in Pandemic Labs / Plants.

US dumped 15m doses of several lots of Mouldy Yucky Covid Vax
Japan Dumped 1.6m Covid Vax with Stainless Steel & Rubber chunks

re: Buzzer Midge in a South Korean 2020 Flu Vaccine...1,200 reactions 431 Severe > 108 dead
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20201020001038
27 April tbb exclusive : https://www.swellnet.com/comment/729869

Clear to all that over the course of a year 10's millions of Parasites / Metal / Mould in Covid / Flu vax!
Least surprising is the most popular studied disease is found widely in next in line popular Vax.

What is presented is as plain as night meets day.
Crew can decide what impact the timeline has on World Vax Rollout & Long Haul Vax sufferers
There is no conclusion as this is yet to play out...in fact the crew never even read about it!