COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
blindboy wrote:"When’s the crisis going to be big enough to reinstate the unvaccinated medical staff ?"
The rest of the staff would walk out. They face enough risk without having to work with some unvaxxed fuckwit.
Welcome back dopey, seeming as though Pfizer does nothing against omicron this comment is pretty stupid isn’t it
etarip wrote:I’ll also talk to some friends who are Doctors, both GPs and some specialists before I / we make any decisions. I’m leaning toward vaccination, but there’s no rush for us.
You’re leaning towards vaccinating your kids with a vaccine that will not protect them from a virus that 99.9% of kids will fully recover from.
The vaccine does not stop transmission either so this seems more like child abuse than anything else
Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
"NSW emergency departments are struggling to cope with surging patient numbers and staff shortages and they need assistance now. I am a NSW doctor, close to those who work in emergency, and over the past three weeks messages from friends have captured the deteriorating situation in NSW hospitals.
On December 22, a hurried text from one friend was emblematic of the pressure on staffing levels: “One nurse, one doctor infected, several staff in isolation, four to five positive patients in ED ... Only one available space to see patients. All just trying to stay safe ... worried about being sent into iso more than getting COVID.”
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/emergency-departments-are-the-overwh...
etarip wrote:Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. Ahhh got ya. Such a wise man.
You must not have seen the Ahpra letter then.
Yeh etarip, don't you know by now you should take your medical advice from semi-literate anonymous internet nongs?
blindboy wrote:"NSW emergency departments are struggling to cope with surging patient numbers and staff shortages and they need assistance now. I am a NSW doctor, close to those who work in emergency, and over the past three weeks messages from friends have captured the deteriorating situation in NSW hospitals.
On December 22, a hurried text from one friend was emblematic of the pressure on staffing levels: “One nurse, one doctor infected, several staff in isolation, four to five positive patients in ED ... Only one available space to see patients. All just trying to stay safe ... worried about being sent into iso more than getting COVID.”
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/emergency-departments-are-the-overwh...
If only the Aus government took early treatments more seriously instead of big business deals with a vaccine that is now clearly redundant.
Roadkill wrote:Robo wrote:Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
So are you going to get 3 more jabs of it?
How can you get 3 more jabs of it, when it hasn't been made available yet?
when its ready obviously lol
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. Ahhh got ya. Such a wise man.
You must not have seen the Ahpra letter then.
How do you know who I talk to? Big assumption there champ. I recall how much you love assumptions. The chats I’ve had to date, with a couple of different Drs (friends / colleagues) have been very frank. Some of them have expressed their concerns with different types of vaccines, done their own research, one who works in ED has seen the impact of COVID first hand. I trust their perspectives
Looks like you might have some comprehension issues burleigh.
info proffers this gem this morning in regard to the ABC " ....But many of their views/narratives are not realistic anymore, Omicron is changing everything, its not the same as other strains, and the vaccines aren't everything we thought they were especially in regard to reducing transmission ....
The ABC is among others things a news service ffs, ie its job (its charter) is to accurately report the news. Since when having a view or narrative is reporting the news ffs, oooops I forgot that's what Murdoch and 9infotainment does for news.
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. Ahhh got ya. Such a wise man.
You must not have seen the Ahpra letter then.How do you know who I talk to? Big assumption there champ. I recall how much you love assumptions. The chats I’ve had to date, with a couple of different Drs (friends / colleagues) have been very frank. Some of them have expressed their concerns with different types of vaccines, done their own research, one who works in ED has seen the impact of COVID first hand. I trust their perspectives
Looks like you might have some comprehension issues burleigh.
Yeah no idea how I made that “assumption”.
Etarip wrote: I’ll also talk to some friends who are Doctors, both GPs and some specialists before I / we make any decisions. I’m leaning toward vaccination, but there’s no rush for us.
As I said, you’re a special kind of stupid
burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. Ahhh got ya. Such a wise man.
You must not have seen the Ahpra letter then.How do you know who I talk to? Big assumption there champ. I recall how much you love assumptions. The chats I’ve had to date, with a couple of different Drs (friends / colleagues) have been very frank. Some of them have expressed their concerns with different types of vaccines, done their own research, one who works in ED has seen the impact of COVID first hand. I trust their perspectives
Looks like you might have some comprehension issues burleigh.
