The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

Hahaha ;)
- go flopti go

…ya dog ;);)

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

Optimist wrote:

Nor given any credibility…..???…you re-post their propaganda videos you idiot….even though you know they are fake….your a disgrace of an Australian …your happy living in a free country but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act.

100% agree, it's bizarre that they want the most democratic progressive country in the middle east destroyed and replaced with another Arab muslim country.

It's even weirder because Israel aligns with not only western values but even left leaning more progressive values, while what will replace Israel is actually an extreme version of Islamic conservatism.

News flash ;)

… no one here has ever expressed sentiments of wanting ‘the most democratic progressive country in the middle east destroyed and replaced with another Arab muslim country.’

- haha, what an absolute load of shit ;);)

…and talking of a ‘free country’ and democracy blah blah farkn blah

A free country ? …with compulsory conscription and mandated prison terms for anyone refusing to do military service ;)

So… a free people within a ‘democracy’ who are coerced into being forced to be killers… haha …now that’s progressive ;);)

…one can’t even express opposition to the killing of civilians without retribution or punishment.
Obey or be silenced… they be some interesting ‘western values’
- carry on ;)

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Jelly
I have said before that the Israeli's are desperate to throw out Bibi and they will in their next election .

Not many of the people that they are fighting can do that .

And not all people who are in the IDF have to kill people to defend their country .

Most of the killing these days , are by people on computer screens , anyway .

I definitely view Israel as Western as the USA !

Yep.
- and it’s a dog act to force young people to be conscripted.

Fact ;)

;);)

GuySmiley wrote:

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

At what price?
The indelible stain on the souls of innocent and complicit Jews worldwide

Jelly Flater wrote:

Yep.
- and it’s a dog act to force young people to be conscripted.

Fact ;)

Seriously are you 12 years old?.

Israel has four borders with neighbouring countries, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon then it has states/territories of Gaza and the West Bank...and then other countries like Iran in its region.

Almost all of these places are full of jihadist and terrorist groups that want to invade and kill Israeli's and wipe Israel off the map

And then the nearest true ally is some distance away.

And you want it them to rely on people volunteering for military service, sorry 12 year old boy, but thats not realistic and would be stupid, instead Israel get's pretty much all of its population trained and prepared to defend itself as should any country that is at risk of being attacked.

And yep 100% like Pop Down said, not all people that serve fight, there is countless roles that people serve in the defence force.

GuySmiley wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

At what price?
The indelible stain on the souls of innocent and complicit Jews worldwide

What garbage.

If Israel doesn't defend itself, it get's destroyed its that simple

….hmmmmmmm ;)

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GuySmiley wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

At what price?
The indelible stain on the souls of innocent and complicit Jews worldwide

How is a "worldwide" ( i'll assume you mean non-israeli?) jew "complicit" or "innocent" in the actions by Israel and thus their souls stained?

- ’a troubling institutional reality’.

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indo-dreaming wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Nor given any credibility…..???…you re-post their propaganda videos you idiot….even though you know they are fake….your a disgrace of an Australian …your happy living in a free country but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act.

100% agree, it's bizarre that they want the most democratic progressive country in the middle east destroyed and replaced with another Arab muslim country.

It's even weirder because Israel aligns with not only western values but even left leaning more progressive values, while what will replace Israel is actually an extreme version of Islamic conservatism.

Hey fuckhead. Facts. Prior to the Zionist project Jews Arabs and Christian’s living side by side. Zionist project employs illegal immigration to boost numbers. Locals react. Problems start. Islamic groups radicalise. The problem didn’t start with the radical Jihadi’s they’re a reaction to the radical Zionists.. but all this has been stated before. You choose wilful ignorance of these facts that’s why so many people regard you as an ignorant cockhead. You ignorant cockhead.

Haha ;)
- noinfo has now reached thirteen year old level gumboot intellect
(when you’re level 14 they educate you on the facts of the zionist movement)

…yet he thinks he’s possibly smarter than the alleged 12 yr olds!

He’s so proud of his ignorance he’s got a new hit too…
- take it away with your teen outrage noinfo ;);)

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Jelly

Some more facts .

Sweden and Norway have conscription 2 , as do a few other countries .

An Australian Government also chose this option at a time of dire need ,

I won't judge a country as a Dog for having to choose this option .

Israel IS a democracy and can change to a government that BANS conscription , if the People want .

North Korea also has conscription but their people can't change their government .

Ukraine and Iran don't need an Official conscription , they just drag guys off the streets , apparently .

Maybe I will view your comment as a Jelly Fact ( JF ) ?

Below - another JF ?

…they breed a nice bunch tho

- facts ;)

;)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvir-israels-mi...

indo-dreaming wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

At what price?
The indelible stain on the souls of innocent and complicit Jews worldwide

What garbage.

If Israel doesn't defend itself, it get's destroyed its that simple

Oh FFS
Yes Israel has an absolute right to defend itself
Hamas are vile but they didn’t rise to power in a vacuum
Israel and its successive governments (nor international backers) are not innocent in the way they have mistreated and stole land (against international law) from the Palestinians. This theft continues today.
If the Jewish people of Israel and throughout the world truly want peace they must start by recognising the truth and injustice of the past

^^^ is a complete simplification of a very very extremely complex issue, it’s not black and white you fucking idiot

"If the Jewish people of Israel and throughout the world truly want peace they must start by recognising the truth and injustice of the past"

what do the jewish people of the world have to do with peace in israel. that's your second statement which reads to me as though you are assigning responsibility to jews for the actions of israel. is that your position?

Bonza there has been a plethora of information cited here and in media generally of Jewish people offering support or the opposite to the current Israeli government, if you doubt it I suggest you google it and perhaps start by looking into the ultra orthodox New York community and its reverend now deceased leader influence on Israel’s PM. But equally there are a very large number /% of Jewish people who are fierce critics of the government of Israel again google it …. in my circle I have Jewish friends and acquaintances in both camps, it’s very sad on so many levels

it is sad yes but that is not my point. your last 2 comments implied that the jewish people of the world are somehow responsible for the actions of israel. It's quite possible i read that wrong and for that I apologise but that's how it reads. I don't think you are antisemitic but that is stock standard antisemitism.
It feeds the conspiracy that that Jews control global power and run the world. It blames the jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

No definitely not my intention, thanks for the clarification

cool thanks

"...The Middle East is tribal; the concept of a nation with a national government is a foreign import. Tribal rivalries date back to Old Testament times and have always undermined the best laid plans of emperors, kings, sultans, sheiks, satraps, and other poobahs. The Islamic religion has been the one quasi-unifying force, but it is split and both the Sunni and Shia denominations are splintered into various sects...

...Outsiders, especially those bent on domination, have never fared particularly well in the Middle East. It’s tough enough for insiders bent on domination. Outsiders can generally find compliant satraps whose ostensible loyalty is secured through bribery and extortion, but the average Mohammad deeply resents his overlords and resists them in his own way. No wonder then, that Sykes-Picot and the Balfour Declaration proved to be recipes for disaster.

The U.S. threw it and the UN’s weight behind the Zionist project in 1948, when Palestine became Israel and Jews began displacing Palestinian Arabs, an ongoing process that has accelerated since the October 7 Hamas massacre. Pre-October 7 controlled instability in Gaza has given way to all-out war, ostensibly against Hamas insurgents, but the death toll among Palestinian civilians is approaching 30,000.

The U.S. has long considered Israel its forward base in the Middle East. That imperial projection is now under attack on multiple fronts. Anyone who claims to know how the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and various other insurgent groups in Iraq and Syria—collectively known as the Axis of Resistance—are structured, coordinate with each other, or interact with Iran is lying. However, they are making war on the U.S.-Israel alliance, gradually ratcheting up the pressure, and last week the U.S. lost its first three soldiers since October 7.

The alliance will lose because it can’t win. The only way an outside power can “win” in the Middle East is to stay out. Occupation is the concomitant of empire, but now the costs of invasion and occupation dwarf the costs of insurgency. It’s no sure thing that the Israelis will be able to expel the Palestinians, their ultimate aim. Even if the do, it will only lead to greater instability over a wider area. The Axis of Resistance is opening new fronts almost daily across the Middle East. The U.S. empire and Israel have neither the military and financial staying power nor the regional support necessary for a lengthy war..."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/controlled-instability

The Palestinians in Gaza and around the world are less interested in peace than Israeli’s in Israel and around the world.

The majority of Gaza Palestinians are fully involved in and support Hamas….as are the majority of Palestinians around the world.

These are facts.

GuySmiley wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

“ …. but punishing Israel the only free country in that region….Dog act“

At what price?
How many Palestinian lives past, present and future?

At what price?
The indelible stain on the souls of innocent and complicit Jews worldwide

What garbage.

If Israel doesn't defend itself, it get's destroyed its that simple

Oh FFS
Yes Israel has an absolute right to defend itself
Hamas are vile but they didn’t rise to power in a vacuum
Israel and its successive governments (nor international backers) are not innocent in the way they have mistreated and stole land (against international law) from the Palestinians. This theft continues today.
If the Jewish people of Israel and throughout the world truly want peace they must start by recognising the truth and injustice of the past

^^^ is a complete simplification of a very very extremely complex issue, it’s not black and white you fucking idiot

Funny you talk about " truth and injustice of the past "

The Jewish people are the closest thing to indigenous people of Israel, their history in the land goes back thousands of years, they have their own unique culture, language and religion that is focussed on that very land, and its backed up by not only the text in the Torah & bible (even mentioned in Korean) and other historical text but also archaeological evidence in the destroyed temples and ancient jewish coins from the Kingdom of Israel and Judea era and even Egyptian hieroglyphs recording the Jews and Israel.

As we know most of the Jews got driven out of the land and basically became refugees about 50% ended up in Europe 50% elsewhere in middle east, India, Africa, but some Jews remained in Israel and survived (renamed Palestine by Romans) the whole time for example in 1800 the population of Jews was said to be 7,000, 246,000 Muslims and 22,000 Christians.

And then in the late 1800's they began returning to Israel and started buying back land which was mostly owed by rich arabs in places like Turkey who leased to poorer Arab farmers who moved in from neighbouring areas to farm cheap leased land, yeah it didn't all start in 1948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine#:~:text=....

While Palestine's are a recently made up ethnic group in the same way we call ourselves Aussies, they are really just Arabs that moved in from other areas of the middle east they speak Arabic dont have their own unique language their religion is Islam again not unique and they decided it was a good idea to build a mosque on the temple mount the site of two destroyed Jewish temples. (1st temple destroyed 587BCE and second temple destroyed 70CE Al-Aqsa mosque built 715CE)

This is important to note because 7th October Hamas operation was called Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and they all have paranoia about it being destroyed and the Jews building a third temple, which would be great to see, but would start world 3 so its not going to happen.

Anyway even if every Jew got out of the West Bank (an area that is historically and culturally very important to Jews) they would still attack Israel, in exactly the same way Hamas attacked Israel not long after Gaza was given to them in a peace deal.*

And they openly say they want all Jews dead from the river to the sea, so why dont you believe them and think that Israel is somehow capable of seeing peace with them?

BTW. Let's remember theres 20+ Arab muslim states, and only one Jewish state.

* What the fuck were Israel thinking, like Hamas were ever going to honour a peace deal, they should have at least done a deal/swap so they got a decent chunk of the West Bank, not just given it away so it can be allowed to turn intro a true terrorist state/territory

Anyway its blown up in Israel's face now and they would be insane to let anything go in the West Bank, its much better to stay in the West bank and control what they can and not allow it to also become a tunnel ridden rats nest of jihadist like Gaza is.

… p …p …p …powerrrrrrr ;)

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GuySmiley wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

[quote=GuySmiley

wrote:

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* What the fuck were Israel thinking, like Hamas were ever going to honour a peace deal, they should have at least done a deal/swap so they got a decent chunk of the West Bank, not just given it away so it can be allowed to turn intro a true terrorist state/territory

Supporting dubyas administration aspiration and subsequent failed ideological attempts to promote and install democracy throughout the region. They gave Gaza a vote and they voted Hamas.. a non democratic authoritarian jihadist regime.

That’s my understanding. Happy to be proven wrong.

British / US proposed Jewish State to freely funnel weapons thru International shipping lanes.
Ask! Wot else does US plan to build & trade...nothing! It's all over bar the Bullying for pocket money!
Note WWII partitioning of Jewish state perfectly aligns 2024 Red Med canal. (Always ever #1 Plan)
Pretty much every inch of Canal slots every last inch of Jewish state perfectly still 80 years on!
So no one sees that...(cough!) OMG!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_Palestine_SVG_...
https://www.eurasiareview.com/07112023-alternate-suez-canal-the-israeli-...
All see it...yet not one soul speaks of wiping Palestinians for White Star Line Global Shipping Takeover.
The only plan was for UK/US to Nuke Palestine to exploit Jews for Arms funnelling $20b/yr Toll Canal.
They can't trade donuts or anything of worth anymore so they gotta sell war & weapons of misery.

Ask why Oz bankrolls 50yr Asian invasion of soon 60% Asian Nation...which dumb arse bombs itself!

Suez & Panama block Weapons...Yanks need a Global Weapons Route and Palestine is in the way.
US : "Too bad so sad....outta our Shipping lane, pathetic little people!"

By end of 1990's Jews hold US balance of US Power over both Houses & Parties...(too easy!)
So long as US votes for 2 main parties then Israel owns & runs USA as their private bitch forever!
Until another Religion can out-poll Jews 9% Senate / 6% House from 2.4% Jewish US pop base.
Also note as here in Oz Jew/s head all Supreme Laws / Courts...good luck!
No 2000's party has ever won a large enough majority to overrule US Jewish cross party Voting Block.

1946-2022 US #1 Foreign Aid Recipient Israel = $317.9b (or) 1951-2022 = $225.2b if ya like.
(or) 1971-2007 US "Unaccounted Foreign Aid" re: Missile Funding = $158b

Obama promised to secure Egypt from Facebook uprising Revolution....
But! This meant breaching arms embargo by shipping arms thru the canal & to Israel of course!
Obama signed annual $38b Israel Military Foreign Aid + $33b Military Financing + $5b Missiles.
2016 Obama Total locks in (10 years) Israel Greenbook Starts 2019 > 2028 = $727b
2023 $100m co/op Top Up + $520m Joint / $500m Missiles / Obama's $3.8b/year + Prez $500m /yr
Just rubber stamp wot WMD Israel is yet to ask for... no need to raise a fuss!
+
2013 World Bank stoked up $9.97b International Aid for Israeli Canal. (Open 2020-2060 end life!)

As crew can read...the money simply funds US Arms industry (About 10x bigger than all other)
US / West can't compete with China & can't sell pure evil without WSL weapons funnelling canal.
US needs more free shipping lanes for more Theatres of War.

There was never any Jewish State just a Toll Booth for Global US/UK/WSL shipping Empire.
Same as it ever was...Jews running Global Shipping Taxes.
The whole world is banking on it & will obliterate any galaxy that blocks their Weapons Supply line.
Parting the sea with Palestinian corpses lining the Harbour of new Global Shipping Empire Hub.
The whole league of Nations was simply to bypass the French / Egyptian Canal Arms blockade.
UK / US / Jews as weaponized WSL ultimate Pirate Trolls of the high seas...pay up punks! Said more! More!
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/11/08/american-israeli-plan-to-establish...
https://www.newarab.com/news/what-israels-ben-gurion-canal-plan-and-why-...

Doesn't seem like Bibi wants peace or a solution...
Yeah sure there are some in Hamas that don't as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/07/netanyahu-rejects-gaza-cea...

Insightful comment True Blue and U are really following the MONEY flow .

The Toll Route HAS to stay open for US business .

Victoria Nuland has her EYE on Ukraine .

She is the Elite of the Political Elite in the US .

Only Trump sacked her .

Due 2 personal reasons , she hates Russia ( a Conflict of Interest !!! ) .

May 7th the Russian President is sworn in .

Poland and the UK are wanting 2 get involved .

andy-mac wrote:

Doesn't seem like Bibi wants peace or a solution...
Yeah sure there are some in Hamas that don't as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/07/netanyahu-rejects-gaza-cea...

"Yeah sure there are some in Hamas that don't as well." Some? actually majority. And not just Hamas as many Palestinians don't want peace.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday (Thursday AEDT) rejected Hamas’ terms for a ceasefire and hostage-release agreement, vowing to continue the war until “absolute victory” and criticising any arrangement that leaves the militant group in full or partial control of Gaza after the war.

Should Hamas be allowed to stay in power/control?

Really, they need to have zero say in the future of Gaza

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truebluebasher wrote:

British / US proposed Jewish State to freely funnel weapons thru International shipping lanes.
Ask! Wot else does US plan to build & trade...nothing! It's all over bar the Bullying for pocket money!
Note WWII partitioning of Jewish state perfectly aligns 2024 Red Med canal. (Always ever #1 Plan)
Pretty much every inch of Canal slots every last inch of Jewish state perfectly still 80 years on!
So no one sees that...(cough!) OMG!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_Palestine_SVG_...
https://www.eurasiareview.com/07112023-alternate-suez-canal-the-israeli-...
All see it...yet not one soul speaks of wiping Palestinians for White Star Line Global Shipping Takeover.
The only plan was for UK/US to Nuke Palestine to exploit Jews for Arms funnelling $20b/yr Toll Canal.
They can't trade donuts or anything of worth anymore so they gotta sell war & weapons of misery.

Ask why Oz bankrolls 50yr Asian invasion of soon 60% Asian Nation...which dumb arse bombs itself!

Suez & Panama block Weapons...Yanks need a Global Weapons Route and Palestine is in the way.
US : "Too bad so sad....outta our Shipping lane, pathetic little people!"

By end of 1990's Jews hold US balance of US Power over both Houses & Parties...(too easy!)
So long as US votes for 2 main parties then Israel owns & runs USA as their private bitch forever!
Until another Religion can out-poll Jews 9% Senate / 6% House from 2.4% Jewish US pop base.
Also note as here in Oz Jew/s head all Supreme Laws / Courts...good luck!
No 2000's party has ever won a large enough majority to overrule US Jewish cross party Voting Block.

1946-2022 US #1 Foreign Aid Recipient Israel = $317.9b (or) 1951-2022 = $225.2b if ya like.
(or) 1971-2007 US "Unaccounted Foreign Aid" re: Missile Funding = $158b

Obama promised to secure Egypt from Facebook uprising Revolution....
But! This meant breaching arms embargo by shipping arms thru the canal & to Israel of course!
Obama signed annual $38b Israel Military Foreign Aid + $33b Military Financing + $5b Missiles.
2016 Obama Total locks in (10 years) Israel Greenbook Starts 2019 > 2028 = $727b
2023 $100m co/op Top Up + $520m Joint / $500m Missiles / Obama's $3.8b/year + Prez $500m /yr
Just rubber stamp wot WMD Israel is yet to ask for... no need to raise a fuss!
+
2013 World Bank stoked up $9.97b International Aid for Israeli Canal. (Open 2020-2060 end life!)

As crew can read...the money simply funds US Arms industry (About 10x bigger than all other)
US / West can't compete with China & can't sell pure evil without WSL weapons funnelling canal.
US needs more free shipping lanes for more Theatres of War.

There was never any Jewish State just a Toll Booth for Global US/UK/WSL shipping Empire.
Same as it ever was...Jews running Global Shipping Taxes.
The whole world is banking on it & will obliterate any galaxy that blocks their Weapons Supply line.
Parting the sea with Palestinian corpses lining the Harbour of new Global Shipping Empire Hub.
The whole league of Nations was simply to bypass the French / Egyptian Canal Arms blockade.
UK / US / Jews as weaponized WSL ultimate Pirate Trolls of the high seas...pay up punks! Said more! More!
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/11/08/american-israeli-plan-to-establish...
https://www.newarab.com/news/what-israels-ben-gurion-canal-plan-and-why-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZDDtDgi9w

oh those jews controlling the global powers continuing with their quest for world domination. antisemitic conspiracy rubbish.

Jelly Flater wrote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCtkn9W9GJ8

best post yet on this thread. unbeatable.

Roadkill wrote:

Should Hamas be allowed to stay in power/control?

Really, they need to have zero say in the future of Gaza

So how many Palestinian deaths are you going to justify and are ok with until all of Hamas are killed?
Geez going round in circles, you cannot destroy an idea such as Hamas, and remember they are Bibi's baby to start with.
Not going to further engage with your black and white view of the world of goodies and baddies.

Roadkill wrote:

Should Hamas be allowed to stay in power/control?

Really, they need to have zero say in the future of Gaza

So how many Palestinian deaths are you going to justify and are ok with until all of Hamas are killed?
Geez going round in circles, you cannot destroy an idea such as Hamas, and remember they are Bibi's baby to start with.
Not going to further engage with your black and white view of the world of goodies and baddies.

Roadkill wrote:

"Yeah sure there are some in Hamas that don't as well." Some? actually majority. And not just Hamas as many Palestinians don't want peace.

Just wondering where you get these statistics from Roadkill - did they run some form of jihadi Gallup poll in the area??

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Should Hamas be allowed to stay in power/control?

Really, they need to have zero say in the future of Gaza

So how many Palestinian deaths are you going to justify and are ok with until all of Hamas are killed?
Geez going round in circles, you cannot destroy an idea such as Hamas, and remember they are Bibi's baby to start with.
Not going to further engage with your black and white view of the world of goodies and baddies.

black and white is more you.
All you ever say is "So how many Palestinian deaths are you going to justify and are ok with until all of Hamas are killed" it's just a blanket statement with zero care offered for future Palestinians...you are just suggestion Israel stops and Hamas gets to stay in power.

The Palestinians get to remain under control of a bunch of murdering thugs that have no care towards the population of Gaza...they will just keep stealing the resources and finances that belong to Palestinians. They will keep murdering those that oppose them. They will keep Gaza as a miserable shit hole with no future, girls will remain uneducated, woman will remain held down, hate and jihad will remain as the Hamas main focus, boys will remain as canon fodder and pawns.

Bibi needs to go, clearly.

What sort of future do you think Hamas will provide? Will Hamas change under a new peace deal?

garyg1412 wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

"Yeah sure there are some in Hamas that don't as well." Some? actually majority. And not just Hamas as many Palestinians don't want peace.

Just wondering where you get these statistics from Roadkill - did they run some form of jihadi Gallup poll in the area??

already sounding biased and closed there gary. It's easily proven through multiple sources...seriously..it's so easy to find this info, Try it

It's up around 70% support of Palestinians support Hamas. And the majority are supportive of the Oct & attacks on Israel.

The other thing worth noting, gary.
Nearly every family in Gaza has a member that is an active Hamas fighter or a fighter that is not with Hamas. There are so few families not involved in hate and wanting peace it hardly registers as a statistic.

RK” The Palestinians get to remain under control of a bunch of murdering thugs that have no care towards the population of Gaza...they will just keep stealing the resources and finances that belong to Palestinians. They will keep murdering those that oppose them. “

You pretty much described what Isreal is currently doing in Gaza and what they where doing prior to Oct 7. In regards to the control of and theft of resources in Gaza and the Golan heights.

But it doesn’t fit the Hasbara that you and your cockhead mate (info) seem to gobble up.

TBB, always a deep diver. And you flippantly write his contribution off too. No one on here bases their posts deeper in facts and research. And you with your made up statistics and suppositions based in nothing but bias writ his contribution off. You’re as big of an ignorant cockhead as Info. Roll on Dill.

RK” The Palestinians get to remain under control of a bunch of murdering thugs that have no care towards the population of Gaza...they will just keep stealing the resources and finances that belong to Palestinians. They will keep murdering those that oppose them. “

You pretty much described what Isreal is currently doing in Gaza and what they where doing prior to Oct 7. In regards to the control of and theft of resources in Gaza and the Golan heights.

But it doesn’t fit the Hasbara that you and your cockhead mate (info) seem to gobble up.

TBB, always a deep diver. And you flippantly write his contribution off too. No one on here bases their posts deeper in facts and research. And you with your made up statistics and suppositions based in nothing but bias writ his contribution off. You’re as big of an ignorant cockhead as Info. Roll on Dill.

personally I would rate The Guardian's reporting of this ME ordeal as the most blatantly, unashamedly, disgracefully biased out of all the MSN, apart from and second only to Al Jazeera.

Neither are valid, trustworthy or reliable media outlets. They're just blatant propaganda dissemination bureaus, each in their own unique way and pushing their own unique agendas and ideological bias.

What the above article is really referring to is a blatant attempt by Hamas to regroup, restock and reinforce its power, authority and stranglehold over Gaza; it's not a peace or ceasefire proposal.

Yet Hamas is wining the information war since the situation is being sold by many MSN outlets, including The Guardian and Al Jazeera, as a ceasefire or peace proposal that is being rejected by Israel. There's actually even people falling for this Hamas information war tactic and saying things like "Israel isn't interested in peace but Hamas is" etc.

Things couldn't be any more deranged.

But it's definitely fascinating to observe it play out.

gsco mkII wrote:

personally I would rate The Guardian's reporting of this ME ordeal as the most blatantly, unashamedly, disgracefully biased out of all the MSN, apart from and second only to Al Jazeera.

Neither are valid, trustworthy or reliable media outlets. They're just blatant propaganda dissemination bureaus, each in their own unique way and pushing their own unique agendas and ideological bias.

What the above article is really referring to is a blatant attempt by Hamas to regroup, restock and reinforce its power, authority and stranglehold over Gaza; it's not a peace or ceasefire proposal.

Yet Hamas is wining the information war since the situation is being sold by many MSN outlets, including The Guardian and Al Jazeera, as a ceasefire or peace proposal that is being rejected by Israel. There's actually even people falling for this Hamas information war tactic and saying things like "Israel isn't interested in peace but Hamas is" etc.

Things couldn't be any more deranged.

But it's definitely fascinating to observe it play out.

"is a blatant attempt by Hamas to regroup, restock and reinforce its power, authority and stranglehold over Gaza; it's not a peace or ceasefire proposal."

100% correct.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-a...

https://open.substack.com/pub/michelchossudovsky/p/wiping-gaza-off-map-b...