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And Trump's now responded with 124% tariffs on China.
The Art Of The Deal in real time, eh?
thermalben wrote:And Trump's now responded with 124% tariffs on China.
The Art Of The Deal in real time, eh?
No business is going to be able to pass on that cost to the consumer in the US
Will China back down on there tariffs?
The hillbilly has been displaying his diplomatic skills once again.
Seems like a rort by Trump?
Crash the market, mates get in for the cheap buys and then he pauses tariffs bringing a huge rebound?
Full manipulation.
Also.. every other country's tariffs are down to 10% (no change to Australia) for 90 days.
So.. three months of waiting around to see if he re-hikes them back up again. Or not. Or delays again. Or does something different.
Craig wrote:Seems like a rort by Trump?
Crash the market, mates get in for the cheap buys and then he pauses tariffs bringing a huge rebound?
Full manipulation.
Noooooooo…. He w0uldN’t dO tH@t!
Dead cat bounce…crazy stuff on the US markets.
Waiting for all the Trump Cockriders to get the talking points from Fox / X / NewsMax and then come on and tell us how this was All Part of “the Strategy”
So interesting to watch play out, maybe his strategy is going to be just negotiating after all.
Of course no matter what happens those with TDS are going to spill their hate.
Spot on @Craig. Never trust a sociopath.
As for anyone that actually thinks this is negotiating of some kind still....
When you see the reaction from other countries, this isn't negotiation.
This is a straight out war on world economies and in turn the world is turning it's back on the US. This is going to be an unrecoverable position for some time for the US.
The headlines being made today by other countries will be looked back on with some historical significance. You can't undo what Trump and his cronies have done now.
seeds wrote:I was just reading that. I would love to have a detailed list of import exports between the US and China. And any other country.
What does China import from the US? Grains/beef and other agricultural products or is it far more extensive?
Not what i expected but:
"Topping the list: $15.3 billion in electronics, including integrated circuits, and $14.7 billion in oil, gas and coal.
China also is the dominant market for U.S. soybeans, with exports valued at $12.8 billion.
Other major commodities China buys include aircraft, pharmaceutical products, and cars and trucks."
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04...
EDIT: better still a list.
"Here's a complete list of the products China imports from the U.S., according to the U.S.-China Business Council:
Oilseeds and grains: $18.5 billion
Oil and gas: $17.6 billion
Other: $15.9 billion
Pharmaceuticals and medicines: $11.3 billion
Semiconductors and components: $6.8 billion
Aerospace products and parts: $6.8 billion
Navigational and measurement instruments: $6.8 billion
Basic chemicals: $6.5 billion
Motor vehicles: $6.1 billion
Resins and synthetic fibers: $5.5 billion
Industrial machinery: $5 billion
Meat products: $4.5 billion
Medical equipment and supplies: $3.6 billion
General purpose machinery: $2.6 billion
Miscellaneous crops: $2.4 billion
Scrap products: $2.4 billion
Pulp and paperboard mill products: $2.1 billion
Miscellaneous manufactured commodities: $2.1 billion
Computer equipment: $1.8 billion
Non-ferrous metal products: $1.8 billion
Motor vehicle parts: $1.7 billion
Electrical equipment and components: $1.7 billion
Miscellaneous fabricated metal products: $1.6 billion
Plastic products: $1.4 billion
Engines and turbines: $1.4 billion
Electrical equipment: $1.3 billion
Communications and service industry machinery: $1.3 billion
Soaps, cleaning agents and toiletries: $1.3 billion
Fruits and tree nuts: $1.1 billion
Coal and petroleum gases: $1.1 billion
Marine products: $1 billion"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-imports-from-the-us-oilseeds-grains-o...
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is the most pathetic reflexive response to any criticism of the Trump administrations shambolic development and implementation of ‘policy’
What a circus, I can’t keep up.
US bonds getting sold off.
Trump might have just accelerated the decline of US global financial dominance.
But sure all part of his cunning plan.
https://m.
&pp=ygUVQmFsZHJpY2sgY3VubmluZyBwbGFu
Trump caves in on tariffs
The art of the cave in ,
75 countries have called Trump, but what did they say?
indo-dreaming wrote:seeds wrote:I was just reading that. I would love to have a detailed list of import exports between the US and China. And any other country.
What does China import from the US? Grains/beef and other agricultural products or is it far more extensive?Not what i expected but:
"Topping the list: $15.3 billion in electronics, including integrated circuits, and $14.7 billion in oil, gas and coal.
China also is the dominant market for U.S. soybeans, with exports valued at $12.8 billion.
Other major commodities China buys include aircraft, pharmaceutical products, and cars and trucks."
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04...EDIT: better still a list.
"Here's a complete list of the products China imports from the U.S., according to the U.S.-China Business Council:
Oilseeds and grains: $18.5 billion
Oil and gas: $17.6 billion
Other: $15.9 billion
Pharmaceuticals and medicines: $11.3 billion
Semiconductors and components: $6.8 billion
Aerospace products and parts: $6.8 billion
Navigational and measurement instruments: $6.8 billion
Basic chemicals: $6.5 billion
Motor vehicles: $6.1 billion
Resins and synthetic fibers: $5.5 billion
Industrial machinery: $5 billion
Meat products: $4.5 billion
Medical equipment and supplies: $3.6 billion
General purpose machinery: $2.6 billion
Miscellaneous crops: $2.4 billion
Scrap products: $2.4 billion
Pulp and paperboard mill products: $2.1 billion
Miscellaneous manufactured commodities: $2.1 billion
Computer equipment: $1.8 billion
Non-ferrous metal products: $1.8 billion
Motor vehicle parts: $1.7 billion
Electrical equipment and components: $1.7 billion
Miscellaneous fabricated metal products: $1.6 billion
Plastic products: $1.4 billion
Engines and turbines: $1.4 billion
Electrical equipment: $1.3 billion
Communications and service industry machinery: $1.3 billion
Soaps, cleaning agents and toiletries: $1.3 billion
Fruits and tree nuts: $1.1 billion
Coal and petroleum gases: $1.1 billion
Marine products: $1 billion"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-imports-from-the-us-oilseeds-grains-o...
Looking at that list surely China has more to lose with this trade war. Most of those products are functional products you need for every day living. Excuse my ignorance but what does China send to the USA besides Temu products and motor cars.
Trump should be on the Olympic gymnastics team after that backflip.
Trump said overnight that the whole world is lining up to kiss his ass, and that the geniuses get it, well I wish they would explain it to the rest of us.
Policy on the run by tweets is not the best look.
Btw, apologies to @ indo for my out of line comment the other day for which Stu rightly called me out.
I may not agree with your views but respect the way you play the ball and not the man and stay cool when under attack from multiple fronts. Like most retirees I have been stressing out over the crash and lost it. Cheers.
andy-mac wrote:US bonds getting sold off.
Trump might have just accelerated the decline of US global financial dominance.
But sure all part of his cunning plan.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AsXKS8Nyu8Q&pp=ygUVQmFsZHJpY2sgY3VubmluZyB...
Haha that's a classic. And yes, if the Ray Dalio graphs are correct, the decline is well and truly accelerating at a 'beautiful' rate...
How can anyone trust Trump with trade deals,
when he has thrown out trade deals with Australia, South Korea and US MCA (US Mexico Canada) who he negotiated that deal ?
etarip wrote:Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is the most pathetic reflexive response to any criticism of the Trump administrations shambolic development and implementation of ‘policy’
Your right , “Trump Derangement Syndrome,”
was basically a right wing propaganda strategy, designed to stop people from
criticising Trump, before the election.
But it’s since been shown that people with TDS , weren’t deranged at all , but MAGA stooges were/are .
etarip wrote:Waiting for all the Trump Cockriders to get the talking points from Fox / X / NewsMax and then come on and tell us how this was All Part of “the Strategy”
So interesting to watch play out, maybe his strategy is going to be just negotiating after all.
“Of course no matter what happens those with TDS are going to spill their hate.”
Ta da.
You got your wish etarip.
old-dog wrote:Trump should be on the Olympic gymnastics team after that backflip.
Trump said overnight that the whole world is lining up to kiss his ass, and that the geniuses get it, well I wish they would explain it to the rest of us.
Policy on the run by tweets is not the best look.
Btw, apologies to @ indo for my out of line comment the other day for which Stu rightly called me out.
I may not agree with your views but respect the way you play the ball and not the man and stay cool when under attack from multiple fronts. Like most retirees I have been stressing out over the crash and lost it. Cheers.
Never apologise to someone that cheers on genocide.
solid of you @old-dog, on ya mate : )
Jesse Watters on Fox News says
“China is going to disintegrate, and that’s a good thing, and everything is moving perfectly”
So what are we worried about?
etarip wrote:Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is the most pathetic reflexive response to any criticism of the Trump administrations shambolic development and implementation of ‘policy’
But why? you have to look at every decision he makes through the lens of his psychological makeup. The cats a straight out narcissistic sociopath with a criminal record longer than my arm. How is it a pathetic reflexive response to look at everything he does from this angle @etarip? Unless i'm misreading your post and apologies if so.
edit: ahh gotchya. JUst reading above posts. I hadn't actually heard that term before TDS and it's connotations. Sorry @etarip!!
yep, misread @SR, he's saying those calling "TDS!" or "Hater!" in shrill tones, every time we say something critical about a flat out orange oddball (who the whole world finds weird and is affecting inter-nation trust and the global economy) got old months ago.
southernraw wrote:etarip wrote:Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is the most pathetic reflexive response to any criticism of the Trump administrations shambolic development and implementation of ‘policy’
But why? you have to look at every decision he makes through the lens of his psychological makeup. The cats a straight out narcissistic sociopath with a criminal record longer than my arm. How is it a pathetic reflexive response to look at everything he does from this angle @etarip? Unless i'm misreading your post and apologies if so.
edit: ahh gotchya. JUst reading above posts. I hadn't actually heard that term before TDS and it's connotations. Sorry @etarip!!
I think @ etarip means the TDS is
MAGA s /Foxes response to anyone who dares to criticise Trump .
MAGA is claiming TDS is a syndrome of people who criticise Trump, cunningly trying to make them stop , sucking in average guy .
etarip wrote:Waiting for all the Trump Cockriders to get the talking points from Fox / X / NewsMax and then come on and tell us how this was All Part of “the Strategy”
dunno who the trump cockriders are
and I haven't watched anything on fox news or newsmax for at least six months...
but, it is part of the strategy
I even spelt it out the other day
after bessent spelt it out
explicitly
the clues were there all along
Ding dong ding dong!!!
Dodo of the morning!
I'll quietly slide out now. haha
and nah, tds is real
now...
developed into a full blown psychosis
if you reflexively see everything trump as a negative
well sorry, you're just not thinking things through
bessent even gave the tds crew a warning...
IVV ETF (S&P500 ETF) on ASX nearly 10% up on open this morning.
President of the US is running the biggest insider trading scheme in the history of the planet. And he's doing it by using emergency powers, while broadcasting it live to the whole planet. There is just no way to rationalise any of this.
What Is TDS?
Simply put, Trump derangement syndrome is a derogatory term used to describe a form of toxic criticism and negative reaction to former President Trump’s statements and political actions. The origin of the term can be traced to the late political columnist and commentator Charles Krauthammer, a psychiatrist, who first coined the phrase “Bush derangement syndrome” in 2003.
Krauthammer, himself a harsh critic of Trump, later defined Trump derangement syndrome as a Trump-induced “general hysteria” that produced an “inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology” in the president’s behavior.1 Journalist Fareed Zakaria, moreover, defined TDS as “hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people’s judgment.”2 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-meaningful-life/202409/the-p... ……there is a difference between being critical of Trump and being obsessed with Trump .
sypkan wrote:and nah, tds is real
now...
developed into a full blown psychosis
if you reflexively see everything trump as a negative
well sorry, you're just not thinking things through
bessent even gave the tds crew a warning...
Ah so that’s why hundreds of trillions of dollars haven’t just been lost, on the world’s stock market.
TDS may be a real thing,for a few people ,but attributing it to everyone who dares criticise Trump ,
Is the MAGA propagandists easy way out of an argument they can’t win.
confusion, you're confused
you were telling us for months the market was losing billions, with hyoerbolix gusto... whilst, it was largely flat...
by the time it did actually collapse, the cries from wolf boy had absolutely no meaning whatsoever...
today markets up 10+%...
wolf tulip boy is mute
dude, there's criticism...
and there's criticism...
you're a strong positive tds territory
sypkan wrote:confusion, you're confused
you were telling us for months the market was losing billions, with hyoerbolix gusto... whilst, it was largely flat...
by the time it did actually collapse, the cries from wolf boy had absolutely no meaning whatsoever...
today markets up 10+%...
wolf tulip boy is mute
dude, there's criticism...
and there's criticism...
you're a strong positive tds territory
Right wing BS right there
They carefully educate the faithful what TDS actually is
And then tell them , anyone who didn’t vote for Trump must have TDS,
So now you’re claiming to be a psychiatrist as well, why doesn’t your wing bullshit surprise anyone anymore ?
There you go , your casually cunning way to win an impossible argument.
Haha
Hey Sexxy, go feed the ducks will you mate?
Spend some time with Mr Curly and less on here.
jeffy jeffy jeffy...
I don't know why I bother
every time
so I wont...
but do look at a chart or something
All this irrational buying is crazy. The market will move down over time. ETFs have gone crazy. Especially the USA focused ETFs. Which is even worse than crazy as US companies profit will be squeezed hard over the next few months.
I would but I’ve got a headache
So who’s Mr Curly
Just for interest sake?
TDS is just a convenient excuse stupid people use to not have to explain their own limited abilities to understand Trump stupidity.
southernraw wrote:etarip wrote:Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is the most pathetic reflexive response to any criticism of the Trump administrations shambolic development and implementation of ‘policy’
But why? you have to look at every decision he makes through the lens of his psychological makeup. The cats a straight out narcissistic sociopath with a criminal record longer than my arm. How is it a pathetic reflexive response to look at everything he does from this angle @etarip? Unless i'm misreading your post and apologies if so.
edit: ahh gotchya. JUst reading above posts. I hadn't actually heard that term before TDS and it's connotations. Sorry @etarip!!
Maybe how Donald became Donald. The story of his older brother is quite sad.
https://youtube.com/shorts/I8myxjCxv9M?si=sDxak_q7MKASsyNx
@jefffy, you're giving us all a headache. How about you go and watch Cory Bookers speech, in full, a couple of times and write out a bullet point summary for us all. See you Sunday?
Cheers @seeds will have a watch later.
Here's a bloody brilliant vid i stumbled across this morning.
It'll especially piss @sypkan off.
Two strong women with TDS?? (new phrase i learnt today!).
^^^ Wall to wall coverage since 2016 and you've not heard of TDS till today? How?
^^ don’t fluff the cushions and get the popcorn out SR. It’s a quick short.
The long version is out there and stuff on his older brother.
miss the dip roadskill?
Roadkill wrote:All this irrational buying is crazy. The market will move down over time. ETFs have gone crazy. Especially the USA focused ETFs. Which is even worse than crazy as US companies profit will be squeezed hard over the next few months.
but yes, you probably got the rest right...
BBrowny wrote:^^^ Wall to wall coverage since 2016 and you've not heard of TDS till today? How?
Probably cos i don't watch Fox news mate.
Hadn't heard of Ron Vara til today either, but i guess Syppos all over him since he's been paying attention.
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