Yeah no idea how I made that “assumption”.
Etarip wrote: I’ll also talk to some friends who are Doctors, both GPs and some specialists before I / we make any decisions. I’m leaning toward vaccination, but there’s no rush for us.
As I said, you’re a special kind of stupid
This is your assumption that I’m calling out.
“So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine”
True or false? Did you assume that or do you know who I talk to? They’re your words, not mine. For the record, not all of my friends I’m talking about are unquestioning about vaccines. These ones in particular.
But I’ll leave you to your fantasies about what happens in my private conversations. I’ll also leave it to others to judge my stupidity or otherwise. I don’t give a rat’s arse what you think about me.
blindboy wrote:Yeh etarip, don't you know by now you should take your medical advice from semi-literate anonymous internet nongs?
I didn’t get the memo, clearly!
etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:burleigh wrote:etarip wrote:Well, as the virus and the vaccine evolves I’d expect that to change. Again, I’ll chat to some qualified people to inform my decision. Like I said, there’s no rush for us…
Or I could talk to a half-wit on the internet, one with a god-complex who thinks eating healthy food is ‘doing the hard yards’. Tough decisions…
So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. Ahhh got ya. Such a wise man.
You must not have seen the Ahpra letter then.How do you know who I talk to? Big assumption there champ. I recall how much you love assumptions. The chats I’ve had to date, with a couple of different Drs (friends / colleagues) have been very frank. Some of them have expressed their concerns with different types of vaccines, done their own research, one who works in ED has seen the impact of COVID first hand. I trust their perspectives
Looks like you might have some comprehension issues burleigh.
Yeah no idea how I made that “assumption”.
Etarip wrote: I’ll also talk to some friends who are Doctors, both GPs and some specialists before I / we make any decisions. I’m leaning toward vaccination, but there’s no rush for us.
As I said, you’re a special kind of stupid
This is your assumption that I’m calling out.
“So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine”True or false? Did you assume that or do you know who I talk to? They’re your words, not mine. For the record, not all of my friends I’m talking about are unquestioning about vaccines. These ones in particular.
But I’ll leave you to your fantasies about what happens in my private conversations. I’ll also leave it to others to judge my stupidity or otherwise. I don’t give a rat’s arse what you think about me.
Not much to assume when you say “I’ll talk to some friends who are doctors”
Not sure how you think I’ve assumed you will talk to doctors after that?
You forget your meds this morning? Or you always this special?
So folks, how's the covid shit show going today? It's not getting any better is it. Shops running out of food, farmers plowing fruit back into their fields, garbage not getting collected, hospital system in crisis. can't get an ambulance. etc etc etc.
Now we all know Scumo is the laziest PM we've ever had. The fact this fucker is scrambling hard for RATs tends to indicate there's no easy solution to this LNP dumpster fire.
If "solving" the let it rip fiasco was as simple as saying "don't worry, eat healthy and everything will be ok", that lazy prick scumo would have done that by now.
Next election, don't forget that this shithead secured RATs for himself, his family, and parliamentarians, didn't get any for the general public. He set up a system where the private sector could gouge the fuck out of Joe Public and then he lectured you about personal responsibility.
Put the LNP dogs last.
No, I’ll repeat your assumption
“So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. “
The second half of that sentence. Seriously, drink another green smoothie or something. I think blueberries are good for brain function. Buy in bulk!
NSW RAT PLAGUE
NSW Today 92, 264 daily infections
Calm down Crew! tbb had informed of this bump last week.
Once again...check detailed News...
61K infections are added from > Jan 1st -13th RATZ
Total remains similar...no major rise!
Carry on Isolating under yer bed as usual.
Robo wrote:Roadkill wrote:Robo wrote:Roadkill wrote:burleigh wrote:bluediamond wrote:Supafreak wrote:Quebec to levy financial penalty on unvaccinated adults. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/quebec-force-unvaccinated-pay-fi...
Madness.
Madness alright, So i can drink drive, eat maccas everyday, take drugs with no penalty, but if im healthy and refuse an experimental jab i'll get fined?
Even after the Pfizer CEO today saying 2 jabs do little to nothing against Omicron?The vax wasn't designed to fight Omicron. Omicron is a new variant, you know this and you choose to just whine away like the idiot you are. An Omicron vax will be ready in March.
So are you going to get 3 more jabs of it?
How can you get 3 more jabs of it, when it hasn't been made available yet?
when its ready obviously lol
above your head, as usual. lol
ABC propoganda wrote:...parents were left frustrated and scrambling to find new appointments for their children after vaccine supply issues triggered widespread, last-minute cancellations.
Health authorities have urged parents not to panic, saying there are enough supplies for all eligible children to receive a first dose by the end of the month.
But the recommended eight-week interval between Pfizer's two-dose paediatric vaccine means primary school children will head back into the classroom only partially vaccinated, if at all.
How can this be interpreted as anything but a monumental headfuck and diversion tactic by the ABC to shift the narrative?
They are framing and diverting the narrative away from the actual question of whether to vaccinate young children.
They are shifting it to being that the actual reality now being faced in society is "parents are scrambling to vaccinate their young children but now there's fear and panic that we're running out of vaccines".
So not only are they running with their own narrative but they're also just fear mongering and creating panic.
If you watch closely this is all the ABC is doing day in day out nowadays.
Clive James once said:
‘The problem with Australians is not that so many of them are descended from convicts but that so many are descended from prison officers.’
gsco, the only headfuck going on is your inability to accept the fact that with vacination rates so high, the vast majority of parents, with good reason, WANT to get their children vaccinated. You are the one who is out of step with community attitudes and the one who is being deceived by propaganda.
etarip wrote:No, I’ll repeat your assumption
“So you will talk to a Dr that will 100% talk in favour of the vaccine. “
The second half of that sentence. Seriously, drink another green smoothie or something. I think blueberries are good for brain function. Buy in bulk!
Every doctor is Australia has been told in no uncertain terms that if they go against the national vaccine rollout they will be subject to audit, disciplinary action and possibly de-registration.
That’s the ahpra letter I mentioned earlier, but you ignored that part.
This is the reason every premier has a nasty smirk on their face when they say if you have any concern talk to you GP
blindboy wrote:gsco, the only headfuck going on is your inability to accept the fact that with vacination rates so high, the vast majority of parents, with good reason, WANT to get their children vaccinated. You are the one who is out of step with community attitudes and the one who is being deceived by propaganda.
Hey BB, did you read any of the several articles about the Pfizer CEO saying that 2 shots has little to no impact of omicron?
If the boss of a company is saying this about his own products, why do you think we should be vaccinating kids with the very same vaccine when omicron is the dominant strain?
gsco wrote:ABC propoganda wrote:...parents were left frustrated and scrambling to find new appointments for their children after vaccine supply issues triggered widespread, last-minute cancellations.
Health authorities have urged parents not to panic, saying there are enough supplies for all eligible children to receive a first dose by the end of the month.
But the recommended eight-week interval between Pfizer's two-dose paediatric vaccine means primary school children will head back into the classroom only partially vaccinated, if at all.
How can this be interpreted as anything but a monumental headfuck and diversion tactic by the ABC to shift the narrative?
They are framing and diverting the narrative away from the actual question of whether to vaccinate young children.
They are shifting it to being that the actual reality now being faced in society is "parents are scrambling to vaccinate their young children but now there's fear and panic that we're running out of vaccines".
So not only are they running with their own narrative but they're also just fear mongering and creating panic.
If you watch closely this is all the ABC is doing day in day out nowadays.
Did you read the entire article GSCO?
I find it surprising you come to the conclusion that they are "fear mongering" from that article.
I'm also surprised you suggest they are trying to "shift the narrative."
They are reporting the views of mainstream medical advice.
That might be changing and you might not agree with it, but it doesn't seem to represent some malign effort to shift the narrative IMO.
I am quite happy to have been vaccinated and get a booster later today. Some protection and immune defence preparedness is better than none.
And, I can't see how 2 "neutralised" spike proteins (called toxic by someone on this thread) can be anything near as bad as 27 spike proteins in the live virus. If two that don't do their thing are supposedly toxic, the 27 live ones must be, by logical extension, mega mega triple toxic. A true vax worrier should be very very worried about covid. Or perhaps the live 27 spike proteins are okay cause they are "natural" like ebola virus is natural.
But it is pretty clear that omicron is playing 4d chess against us amateurs and will outwit masks, social distancing, temporary isolation, vax passports, border controls and expert advice.
For almost the first time I can recall the ABC radio this morning gave advice not of the above measures but on looking after yourself if you catch it. That is what is important now. And fortunately omicron is milder and super fast spreading so we can get this over with and leaders will be forced to make adjustments to strategy and messaging to be more realistic and nuanced be sheer weight of data and massive public observation of the virus effects up close and personal.
How vaccination works against omicron.
"T-cell levels do not tend to fade as quickly as antibodies after an infection or vaccination. And because T cells can recognize many more sites along the spike protein than can antibodies, they are better able to recognize mutated variants. “What sounds like a lot of mutations doesn’t dent the T-cell response,” says Burgers.
So far, computer and lab analyses suggest that this is the case for Omicron. Several research groups have cross-referenced the mutations in Omicron with sites in the SARS-CoV-2 genome that are known targets of T cells. They have found that the majority of sites that T cells recognize are present in Omicron1.
Other studies have analysed T cells taken from people who have either received a COVID-19 vaccine or been infected with a previous variant, and found that these T cells can respond to Omicron2–4. “The T-cell responses remain quite intact, that’s good news,” says Corine Geurts van Kessel, a clinical virologist at the Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. “The next step will be: what will it do in real life?”
Antibody focus
T-cell responses have been correlated with increased protection against severe COVID-19 in animal models and clinical studies in people. And Barouch suspects that T cells are responsible for the effectiveness of vaccines made by Pfizer–BioNTech5 and Janssen6 at preventing hospitalization due to an Omicron infection. “Neither of these vaccines raised high levels of Omicron-neutralizing antibodies,” he says. “The efficacy data that we’re seeing coming out of South Africa, in my view, are likely due to T cells.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00063-0?utm_source=Nature+Bri...
The evidence for this has been building for a while. Vaccination greatly reduces the severity of omicron infection. If you want to argue the point, contact Nature.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/does-exercise-help-protect-against-s...
What did the researchers learn about physical activity and COVID-19?
What the researchers learned in this initial study was pretty remarkable, though further research to support the findings is necessary. Even after correcting for all of those characteristics, people who were consistently inactive had a significantly higher risk of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death after getting COVID-19 than those who were active for at least 150 minutes per week. Additionally, those who were active for over 10 minutes per week had some protection against severe illness or death from COVID-19 — though not as much as those who got the full 150 minutes.
Yeh burleigh you go for a jog, the rest of us will keep getting vaccinated. Of course it's harmless if you're young. NOT.
GuySmiley wrote:info proffers this gem this morning in regard to the ABC " ....But many of their views/narratives are not realistic anymore, Omicron is changing everything, its not the same as other strains, and the vaccines aren't everything we thought they were especially in regard to reducing transmission ....
The ABC is among others things a news service ffs, ie its job (its charter) is to accurately report the news. Since when having a view or narrative is reporting the news ffs, oooops I forgot that's what Murdoch and 9infotainment does for news.
The whole point that has obviously gone over your head because you are too busy wanting say black when i say white is they are not reporting things accurately, they are reporting using outdated weeks old information and not providing new widely accepted updated information as gsco pointed out, but again you ignore his post and others because you have some weird obsession with me.
blindboy wrote:Yeh burleigh you go for a jog, the rest of us will keep getting vaccinated. Of course it's harmless if you're young. NOT.
You’ll still get vaccinated, even though it doesn’t work? You’re in a cult mate
Only burleigh knows the truth! Ignore Nature and all the statistical evidence its a cunspirassy! Ha ha ha ha
blindboy wrote:"When’s the crisis going to be big enough to reinstate the unvaccinated medical staff ?"
The rest of the staff would walk out. They face enough risk without having to work with some unvaxxed fuckwit.
This is the kind of narrative we need to move on from and just accept that although we may feel being vaccinated is important to us, others might not and its their personal choice.
Plus the reality check is:
1. vaccination in this case is very poor at preventing person to person transmission, the proof is in our high vaccination rates and how easy Omicron has spread in the last few weeks.
2. If a person is fully vaccinated including booster they have the best protection they can have anyway, vaccination in this case isn't for others so much but more for ourselves.
3. Someone working at a hospital isn't likely to be a high risk group anyway, old, obese, medical issues, and the reality is you are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person.
Burleigh, again, you have no idea who I talk to or their views on the vaccine. I didn’t ignore anything. I gave you the context earlier. But you’re too thick to comprehend what I wrote. They’re under no obligation to adhere to APRHA advice if it’s not a ‘consultation’. And to date, they’ve been candid on their views.
Grab a blueberry shake and go for a trot champ.
blindboy wrote:Only burleigh knows the truth! Ignore Nature and all the statistical evidence its a cunspirassy! Ha ha ha ha
The boss of the vaccine your injecting says it doesn’t work with 2 doses against omicron.
Yet you ignore it.
It’s kinda like you’re in an abusive relationship and you keep going back even though you know it’s bad.
Or a cult
I see the head village idiot is every 2nd post and screaming the same tired uneducated old lines.
IT'S A CUUUUUUUUUULT.
blindboy wrote:"When’s the crisis going to be big enough to reinstate the unvaccinated medical staff ?"
The rest of the staff would walk out. They face enough risk without having to work with some unvaxxed fuckwit.
Remember when those unvaxed fuckwits worked when there was no vaccines available ?
With some good news the QLD border is coming down 1:00am Saturday.
Now that’s something we can agree on RK
Not even half way through January and we have a serious contender for stupidest comment of the year from that perennial low achiever....Indo.
"Someone working at a hospital isn't likely to be a high risk group anyway, old, obese, medical issues, and the reality is you are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person."
So being in constant contact with infected people does not constitute being in a high risk group? Then there is the assumption that all health workers have no risk factors based on ....what?. Followed by the straight up lie that you are just as likely to get covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person, ignoring the data that shows the unvaccinated are still more likely to get the disease and that viral levels in the vaccinated drop off much more rapidly. Thank the fuck stupidity isn't infectious, you would need full ppe to enter this forum.
burleigh wrote:With some good news the QLD border is coming down 1:00am Saturday.
Now that’s something we can agree on RK
About time to. A complete waste of resources and $ for the last week or so.
Good news.
etarip wrote:Burleigh, again, you have no idea who I talk to or their views on the vaccine. I didn’t ignore anything. I gave you the context earlier. But you’re too thick to comprehend what I wrote. They’re under no obligation to adhere to APRHA advice if it’s not a ‘consultation’. And to date, they’ve been candid on their views.
Grab a blueberry shake and go for a trot champ.
Go for a trot? When? He's posting on here ALL FUCKEN DAY. Ludicrous.
blindboy wrote:Not even half way through January and we have a serious contender for stupidest comment of the year from that perennial low achiever....Indo.
"Someone working at a hospital isn't likely to be a high risk group anyway, old, obese, medical issues, and the reality is you are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person."
So being in constant contact with infected people does not constitute being in a high risk group? Then there is the assumption that all health workers have no risk factors based on ....what?. Followed by the straight up lie that you are just as likely to get covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person, ignoring the data that shows the unvaccinated are still more likely to get the disease and that viral levels in the vaccinated drop off much more rapidly. Thank the fuck stupidity isn't infectious, you would need full ppe to enter this forum.
Obviously you know im talking high risk of serious illness & death, hence why i said old, obese and with other serious health conditions, and if they are in a hugh risk group for some reason then they are not in the right job.
Off course hospital workers are at a higher risk of being exposed to Covid (especially Delta)
And sorry but anyone who thinks vaccination reduces person to person transmission still to any real degree needs their head checked.
If it was true Australia with its very high recent vax rate would not be seeing such high rates of transmission especially during summer.
blindboy wrote:Not even half way through January and we have a serious contender for stupidest comment of the year from that perennial low achiever....Indo.
"Someone working at a hospital isn't likely to be a high risk group anyway, old, obese, medical issues, and the reality is you are just as likely to catch covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person."
So being in constant contact with infected people does not constitute being in a high risk group? Then there is the assumption that all health workers have no risk factors based on ....what?. Followed by the straight up lie that you are just as likely to get covid from a vaccinated person as an unvaccinated person, ignoring the data that shows the unvaccinated are still more likely to get the disease and that viral levels in the vaccinated drop off much more rapidly. Thank the fuck stupidity isn't infectious, you would need full ppe to enter this forum.
What data BB? When was it published? Omicron has changed the game mate. I thought a washed up high school science teacher would have been onto this
So no test or anything, straight in?
blindboy wrote:Not even half way through January and we have a serious contender for stupidest comment of the year from that perennial low achiever....Indo.
No, the front runner for that is Roadkill and his cafe scenario comment.
freeride, the article can be viewed as just a marketing and advertising sales pitch trying to convince parents to vaccinate their children with the pfizer vaccine.
It uses every deceptive sales tactic in the book to do this, from making it appear that this is already an accepted unquestioned reality, to inciting fear and panic and the associated emotions in particular FOMO, to presenting an argument that you should be prepared to sacrifice your children as pawns for the greater good of humanity, to pretending to be a well balanced and rational and intelligent analysis of the pros and cons...but ultimately it concludes that you should vaccinate your children with pfizer. There's even a really nice picture of the pfizer packaging in the article for all those still unconvinced.
It's easy to pick apart every claim made and debunk the whole thing. And that's ignoring what you and other people have mentioned: that this kind of advice is now a month or two past its used by date.
The article can also be viewed as the ABC trying to create public opinion and the reality, instead of factually reporting and reflecting it. Indeed it is trying to convince people to do something.
There used to be a time, back in the good old days of the 80s and 90s, when the ABC was not a marketing and public relations agency for big American corporations. There used to be a time, back in the good old days, where a company had to pay good money to get an article like that published. But now we've drifted into the situation in which they are able to get the ABC to publish advertising for them for free, unless the ABC now also gets paid.
But it's the original article that got me going. It presents as already accepted reality without question or thought, with a completely straight face and no flinching at all, the absolutely insane scenario of if you're double jabbed, and then you also get covid and survive, then you just "just rebook your booster shot" for a later date. It also presents the insane scenario, as already accepted fact and unquestioned reality, that if your child gets covid and survives, then just rebook their vaccination for a later date too. This is so wrong on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start, apart from the obvious that this advice no longer matches reality and is a month or two expired.
I've had my booster and am not anti-vax. But surely any human being on the face of this planet that just accepts this junk as reality without question or thought, is well and truely lost and beyond help or salvation? This is complete and utter mindless, unthinking, braindead, zombie behaviour at the highest level.
We are now well more than 3 sigmas (stand deviations) away from reality, sanity and sensibility in this whole covid situation, and in the relationship between the media and business.
Craig wrote:So no test or anything, straight in?
yep. zoom zoom.
Craig wrote:So no test or anything, straight in?
Yep. From 1:00am Saturday
Keep up burleigh
"Conclusions
To summarize, the study findings demonstrate that unvaccinated persons were more susceptible to infection by the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, whereas booster-vaccinated individuals were less susceptible as compared to fully vaccinated individuals in Delta VOC-infected households. Furthermore, a lower susceptibility for booster-vaccinated individuals was detected among those living in families infected with the Omicron VOC. In addition, there was enhanced transmissibility from unvaccinated individuals and decreased transmissibility from booster-vaccinated individuals."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220105/Study-findings-suggest-spread...
Just read the last sentence if the rest is too difficult.
blindboy wrote:Keep up burleigh
"Conclusions
To summarize, the study findings demonstrate that unvaccinated persons were more susceptible to infection by the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, whereas booster-vaccinated individuals were less susceptible as compared to fully vaccinated individuals in Delta VOC-infected households. Furthermore, a lower susceptibility for booster-vaccinated individuals was detected among those living in families infected with the Omicron VOC. In addition, there was enhanced transmissibility from unvaccinated individuals and decreased transmissibility from booster-vaccinated individuals."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220105/Study-findings-suggest-spread...Just read the last sentence if the rest is too difficult.
Is this the last line you wanted me to read?
The findings from the current study imply that booster immunization can lower Omicron VOC transmission in households. However, vaccination as an epidemic control strategy may falter due to the immunological evasiveness of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant.
burleigh I know you are a bit thick but I thought you might manage to interpret......"..there was enhanced transmissibility from unvaccinated individuals and decreased transmissibility from booster-vaccinated individuals."
What it says is that unvaccinated individuals spread it more than the vaccinated. Pretty simple. That is what their evidence shows. They speculate that this may not be enough to stop the spread .....which is all the more reason to be vaccinated since the reduction in severe disease is well documented......but you just keep on jogging mate and we'll see how you travel now the virus has a free pass into your region.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia