COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Imagine being stuck on a Maldives boat trip with viclocal lol, would be worse than the know it all Spaniard I enjoyed the company of for 11 days that all he did was sunbake, didn’t even surf haha.
Perrottet's $1000 fine…what a dick move. A complete farce.
Speaking of dick moves 
Roadkill wrote:Perrottet's $1000 fine…what a dick move. A complete farce.
Question dodging again
I focus wrote:frog wrote:Some interesting facts on excess deaths (over normal levels) in South Africa:
1. Looking further back - the bad news
- 286,000 excess death from May 2020 till Jan 2022. Covid does kill a lot of people - not just a sniffle
- official covid data understates covid impact by up to 70% ( USA life insurance data backs this up).2. Omicron impact - a preview of our future - the better news
- recorded covid and excess deaths way below previous peaks - 5x less and 3 x less at peaks and a briefer period of impact (much fewer excess deaths).https://www.samrc.ac.za/reports/report-weekly-deaths-south-africa
Wonder if the numbers are affected by the more vulnerable being knocked over in earlier waves?
I suspect that is part of it, also more immunity from earlier waves and higher vaccination levels.
Just shows how all data needs interpretation.
But given other evidence of omicron being milder it seems that is a fair part of it.
Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?
burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?
The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
So are you going to get 3 more jabs of it?
burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:"It’s sickening shit and all about money and control, nothing about your health"
Actually Burleigh, I feel sorry for you. Given the supply chain problems, grocery stores are running out of pretty much everything, including al-foil. Hope you've got a spare hat.You did a great job dodging the quote about 2 vaccines having no effect and why are we jabbing kids with it.
Why don’t you answer that iron man or are you a circus clown today?
Hey burleigh, you’ve repeatedly dodged admitting the figures you’ve been given that show the over-representation of unvaxed in hospital and ICU. World class dodger. How about you man up on that front if you’re going to start calling people out.
Robo wrote:Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
So are you going to get 3 more jabs of it?
How can you get 3 more jabs of it, when it hasn't been made available yet?
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:"It’s sickening shit and all about money and control, nothing about your health"
Actually Burleigh, I feel sorry for you. Given the supply chain problems, grocery stores are running out of pretty much everything, including al-foil. Hope you've got a spare hat.You did a great job dodging the quote about 2 vaccines having no effect and why are we jabbing kids with it.
Why don’t you answer that iron man or are you a circus clown today?Hey burleigh, you’ve repeatedly dodged admitting the figures you’ve been given that show the over-representation of unvaxed in hospital and ICU. World class dodger. How about you man up on that front if you’re going to start calling people out.
Not that I’m aware of. However with the Pfizer boss now saying 2 doses does sweet fuck all against omicron all these figures don’t mean much
Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
Ok, so why are we jabbing kids with the original Pfizer?
So what’s the strategy again ? Boost away until Pfizer develops a omicron vaccine in March . Time to up ya shares roadkill. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/repeated-covid-boosters-no...
Australian industries at breaking point plead for help:
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-australian-busines...
can confirm conditions mentioned in health from local contacts. How about those shopping scenes?!
celebrity chef says self imposed lockdowns are worse for small business owners:
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-australian-busines...
"these people, these are the backbone of Australia's community that are out there working, and there's no jobs for them because the customers don't have the confidence to come to the cafes, restaurants, etcetera."
can't see his call for support being answered tbh, no official lockdown so no support, it's sink or swim time in can-do capitalism. Is this what many of the owners asked for during the restrictions? What do you reckon this is the actual event that finally causes the first real recession in Australia since the 1990s? Been musing on that for a few days. Mind numbing that we could go from where we were mid last year to here so quickly.
Dog owner claims trolls targeted them because of cavoodle's success:
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/gold-coast-cavoodle-mia-target...
People can be so unkind.
Supafreak wrote:So what’s the strategy again ? Boost away until Pfizer develops a omicron vaccine in March . Time to up ya shares roadkill. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/repeated-covid-boosters-no...
Boost boost and boost again, then when you’re fully boostered to the eyeballs for a year old variant you get boostered again with something new.
I’ll just eat vegetables thanks
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:"It’s sickening shit and all about money and control, nothing about your health"
Actually Burleigh, I feel sorry for you. Given the supply chain problems, grocery stores are running out of pretty much everything, including al-foil. Hope you've got a spare hat.You did a great job dodging the quote about 2 vaccines having no effect and why are we jabbing kids with it.
Why don’t you answer that iron man or are you a circus clown today?Hey burleigh, you’ve repeatedly dodged admitting the figures you’ve been given that show the over-representation of unvaxed in hospital and ICU. World class dodger. How about you man up on that front if you’re going to start calling people out.
Not that I’m aware of. However with the Pfizer boss now saying 2 doses does sweet fuck all against omicron all these figures don’t mean much
Not that you’re aware of? Dodging? Give me a break. strawmanning and subject changing is your specialty% I gave you the NSW figures, their methodologies and a link to their weekly reports for months. Your answer: not the big picture.
You argued the toss on ‘unknown’ vax status, even when it became clear you’re flat out wrong. Have your opinions mate, but get off your high horse. You’re as bad as the people you’re taking the piss out of.
Vaccination is a moving feast. I’m not convinced about the requirement for vaccination of young kids. I’m waiting on more info on omicron and the next mutations / variants. But that doesn’t mean I don’t see the positives on what’s been done to date. Hey, omicron, things are changing pretty quickly. Perhaps with the current infection / recovery rate there will be a level of community resilience
Your fixation with your own health measures is a tad… obsessive. It’s like you think you’re the only healthy person on here. This is a weird place for your crusade against the obese and unhealthy. No one is arguing against better health choices. But it is simply not enough. What about… healthy and vaccinated?
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:"It’s sickening shit and all about money and control, nothing about your health"
Actually Burleigh, I feel sorry for you. Given the supply chain problems, grocery stores are running out of pretty much everything, including al-foil. Hope you've got a spare hat.You did a great job dodging the quote about 2 vaccines having no effect and why are we jabbing kids with it.
Why don’t you answer that iron man or are you a circus clown today?Hey burleigh, you’ve repeatedly dodged admitting the figures you’ve been given that show the over-representation of unvaxed in hospital and ICU. World class dodger. How about you man up on that front if you’re going to start calling people out.
Not that I’m aware of. However with the Pfizer boss now saying 2 doses does sweet fuck all against omicron all these figures don’t mean much
Not that you’re aware of? Dodging? Give me a break. strawmanning and subject changing is your specialty% I gave you the NSW figures, their methodologies and a link to their weekly reports for months. Your answer: not the big picture.
You argued the toss on ‘unknown’ vax status, even when it became clear you’re flat out wrong. Have your opinions mate, but get off your high horse. You’re as bad as the people you’re taking the piss out of.
Vaccination is a moving feast. I’m not convinced about the requirement for vaccination of young kids. I’m waiting on more info on omicron and the next mutations / variants. But that doesn’t mean I don’t see the positives on what’s been done to date. Hey, omicron, things are changing pretty quickly. Perhaps with the current infection / recovery rate there will be a level of community resilience
Your fixation with your own health measures is a tad… obsessive. It’s like you think you’re the only healthy person on here. This is a weird place for your crusade against the obese and unhealthy. No one is arguing against better health choices. But it is simply not enough. What about… healthy and vaccinated?
Haha wow, I’m flattered.
1: NSW stats are not convincing to me, now I know why
2: you’re making an assumption about SA
3: when the CEO of a company says that 2 jabs does fuck all for omicron, why are you not outraged at everything happening? state borders, cafes and restaurants etc
4: kids, are you fucking kidding me, jab them with a vaccine that doesn’t work. C’mon where is the logic in that?
5: healthy and vaccinated? I just saw a iron women (nutrigrain) out of the first three events with heart issues. You want to join the dots? You’re pretty good at assumptions
6: I’ve done the hard yards, no drinking, smoking, no junk for years. That’s a huge sacrifice for my health don’t you think? Why do I (and others) get lumped into the same category as a obese 50 year old alcoholic? When it’s clear who will be more it risk
I’ll be honest. There’s a few WTF are you talking about moments in your list there.
1. NSW - why? Not convincing? They’re made up then? Scandal! Prove it.
2. SA: A far less implausible assumption than you made on the same issue.
3. What am I supposed to be outraged about? The fact that there’s been a change in the virus? He didn’t say ‘it’s never worked’ did he?
4. I think i made my point on kids. I’m waiting for more info. Effects on healthy kids, especially omicron is not as severe. Was I not clear on that?
5. You’re the one making an assumption on that. Why don’t you spell it out? Was it….. THE VACCINE…? Is that your assumption? Or is it a diagnosed response to the vaccine? hey, I had a mate, completely healthy dude, super fit, iron man type, drop dead from an undiagnosed heart condition. Fell off his bike: dead before he hit the asphalt. Fucking vaccine. Oh hang on, that was in 2008. That shit happens all the time. A bloke from work died playing touch footy. Kaput. He wasn’t exactly an athlete, but he looked after himself. (Subject for another time… I’ve got a theory on what isn’t actually that healthy? Super competitive Iron people. They’re fit, but a lot of them don’t actually seem that healthy, get struck down by all sorts of maladies. If they miss a meal or a night’s sleep, kaput. I know a few people who’ve gotten right into it. Kona and all that)
5. Making good decisions for good health isn’t a sacrifice. There’s no hard yards. It’s just called living. It doesn’t make you some kind of paragon of virtue. Enjoy it, revel in it. Pass on the good word…
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In reference to enquiry into Oz fatalities....{rip}
States are mixing up dates and bundling numbers so none can get a base rate.
Daily Descriptions by Vax / Age / Sex are also less detailed and often lacking.
Full credit to NSW for doing their best in this regard & they do a pretty good job.
6th Jan tbb ran a detailed NSW run....from a neutral base start date...(can go earlier!)
20th Nov > 12th Jan 2022 (Updated Version)
NSW deaths (Breakdown by Vax)
Booster 3
Full Vax 59
Partial Vax 10
No Effective Dose *31 ( re: Combo Surveillance breakdown )
NED (>*70%) 1 dose > 2wks infectious incubators pre: Aug > Sept 55% rise to *70%
NED (>*30%) Unvaxed approx re: Aug > Sept 45% > decline continues to *30% > on.
NED o/s Deaths can also feature but 0% reported during this count.
27th Dec - 1st recorded Omicron Death
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20211227_00.aspx
Jan 6/7/8/9/10th (59 deaths) are not stated > (tbb is not calling them Censored!)
These deaths come on fast over Xmas break & crew respect NSW to sort that many in required time!
To go further...tbb reckons NSW are good to record these deaths in upcoming Surveillance data.
NSW don't corrupt Full Vax stats...that we know of...near all of these will be included.
Data shows Vax 1/2/3 deaths = to their Vaxed % population...re: (Vax = Zero Effect)
As these here deaths are counted they will have already climbed above Vax rate.
We know this as Full Vax is by far the fastest rising group in deaths.
To demonstrate further...one could include NSW % of deaths from Fed Age Care.
Govt/Media SCREAMED for high vax rates in Age care.
Higher % Vax Deaths are also heading towards rapid rising Full vaxed NSW toll.
Fed Age Care 10th Dec - *7th Jan 2022 > 37 deaths (*Updated)
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/788546
Current death rates are the highest in respect of all past Oz Covid.
2 Past "odd" Higher Spikes were Daggy's delayed mass body dumps onto Dan's pile.
All data keeps pointing to more Vax > more Vaxed are spiking more infection & death.
None here wants to be the one to say that NSW Vax is killing more than it saves.
Pretty sure all here knew as much & also expect Media to hide this obvious crime!
How low will MSM go to hide most essential of all facts! Mass Psychosis...censor that!
Happy to share Alt rogue Video by the only bloke that comes close to resolving this.
Geert's 2hr Home Vid is...light years ahead of Expert's morbid Mass Requiem.
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMcDowellMinistries/videos/the-geert-vand...
https://twitter.com/mikecarlton01/status/1481174375215013890?s=21. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/rats-diverted-to-federal-governme.... Private retailers told rapid antigen test orders delayed and diverted to federal government
Omicron has dramatically shifted the tables. Mainstream media reporting:
- More transmissible than measles - a doctor has never seen anything so contagious.
- Bill Gates is now stating in tweets about the limitations of vaccines in preventing transmission and sustaining their effect.
- Experts stating that most cloth and cheap masks were 20 to 30% effective for delta and of negligible value against omicron.
- WHO stating endless boosters not effective as a strategy.
Many arguments with overly definite opinions in this thread are now out of date. As are many of the simplistic memes / solutions pushed onto us over recent years through the media and by leaders.
The facts have changed.
Something that was true or sort of accurate months ago may not be now.
Omicron will quite happily make a fool of those who let it.
Very true frog but some just don’t get it.
frog wrote:Omicron has dramatically shifted the tables. Mainstream media reporting:
- More transmissible than measles - a doctor has never seen anything so contagious.
- Bill Gates is now stating in tweets about the limitations of vaccines in preventing transmission and sustaining their effect.
- Experts stating that most cloth and cheap masks were 20 to 30% effective for delta and of negligible value against omicron.
- WHO stating endless boosters not effective as a strategy.
Many arguments with overly definite opinions in this thread are now out of date. As are many of the simplistic memes / solutions pushed onto us over recent years through the media and by leaders.
The facts have changed.
Something that was true or sort of accurate months ago may not be now.
Omicron will quite happily make a fool of those who let it.
Yep. True.
I would change this line as such
Something that was true or sort of accurate WEEKS ago may not be now
WHO says vaccine mandates unnecessary. Let’s see who ignores the expert’s advice on this .
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/who-says-vaccine-mandates-should-be-...
Blowin wrote:WHO says vaccine mandates unnecessary. Let’s see who ignores the expert’s advice on this .
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/who-says-vaccine-mandates-should-be-...
So now you say WHO are experts? Funny, when they didn’t agree with your bs they were corrupt big pharma supporting scum.
Such a hypocrite, blowin.
One of Israel’s leading immunologists has written a damning letter in which he slams the global management of the COVID-19 pandemic as a shameful disaster driven by “false propaganda.”
Professor Ehud Qimron is Head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University.
His letter speaks for itself and would lose potency if not quoted at length.
“The professor eviscerates every facet of the pandemic response, from the deliberate failure to pursue herd immunity, the futility of lockdowns, and the idiocy of mass testing.
Two years late, you finally realise that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.
You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda ‘you overcame the plague’. And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.
You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (“Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007”, p. 26).
You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination – and you failed in that as well.
Qimron went on to identify those responsible, while also crucifying public health officials for branding the unvaccinated “enemies of the people.”
You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarised the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.
When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries – you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployment you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only“
frog's good posts that omicron is changing things...the WHO and even Bill Gates questioning vaccine effectiveness...our QLD chief health officer finally showing some sanity...
meanwhile, back in straya, the ABC is still operating as a vaccine marketing and mass propaganda agency for big pharma with articles like this morning's, even telling people to get boosters after they've had covid:
They could not be more compromised, corrupted and deranged. I hope they're making solid money from big pharma as a result of their 2 year sustained marketing campaign for them.
Surely the ABC is nowadays operating under a standard for profit media business model like all the other private media whereby they generate revenue for advertising and public relations disguised as "genuine" news articles, opinion pieces, commentary, etc.
If you're already double jabbed and you've had covid, there is absolutely no need for a booster. All this complete madness and craziness has to stop.
@gsco
100% agree someone post this ABC article on Tuesday and it's also misleading in areas or narrative.
"Here's how getting a booster shot can protect you — and help end the pandemic faster"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/getting-the-booster-can-end-pande...
Firstly while vaccinations are important fo those at high risk even for Omicron, we know we aren't going to vax our way out of Covid.
Then
"Although early signs indicate Omicron symptoms are milder than in other COVID-19 variants,"
Seriously we are way past "early period" we 100% now know Omicron is far far less deadly than Wuhan or Delta up to 80% less chance of hospitalisation, literally millions of people have now had Omicron, why create doubt in peoples minds, we need to lessen then fear.
It also says:
"We get 30-year-olds, who are dying from COVID-19 without any other pre-existing illnesses".
Implying healthy 30 year olds are dying from Omicron????
Really???, Wuhan & Delta maybe but Omicron????, if a truely healthy 30 year old has died from Omicron it would be like getting hot by lighting.
IMHO it's peddling irresponsible narratives and its a media outlet that many people trust which is unhelpful.
true indo, and I've been thinking this for a while.
The ABC isn't just peddling irresponsible and misleading narratives, they're peddling their own narratives that are disconnected from reality and sensibility.
I believe the ABC is largely responsible for the complete braindead, mindless, zombie-like and blind rule-following behaviour we're currently seeing in large chunks of society.
Also, everyone blames scomo and other politicians for much of the current situation we're in, but I think it's the ABC that takes centre stage in our current policy failings.
Nowadays the ABC just operates no different to the private media agencies whereby their objective is to just generate clicks and traffic largely by disseminating mass confusion.
Just to help you two buffoons out......your arse is where the shit comes out and your elbow is the pointy bit when you bend your arm. What have you two geniuses got to say about this then? The ABC's fault. Fuck me there are some fools in the world.
"My son works in a nursing home. He has a cert 3 (the lowest level of qualification) and 10 months experience. Yesterday he worked a 14-hour shift. The day before he worked a 16-hour shift. Yesterday he was in charge of a ward of 40 people, with one person to help him. Regular staffing is six people and a registered nurse (RN). The ward contains nine elderly people with COVID-19. The residents, many with dementia and highly distressed, are confined to their rooms to minimise transmission. He received 30 minutes training from an RN in monitoring vital signs such as oxygen levels and was left to it. The air-conditioning was turned off and he worked all day in full PPE and 30 degree heat. The best he could do was to monitor signs, feed people and change pads so people were not lying in their own filth.
This is what a crisis looks like.
Meanwhile, the Premier grins at the camera and offers up threadbare talking points; and the driver of the federal clown car, Scott Morrison, buoys us up with optimistic surfing analogies of “riding the wave”. Name withheld"
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/leadership-void-has-lead-to-a-covid-...
@gsco
To be fair I think they are trying to come from a good place, kind of playing it safe type thing, because that's where we were before with other strains and the aim was to get everyone vaccinated.
But many of their views/narratives are not realistic anymore, Omicron is changing everything, its not the same as other strains, and the vaccines aren't everything we thought they were especially in regard to reducing transmission.
You can clearly see that in the number of cases some of the highest vaccinated countries like us are having the biggest wave in cases.
I just think they are a few weeks even months behind in their mindset, and moving forward our mindset needs to change and evolve to what Covid presents, pushing an outdated mindset isn't helpful at all, the exact opposite actually.
This guys video both posted here recently kind of sum things up better at where we all are at now, and i do think many people are already in this evolved mindset now.
blindboy wrote:Just to help you two buffoons out......your arse is where the shit comes out and your elbow is the pointy bit when you bend your arm. What have you two geniuses got to say about this then? The ABC's fault. Fuck me there are some fools in the world.
"My son works in a nursing home. He has a cert 3 (the lowest level of qualification) and 10 months experience. Yesterday he worked a 14-hour shift. The day before he worked a 16-hour shift. Yesterday he was in charge of a ward of 40 people, with one person to help him. Regular staffing is six people and a registered nurse (RN). The ward contains nine elderly people with COVID-19. The residents, many with dementia and highly distressed, are confined to their rooms to minimise transmission. He received 30 minutes training from an RN in monitoring vital signs such as oxygen levels and was left to it. The air-conditioning was turned off and he worked all day in full PPE and 30 degree heat. The best he could do was to monitor signs, feed people and change pads so people were not lying in their own filth.
This is what a crisis looks like.
Meanwhile, the Premier grins at the camera and offers up threadbare talking points; and the driver of the federal clown car, Scott Morrison, buoys us up with optimistic surfing analogies of “riding the wave”. Name withheld"
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/leadership-void-has-lead-to-a-covid-...
When’s the crisis going to be big enough to reinstate the unvaccinated medical staff ?
Qld has already passed legislation allowing unvaccinated staff to work in high risk areas.
TBB linked to this a day or so ago. (The legislation that is)
I think the ABC has really lost their way over the past decade or so and they're falling for the trap of trying to compete for clicks and traffic with the big online private media companies, and in doing so they've taken to implementing a lot of the deceptive tricks, tactics and behaviours that the private media companies use.
They're losing relevance and credibility day by day.
I still reckon it’s one of the more balanced and less hyperbolic of the majors. I do get frustrated with the shift toward click bait style headlines and ‘filler’ articles.
This is at the top of the abc news website today. https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-13/covid-19-coronavirus-how-o...
I can’t really see any misinformation in there - it’s upfront about the lower observed impact on kids, the difference between Delta and Omicron, it’s aiming to reduce anxiety about vaccine availability, it’s also highlighting the seasonal advantages Australia’s got at the moment. Nothing I see in there is inflating the threat.
Maybe ABC losing its way since it's board has been stacked with Liberal party lackeys and continually faces funding cuts and attacks by Murdoch media?
ABC far from perfect, but compared to the commercial crap that is meant to pass as news????
When it pisses people from both the right and left it must be doing something right
Re mentioned article, I am not going to comment on Covid as not scientist or have medical background, but it appeared they were just reporting what had been said by people mentioned in article and not an opinion piece.
Anyway back to watching Da Hui Shootout...
"When’s the crisis going to be big enough to reinstate the unvaccinated medical staff ?"
The rest of the staff would walk out. They face enough risk without having to work with some unvaxxed fuckwit.
etarip wrote:I can’t really see any misinformation in there - it’s upfront about the lower observed impact on kids, the difference between Delta and Omicron, it’s aiming to reduce anxiety about vaccine availability, it’s also highlighting the seasonal advantages Australia’s got at the moment. Nothing I see in there is inflating the threat.
Really?
It looks more like the ABC is just disseminating its standard confusion and contradiction.
On the one hand they're saying covid is not severe in children, saying stuff like:
"On the whole, most children are either asymptomatic or have a very mild illness, which may include a runny nose, some fevers, or feeling unwell for a couple of days," said Dr Bowen of the Telethon Kids Institute.
"[Children] bounce back relatively quickly … and the majority do not need medical or hospital-level care."
So this is implying that children don't need to get vaccinated.
But then in the article I linked above, and in this current article, they're creating the reality and setting the agenda and narrative that it's just assumed that all children will get vaccinated, like it's not even in question or dispute, that parents are not supposed to think about it and question it - that they're all just going to go and do it, no thought involved. Braindead zombie behaviour.
How are parents supposed to interpret this contradiction and mixed signals?
It seems more like the standard headfuck the ABC presents every day all day.
I'd hate to be in the situation of having young children and having to decide if I'd vaccinate them or not. Very grateful I'm not facing it. I'd lean towards not vaccinating my children.
"How are parents supposed to interpret this contradiction and mixed signals?"
They will probably read the whole article and, unlike you, not just cherry pick the bits that fit their preferred "narrative".
"Though COVID-19 appears to be mild in the vast majority of kids, vaccinating those who are eligible has two benefits: it helps to protect other vulnerable groups, and reduces children's own risk of severe disease.
This is especially important for children with underlying medical conditions, Professor Booy says.
Current evidence suggests children with complex genetic, neurological or metabolic conditions, as well as those with heart or lung disease, are at increased risk of severe COVID-19.
And similar to adults, children with obesity, diabetes or severe asthma may also be at increased risk."
I don’t have an issue with the range of factors being discussed. It’s a complex issue. I’ve got kids, 6 and 4, who are right in the bracket being discussed. The article isn’t telling people what to think. The inclusion of that quote about the severity is balance, right? They’re not presenting it as a ‘vax your kids or they’ll die’. But it’s not implying that kids don’t need to be vaccinated either. Not really a headfuck at all.
I’ll also talk to some friends who are Doctors, both GPs and some specialists before I / we make any decisions. I’m leaning toward vaccination, but there’s no rush for us.
blindboy wrote:"Though COVID-19 appears to be mild in the vast majority of kids, vaccinating those who are eligible has two benefits: it helps to protect other vulnerable groups..."
So you'd be willing to risk sacrificing like a pawn the long term health of your child for the "greater good of humanity"?
hopefully...novax gets sent home today. Fingers crossed.
etarip wrote:I still reckon it’s one of the more balanced and less hyperbolic of the majors. I do get frustrated with the shift toward click bait style headlines and ‘filler’ articles.
This is at the top of the abc news website today. https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-13/covid-19-coronavirus-how-o...
I can’t really see any misinformation in there - it’s upfront about the lower observed impact on kids, the difference between Delta and Omicron, it’s aiming to reduce anxiety about vaccine availability, it’s also highlighting the seasonal advantages Australia’s got at the moment. Nothing I see in there is inflating the threat.
You’re a special kind of stupid Etarip, you think an article about vaccinating kids is balanced even though you now now that the Pfizer vaccine they are getting jabbed with does fuck all the protect anyone from Omicron as per the CEO of Pfizer yesterday.
It may also be worth pointing out that, irrespective of all the handwringing on here to the contrary, the current official Australian medical advice is supportive of vaccination. So the ABC is fulfilling their charter by providing information based on that advice.
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:I still reckon it’s one of the more balanced and less hyperbolic of the majors. I do get frustrated with the shift toward click bait style headlines and ‘filler’ articles.
This is at the top of the abc news website today. https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-13/covid-19-coronavirus-how-o...
I can’t really see any misinformation in there - it’s upfront about the lower observed impact on kids, the difference between Delta and Omicron, it’s aiming to reduce anxiety about vaccine availability, it’s also highlighting the seasonal advantages Australia’s got at the moment. Nothing I see in there is inflating the threat.
You’re a special kind of stupid Etarip, you think an article about vaccinating kids is balanced even though you now now that the Pfizer vaccine they are getting jabbed with does fuck all the protect anyone from Omicron as per the CEO of Pfizer yesterday.
Thanks burleigh. Coming from you that’s a real compliment!
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia