Turnbull rolls over "again" to the ultra right
sypkan said : dont both sides have to come clean and tell the public they cant have things like Gonski, NDIS, good health care, good child care, roads and homemade submarines without paying more tax?
Agree Labor seem to be stuck in a time warp. The 2010 intergenerational report recommended those big ticket items as being viable because iron / ore prices & exports were high, not any more ! Regarding taxes, Susan Lew (health minister) made the comment a while back the Medicare levy is totally inadequate in that it raises 1/2 the amount required. Her way of saying hey Joe lets just increase the Medicare levy, but Joe dismissed option as very unlikely, Ugh - ideology fuck me. Then we have the renewable energy target (RET) where $billion are sitting in the pipe with investors waiting for Labor, Greens, Libs to agree on a new target, 18 months on & minister MacFarlane is blaming Labor / Greens because they cannot agree on a revised target, Ugh....tragic !
Cheers Johno
sypkan said : dont both sides have to come clean and tell the public they cant have things like Gonski, NDIS, good health care, good child care, roads and homemade submarines without paying more tax?
thats actually a line from Mss. Albarici, but yeh I have been saying the same. I just put that in to show there is someone credible backing my crackpot comments.
its not really rocket science though, just an uncomfortable truth. As you say Johno these things developed with a booming economy. its pretty basic maths really. The liberal josh dude said that the iron ore price was $120/tonne and accounts for 1/3 of australia's income. that price has gone down to $50/tonne,, maths so basic even this pleb can work that out, and none of their 'experts' saw it coming, come on, just too inconvenient to talk about.
I actually hope labor dont get in because then it will be Hockey and co. that have to raise taxes or do some serious cutting, it will be a joy to watch either way. So sad things like renewable energy are getting held up in the politics. If they could embrace renewables, it could be a solution to the woes. Unfortunately will never happen with Abbott at the helm.
Time for a rant.. A while back, i was chatting about house prices, about how the Howard/ Abbott extreme right wingers fucked the Australian dream... I pointed out that the price explosion started under Howard... My reasoning was his middle class welfare first home owners grants, designed to get the vote of the so called Howard "battlers".... Some here argued the fact... Some agreed....
Here is a recent study by the IPA, backing my pov... It shows that in 1996, it took about 5 1/2 years on an average wage to save up enough for a deposit to purchase an average house..... Then the shit hit the fan.... It is now 9 years.....
The neoconic hard right tuned shelter into a commodity.... A trading chip... It sucker punched a whole generation of so called "battlers" into over the top loans... It has priced out another generation.... But the most ingenious aspect of this long term plan is what it has done to the baby boomers, and to my generation - gen x.......
For years I have shaken my head in futile disgust at some of my elder boomer brothers and sisters, who in 2004 were gloating over a latte at the Coolum coffee club about their little beach house now being worth 3/4 of a mill', and that they bought it in 96 for 200k..... And that they were still getting a pension....
Well...... The neocons are putting in phase 3..... Over the next decade, they will push for the family home, or homes valued at over 500k to counted as an asset.... The conservatives can then cut people off the pension, due to the over inflated price of housing....
Fuckn ingenious.... The sheep people will applaud without thinkng.... Without looking at the big picture....
This is about the basic right for people to have shelter... To own a basic home and a vege patch and a yard for the kids..... It is now something so sinister that I struggle to even find laymans terms to explain it to the "battlers".....
Out of all of this, the only winners are the rich.......
I can tell you now that there will never be another "working class" world surf champ, unless its a kid from a far out regional town ( not many of them on the cheap side either)....... Surfing used to be for all.... Mostly average working class kids..... It will now only be for the silver spooners.....
Wait up, if you have a 1/2 mil house and get kicked off the pension, isn't that the rich getting less richer? Or is a 1/2 a mil house now the benchmark for a "battler"?
Mate, you should go to realestate.com.au and have a look.... Then you tell me........
