2022 Election
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:
Ha ha im flattered you spent the time to make a meme for me :D
Don't be. It took me about as long as it probably takes you to find the apostrophe button on your keyboard. Well, probably not that long.
No need to be shy, it's the thought that counts.
BTW I always vote Labor. It seems to me to me the best way to keep those LNP fucktards out.
Funnily enough I've mostly lived in blue ribbon seats.
Now my local state member is Labor for the first time ever.
Reminds me that Clive and Albo have something in common, …they both have a big room full of rubbery old faded dinosaurs.
mattlock wrote:BTW I always vote Labor. It seems to me to me the best way to keep those LNP fucktards out.
Funnily enough I've mostly lived in blue ribbon seats.
Now my local state member is Labor for the first time ever.
You sound like a very bad decision maker with no thought for the future.
Can you please post a pic of your neck tattoo?
As they said in the tall ships naval days Indo.
"One must choose the lesser of two weevils"
I don't have any tatoos, just a better moral compass than you.
I bet you have your kids names tatooed on you, possibly spelt incorrectly.
Scared that wages are going to rise. Really!
mattlock wrote:Scared that wages are going to rise. Really!
It's called wage push inflation https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wage-push-inflation.asp#:~:text=Why....
And you can bet Labor and pressure from Unions will pushes wages up to high too fast including the minimum wage that is already the highest in the world.(almost $1 USD higher than the next country Luxembourg)
This will put more pressure on RBA to lift interest rates, and as we know many people have over borrowed, the housing market will crash but it wont be any easier to buy in because you wont be able to borrow as much.
More low skilled jobs will go offshore as companies find it harder to compete but then at some stage, companies are going to start figuring out that if their employees can work from home they can work from anywhere in the world, there are plenty of smart educated people in Asia willing to do these jobs the middle class and education levels in Asia are growing at a crazy pace and even a good white collar wage is still cheap in Asia compared to here.
It's going to be like the early 90s without good music.
mattlock wrote:BTW I always vote Labor. It seems to me to me the best way to keep those LNP fucktards out.
Funnily enough I've mostly lived in blue ribbon seats.
Now my local state member is Labor for the first time ever.
It’s beyond me why someone would vote for 1 party always. Kind of lazy and indoctrinated and dumb.
Not really Rd. The fringe partys are never going to have any real power.
The lesser of two evils as I said.
Tis the political landscape we live in.
And fuck those Liberal fucktards
Despite the looney left's rantings, it's indisputable that Australia is in a fantastic economic and environmental condition compared to the rest of the world. In any sane person's mind there can only be one rational choice - vote 1 LNP.
All good Indo.
Tell that to the working single mums who have to choose between paying the rent and putting shoes on their kiddies.
If YOU've borrowed to much and can't deal with a little interest rate rise then you are just going to have to suck it up.
Do people really need a McMansion and the latest Euro 4x4.
info-nomics bahahaha bahahaha bahahahahahaha haha
mattlock wrote:All good Indo.
Tell that to the working single mums who have to choose between paying the rent and putting shoes on their kiddies.
If YOU've borrowed to much and can't deal with a little interest rate rise then you are just going to have to suck it up.
Do people really need a McMansion and the latest Euro 4x4.
That single mum wont be better off though, rents and cost of living will go up just as much as her income does, everyone just wants to hear wages are rising thinking they are going to have more buying power without considering the inflation effect that happens if wages rise to fast.
From a paying off my house perspective im no worried, my house is worth about 5 times what i paid and my repayments way less than what id be paying in rent if had to rent (although we pay much more than we need too) but like what happened in the 90s the building industry is where it will hurt and im a tradie, so yeah that worries me.
Thats the irony of Labor they aren't the blue collar workers party anymore or dont care about people in regional areas, they are an inner city white collar party, the only people that should be voting for them are inner city woke types, which i wouldn't expect many surfers are.
The problem is people see Labor and LNP as what they once were in the 70-80s not what they are now which both are totally different beast.
You can buy shoes for bugger-all at op shops or Big W so easy choice.
Cockee wrote:You can buy shoes for bugger-all at op shops or Big W so easy choice.
Yeah true, you can also live in a car if you have to. Neither option is particularly comfortable or life affirming.
I hear what you are saying Indo but the fact of the matter is that cost of living is increasing regardless of wages.
The LNP are definitly not the party for "blue collar" workers and most tradies such as you cannot be classed as "blue collar" workers these days anyway.
Well Cockee you can come and tell my 8yr old girl about the shoes.
We'll see how that goes.
The whole “the LNP are better economic managers” line is pure bullshit. Just a marketing line that sits well with those for whom self interest is the over riding motivation in their lives. The I’m alright Jack, screw everyone else” brigade. It conveniently ignores the “little” things like global conditions, economic trends when coming to power etc.
Just a few easily digestible reads:
https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/DP79_8.pdf
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australias-most-wasteful-spendin...
https://theconversation.com/trick-question-whos-the-better-economic-mana...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-add...
indo-dreaming wrote:mattlock wrote:Scared that wages are going to rise. Really!
It's called wage push inflation https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wage-push-inflation.asp#:~:text=Why....
And you can bet Labor and pressure from Unions will pushes wages up to high too fast including the minimum wage that is already the highest in the world.(almost $1 USD higher than the next country Luxembourg)
This will put more pressure on RBA to lift interest rates, and as we know many people have over borrowed, the housing market will crash but it wont be any easier to buy in because you wont be able to borrow as much.
More low skilled jobs will go offshore as companies find it harder to compete but then at some stage, companies are going to start figuring out that if their employees can work from home they can work from anywhere in the world, there are plenty of smart educated people in Asia willing to do these jobs the middle class and education levels in Asia are growing at a crazy pace and even a good white collar wage is still cheap in Asia compared to here.
It's going to be like the early 90s without good music.
Jeez I'm a gumby on the laptop.
Anyway Indo you seem to be stuck in th 90's in more ways than one.
Sure there was some good music then but there is plenty of good stuff around these days if you would open you ears [and mind].
That stuff you just posted on the tunes thread was horrid. I'd have to be pretty much comatosed on rum and jazz cigarettes to even mildly appreciate listening to that. But it's not going to happen[the listening bit].
You're a gumby full stop matty. Your 8 yo daughter needs me to tell her about the shoes at Big W?
https://www.bigw.com.au/product/k-d-kids-slip-on-ballet-flats-white-size...
Bugger off Cockee you twat.
So my wife keeps telling me. I usually go to Target for the cheap threads.
She got sparkly Converse for her recent birthday. Do they sell those at big dub?
Speaking of shoes. I havn't bought any for myself since I had kids, except for work ones, cost of living and all. My wife tho!
At least the price of jazz cigarettes hasn't gone up in SA for twenty years.
mattlock wrote:At least the price of jazz cigarettes hasn't gone up in SA for twenty years.
As the fabulous furry freak brothers used to say - "cannabis will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no cannabis".
It's a global currency.
(Although try telling target or big dub that)
Well Indo I just read a positive article on a Labor economic policy regarding regional Oz on the ABC.
To much of a gumby to link it though.
Sorry everyone for posting so much but I've run out of book at the mo.
Fancy reading a positive economic article about Labor on the ABC….gee whiz eh.
I saw those shoes too cockee ….you can get afterpay as well $2 per payment.
Don't know what everyone is arguing about. All the parties and am the politicians are fucking useless, and as they both keep moving towards the centre where am three votes are, there is little to discern between them.
Optimist wrote:Fancy reading a positive economic article about Labor on the ABC….gee whiz eh.
I saw those shoes too cockee ….you can get afterpay as well $2 per payment.
Fancy our resident evangelist mocking the poor ... and jebus wept
Twista…..!!!….like a Zinga…!!!
GS has no problem mocking, abusing and bullying anyone who votes other than ALP / is a Christian (incl both rich and poor) but because opti's a conservative Christian a slight inference that afterpay is mocking the poor is cause to have another crack at him. You have a heart of gold Guy.
GuySmiley wrote:I've noticed @info and now @optimist accuse me of trolling them whenever I highlight the gross inconsistency, hypocrisy and/or stupidity of their argument. Sadly, my work is never done!!
There you go cockee
Proverbs 17:5
He who mocks the poor insults their Maker; whoever gloats over calamity will not go unpunished.
san Guine wrote:Proverbs 17:5
He who mocks the poor insults their Maker; whoever gloats over calamity will not go unpunished.
Hilarious…and hypocrisy…considering how religion and religious folk condemn certain groups for their life choices…..since forever.
This stuff really pisses me off.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/voters-have-shown-they-don-t-want-pa...
blackers wrote:The whole “the LNP are better economic managers” line is pure bullshit. Just a marketing line that sits well with those for whom self interest is the over riding motivation in their lives. The I’m alright Jack, screw everyone else” brigade. It conveniently ignores the “little” things like global conditions, economic trends when coming to power etc.
Just a few easily digestible reads:
https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/DP79_8.pdf
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australias-most-wasteful-spendin...
https://theconversation.com/trick-question-whos-the-better-economic-mana...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-add...
Labor have been in power less than 6 years out of the last 25, its really not a long enough period to make a judgement on things in regard to recent history and before that in the early 90s they saw us in the worst recession with interest rates over 17% and unemployment over 10%
On the flipside the last 27+ years has been one of the most prosperous in Australia's history and the majority of this time has been under LNP and as we know economically LNP have got us through Covid pretty good.
Reality is LNP have proven in recent history they can manage the ecomony for extended periods, while Labor have not, LNP are almost a sure thing to keep the ecomony healthy if voted back in, while Labor come with a much more unknown ecomimical risk.
Thats reality, i don't give a shit how any leftist journalist or some so called expert in economics who predication rate on things is wrong just as much as they are correct says.
Bullshit alert.
Cockee wrote:Despite the looney left's rantings, it's indisputable that Australia is in a fantastic economic and environmental condition compared to the rest of the world. In any sane person's mind there can only be one rational choice - vote 1 LNP.
Indo, you can't compare something that exists (27 yrs of LNP in government) with something that never existed (27 years of Labor in government) and say the first proves the second is inferior. It is not logical.
Your last sentence needs more work also, it too makes no sense. This post is a repeat of the weak argument you raised yesterday.
In all, a poor effort. 2/10
adam12 wrote:Indo, you can't compare something that exists (27 yrs of LNP in government) with something that never existed (27 years of Labor in government) and say the first proves the second is inferior. It is not logical.
Your last sentence needs more work also, it too makes no sense. This post is a repeat of the weak argument you raised yesterday.
In all, a poor effort. 2/10
You seem to be actually agreeing with me.
Basically LNP have proven to be very good managers of the economy over the last 25 years.
While Labor are much more of an unknown.
But hey let's flip a coin on the unknown instead of betting on a sure thing.
Only guarantee with Labor is a whole heap of woke BS.
mattlock wrote:I hear what you are saying Indo but the fact of the matter is that cost of living is increasing regardless of wages.
The LNP are definitly not the party for "blue collar" workers and most tradies such as you cannot be classed as "blue collar" workers these days anyway.
Blue collar workers are manual workers who do physical work skilled or unskilled, constuction/building industry, mining, agriculture, manufacturing.
Do you honestly believe Labor support these industries these days?
They dont because most are well paying jobs, the low paying jobs went offshore long ago.
Reality is LNP are much much more likely to support these industries these days, great recent example is when Covid hit one of the first things LNP did was put through the renovation scheme that in part (and other factors) fueled a building boom.
Would labor have done the same? Or would their focus been on areas like hospitality, university's etc?
@indo , would you like to please explain the renovation scheme ? How much the government was giving to home owners if they spent how much money ?
Supafreak wrote:@indo , would you like to please explain the renovation scheme ? How much the government was giving to home owners if they spent how much money ?
$25K for renovations or new builds, you had to spend $150K which these days is easily spent on a decent renovation and would be pretty hard to build a new home for less than that unless you are an owner builder.
Here is article from that time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-03/government-coronavirus-constructi...
The point is this was one of the first things LNP did after Covid hit because they have the backs of blue collar workers and people in regional areas more so than Labor does these days.
Labor and liberals should just do us all a favour and swap names, neither name represents the current party anymore.
"How much the government was giving to home owners if they spent how much money ?"
yes, well that certainly could have been more targeted lets say...
or even better... distributed to people who actually needed it...
Whoever wins govt. needs to look at youth. 10% now of young people 15 to 29 years of age are not in any kind of work or training. That can’t go well for you down the track and needs to be dealt with. The opportunities are there , even with the temp jobs you can make some good coin and you always pick up skills even from jobs you aren’t that keen on and you get a reference as well to go higher. Farmers begging for workers and cafes etc etc for staff and when I venture to my local point break the same young crew there daily riding sub standard waves instead of going the early session and working for a living. The libs have generated lots of jobs even during and after a pandemic which is good with unemployment figures heading south. Even on Centrelink we are some of the worlds wealthiest people and many of you have seen real poverty in your travels as have I. We need a real vision for our country and decide what kind of place do we want to live in. Sucking up to China will get us nowhere because if you have worked in China like me you’ll realise that strength and honourable trading gets respect not grovelling. Taking bribes like the Biden’s and some Australian politicians would only make you a dog in their sight.
Anyway, even though we whine about out pollies, generally most of them actually care about their country so it’s really just about choosing the teams that you think will take us forward. Even though people like me think things are getting woke and weird the majority will decide the future and that’s a good thing because it’s the freedom to choose which we all should appreciate so much and protect.
So if you had a lazy $150,000 sitting around for a renovation then you got $25,000 from the government but if you wanted and needed a new kitchen or bathroom ? So all up $175 ,000 ? seems like a pretty big renovation to the average punter , looks like the wealthy were the ones to benefit from this scheme.
Supa, you’ll find that building thing probably didn’t cost the govt anything. 15k would have been GST on a 150 k build and the other 10 k taxes collected from wages sundries etc. on a project that size. So really it was a clever way to get wealthier people to spend money and create jobs while the Gov just missed out on the various tax as the only real cost to them.
Supafreak wrote:So if you had a lazy $150,000 sitting around for a renovation then you got $25,000 from the government but if you wanted and needed a new kitchen or bathroom ? So all up $175 ,000 ? seems like a pretty big renovation to the average punter , looks like the wealthy were the ones to benefit from this scheme.
Depends what you call wealthy from article
"means-tested to exclude couples making more than $200,000 per year and individuals making more than $125,000 per year, while limits will also be placed on the value of the property the grants go towards.
New builds will be capped at $750,000, while renovations can cost anywhere between $150,000 and $750,000, but will only be subsidised if the house being altered is valued at less than $1.5 million."
Basically people that were considering building or doing major renovations would have gone okay lets not put this off lets do this now, which then created a lot more work ensuring the building industry didn't collapse,
Remembering renovation wise, most people have a lot of equity in their home and ability to refinance.
A renovation of that amount of money is going to employee all kinds of tradies and go on for months same deal with building a new home and it extends out to things like fencers, landscapers, concreter's for drives & paths etc and also to framing & truss industry & timber mills and suppliers and drafts people, even those who manage and process building permits etc
While a smaller renovations might have flooded the market with a larger number of small projects that covered less trades (more cosmetic less structural) and were completed quicker.
indo-dreaming wrote:mattlock wrote:I hear what you are saying Indo but the fact of the matter is that cost of living is increasing regardless of wages.
The LNP are definitly not the party for "blue collar" workers and most tradies such as you cannot be classed as "blue collar" workers these days anyway.Blue collar workers are manual workers who do physical work skilled or unskilled, constuction/building industry, mining, agriculture, manufacturing.
Do you honestly believe Labor support these industries these days?
They dont because most are well paying jobs, the low paying jobs went offshore long ago.
Reality is LNP are much much more likely to support these industries these days, great recent example is when Covid hit one of the first things LNP did was put through the renovation scheme that in part (and other factors) fueled a building boom.
Would labor have done the same? Or would their focus been on areas like hospitality, university's etc?
A lot of holes there Indo, complete rusted on view with blinkers eh.
GFC, Labor (Ken Henry) threw a heap of money at construction along with retail that's where this lot of mugs got the idea from (treasury).
We know what the Liberals think of low paid workers when they removed penalty rates remember how that was going to translate into more jobs...BS.
How do you manage the economy better when you throw $40 bil to profitable companies most of which went to overseas interests?
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