Australia - you're standing in it

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Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 12:48pm

"my phone literally has one app added beyond factory settings"

That app is?

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andy-mac Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 12:51pm

Yeah.. nah

https://m.

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sypkan Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 1:19pm

WA

the chosen app of terrorists across the world...

haha

(before fuckerberg took it over)

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Optimist Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 1:49pm

Had to comment on Labor going after everyone’s super in the future fund.
Do we trust labor’s management or do you think they will just” burn through it “
in no time….
Peter Costello who started it in the first place is horrified.
250 billion of other people’s money in Labor hands….nope…
That is all.

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blackers Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 3:56pm

Do you know what the Future Fund actually is Opti? Unless you are or were a public servant, it ain't your super. There are other issues there for sure but not what you are banging on about.

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Optimist Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 4:48pm

It funds public servant employee super and other costs as well.
It invests in things that make money to save money for the taxpayer.
It made 11.9% in interest last year and is now worth 290 billion.
If Labor gets access it will no longer grow at 11.9%….it will actually lose money.
Just like Labor always loses money…..not saying Labor aren’t good at some stuff….
They just aren’t good at that.
If you ain’t no good at that…. don't touch it.
Jim’s been bragging about his budget surplus ….perhaps use that instead…
Housing can be fixed overnight easily….release cheap land for everyone….everywhere……allow humble buildings.
Keep the developers out of it…..
Then, everything will fix itself.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 5:54pm
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I honestly don't know who advises labor these are 'winner' ideas...

Weird that the same kind of awful policy gets put up in different western countries by different governments at similar times. Enough examples out there, the farmers stuff in UK and Holland, the misinfo stuff getting put down here and overseas. Funny stuff is, it doesn't come from the people who vote in these governments, for who is doing it just read the first letter in each of my sentences...

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 7:02pm

re: @opti's "contributions ^^

Yes it is vital any $$ spent from the Future Fund stacks up but the singing of praise on Costello FFS cannot be left unchallenged ... with apologies to those that have read this previously.

Fact #1 the record surpluses that Howard and Costello saw in government were due to: (1.) being the highest taxing Governments in AU history as a % of GDP given the good fortune of being in power during the 1st mining boom; (2.) selling off every publicly owned asset they could get their hands on; (3.) drastically reducing the public service including sacking staff in the CES, aged care, TAFE and places like the ABS, ACCC, AISC and Tax Office; and (4.) basically stopping Federal Government $$ for required public infrastructure.

Fact #2: with these massive windfall surpluses Howard/Costello gave voters personal income cuts each election and introduced a suite of middle and upper class welfare measures such as negative gearing, 1/2 CGT, the elimination of tax on self funded superannuation income streams and allowing SMSFs to borrow to speculate in housing and other assets all of which ensure Federal Government structural deficits to the current day and into the future.

In other words Howard/Costello grabbed every last $$ they could get their hands on and pissed it all up against the wall and voters are still suffering their structural deficit hangover.

Costello is in no position to lecture anyone about economics nor is his unflushable turd PM!

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:04pm

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

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andy-mac Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:49pm
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

But nothing that was pointed out is untrue though?????

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GuySmiley Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 8:58pm

^^ that’s it @AndyMac

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 24 Nov 2024 at 9:23pm
andy-mac wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:

@Optimist

My advice is not to bother with a reply, everything for him comes back to Howard and Murdoch they live rent free in his old empty head.

Just be happy that we had Howard and Costello to clean up the mess Labor left, otherwise who knows what may have been, personally my only regret is i didnt make more of that golden Howard era

But nothing that was pointed out is untrue though?????

I agree with much of it but not all, but it's all about perspective, you might see these things as negatives while others like me see many of them as positives that were needed like the GST and just cutting the fat, IMHO it's about due for another trim.

Otherwise you end up in a situation like the Victoria government or USA in huge debt or local council's that now charge silly rates prices and keep raising rates when all most of us want is basic services like bin collection and maintenance of parks etc and lower rates

Small governments, less regulation, and lower taxes and less involvement in our life's from the government the better.

We are just lucky we havent let it get out of control like the USA, Musk is gong to have his work cut out with this new role of "Department of Government Efficiency"

Hopefully it works and we see a similar thing in Australia.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:30pm

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

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flollo Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:37pm
basesix wrote:

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

There’s no hope for this. As evidenced on swellnet, everyone’s on YouTube. I’m surprised some of these papers are still alive.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 8:46pm
flollo wrote:
basesix wrote:

maaaan... what a shame. Just as street press is coming back onto the streets of out cities, regional papers can't bridge the few years time gap, before it all comes back. Once things are gone, they're gone. Vote whatever-version-of-trump we get offered. They'll say that they'll fix it..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/portland-observer-sale-staff-redu...
stoicism at the beginning, regional print media at the end:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lifematters/why-stoicism-is-havin...

There’s no hope for this. As evidenced on swellnet, everyone’s on YouTube. I’m surprised some of these papers are still alive.

yeh, they're an exemplar of how vanity print can work well, coupla primary school events, some community stories, youth sport with pics and results.. guarantees a few hundred sales right there.. ads from local shops, events and agriculture.. add a real estate insert with a couple of advertorials and it works. When it starts to not work, you either combine a few, like Spec does with potland, hamilton and warrnambool, or you take the true-believer model where you run it solo, and let people submit their own stories, subject to a one-man editing set-up. The Border Watch only just got saved a few years ago, SA's 2nd largest town. It can work. And it can't. My daughter has just changed from nursing to journalism, eyes wide open, haha. I like buying a local paper when I travel.. little insight/snapshot of a place.

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basesix Monday, 25 Nov 2024 at 10:48pm

^ * casterton, not warrnambool, coupla the oldest papers in vic, they're in argus territory.. if you'd like to read an article by the paper about its closing in the next month, you can get a subscription..
https://spec.com.au/article/general/2024/11/22/stopping-the-press-and-why/