In fact, I just googled "median house price Australia"......
The average house is $580 000....
So you tell me , mitch.....
a sheep or two and a kangaroo, clothes line out the back and a country;s that fair and square.
When little Johnny Howard was elected you could buy a nice 3 bedroom home on a large block at Seaford on the mid coast for about 80k. When he was booted out 11 years later that same house was worth over 300k, so it took 200 years to get to 80,000 and then 11 to quadruple in price. The Liberals were all patting themselves on their backs and lighting up cigars for increasing the wealth of their investor mates. If you owned several properties you were laughing all the way to the bank, but if you only own the roof over your head all it means is higher rates and taxes and water bills etc. It should also be remembered that even though house prices were low by todays standards interest rates were 17% and it still took some big sacrifices to pay off a mortgage. We didn't waste our money on mobile phone bills flat screens in every room etc. . When Labors Mark Latham ( the one who called the Libs a conga line of suck holes when lining up to meet the Queen) tried to get rid of negative gearing he was shot down in flames for daring to go against the big end of town as this is the main tool which lets so many very well off pricks from paying any tax. Any way that's my two cents worth for what worth. The bottom line is ,under the Liberals the rich get fucking much richer and the poor don't matter. Cheers
OK fair enough. Was just confusing when you said you were fuming about latte sippers on the pension. Then you're against people with homes over 500k, being cut from the pension. So what's a fair mark now? When your house is more than say, 5x income, you should be cut from pension?
Hey old-dog you speak the truth bro.
Little Johnny Howard introduced that GST back in 2000 & housing prices started that skyward trajectory. Way too much stimulation with family tax benefit a&b, baby bonus, freebie cheques & very little of it means tested !
And I guess 'ABC' sitcoms like 'Seachange' also had a affect on seaside property around Oz & its resultant migration.
PS- Hey sheepie regarding "working class" world surf champ in regional areas. Yep remember the Gold Coast back in the 70's, cheap housing & viewed a backwater for its time, but fuck look at the world champs it created. One great thing about surfing it's the ultimate leveller, you simply can't fake natural ability with surfing or skateboarding you either got it or you haven't. Unlike F1 motor racing which requires a fucking rich daddy who can buy you a apprenticeship regardless of skillset, way too aloof for my liking.
Cheers Johno
Mitch... It's designed to be "confusing"...
1st - in regards to "latte sippers"..... I said "SOME" gen x and boomers.... Not ALL.... Many realized that it's just numbers on a piece of paper, and that all it will do is increase rates, insurance premiums, the size of their aged care deposit when they go into a low care, and.... If they sell and want to buy a similar property that's not in West Wyalong, but near services and infrastructure, and family, and friends, they'll end up having to fork out all that money to buy another inflated house... And when doing so, they will have to give a real estate agent 20K, lawyers 5k, and pay stamp duty on the next property... Plus removalists... There's 40k gone straight up.... Just in selling and re purchasing...
So my point was that a handful of fools were "taken in" by the conservatives, and that the public perception thanks to these numbnuts has been warped, to the extent that even a very intelligent guy named mitch thinks that someone who owns a median price house is now considered "rich".... In the 1980s/90s, if you owned an "average" house, you certainly weren't considered "rich".... Movie "The castle" come to mind...
2nd - Because of this new skewed perception, "Mrs jones" ( who never drank lattes' lol), a 70yo pensioner in her family home of 45 years who doesn't really care for all this bs, recently had her home valued at 800k by the council... This means nothing to her... It's her home... She's been there all her life..... The kids wont see the money if she goes into care.. She can't gift it to them.. She loses her pension if she does... The kids will have to sell it to pay for the aged care deposit... Aged care will take 95%.... They will swallow up the proceeds till she dies... They'll do their best to make her live as long as possible...
So if the kids want something, they best call Dr Nitscke.....
If she continues to live in her home, her now huge rates will swallow her pension... This is why we have pensioners freezing in winter, in "800k houses"......And with the conservatives considering including the family home as an asset, her only option will be to sell up and move to a regional region, where all of a sudden with an influx of older people moving there, local infrastructure will buckle , and she will have to wait 2 weeks for a doctors appointment ( ohh, wait - that's already happening lol).... The money pocketed from the city house sale will go quick, due to her pension being halved..... She'll use it to survive..... So there goes the kids inheritance hehehe.....
Now back to the house she sold........ More than likely to investors like our pollies who own an average of 2.5 houses each. Or maybe a young "aspirational couple" will buy it on 'hot property" for 800k with a 10% deposit, now owing the bank 720k at 5.5% variable.....
As I said..... This is all about the most basic fundamental thing needed for survival.... Shelter...... It's a fuckn mess.....
Regarding house prices; I heard recently that since the Sydney Olympics Australia's population has increased by 5 million people. That's a lot of demand on housing and infrastructure and it seems the supply side has been lagging for some time and would therefore be a factor in increasing house prices.
Personally I think immigration / population growth like that without the necessary nationwide plans to cope with it is lazy economics and a failure of duty by government of all persuasions and levels. I also think this is another example of "market forces" failing highlighting the need for government to be an active player in the economy. Perverse really, load the country with people to bottleneck and then sell off all the public assets to fund new infrastructure on the promise of better times and all the while government just keep on growing the population base.
Floyd... You write " it seems the supply side has been lagging for some time and would therefore be a factor in increasing house prices."
Nah. mate..... Absolute garbage... Part of the scam..... There is no supply problem... A capitalistic myth to make you feel ok about ripping up koala habitats..... It's bullshit floyd....
218 house for sale just around Mona Vale !
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/in-mona+vale%2c+nsw+2103%3b/list-1
423 - Randwick and surrounds...
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/in-mona+vale%2c+nsw+2103%3b/list-1
228 - Sutherland....
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/in-sutherland%2c+nsw+2232%3b+/list-1?so...
1232 - Parramatta region....
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/in-parramatta+-+greater+region%2c+nsw%3...
888 - Coolum
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/in-coolum/list-1?source=location-search
It's bullshit, Floyd..... There is no supply problem.... There is a price problem.... cheers, mate....
Its complex sheepy I just reckon population growth is a factor thats all. Cheers
It's totally overblown, Floyd.... And it is complex.... That's how they like it , so people can't get a grip...
Here's the deal;
From the ABS - 157000 new dwellings per year ( average over 2 decades - june 1994 - june 2014)...
On top of that, we have about 50 000 dwellings per yer becoming free due to elderly moving into the aged care sector..... So we'll round it to 200 000 dwellings per year available.... And keep in mind that this number will dramatically increase as the massive generation of baby boomers head off to "serenity gardens"...
Immigration has only reached 200 000 last year, but 20 years ago, immigration for 1995 was 99 139......
Now..... Each immigrant doesn't want a house. Not gonna get one for mum, and dad, and one each for the kids..... Some immigrants come to live with families already here............ So take an average of 4 immigrants per dwelling..... Even working on 200 000 divided by 4... That = 50 000 dwellings needed per year... We still have an yearly surplus of 150 000 dwellings for natural growth ( young 20 somethings going into the market)....
It's bullshit, floyd.... It an artificially inflated sector... It's a disgrace that shelter has become a bargaining chip.... And a whole generation of younger Australians have been brainwashed to look at a house not as a home, but as shares in a crooked market.... They mortgage their life, take on a 600 000k debt, hoping that the property will be worth 1 mill in a few years.... If the bubble bursts, they're fucked... Australia is fucked...
We're not over a barrel..... We're over a bubble, getting butt fucked...
Fuckn ingenious if you ask me, floyd... Locked people into the system, created an amway style mentality, get people to accept knocking down green belts, force the elderly out of swanky area's, get them to put their money into regional area's cos if the conservatives get their way, these old folk wont be eligible to get the pension back till they spend it all, therefore taking away the inheritance money, and forfeiting into the capitalistic system......
Fuckn brilliant work, neocons..... it's worldwide......
Negative gearing, government protection of share hold trading that takes resource profit from the dirt we stand on, to offshore investors................Hmm,. I'm hungry! My shoes are a funny colour, is that Ok? Let's just say that TAbott needs to look to the heavens & rub his magic rocket and splash his point of view all over the LNP's inability to run a Government/Country/Projected Future. Why can't he get rid of those pesky little brown monkeys, let's face it! there not even in the constitution! Jeez if he can just divert attention away from the the shit he's in!
Why can't we fill detention centers full of refugees and then fill the boats chock a block full of Abbo's and send them offshore. Sound like a win win to me.
Layed down a question earlier: "Has anyone on this thread lived on first Nations People's Land".
It was indeed a loaded question.
Those who responded recounted their experience of there encounter on the mission i.e designated area allocated by the Government for the Indigenous.
You could be living on the 54th floor of the ING building in the middle of Sydney town, your still standing on First Nations People's land.
As I said in another thread, fishlegs, "welcome to the new world order"....
Sheepdog wrote:yeah, not bad, Floyd.. But I think "first dog on the moon" nailed it....
Brilliant! you gotta keep this going Bra. Not sure how you do it, but you nail the topic as it is at the time through picture and word.
Cheers, mate.... See ya out the back one day ;)
Wow, that was heavy bro, but yeah poignant. Reminded me of my old punk music days. I just need to put in a caveat on your behalf.
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Sheepdog wrote:Cheers, mate.... See ya out the back one day ;)
Yeah Caves or Cactus can't go to Blackfellas for obvious reasons.
Why can't you go to Blackfellas ?
Blowin asked : Why can't you go to Blackfellas ?
Refer link below if you are aboriginal this location still gives off a bad vibe. http://kurungabaa.net/2008/09/15/where-blackfellas-met-their-waterloo-2/
"The name Blackfellas comes from a massacre that occurred in 1849 during the frontier wars when white settlers wanted to occupy and farm the land around Elliston. The exact details are subject to speculation though general consensus is that in an act of retribution white settlers drove approximately 250 aborigines off the cliffs adjacent to the wave. Those that didn’t jump were speared or shot"
Cheers Johno
Still don't understand why he can't go there or why it would be obvious .
Maybe he's intimidated by Uplift.
I'd been working the shark boats and tuna boats back in the day, spent a bit of time up at Cactus. Had a day out at Witzigs were I got so spooked in the water, that I paddled in. First time, last time I ever went for a go out and turned around and paddled in, it wasn't the waves. I could just feel something wasn't right. When I went to Blackfellas I had the same feeling, can't explain it, didn't know the history, just sat up there in the carpark and watched strangers getting shacked. I dunno mate, a bit hippy maybe, but at 18 you usually go with your gut. Just didn't want to walk down the ledge.
In hindsight.
SA has done some amazing things to to empower the Nugga Peoples, and as far as their environmental policies go they are way out in front. How good is it when your Local pub can sponsor schools to provide them finance through recycling cans and bottles.
Not intimidated by the way, who's uplift?
You've got to go with you're heart mate.
Uplift is a fella that surfs Blackfellas that was a regular poster on Swellnet till recently. He was a bit of a big deal down there....so he tells me.
Witzig's vision, Paul and Jan Turner's follow through, were a big deal down that way. Looking back there (Cactus) some years later and seeing the transformation from then to now, with Ronnie at the helm, shows that it is possible to turn a hepatitis ridden dust bowl into a healthy environment for flora and fauna.
I know what you mean fishlegs Ziggies always had a spooky feel to it, I just used to block it out.
Paul Turner was an insulated pommy twat with no idea and no connection to the place, was there when they first arrived and watched his wife flower into a great free spirit who wasn't above spending a lot of time with the regulars, odd couple.
Cactus hasn't changed much, more buildings now which are supposedly "semi permanent" bit of a touchy subject with some. Best era was Witzig, pre-Witzig the place was headed for a rubbish tip.
Well the two fatal shark attacks Sept 24 & 25 in 2000 changed the physic of most surfers in the area.
Cameron Bayes & Jevan Wright - RIP
You gotta trust your instincts when surfing over here the GW is never far away, always been that way.
Yes SA approach to re-cycling ie 10c refund on cans, bottles, milk cartons is a brilliant idea. It makes SA one of the cleanest states as a result & creates re-cycling small business opportunities in regional areas. Back in 2007 when Peter Garrett was the new federal environment minister he was keen to replicate the SA model nationally but sadly the large beverage & soft drink manufacturers refused to co-operate, missed opportunity ! Never mind never to late just needs a fwd thinking federal Govt to get the states to co-operate. Bit like banning ciggie smoking in pubs it will happen just takes time, keep surfing.
Cheers Johno
^^^ That you spinksy??^^
It amazes me NSW and WA still throw plastic bags at ya in the supermarket, doesn't anyone give a fuck?
chin wrote:I know what you mean fishlegs Ziggies always had a spooky feel to it, I just used to block it out.
Paul Turner was an insulated pommy twat with no idea and no connection to the place, was there when they first arrived and watched his wife flower into a great free spirit who wasn't above spending a lot of time with the regulars, odd couple.
Cactus hasn't changed much, more buildings now which are supposedly "semi permanent" bit of a touchy subject with some. Best era was Witzig, pre-Witzig the place was headed for a rubbish tip.
Jan made cake (carrot) and the best banana smoothies you could ever hope for, after, and I say this with an indelible memory of that time, the best day you've ever had in the ocean.
Can't say a bad word about Paul. He at the time garnered a Grant from the SA Coastal Protection board to add funding to development (I could be wrong with this statement, it may have been a legacy from previous owners of (Cactus)), of slowing erosion to the ecological system and putting up some fencing to keep travelers to designated walkways. But most of all he gave me a job, from memory it paid about $120 a fortnight. 60 bucks a week, yeah I know not much, but more than enough to live on, in the desert in those day's. Work ethos's was; shit wave's = work hard! Good Waves = work less and surf more.
Yeah Good day's
"Oh Yeah Abbot is a bullshit artist", just to stay true to the thread!!!!!
Is that Ben, the cartoonist from North Steyne? me wonders.
Fair enough mate. Worked at the gypo myself for a while. We had a heated argument with Paul one evening, when he made it clear what he thought of all surfers. He left in tears, was pretty disturbing, will always remember it.
What's wrong with Abbott? haha
Hey on a slightly different note but relevant to the Far West Coast of SA & shark cage diving, refer link below
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-09/sharks-evacuate-neptune-islands-af...
The licensed shark cage operators in Pt Lincoln are asking the state govt to be allowed to expand there current tour location of solely Neptune Island Nth & Sth (approx 40 nautical sth of Pt Lincoln) to other locations on the West & Far West Coast of SA. There is a list of 13 proposed locations in which they have penned interest in. They are Dangerous Reef, Greenly Island, Williams Island, Liguanea Island, Pearsons Island, Four Hummocks Islands, Perforated Island, Sir Joseph Banks Group of Islands, Price Island, Buffalo Reef, St Francis Island Group, The Pages.
I can't believe we are even having this discussion but if the proposal goes ahead one can only assume surfing locations on the West & Far West Coast of SA will become even more dangerous regarding white pointer encounters. The west coast abalone industry & board riders are the primary users of these waterways.
Below is a cut & paste from a e-mail I received recently from the 'mid west coast board riders' association regarding the issue.
Dear Sir/Madam
Re: Shark Cage Diving Industry Proposal
The Department of Environment, Water and Natural Resources (DEWNR) has recently received a proposal from the shark cage diving industry based at Port Lincoln, seeking authorisation to conduct shark cage diving at sites other than the Neptune Islands Conservation Park (see list of alternative sites attached).
In order to better evaluate this proposal, relevant Government departments and the shark cage diving industry would appreciate hearing from key stakeholders in the first instance. The industry has prepared the attached letter for your immediate consideration.
If you would like to make comment on the industry’s proposal, please email those comments to [email protected] by 5pm on 10 April 2015. These comments will then be passed on to the industry for consideration and response.
Government and industry are committed to a thorough consultation process that is completed as soon as practicable. DEWNR has offered to assist by facilitating the stakeholder and community consultation process.
For further information, please contact:
Department of Environment, Water and Natural Resources
Phone: 81244900 (during business hours)
Freecall: 1800 006 120 FREE (during business hours)
Email: [email protected]
I would suggest cc'ing the following;
[email protected]
[email protected]
michelle.lensink@parliament@parliament.sa.gov.au
Cheers Johno
Fishlegs,
Your rose coloured glasses are foggy mate.
Mr Gates has plenty of issues to address , but keeps them hidden.
Cactus beach , if you walk the outskirts, is a major environmental risk.
And he's in legal trouble with an illegal subdivision.
Mr Gates has a lot to answer for .
How does an illegal subdivision happen ?
Just ask the dozen or so "leaseholders" who are currently in court fighting Mr Gates dodgey land deal, spending thousands in legal fees with a Pt Lincoln law firm....
When my eyes through rose coloured glasses reads that, I take the glasses of and read it again eyrehead, hhhmmm.
Jhono, cheers for the info. I have my own point of view about the increase of Great White sightings, attacks and as we know, the fatalities. Baiting sharks into places for the viewing pleasure of paying tourists, seems, well, aahh a bit unnatural to me. Sharks association with the human form around a source of introduced food outside their predatory habitual nature is problematic, as it would be to an animal that has relied on it's own food environment to survive. But they evolve just like us. If we can get what we need easily we will go for the easy option! If that option continues for a long period of time, one would deduce, that! then, it would become habitual nature to the animal and then to it's offspring.
Will follow up with your links and have a bit of a closer look. Maybe the Pro Fisho's are looking at another way to supplement their viability as a business, with the advent of their normal source of income being reduced.
Chin, TAbbot whats wrong with him? I'm hearing you bra, nothing if you got your head so far up your arse that your tonsils are tickling your eyelids, haha. What year was that when PT had a, hhmm 'cry'? wouldn't like to think it a was when him and Jan split.
Back on topic shall we .....
Previously I explained my belief that Australia's so-called budget emergency had more to do with the revenue side than expenditure in defence of proposed Abbott government cuts to pensions, health, education, legal aid, remote Aboriginal communities etc etc etc .
Revenue lost by the natural downturn in our economy and by tax avoidance.
Well for all those who still hold the belief we should nail the people in our community who can least afford it please read the attached link describing how in ONE YEAR multinational (mostly foreign owned) companies operating here in Australia removed $31.4 BILLION to low taxing economies like Singapore.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/energy-companys...
Where is the rioting in the streets on this? Back to sleep lads and enjoy your long weekend.
Floyd - so I guess you'll be working all Easter, concerned as you are that no individual or company is contributing enough tax to the government.
Or you'll be rioting somewhere I guess.
Or staying home and pointing the finger anyway.
You'd be popular at your work no doubt, bragging to the boys that you want more overtime so you can break into the next tax bracket and really make a difference to the governments coffers.
What tax rate are you paying ? You seem to be pretty keen to name and shame everyone else .
All this and I still agree with you that these companies should be paying their share though. I think it's the sanctimonious tone you use that gets me.
Happy Easter Baby Jeseus.
@blowin, its the public's apathy to this theft and the government's ineptitude to do anything meaningful about it that gets me. Australia is being treated like a 3rd world country by these foreign rent-seekers and we are just bending over and taking it. Worse our government wants to pick on the poorest in our community in the hope of balancing the books in, what?, 40 years time.
Looks like Abbott has taken my tip from a few weeks ago re' Will Hodgman and has gone to ground..... Seems to be working a treat.... The focus is now on Blurb Shortle, i mean Bulb Shirtle, I mean Bort Shister, I mean Bert Shuntle.... I mean Bill Shorten...
I wonder if Abbott can stay incognito till the budget?
Blowin wrote:Floyd - so I guess you'll be working all Easter, concerned as you are that no individual or company is contributing enough tax to the government.
Or you'll be rioting somewhere I guess.
Or staying home and pointing the finger anyway.
You'd be popular at your work no doubt, bragging to the boys that you want more overtime so you can break into the next tax bracket and really make a difference to the governments coffers.
What tax rate are you paying ? You seem to be pretty keen to name and shame everyone else .
All this and I still agree with you that these companies should be paying their share though. I think it's the sanctimonious tone you use that gets me.
Happy Easter Baby Jeseus.
Umm.... baby jesus is xmas, ya goose...... Easter is adult jesus.....
Speaking of pointing the finger, still waiting for you to point out where I called you a racist ;)
I'm with you floyd. This government has moved us further towards plutocracy. The voice of the rich is the biggest influence in Canberra. They have learnt their trade from the Republicans in the US who long ago learnt that by waving the flag and dumping on immigrants they can convince those most disadvantaged by their policies to vote for them. In order to get the disadvantaged to vote you have to create a class of non-persons for them to look down on, in the US it is illegal, immigrants, here it is refugees.
Lets not forget the ineptitude and corruption from both sides of politics. Time to get involved instead of whinging about it. Yeah, sure everyone wants to pay as much tax as possible, yeah sure.
The only hope is that they are so arrogant and have such a profound lack of self awareness that they will be unable to stick to their current conciliatory tones for long. Consider the personal qualities of Hockey, Pyne and Morrison, all rabid right wing ideologues who struggle to hide their contempt for all but their own over -priveleged class. Nice private school boys trained from birth to defend the rights of the elite to extract their wealth by whatever means are necessary. Rent seekers hardly dioes them justice. They stand for the ruthless exploitation of labour and the total disregard of those who cannot contribute to the economy.
Abbott himself is simply a prop. He was made leader only because he has a talent for dissembling that the others, in their fierce self righteousness, are unable to emulate. So he stands as indisputably the worst leader, regardless of policy, in our history; a shallow impulsive clown trapped by his anachronistic belief system into an absolute inability to judge policies on thir merits. There he goes strutting around with that stiff ungainly gait that, for all his fitness, reveals an absolute lack of athletic ability.
BB…maybe read the story of Williamson, former President of the Labour Party and how he used his union members money - look both ways. We also need to acknowledge that the tax issue mentioned is not a result of current government. The tax laws have been there for some time - and yes may have been rorted. Lets hope the ATO can get some back. The ATO seems to be having success in getting back tax scams with the Obeid family.
The total amount of money taken in all the various union cases that have come up in the last decade is insignificant. Wrong? Certainly but absolutely unimportant by comparison to the daily rake off being taken by the large investors protected by this and the preceding government. Anyone looking for actual good governance, as opposed to the slight improvement that might occur with a Labor government, is likely to be sadly disappointed.
Tax and super issues go back to Howard government, of which Abbott, Pyne, etc were a apart of, Barbs... In regards to Williamson/union money... Yeah, dirty stuff... A criminal.....But it aint tax money... Robbing from a union is no different than robbing from a company, something alot of conservatives have done too...
Ps - BTW, Williamson was on the far right of Labor.....
No-one got anything to say about the loss of the car industry under a government and high viz Tony that promised to create 1,000,000 jobs?
Slumber away ........