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yes im aware of the penny's in the senate problem...
but even with this obstacle - from the 2 teams of absolute self serving rabble - she was the only one I could stretch my brain to support
I once might have said jimmy chalmers, but he's been too close to albo and his blatant bullshitting of late
jim is clearly competent, but fuck he's become quite annoying
as to the icc shit
kinda just shows what an out of touch, delusional operation that thing is...
one side thinks penny's complicit in the cide
the other side claims she's anti-semitic
back in the day - before extremism took hold - that used to mean you had things about right...
anyway, shes pretty much the only politician that has spoken any sense through the whole debacle from my perspective
Used to chat with Jim Cairns years after he left parliament, he used to have a stall at the old Frankston market where he sold his books, a true believer and gentleman.
Now if we’re talking about politicians having a bit on the side …
Billy Sneddon suffered a heart attack and died “on the job” rooting an ex girlfriend of his son’s and wasn’t the Colt from Kooyoong Andrew Peacock rumoured to on the job with Prue Acton at the time of his death?
@adam12 could probably confirm ^^ and others.
believe what you want southern
'belief' is half the problem
your problem...
""Hey! Things are definitely terrifying here. I’ve been taking a news break the last few days because the anxiety was getting to be too much to be able to still do normal life things and get work done.
I hope it all implodes things go back to normal but every day it’s just one awful thing after another. The tariffs are pretty scary for my business the deportations all of our civil rights being taken away. Just unreal.""
1 her business is affected by tariffs
if you can't see that fosters some pretty strong bias... you need to review what they're telling you at uni...
2. deportations
she is in an absolute minority there, ie. she is one of the about 30% who don't see deportations as a result of democrat's excesses...
as to the anxiety and the rest, that's all a result of one thing
too much jeffy (who's not jeffy) tv...
the fuck off was because you've been baiting me with that misogyny crap for weeks if not months...
I've ignored it, because I really don't wanna talk about your clear indoctrination and miserable assumptions
but it gets tiresome, so fuck off
fwiw, I would like to think your smarter and more self aware than trotting those lame old lines that signal to the church, but achieve nothing else...
ie. if you really want to make a point - and not just shit stir - better to use your own words and interpretation than boring lines from the broken bible
and yeh, I'm a defo wong for pm
and a defo tulsi for prez
not a hint of lip service or deflection
I literally cannot think of any one better for either position
a strong literally...
I don't think you're necessarily wong for PM @syp,
but I'd think hard about it before you run.
^ you ok syp?
I remember when Penny Wong was a young leftie activist.
She was our CFMEU rep and would drop in for a chat every 2 weeks and the boss would run away and cower in his office.
Extremely smart, very strong woman, not a bad sort, but if you said anything out of line she would get angry and cut you to pieces.
A young apprentice muttered 2 wongs don't make a white thinking he was being funny and she chased him all around the site swearing at him.
First openly gay woman in parliament, bigger balls than most of the blokes, I would vote for her, she gets things done.
+1
One of their best.
indo-dreaming wrote:seeds wrote:Islamists are Nazi too.
Im guessing you dont know that "Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War two"?
Anyway apart from the obvious hatred both share/shared of Jews and even gays, they do share some history a few Arab leaders tried to work with Hitler in particular The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who even got Honorary Aryan Status (basically okay technically you aren't us, but we recognize you as one of us)
And Hitler himself had a great admiration of Islam and Mohammad, not just because of the hate of Jews and even Christian's but he saw islam as a warrior religion and weirdly “strong affinity between Germanic and Islamic culture”
Of course many islamic leaders past and present admire hitler and the Nazis and there was even a shop in Gaza called Hitler 2 with pro Nazi garb.
Of course you will just call this Hasbara, but as you can see these are mostly mainstream fairly centre rated links, as it's well documented and accepted, even if many do not know the history.
Two sides of the same coin basically.
"Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim"
‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination...
"How Nazis courted the Islamic world during WWII
Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War Two. DW spoke with historian David Motadel about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him."
https://www.dw.com/en/how-nazis-courted-the-islamic-world-during-wwii/a-....
"Grand Mufti al-Husseini: Britain’s Deadliest Enemy?
Prime Minister Winston Churchill labeled Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, as such.
"Like all Palestinians and most Arabs, Haj Amin al-Hussaini not only looked forward to an Axis Pact victory in World War II but also saw it as a means of defeating what he believed was a joint British-Jewish conspiracy to foist an Israelite homeland on the Middle East that would be to the detriment of his own people."
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/britains-deadliest-enemy/
"Hitler’s Palestinian Ally: Grand Mufti Amin Al-Husseini
Although less known than his distant cousin, Palestine Liberation Organization founder Yasser Arafat, Jerusalem grand mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini (1897-1974) played a prominent role in pre-1948 Palestine. As one of the ‘founding fathers’ of Palestinian nationalism, Al-Husseini remains a respected figure in Palestinian society.
The grand mufti – praised by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as a “hero” and a “pioneer” – gained most of his notoriety, however, as a Nazi collaborator. During World War II, the cleric served as an Arab ally and propagandist for the Third Reich in Berlin, continuing the campaign of antisemitic incitement he started in Palestine."
https://honestreporting.com/hitlers-palestinian-ally-grand-mufti-amin-al...
Well, FMD, well done Mr,@Indo,
Some history!!!
Yes, it's true too.
If you have an interest in such things can I recommend you buy online, (it's on audio books too I think), and read one of the best history books I have ever read, "The Rise and fall of The Third Reich" by William L. Shirer.
Shirer was an American journalist and correspondent based in Berlin in the 1930's and was recruited by the famous American journalist, war correspondent and newsman Edward R, Murrow to do live broadcasts into America in the lead up to, and first few years of WW2. He and Murrow were both the pioneers of such broadcasting, a string of stations and comm. networks was set up for the first time to broadcast across the globe and into US homes on radio.
He lived amongst and worked with many Nazis before and during the war, (until he got wind the Gestapo were coming for him and his wife to arrest them and send them to a concentration camp and they fled to Vienna where he continued his reports, (just before Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese and America joined the war),
He knew Hitler, and Goebbels well, and other high ranking Nazis, he would even (begrudgingly) socialise with them and worked closely with Goebbels propaganda department, who vetted all his reports.
His live broadcast of Hitler arriving in a French forest at Compienge in 1940 to accept the French surrender, where Hitler had recreated the German WW1 surrender by having the same, preserved by the French, railway carriage the German surrender was signed in put back to the site (he later blew it up), went for six hours, he had to pull a shifty on the Nazi organisers to get it done, and is regarded as one of the greatest live commentaries in broadcast history.
" "I have seen that face [Hitler's] many times at the great moments of his life. But today! It is afire with scorn, anger, hate, revenge, triumph."
You can read more of it here: https://www.billdownscbs.com/2015/07/1940-adolf-hitler-arrives-for-frenc....
Shirer's book is a great read, hard slogging, pretty thick, about 1500 pages, but worthwhile and regarded as the definitive reference of that period in history. (Hitler and the Muftis is in there too @Indo).
The thing which makes it so good is that Shirer was there at all the decisive moments, reporting and broadcasting and up close to all the Nazis, and during and after the trials at Nuremberg was able to access all the captured German documents, only available for a short time. The Nazis were meticulous record keepers, all Hitler's meetings, planning and movements were recorded by stenographers, all the high ranking Nazis did the same, and Shirer also had access to many of the personal diaries including Goebbels and Generals like Halder and Rommel, and others, and his own.
He was able to show the inside workings, discussions, arguments and plans, that the world, and other leaders at the time heard very different versions of.
He had it in their own words and in private, and the private thoughts of Hitler and his generals and high ranking Nazis and how they bullshitted the world, and each other.
He covers the lot, including the Holocaust, and the many attempts on Hitler's life, like the heroic July 20 plot led by Claus Von Stauffenberg (Tom Cruise did a shit movie version of the famous story once), and Hitler's own story from his birth, family, and so on to WW1 trench messenger, to Vienna as a shit artist living in poverty where he learned the power of oratory and how to get the attention and support of the masses, to Mien Kamph and how he rose to power and beyond, all the way to the Bunker and what happened after, including Nuremberg and the trials.
I recall the parts where it discusses Hitler and Islam and he did admire the religion, it's "manliness" but he was no Muslim. He despised all religion, some of the leaders of the German churches were among the first he rounded up and sent to the camps as Fuhrer. Hitler thought, as did many Germans at the time, that he was God, so all the other Gods took a back seat to his vanity, Allah and Muhammad too.
Shirer's book is a great read, quite "readable", if you are interested in that kind of history.
You should check it out @Indo, (and don't skim read it!), get the audio book and listen to it at work...or not...dunno if I care too much but I am posting this so...who knows.
There is even a Trump connection to William L. Shirer.
He returned to the US after the war and was blacklisted by McCarthyism, for being a "commie" (he wasn't), and the guy who set that all up and was Joe McCarthy's brains and adviser and orchestrated the whole thing was none other than Roy Cohen, later employed by Trump's father to mentor and train Donald in cuntiness and "dealing" in New York. He was Trump's real "father figure" and a mob connected NYC 'lawyer and deal maker and a prick of a man. So is Donald.
Anyway, dinner time, late, said too much.
Good to see you reading some history @Indo, please just broaden your syllabus a bit away from the anti Muslim pro Zionist Israel shit ok.
It gets boring.
But so do I.
Out.
Unbelievable stuff
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/09/trumps-morning-buy-call-nets-huge-return...
@Sypkan,
Just read this from you
"as to the icc shit
kinda just shows what an out of touch, delusional operation that thing is..."
Well mate, you can "just fuck off".
You talk a lot of shit here and that was a fkn stupid, ill informed and WRONG thing to say.
Smarten up cunt.
That tribunal exists for a very fucken good reason and you should inform yourself as to why before you shoot your mouth off with all your alt. right or is it alt. left bullshit. (hard to tell with you sometimes)
Sorry @Sypkan, I will calm down in a minute, but ignorant social media posters about things like that grind my fucken gears.
I think you are not properly informed.
John Howard signed the Rome Statute which makes the ICC Australian Law.
Go do some research as to why it exists and what it does!
Fuck me!
sypkan wrote:believe what you want southern
'belief' is half the problem
your problem...
""Hey! Things are definitely terrifying here. I’ve been taking a news break the last few days because the anxiety was getting to be too much to be able to still do normal life things and get work done.
I hope it all implodes things go back to normal but every day it’s just one awful thing after another. The tariffs are pretty scary for my business the deportations all of our civil rights being taken away. Just unreal.""1 her business is affected by tariffs
if you can't see that fosters some pretty strong bias... you need to review what they're telling you at uni...
2. deportations
she is in an absolute minority there, ie. she is one of the about 30% who don't see deportations as a result of democrat's excesses...
as to the anxiety and the rest, that's all a result of one thing
too much jeffy (who's not jeffy) tv...
@skyman is on another right wing trip ,
Don’t fly too high Mr know it all
Your having more hallucinations of being
a heroic activist, with stars in your eyes.,
Not right wing and definitely not left wing,
But has he’s own wing in the Himalayas somewhere,
Go you good thing!!
Well written and spot on. Trump shit himself when real players started dumping the US bonds. We are talking about a completely different planet if the US bond is not considered a risk free asset. This is not playing with fire, this is playing with an inferno. US bond must be a risk free asset and anything above that is considered a risk premium. God help us (I don’t believe in him but I would be desperate in this case) if this formula breaks. Most people have no idea what’s truly at risk here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-10/donald-trump-met-match-on-tariffs...
Furthermore, governments don’t finance themselves with taxes. They finance themselves with bonds. Collected taxes are there to pay for bond obligations. Look at it as a line of credit that gets paid as tax revenues pour in. Yes, it’s not that black or white but it’s something like this. Country that looks like shit will struggle to sell its bonds. A perfect example is Greece in 2012 with yields above 40%. Imagine financing your country at 40% interest? But that was Greece and the shock to the system was still significant. Imagine the US being in a position to go down that route. It’s unprecedented and unheard of. The world simply cannot afford it. Not a country with 60% of global market cap. Not a country with $36T USD of debt. Not a government that spends its budget of $6.8T USD every single year (and growing). It would be a complete shock to the system and a global meltdown.
sorry adam12, I'm sure it serves a purpose...
but it seems terribly flawed and that purpose largely symbolic
which doesn't mean can it... it just is...
I'm sure it seemed a good idea, back then, when howard signed up... but other institutions like the UN, the WHO, etc. didn't seem so corrupted and useless back then either...
people just simply don't trust or believe in these institutions because they seem to have lost their way, and covid confirmed that... overwhelmingly...
I don't think it's coincidental, that in the same time frame that 'the left' gave up on class politics, for a post modernist parade of race and gender obsession, that faith in these institutions has waned...
you could say that's good ol' self interest taking prominence... but I think it's deeper than that...
it's about priorities, realities, and just the plain bloody practicalities of common sense
and a level of insurmountable legal complexity, that means nothing gets done / addressed
I know raising doge won't win you over... but its the same with USaid, all those bullshit programs that tickled some middle class western world fetish, over addressing real class problems, like starvation or poverty, just exposed the contemporary left for what it is...
a middle class niche movement
out of touch and essentially useless
and speaking of those bloody activist types...
(in grumpy old man 'apologist' voice)
old dog's post is spot on, penny wong is a gem
and he shows how easy it is to get support for genuine gems
yet ironically, the contemporary indoctrination of activist class, are too busy calling him homophobic and misogynist to notice....
@Sypkan, apologies for my tone, we get on well here usually but you are pissing me off with respect to this.
ie. You say in reply above "people just simply don't trust or believe in these institutions because ..."
Well, it's "because" social media is not/not usually a reference for informed opinion, but a lot of bullshit and brain farting.
You are not informed. The ICC is an eminent, legal and emeritus tribunal there to try and punish individuals for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
And Wong and Albanese have briefs on the Prosecutors desk.
Fucking read this for starters...
EMBARGOED MEDIA RELEASE
PM referred to International Criminal Court accused of complicity in genocide
Tuesday, 5 March 2024
Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been referred to the International Criminal Court as an accessory to genocide in Gaza, making him the first leader of a Western nation to be referred to the ICC under Article 15 of the Rome Statute.
A team of Australian lawyers from Birchgrove Legal, led by King’s Counsel Sheryn Omeri, have spent months documenting the alleged complicity and outlining the individual criminal responsibility of Mr Albanese in respect to the situation in Palestine.
The 92-page document, which has been endorsed by more than one hundred Australian lawyers and barristers, was yesterday submitted to the Office of ICC Prosecutor, Karim Khan KC.
The document sets out a number of actions taken by the PM and other ministers and members of parliament, including Foreign Minister Wong and the Leader of the Opposition, for the Prosecutor to consider and investigate. These include:
Freezing $6 million in funding to the primary aid agency operating in Gaza – UNRWA – amid a humanitarian crisis based on unsubstantiated claims by Israel after the International Court of Justice had found it plausibly to be committing genocide in Gaza.
Providing military aid and approving defence exports to Israel, which could be used by the IDF in the course of the prima facie commission of genocide and crimes against humanity.
Ambiguously deploying an Australian military contingent to the region, where its location and exact role have not been disclosed.
Permitting Australians, either explicitly or implicitly, to travel to Israel to join the IDF and take part in its attacks on Gaza.
Providing unequivocal political support for Israel’s actions, as evidenced by the political statements of the PM and other members of Parliament, including the Leader of the Opposition.
Ms Omeri KC said the case was legally significant because it focused exclusively on two modes of accessorial liability.
“The Rome Statute provides four modes of individual criminal responsibility, two of which are accessorial,” Omeri said.
“In relation to accessorial liability, a person may be criminally responsible for a crime set out in the Rome Statute if, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of that crime, that person aids, abets or otherwise assists in the commission of the crime, or its attempted commission, including by providing the means for its commission.
“Secondly, if that person in any other way contributes to the commission of the crime or its attempted commission by a group, knowing that the group intends to commit the crime.”
Ms Omeri KC said the Article 15 communication had been carefully drafted by those instructing her and was now a matter for the Prosecutor to consider.
“The Office of the Prosecutor of the ICC is already pursuing an ongoing investigation into the situation in the State of Palestine, which it has been conducting since March 2021,” Omeri said.
“That includes investigating events which have occurred since 7 October 2023. This Article 15 communication will add to the evidence available to the Prosecutor in relation to that situation.
“The Article 15 communication is of a piece with recent domestic legal cases brought against Western leaders in a number of countries such as in the US, against President Biden, and most recently, in Germany, against, among other senior government ministers, Chancellor Scholz.
“These cases demonstrate a growing desire on the part of civil society and ordinary citizens of Western countries to ensure that their governments do not assist in the perpetration of international crimes, especially in circumstances where the ICJ has found a plausible case of genocide in Gaza.”
Principal solicitor at Birchgrove Legal, Moustafa Kheir, said his team had twice written to Mr Albanese, putting him on notice and seeking a response on behalf of the applicants who make up a large consortium of concerned Australian citizens, including those of Palestinian ethnicity.
Mr Kheir said communications were ignored on both occasions.
“Since October we have attempted communications with our Prime Minister as we reasonably believe that he and members of his cabinet are encouraging and supporting war crimes committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians through their political and military assistance,” Kheir said.
“The Prime Minister has ignored our concerns and given the limited avenues we have for recourse under national law, we have been left with little option but to pursue this Article 15 communication to the International Criminal Court.
“Our communication has been endorsed by King’s Counsel Greg James AM and well over 100 senior counsel and barristers, retired judges, law professors and academics from around Australia who wish to test the strength of international law to hold their own democratic leaders accountable given the barriers we face to do it nationally.
“As lawyers and barristers, it is impossible to sit back and watch sustained breaches of international law while Albanese continues to refer to the perpetrator as “a dear friend.”
A copy of the application can be viewed here: ICC-Referral-Australian-Government-Ministers-and-Opposition-Leader-04032024_BLG.pdf
-ENDS-
On Background
In Australia, a prosecution for international crimes cannot be brought without the endorsement and support of the Attorney General which poses a significant conflict of interest.
A bill was recently introduced to senate to remove this blockage. If adopted the Bill would end the Attorney General’s power to block crimes against humanity cases from being heard in Australian courts.
The ICC is a court of last resort. It will prosecute international crimes where States parties to the Rome Statute, such as Australia, are either unable to do so themselves or have shown themselves to be unwilling to do so.
Last November more than 1400 lawyers signed a letter which called upon the Australian government to exert its influence to secure a ceasefire in Gaza and the West Bank, and ensure there is adequate provision of food, fuel, medicine, and other humanitarian assistance to Gaza as well as the unconditional restoration of water and electricity.
EMBARGOED MEDIA RELEASE
Birchgrove Legal Files Case for Complicity to Genocide to the Hague- International Criminal Court [Media Release]
PM referred to International Criminal Court accused of complicity in genocide
Tuesday, 5 March 2024
Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been referred to the International Criminal Court as an accessory to genocide in Gaza, making him the first leader of a Western nation to be referred to the ICC under Article 15 of the Rome Statute.
A team of Australian lawyers from Birchgrove Legal, led by King’s Counsel Sheryn Omeri, have spent months documenting the alleged complicity and outlining the individual criminal responsibility of Mr Albanese in respect to the situation in Palestine.
The 92-page document, which has been endorsed by more than one hundred Australian lawyers and barristers, was yesterday submitted to the Office of ICC Prosecutor, Karim Khan KC.
The document sets out a number of actions taken by the PM and other ministers and members of parliament, including Foreign Minister Wong and the Leader of the Opposition, for the Prosecutor to consider and investigate. These include:
Freezing $6 million in funding to the primary aid agency operating in Gaza – UNRWA – amid a humanitarian crisis based on unsubstantiated claims by Israel after the International Court of Justice had found it plausibly to be committing genocide in Gaza.
Providing military aid and approving defence exports to Israel, which could be used by the IDF in the course of the prima facie commission of genocide and crimes against humanity.
Ambiguously deploying an Australian military contingent to the region, where its location and exact role have not been disclosed.
Permitting Australians, either explicitly or implicitly, to travel to Israel to join the IDF and take part in its attacks on Gaza.
Providing unequivocal political support for Israel’s actions, as evidenced by the political statements of the PM and other members of Parliament, including the Leader of the Opposition.
Ms Omeri KC said the case was legally significant because it focused exclusively on two modes of accessorial liability.
“The Rome Statute provides four modes of individual criminal responsibility, two of which are accessorial,” Omeri said.
“In relation to accessorial liability, a person may be criminally responsible for a crime set out in the Rome Statute if, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of that crime, that person aids, abets or otherwise assists in the commission of the crime, or its attempted commission, including by providing the means for its commission.
“Secondly, if that person in any other way contributes to the commission of the crime or its attempted commission by a group, knowing that the group intends to commit the crime.”
Ms Omeri KC said the Article 15 communication had been carefully drafted by those instructing her and was now a matter for the Prosecutor to consider.
“The Office of the Prosecutor of the ICC is already pursuing an ongoing investigation into the situation in the State of Palestine, which it has been conducting since March 2021,” Omeri said.
“That includes investigating events which have occurred since 7 October 2023. This Article 15 communication will add to the evidence available to the Prosecutor in relation to that situation.
“The Article 15 communication is of a piece with recent domestic legal cases brought against Western leaders in a number of countries such as in the US, against President Biden, and most recently, in Germany, against, among other senior government ministers, Chancellor Scholz.
“These cases demonstrate a growing desire on the part of civil society and ordinary citizens of Western countries to ensure that their governments do not assist in the perpetration of international crimes, especially in circumstances where the ICJ has found a plausible case of genocide in Gaza.”
Principal solicitor at Birchgrove Legal, Moustafa Kheir, said his team had twice written to Mr Albanese, putting him on notice and seeking a response on behalf of the applicants who make up a large consortium of concerned Australian citizens, including those of Palestinian ethnicity.
Mr Kheir said communications were ignored on both occasions.
“Since October we have attempted communications with our Prime Minister as we reasonably believe that he and members of his cabinet are encouraging and supporting war crimes committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians through their political and military assistance,” Kheir said.
“The Prime Minister has ignored our concerns and given the limited avenues we have for recourse under national law, we have been left with little option but to pursue this Article 15 communication to the International Criminal Court.
“Our communication has been endorsed by King’s Counsel Greg James AM and well over 100 senior counsel and barristers, retired judges, law professors and academics from around Australia who wish to test the strength of international law to hold their own democratic leaders accountable given the barriers we face to do it nationally.
“As lawyers and barristers, it is impossible to sit back and watch sustained breaches of international law while Albanese continues to refer to the perpetrator as “a dear friend.”
A copy of the application can be viewed here: ICC-Referral-Australian-Government-Ministers-and-Opposition-Leader-04032024_BLG.pdf
-ENDS-
On Background
In Australia, a prosecution for international crimes cannot be brought without the endorsement and support of the Attorney General which poses a significant conflict of interest.
A bill was recently introduced to senate to remove this blockage. If adopted the Bill would end the Attorney General’s power to block crimes against humanity cases from being heard in Australian courts.
The ICC is a court of last resort. It will prosecute international crimes where States parties to the Rome Statute, such as Australia, are either unable to do so themselves or have shown themselves to be unwilling to do so.
Last November more than 1400 lawyers signed a letter which called upon the Australian government to exert its influence to secure a ceasefire in Gaza and the West Bank, and ensure there is adequate provision of food, fuel, medicine, and other humanitarian assistance to Gaza as well as the unconditional restoration of water and electricity.
Media Contact: Rita Markwell: info@birchgrovelegal.com.au | (02) 9018 1067
https://birchgrovelegal.com.au/2024/03/01/birchgrove-legal-files-case-fo...
@Sypkan, why don't you email Rita at Birchgrove and tell her your bullshit theorising on this, or give her a ring and see if I am right or not and she will tell you just like I do, you are wrong.
Or ring the principal solicitor Mustafa and say the ICC is (whatever you say) to him! Or the KC Sheryn Omeri.
And don't say sorry to me, I'm just an observer, apologize to them!
Fuck this crap.
Fucken sucked in every time I come on these threads.
Bye.
"“Our communication has been endorsed by King’s Counsel Greg James AM and well over 100 senior counsel and barristers, retired judges, law professors and academics from around Australia who wish to test the strength of international law to hold their own democratic leaders accountable given the barriers we face to do it nationally."
symbolic lawyer bullshit
and a heap of assumptions...
good on em
but...
sypkan wrote:"“Our communication has been endorsed by King’s Counsel Greg James AM and well over 100 senior counsel and barristers, retired judges, law professors and academics from around Australia who wish to test the strength of international law to hold their own democratic leaders accountable given the barriers we face to do it nationally."
symbolic lawyer bullshit
and a heap of assumptions...
good on em
but...
@ skyscams campaign headquarters is
up in the apple tree,
where he can surveille the surrounding
area for approaching reporters and
conservationists.
flollo wrote:Unbelievable stuff
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/09/trumps-morning-buy-call-nets-huge-return...
Couple Democrats calling for insider trading investigations following Trumps buy call.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/democratic-senators-call-probe-insid...
What did the Oils sing, The rich get richer and the poor get the picture.
The shock and awe has worked….
People realise they need to stay home and make things there.
Only China is the current winner as they make everything.
Green groups now saying tariffs are good for the planet.
Less constant transport by air and sea around the globe….all to mostly benefit China…… a toxic wasteland of cheap manufacturing which is spreading around the world dragging poor countries into the vortex.
There is a lot of criticism on here but I see no alternate ways or better ideas by anyone……if you hate what they are doing, present a better case or shut up.
What they are doing , everyone will do eventually…..they are always first.
Change your lifestyle….make stuff in your own country….pay a bit more it'll last longer….less throw away waste…..invest in stocks that build your country not chinas…..
This will happen in the USA if the people hold their ground , give the govt a chance and the democrats stop the artificial hysteria ……they are still causing trouble….starting wars at home now instead of overseas….
Remember the USA is broke….minus broke even…..they have to restart what has worked in the past.
Wealth will start to even out as well across the country instead of the big rich guys making billions by being in bed with the Chinese machine and importing everything for the peasants to buy.
But can the people see it…the “ tomorrow” …..or are they easily stuck in the “today”.
All the hype about the bond market "defeating" Trump and forcing him to capitulate is exactly that: nonsensical hype and media sensationalism. Nothing out of the ordinary is happening in the bond market. Yields are going up and down as per normal, as per the US 10yr below.
And I'd question whether Trump has capitulated on anything at all. Seems more accurate to say that he just pulled the wool over everyone's eyes since he appears to have convinced the planet that 10% tariffs across the board are all good and in fact him "capitulating".
Btw, re a page or so ago on what Supa posted of Trump discussing China. Trump may like the sound of his own voice but he's right about China. China engages in all those unfair trade practices that I mentioned above on a massive scale as well as commits wholesale intellectual property theft and uses it to develop and dump cheap copies of these products and services across the globe, with government backing. This has been the Chinese government's playbook for over half a century: unashamedly steal the West's intellectual property and engage in wholesale cheating and unfair trade practices in global markets to dominate those markets and destroy all its competitors. I'd argue more like 500% tariffs on China would be fair and needed to level the playing field with them.
China has had the wool pulled over the rest of the world's eyes for over half a century.
O’Leary agrees with you . https://thehill.com/business/5239973-kevin-oleary-400-percent-tariffs-ch...
Actually it has been China's playbook for a couple hundred years and is what caused the opium wars and century of humiliation: a refusal to engage in fair and equal trade practices with the West.
Supafreak wrote:O’Leary agrees with you . https://thehill.com/business/5239973-kevin-oleary-400-percent-tariffs-ch...
Interesting to hear his thoughts.. "He clarified that he has no problem with the Chinese people, but rather the government." seemed to indicate Mr Wonderful has right thought, right speech about the issue... but then to end with: "“America is the No. 1 economy on Earth with all the cards. We will not have that forever,” O’Leary said. “It’s time to squeeze Chinese heads into the wall now” is a bit of a shame.. It'll get the malevolents barking along, haha..
And I'd question whether Trump has capitulated on anything at all. Seems more accurate to say that he just pulled the wool over everyone's eyes since he appears to have convinced the planet that 10% tariffs across the board are all good and in fact him "capitulating".
Seems to be what's happening doesn't it
I also agree with something Syp said a few pages back. The dems were doing nothing and the spiral down was continuing.
Even if this doesn't work, trying something new and bold is still more right than doing the same old broken shit
anyone who knows what they're talking about have any thoughts on SE Asian countries like Vietnam, etc. leaping in to usurp manufacturing markets that China has dominated with US, and what that might do for stability in the region..?
Just a 90 day hold on the kung pao chicken
“… the big rich guys making billions by being in bed with the Chinese machine and importing everything for the peasants to buy.”
Trump is fooling the people who think that he knows what he’s doing and has a strategic plan .
Now he knows what he’s doing,
Now he doesn’t know what he’s doing,
Now he knows what he’s doing again
Whoops
The plot thickens . WTF has Zuck been up to ? Hard to believe this clip is on instagram .Zuck & Musk might just get in the ring after all .
shoredump wrote:And I'd question whether Trump has capitulated on anything at all. Seems more accurate to say that he just pulled the wool over everyone's eyes since he appears to have convinced the planet that 10% tariffs across the board are all good and in fact him "capitulating".
Seems to be what's happening doesn't it
I also agree with something Syp said a few pages back. The dems were doing nothing and the spiral down was continuing.
Even if this doesn't work, trying something new and bold is still more right than doing the same old broken shit
Who knows what his plan is there is quite a few different options/theories and he could just be seeing how it plays it to what option he goes with.
But yes that would make sense, it's a typical negotiating tactic of Trump, shock them with something big, then when it's brought down to 10% everyone is thinking they are getting a good deal, when if they had been hit with 10% to begin with they would have been in uproar.
But who knows, we can only wait and see what happens in further weeks to months.
@gs-co "...a refusal to engage in fair and equal trade practices with the West"
Isn't it a countrys right to decide who they trade with? Possibly China was aware of what happened when the East India Company moved in to India and saw what the Wests version of fair and equal trade was and decided they wanted nothing to do with it. Not sure how you blame China for the opium wars. That war and the resulting loss of Hong Kong proves the point that they were correct in not trusting the West and their mercantile class
Not disputing what you are saying about Chinas tactics but they have been well known by the West for quite some time and the failure is also on the West because they decided to turn a blind eye about the way they operate due to the prospect of more wealth (greed?)
Case in point, @supafreaks instagram post about Facebook bending the knee to the CCP
“fair and equal trade practices”
- throughout south east Asia ?
- in Africa ?
- in Latin America ?
- in Hawaii ?
- etc etc etc etc
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TIS is alive and well on SN.
Trump has no plan and is winging it. Lots of indoctrinated folks conned by the greatest grifter of all time.
southernraw wrote:Roadkill wrote:Moonah wrote:southernraw wrote:Roadkill wrote:clearly a couple of tds'd chicks though
hypobolic, hysterical, and irrational in the first five minutes, I don't need anymore of that
Strange how some people watch and see things that aren’t there.
Cos now's not the time for hysteria if you're a citizen of the US right now right? Especially if you're a woman over there.
No surprises from you roadkill.I might be totally wrong here @southernraw but I think roadkill is on your side here…..
SR tends to read posts with a bias. He reads what he thinks someone is saying.
TBH it’s not worth explaining to him as he loves to be outraged.
I don't think i misunderstood you roadkill...did i?
100% misunderstood.
But not really a surprise.
Distracted wrote:flollo wrote:Unbelievable stuff
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/09/trumps-morning-buy-call-nets-huge-return...
Couple Democrats calling for insider trading investigations following Trumps buy call.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/democratic-senators-call-probe-insid...What did the Oils sing, The rich get richer and the poor get the picture.
Nancy Pelosi was hounded for years by the Republicans over her and her family's share dealings.
It's only fair that an investigation into the dealings of Trump and his "associates" inside and outside of Congress be conducted.
flollo wrote:Well written and spot on. Trump shit himself when real players started dumping the US bonds. We are talking about a completely different planet if the US bond is not considered a risk free asset. This is not playing with fire, this is playing with an inferno. US bond must be a risk free asset and anything above that is considered a risk premium. God help us (I don’t believe in him but I would be desperate in this case) if this formula breaks. Most people have no idea what’s truly at risk here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-10/donald-trump-met-match-on-tariffs...
Interesting times.....
flollo wrote:Well written and spot on. Trump shit himself when real players started dumping the US bonds. We are talking about a completely different planet if the US bond is not considered a risk free asset. This is not playing with fire, this is playing with an inferno. US bond must be a risk free asset and anything above that is considered a risk premium. God help us (I don’t believe in him but I would be desperate in this case) if this formula breaks. Most people have no idea what’s truly at risk here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-10/donald-trump-met-match-on-tariffs...
" Most people have no idea what’s truly at risk here."
Exactly the bond market (10 year note) made it clear it wasn't putting up with Trumps BS but the real issue is confidence which by and large drives the bond market has been shattered.
What ever so called deal is made with Trump what's the confidence he will keep it until the next tweet.
FFS you had administration officials give sworn evidence of what is going to happen all to have Trump tweet something different at the same time.
But the Cult keeps cheering fu(kwitts.
Fliplid wrote:@gs-co "...a refusal to engage in fair and equal trade practices with the West"
Isn't it a countrys right to decide who they trade with? Possibly China was aware of what happened when the East India Company moved in to India and saw what the Wests version of fair and equal trade was and decided they wanted nothing to do with it. Not sure how you blame China for the opium wars. That war and the resulting loss of Hong Kong proves the point that they were correct in not trusting the West and their mercantile class
Not disputing what you are saying about Chinas tactics but they have been well known by the West for quite some time and the failure is also on the West because they decided to turn a blind eye about the way they operate due to the prospect of more wealth (greed?)
Case in point, @supafreaks instagram post about Facebook bending the knee to the CCP
Sure, it's a country's choice. And yes the West saw opportunity in China and took it, but made what I'd describe as the biggest post WWII foreign policy mistake they've ever made, of allowing the communist party to take control of China and then help it develop into a superpower that has no intention of playing nicely with the West (or anyone, really).
But I'd describe the cause of the opium wars as: It's well accepted that China was very arrogant at the time and believed it was far superior to any other peoples, and didn't think that any other peoples had anything to offer it. The West had a strong demand for things like silk and tea, and ran out of silver and gold to pay for it all, and China hoarded all the gold and silver, so the West had the wise idea of getting half the Chinese population hooked on opium, and used the proceeds to pay for their silk and tea. China wasn't overly impressed with that, but due to their arrogance, the Chinese didn't see the writing on the wall that they'd just encountered a peoples who at the time were far superior in technology and industry, etc. So China thought they could easily defeat the West in war, but the West dominated them with "just a few ships" and seized half the Chinese coast in the process.
At the time, all China had to do was just buy a few products off the West instead of hoarding all the gold and silver, thus sending the West broke...
Fast forward 150 years, China has a full blown personal vendetta against the West and is seeking vengeance for the century of humiliation. And they're up to their same old tricks in international trade and commerce, this time hoarding US dollars and US govt bonds (and gold and silver), again sending the West broke, and not playing fairly at all... And they once again believe that they can defeat us in war, and are not going to back down in the little trade dispute with Trump or come to the table with some fair and equal trading practices, just like 150 years ago.
Things will get really ugly. I am noticing massive issues in many different places, I think we are already in a recession. The only reprive I see is the drop in interest rates.
Everyone getting excited yesterday at an irrational bounce on markets. Plenty of downside to come. Another 10+ % fall incoming.
“…the Chinese didn't see the writing on the wall that they'd just encountered a peoples who at the time were far superior in technology and industry, etc.“
- ‘far superior’ …or maybe just more cunning and racist ;)
gsco (general stereotypes continue on)
Britain came out of wars at the end of the 1700’s that not only cost it much of its national treasury but also one of its most lucrative overseas colonies - North America. Mercantilism was at the fore.
- “ same old tricks in international trade and commerce “
The British East India company had enormous debts and needed to force new opportunities for more revenue and illegally smuggled opium from Indian colonies into Chinese ports against the wishes of the chinese…
“The British East India Company's involvement in the Opium Wars stemmed from its need to offset the trade imbalance with China, where silver was flowing out to pay for British imports like tea. To address this, the Company turned to opium, which was in high demand in China, allowing them to use the silver earned from opium sales to buy tea. This trade imbalance and the Chinese government's subsequent efforts to suppress the opium trade led to the Opium Wars, where Britain used its military power to force China into unequal treaties that favored British trade, including the legalization of opium and the opening of treaty ports.”
So the west is never ‘arrogant’ in anything they do. Just far superior in blaming others for their own greed and adverse circumstantial economic situation caused by their own doing. Brute force and coercion then ensue.
Hahaha : “all China had to do was just buy a few products off the West instead of hoarding all the gold and silver, thus sending the West broke...”
The world needs a plan B......we are all in the net....or tangled in the web.
https://www.econotimes.com/Chinas-Scientists-Reportedly-Crack-Major-Encr...
^ superior in technology and industry ;)
& The strong demand for fair and equal trading practices…
Houston we have a problem . Quick get Australia on the line and see what they are holding . https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-primes-rare-earths-weapon-trad...
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank