2022 Election
sypkan wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Let’s cut to the chase, the current debate is all about the LNP appeasing religious conservatives following the SSM legislation vote. The reasons why we need this new legislation eg trans toilets are confected. It’s all part of the hard rights ideological cultural wars and their perennial need for an external enemy. If the Christian god preached love why the hate here? Kids don’t choose to be gay or trans and they deserve just as much care and love as anyone else.
well thats your perspective guysmiley... from a forever very biased viewpoint...
this is the bullshit of the ssm debate... it was advocated on the premise that nothing would change... there'snothing to worry about...
well that's true... for the vast vast majority of people...
but it is not true for a heap of situations, and developing legislation to deal with those situations
to argue otherwise, it's just plain naive, or yet more hyper partisan bullshit...
dude, the left picked this culture war... if you are too lazy or self righteous to see the nutting out of legislation to deal with your wish list, then your just beimg exactly what optimist accuses you of
...dictatorial... be it communist or not...
Don't see it as a leftist view as what you term it, just people deciding to stand against creating further possible inequality for a minority. The whole wokeness argument doesn't float with me either. If you are confident in your own faith why do you need protection laws? I don't get protection for my views or comments, actions and i'd hope people call me out when i am wrong. Suicide rates are alarmingly rising in young people due to an number of issues. I would rather see more effort in regards to policy in prevention of this and the future possibility of encouraging hate crimes. Anyone from Bondi want to get throw off a cliff or beaten to death because you were somehow perceived as a threat to the moral ideas of a disturbed few?
totally support this point gsco
I support anything that seeks to further reinforce human rights, dignity and freedom, etc, as the bill mentions in terms things like non-discrimination, equal rights in law, acceptance of different beliefs, freedom of expression, indivisibility and universality of human rights.
But Part 2 of the act then seems to go and encode in law grounds for religious bodies and organisations to be able to discriminate against the general non-religious public, and against other religions. It does this by trying to outline conditions upon which certain actions or behaviours are deemed as not discrimination. It also seems to (intentionally) leave these conditions and grounds quite vague and open to significant interpretation, so that they can be interpreted and applied by the courts in a wider manner and range of scenarios than people may currently expect or desire.
I also don't think their ideas represent all the constitutes that have voted for them on this subject .Sykpan my thoughts are not an attack on you either This bill will bring us closer to representing what some of America stand for. I don't want to see Australia as divided and as limited politically as they have become.
Sorry Alfred but you are wrong. John Howard is/was a true gentleman and very astute observer of Australian life. He was also very compassionate although not giving carte blanche to the economic refugees who wanted to get a free ride on our welfare system meant he was pilloried by the left (naturally). He led us through tough economic times and was rewarded with 4 terms in office. PS Mammal extinction is, even by your low standards, a pretty long bow to draw.
Hahaha!
sypkan wrote:yep
can I get an amen to that?
probably not...
No and why should you? If your faith doesn't look out for me or any other supposedly full of sin and damned to hell. Blessed are the sick
well its not really wholely a leftist view, it's just guysmiley who is seeing it all through hyper partisan eyes... he's not alone...
I'd say there are actually probably more openly gay people in the liberals than labor... which is most interesting to say the least... especially considering some of the commentary on here...
there's also people in / of labor who think there is a need for legislation...
it's just the woke mob that get all righteous and dictatorial, all bent out of place, because people don't see the world exactly the same as them....
well sorry wokesters, as we have seen time and time again... what you may try to portray as the sensible centre, is actually your wayward winged out fairy garden....
most people don't want discrimination of any kind, and probably have a hell of a lot of sympathy for kids struggling with such issues... but that doesn't mean they support law enforced pronouns, 'chestfeeding' and other such nonsense... and children taking gender altering medicines and ptocedures before they even know who they are...
australia is a pretty extreme a-religious place, i think you can only really appreciate how much this is so by spending serious time immersed in other cultures...
crew getting all rabid about religion doesn't really help their cause... this is especially the case with an ever increasing migrant population, and a bit of a turn domrstically towards family values and new age christianity...
religion isn't going anywhere people.... and personally, ...ironically... i find the rabid anti christian sentiment often displayed by your guys and blindboys a bit dated...
not to mention hyper-hypocritical when they turn a conveniant blind eye to anything at all to do with muslm and indiscretion...
I'm not religious, but I respect people's right to believe whatever they want, the funny thing is, the wokesters believe -and are righteous and dogmatic about - being a-religious, with exactly the same fervour as the religious
grow up dudes... it might be disappointing to the extreme that many seem to have turned back to religion in these uncertain times... but it is what it is...
getting your knickers in a knot doesn't change anything.... most certainly not people's minds...
Sypkan "seems you guys are unhappy with democratic process..."
Yeah, when it is undermined and corrupted by incompetent, far right ideology that uses the 'democratic process' to implement discriminatory cruel outcomes that pick out a vulnerable group to demonise to capture the religious bigot vote, yeah I'm unhappy with the 'democratic process'.
And if you think Australia is a democracy with a "democratic process" you haven't been paying attention.
Righteous is a cop out. Your breeding hate and not looking at the realistic outcomes of poor policy. Quite happy to be crucified for my views calling out basic fundamental discrimination. Call it woke or whatever, . Put your real name up if you got any substance. Or are you afraid of truely owning your views under the pretence of anonymity? Pentagrams for everyone.
sypkan wrote:Vic Local wrote:Wow ID, I mean wow.
Show us exactly where and when religious schools have, or been pressured to have. trans people in school sport or toilet issues.
What's with the hard right making up problems where the only way to "solve" them is to punch down on vulnerable people.
Let's be honest here ID, this ramping up of the culture wars is a campaign play. Nothing more nothing less.
Christ, being a binary teenager is hard enough. WhyTF should any government legislate so organisations can legally discriminate against teenagers based on their sexuality because it's part of their faith.
Sorry ID, but if a person's religion requires them to marginalise really vulnerable people, they've kinda lost the original message of their god / prophet.
Meanwhile real problems like RAT procurement and rampant corruption go unsolved by this pack of LNP scumbags because they are hell bent on traumatising vulnerable teens to win the god-botherers vote.what a ridiculous post full of diversion and denial
everybody knows which way this debate is heading, there's already trans athletes at the olympics level, making an absolute mockery of any concept of fair play
there's already trans athletes in US school sports
there's already huge debate about bathrooms, with a hell of a lot of feminists concerned about sharing bathrooms with dicks
to say indo and the right are making issues up as some culture war diversion from real problems is just pure simple gaslighting from the fake left
is that all you guys do now?
lie, cheat, and present some warped view of reality so you can shoehorn some radical agenda that appeases a noisy minority through the back door
you are pathetic mate, so bloody predictable on every topic, with your nauseating fake reality language and diversions...
just full of absolute bullshit basically
games up gaslight man, you cannot deflect and divert from the bleeding obvious like you once could, deal with it
people care about this stuff because it matters, not because it is some fake bullshit boogeymen from the right
there's lots of fake, and lots of bullshit, but it ain't where you place it
Yep what Sypkan said, i dont care much for the religious bill but these are real issues that are already happening in other areas of the world not just made up issues.
It's not a hard right issue, its more a religious conservatives issue Christian and Muslim religious conservatives.
BTW. Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure this was an issue LNP promised to deal with last election, hence why its an issue now before the election.
I'm not fully across this discussion as I don't have enough time to study all the bits and pieces. Can someone break it up for me in simple terms? Sounds like trans kids can get kicked out of school because they're trans? That's bullshit and I say that as someone who is definitely not on the left. I also read the other day about schools banning mullets. So kids can also get kicked out of school for mullets? What kind of nonsense is this?
never deny a true mullet
Indos right, it was a major election issue that people democratically voted for. …and we are still waiting for it to pass after 3 years.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/ballarat-high-sc...
Here I found it. The mullet has been deemed an “extreme hairstyle”....
Optimist, I don't recall the LNP promising to allow schools to expel transexual students..
Take your sky fairy and fuck right off.
flollo wrote:https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/ballarat-high-sc...
Here I found it. The mullet has been deemed an “extreme hairstyle”....
Better burn my Bad Religion Cd's too.
yes it was a major election issue, that morrison and co. got voted in on, so yeh, some are totally misrepresenting it to make political points... but point scoring always comes before reality for vicvocal...
schools are incredibly complicated places, intricate balancing acts, representing a people, place, culture and time...
private schools have been expelling kids for long hair, purple hair, shaved hair, wrong shoes, short skirt etc. forever... so most of this is nothing new...
I know people that have lied to get into private schools, both as students and educators... and personally, i agree with optimist, it is bloody poor form...
and why people, who clearly enjoy a secular lifestyle, lie to get into certain schools, is a whole debate in itself... and why some people go to such lengths to avoid the public system? ...a system I love dearly... but anyway...
they do, for a heap of reasons... and when they do, they are paying in order to buy a certain product, a place, a culture, a set of expectations...
pretty hard for a muslim school to please their main customers if chicks are getting round with skirts as short as the ones at a local school where I grew up that springs to mind... same for many chrisitian schools...
same goes for outwardly gay or trans kids at certain schools, ...get outraged, and high horsed as much as you want.. but the reality is, with certain schools there are certain expectations...
personally I would be disgraced if a kid got expelled for being homosexual - at most schools. but at certain schools, it wouldn't surprise me at all, and I believe the problem would lay with the parents, parenting, and expectations of all involved...
the parents know what they are signing up for, what it is that they are seeking and buying into... if that culture doesn't fit with their kid, Im not sure there's much to be whinging about...
yeh sure feel for the kid, but there are certain expectations that come with certain places, a religious school has certain beliefs, I don't walk into a church with boardshorts and no shirt, just as I don't walk off kuta beach into a hindu temple with board shorts and no shirt
some may try, many do, with chicks probaby being worse than men in this regard... but I personally am repulsed by such uncooth bogan behaviour
same same
Morrison went to the last election with no policies.
Expulsion of students because they are transexual was never mentioned. It was not an election issue in 2019. It was not a promise of the LNP.
Give up dickheads.
It's a shit hill to die on.
Would you let your trans kid get expelled Sypkan or Optimist?
What would Jesus do?
They did promise an independant inquiry into federal corruption...
Suggest you behave a little more maturely adam. Billions of people believe in the 'sky fairy', not just Opti. Show some respect - you know, the kind you want others to show transgenders. As for 'Morrison went to the last election with no policies', doesn't say much for your mob that he still won.
Adam , I’m sure you and your friends look super hot in the latest Roxy gear when you go out to the bars at night but seriously, stay out of the schools please, even in state schools the kids will think you funny for a little while but then …just super creepy…
.and Jesus would probably say…I gave you a Willy so please don’t be silly.
Two intelligent responses Cockee and Optimist.
I knew I was dealing with small minds.
Optimist, you are a christian bigot mate, and that pithy response is what I would expect from a narrow mind who can't back up their bullshit.
No wonder you believe in fairy tales.
Major election issue mandate twaddle.
Bullshit all you like but all the LNP took the last election was how bad labor were/would be.
Anyway we shall see were it lands with so few sitting days left until the election where a fully funded powerful federal ICAC will most definitely be a major issue.
So GS. do you think the ALP will enact ICAC if elected? Will they bring it as one of their policies?
Yes I do
fitzroy-21 wrote:So GS. do you think the ALP will enact ICAC if elected? Will they bring it as one of their policies?
I reckon the ALP would be mad not to bring in a Federal ICAC with teeth that can investigate the last 10 years of shameful LNP corruption. It would also be a massive disincentive for any future corrupt behaviour by both sides.
Win fucking win, especially when half the current corrupt LNP dogs end up in front of judges.
Well, I for one certainly hope they do and not some watered down version.
And VL, your ongoing repetitive LNP narrative is getting fucking boring.
You would have to be living under a rock on here not to know your feelings for the LNP, you flood almost every single thread with the same BS.
I think Scomo looks and sounds more like a cult leader preaching more and more rubbish by the day. People are asking harder questions, he can't give an anserw that doesn't side slip the problems he has either inherited, supported or implemented. He has to be one of if not the worst Australian leader in my life time. And it has been great to see people calling it out. The general public have become more aware of whats going on locally and nation wide, and of whats being force fed, the denials, the deals etc. This can only be a good thing, as we are the voters after all. So elected parties and constitutes should be held to account no matter how uncomfortable it is.
'Two intelligent responses Cockee and Optimist.' Why, thank-you adam! We now wait expectantly for you to one day return the favour.
Cockee wrote:'Two intelligent responses Cockee and Optimist.' Why, thank-you adam! We now wait expectantly for you to one day return the favour.
Im afraid you will die waiting for that.
Have you got a Fox news clip to go with that shade you throw Indo?
adam12 wrote:Two intelligent responses Cockee and Optimist.
I knew I was dealing with small minds.
Optimist, you are a christian bigot mate, and that pithy response is what I would expect from a narrow mind who can't back up their bullshit.
No wonder you believe in fairy tales.
Yep, he outed his hate and bigotry in the religion thread.
These 2 are making things interesting, they both live in Morrisons head, he has no real response or idea how to combat their attacks. Tame, destroys Morrison the most.https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-two-extraordinary-young-wome...
Abc press club
Two women making waves. Charging new ground for victims of abuse. Powerful and uncompromising. Take note.
Robwilliams wrote:Abc press club
Two women making waves. Charging new ground for victims of abuse. Powerful and uncompromising. Take note.
So impressive.
Does anyone think Scotty the Complete Psycho wouldn't have some flunky lean on Grace Tame to try and shut her up?
And let's not forget that Higgins was allegedly raped just before the last election, couches were steam cleaned, police and ambulances weren't called, and the alleged rapists was gently shifted out of a job into a nice little liberal party aligned job out of the way.
Christ the LNP are a pack of scumbags. Vile men and awful crumb maidens.
Reckon a few cholesterol levels would have risen today ;)
Robwilliams wrote:People are asking harder questions, he can't give an anserw that doesn't side slip the problems he has either inherited, supported or implemented. He has to be one of if not the worst Australian leader in my life time. And it has been great to see people calling it out.
Hear, hear!
Vic Local][quote=Robwilliams wrote:Does anyone think Scotty the Complete Psycho wouldn't have some flunky lean on Grace Tame to try and shut her up?
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/05/01/exclusive-g...
Morrison meddling? Well, I never...
I wish Grace would name the govt funded organisation and person who rang her.
Seems odd she wont…..was it Centrelink or Medicare or young libs or who…I’d certainly like to know….and she seems very chummy with Albo, always so happy and smiley and the double pointing “he’s the man gesture” but with Morrison all over the top frowns and scowly…all very theatrical …and yet neither have done anything personally to her or for her….does anyone else smell a stitch up ?…...I’m pretty sure that Grace will have a very good paying job after the election….time will tell I suppose.
Vic Local wrote:Robwilliams wrote:Abc press club
Two women making waves. Charging new ground for victims of abuse. Powerful and uncompromising. Take note.
So impressive.
Does anyone think Scotty the Complete Psycho wouldn't have some flunky lean on Grace Tame to try and shut her up?
And let's not forget that Higgins was allegedly raped just before the last election, couches were steam cleaned, police and ambulances weren't called, and the alleged rapists was gently shifted out of a job into a nice little liberal party aligned job out of the way.
Christ the LNP are a pack of scumbags. Vile men and awful crumb maidens.
Don’t limit it to just the LNP. Both the major parties are the same. Politicians are all the same. Power corrupts, is such an accurate thing.
And Tame needs to out the caller, until then it's just an accusation.
A reasonable result in the end, possibly.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-controversial-reli...
Roadkill wrote:And Tame needs to out the caller, until then it's just an accusation.
I think it's called "keeping your powder dry"
Vic Local wrote:Roadkill wrote:And Tame needs to out the caller, until then it's just an accusation.
I think it's called "keeping your powder dry"
It is unverified mud slinging, surely if she wants to make claims in the forum she did, she needs to back them up.
The irony of men telling Grace Tame what to do after what she has endured is clearly lost on some here. She’s retaining the power and playing by her own rules. Go girl.
Liberal apologists, can't expect much more from them.
Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe she doesn't know the name of the person who threatened her, and who exactly that person works for?
Actually do you really think the person threatening her would give her their name?
Roadkill wrote:Vic Local wrote:Roadkill wrote:And Tame needs to out the caller, until then it's just an accusation.
I think it's called "keeping your powder dry"
It is unverified mud slinging, surely if she wants to make claims in the forum she did, she needs to back them up.
The allegations have of course gone to an "investigation" stage, which we all know with Scumo's mob is a place where the truth goes to die. This is what they do when they want to bury facts. It happened with the Brittany Higgins incident big time. They buried the story just before the 2019 election.
I'm tipping Higgins and Tame won't be letting that happen again. My gut feel is they will be throwing some major shade on the LNP just prior to the election to inflict maximum damage on a party that has done nothing to protect women. The LNP scumbags have been massively backgrounding them and their families, and attacked these two on social media. Shutting them up is going to be difficult.
Optimist I agree. Something doesn`t seem quite right with her.
GuySmiley wrote:The irony of men telling Grace Tame what to do after what she has endured is clearly lost on some here. She’s retaining the power and playing by her own rules. Go girl.
I think she is fantastic..and really making life difficult for some real aholes.
I am just a bit off on her making wild claims with zero need to provide any evidence.
She's getting good advice.
Naming the person was not necessary and would have shifted the focus to that person and away from the issue they are prosecuting.
She knows what she is doing.
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