Next Federal Election
Last time I checked, Lithium batteries in Australia were being recycled at 10% and overseas 5%….thats a lot of waste.
Lead acid batteries are being recycled at 95% so perhaps even though less efficient, we should go back to the old school backup systems which also use less other critical minerals.
Lead acid battery banks can be put together easily and cheaply and if not over discharged ( no more than 25% at a time) can last up to 10 years.
I’m going lead acid on my home and treating it really like a big mobile home with solar and mains charging. I don’t see the point in over priced over taxpayer subsidised lithium systems from China that can catch fire and be hard to recycle.
Most people could run an solar charged auxiliary power system through their house off common mobile home type inverters using a different coloured cable to the house cabling….free power.
We did it years ago in our little off grid surf shacks with the cars battery so I can’t see why upscaling is an issue…
For a few years in the early days I’d pull up at my shack and connect jumper leads from the car to my house cable and enjoy 12v lighting 12v TV and a thumping alpine car stereo mounted in a box in the lounge area…
So if you try you can have free power ….where there’s a will there’s a way.
You make some good points.
Lithium batteries make sense in many circumstance's like EV's but yeah for household system's the advantage's aren't as big, it not like you need that fast charge, or limited so much in weight and even size of batteries, acid batteries still do need more maintenance though and less efficient. (but assuming if cheaper)
Battery's overall though are pretty shitty things, expensive and limited life.
BTW. i think you can get proper acid batteries for solar set ups, when i lived at Fraser island most houses had solar with batteries and a generator.
If they can drastically reduce the price tag then this would be awesome , particularly for the trucking industry that Australia relies heavily upon . https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240130-wireless-charging-the-roads-...
Supafreak wrote:If they can drastically reduce the price tag then this would be awesome , particularly for the trucking industry that Australia relies heavily upon . https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240130-wireless-charging-the-roads-...
Another Tesla's (Nikola Tesla) idea coming to life.
Fair Dinkum Aussie [L] Media Darlings Blue Sky Mine Field
Expert Panel of Worm Turners
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/ca2c8723e4a53e68637326448ea6...
Tues 8th April 2025 [7:30pm]
Sky is Falling Debate > prejudiced by Sky [L] Nazi Kieran Gilbert
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/federal-election-2025...
https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2019/10/21/2019-10-21-kieran-gilbert-beco...
Wed 16th April 2025 [8:00pm]
Sky is Caving in Debate > skewed by Sky [L] Nazi David Speers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-03/abc-to-host-election-leaders-deba...
https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/05/24/david-speers-insiders-sky/
So [L] Sky Media Nazi Darlings Bully the Debates...did any really expect any partial Media Partiality...Huh!
Apology for upping the Nazi rhetoric but why only roll out these Sky Guys with evil eyes...
That sounds a bit nicer tbb...ya think!
Breaking News : Ouch!
Dutto : "Typical...Our weak limbed PM takes a tumble...
Walking Disaster is not fit for the rigors of the hustings!"
Recall Scomo's childish Footy Bash > Trump's Shoot out > Albo Bullied off stage....up he pops!
Does a Shimmy Shake...good to go!
https://7news.com.au/news/prime-minister-anthony-albanese-takes-a-tumble...
ALP Shop Cart : You have selected 1 Tin of Toto's Shimmy Shake Flea Powder!
Is that on the PBS?
Optimist wrote:Last time I checked, Lithium batteries in Australia were being recycled at 10% and overseas 5%….thats a lot of waste.
Lead acid batteries are being recycled at 95% so perhaps even though less efficient, we should go back to the old school backup systems which also use less other critical minerals.
Lead acid battery banks can be put together easily and cheaply and if not over discharged ( no more than 25% at a time) can last up to 10 years.
I’m going lead acid on my home and treating it really like a big mobile home with solar and mains charging. I don’t see the point in over priced over taxpayer subsidised lithium systems from China that can catch fire and be hard to recycle.
Most people could run an solar charged auxiliary power system through their house off common mobile home type inverters using a different coloured cable to the house cabling….free power.
We did it years ago in our little off grid surf shacks with the cars battery so I can’t see why upscaling is an issue…
For a few years in the early days I’d pull up at my shack and connect jumper leads from the car to my house cable and enjoy 12v lighting 12v TV and a thumping alpine car stereo mounted in a box in the lounge area…
So if you try you can have free power ….where there’s a will there’s a way.
Optimist. Hi mate.
Glad to hear you’ve had and got PV and battery systems .
I’ve a mix of Lithium and Lead Acid.
Just to clarify, it’s Lithium ion batteries that are the ones periodically catching fire.
Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are the ones campers and boating people are using, including myself.
I’ve four connected so I’ve ended up with 48V, I can run a 3000W inverter and use any electrical appliance I like even if I’m way out in the boon dogs.
The personal technology available today is outstanding. AW
What're boon dogs AW?
Are they friendly canines that keep you warrm whilst camping in the boondocks.
Inside a broken clock
Splashing the wine
With all the Boon Dogs
For I am a Boon Dog, too.
AlfredWallace wrote:Optimist wrote:Last time I checked, Lithium batteries in Australia were being recycled at 10% and overseas 5%….thats a lot of waste.
Lead acid batteries are being recycled at 95% so perhaps even though less efficient, we should go back to the old school backup systems which also use less other critical minerals.
Lead acid battery banks can be put together easily and cheaply and if not over discharged ( no more than 25% at a time) can last up to 10 years.
I’m going lead acid on my home and treating it really like a big mobile home with solar and mains charging. I don’t see the point in over priced over taxpayer subsidised lithium systems from China that can catch fire and be hard to recycle.
Most people could run an solar charged auxiliary power system through their house off common mobile home type inverters using a different coloured cable to the house cabling….free power.
We did it years ago in our little off grid surf shacks with the cars battery so I can’t see why upscaling is an issue…
For a few years in the early days I’d pull up at my shack and connect jumper leads from the car to my house cable and enjoy 12v lighting 12v TV and a thumping alpine car stereo mounted in a box in the lounge area…
So if you try you can have free power ….where there’s a will there’s a way.Optimist. Hi mate.
Glad to hear you’ve had and got PV and battery systems .
I’ve a mix of Lithium and Lead Acid.Just to clarify, it’s Lithium ion batteries that are the ones periodically catching fire.
Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are the ones campers and boating people are using, including myself.
I’ve four connected so I’ve ended up with 48V, I can run a 3000W inverter and use any electrical appliance I like even if I’m way out in the boon dogs.
The personal technology available today is outstanding. AW
Hmm i didnt know that, looking at the difference between them all Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries seem a good middle ground.
Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction
Chinese Downunder-Ditch-Antarctic Itinerary (#1 swellnet exclusive)
Crew can read many updated renditions tbb prepared in time for Election.
Somehow tbb knew this was gonna be a thing...all saw it building...just getting up to date!
Anyhow...crew are now well informed of Chinese > Oz-NZ Shipping
Sure! All know this is our Media's Job...again...just forget them...fucking useless!
Seriously...this Chart would be standard for past News / Electoral Supplements..
Oz Govt < NZ > Chinese Naval Defence Exercises span 12 years over 50,000sq km of Ocean
Forward...AASAM (International Military Games)
Active field assault targets > favours shorter armed shooters...Usually 1st Indo 2nd China
Possible reason for banning China from ADF Comps...see photo...( Dutto's kinda Chinese Invasion )
https://au.pinterest.com/pin/341218109248906811/
Pretty scary huh...Libs arming Chinese Flagged Troops staking claims on our burbs...
No! The media are too afraid to share Dutto's pro Chinese Defence Pact Policy.
tbb prefers keeping Chinese Navy sailing well offshore > Dutto plants Reds under our beds!
Noting there are also former Chinese / Oz Air Force Pacts
Training Chinese Jet Fighter Pilots (Covid Period > Now Banned)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-14/federal-court-challenge-launched-...
Monash University Aero Dynamic STEM Partnerships COMAC (Under Review with Port/s)
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/albanese-promises-fresh-review-to-k...
2013-2025 China -Oz-NZ Oceanic Calendar
Jan Arctic Return-Refuel
Feb Arctic Return-Refuel
Mar / April (Logistics switch from Southern > Northern Chinese Cycle)
May AASAM (Victoria-Live Fire Exercise Comp & Medal Awards)
June RIMPAC (Pac-US Live Fire Naval Fleets)
July Talisman SABRE (Unofficial default Observer)
Aug PANDAROO (NT/Qld) + Airforce Training Unit
Sept KOWARI (NSW Sydney Harbour - Canberra - Chinese Ports)
Oct KAKADU (WA/NT) Naval Exercise in Oz Top Secret Economic Zone.
Oct Naval Conference/s Sydney
Nov Antarctic Port Supplies
Dec Antarctic Ports Supplies
Timeline Itinerary
Jan 2013 Hobart invites Chinese for Antarctic Base Port (First Visit)
2014
June 2014 China joins Oz in RIMPAC Naval Exercises
Nov PM Abbott invites Xi Jinping & signs MoU Hobart-Chinese Antarctic Expedition base
2015 [L] Govt invite partner China in 3 Joint Defence Live-fire Exercises
April [L] PM Abbott leases 50% $1.75b 98 yr Chinese lease for Port of Newcastle
Aug [L] PM Abbott invites China for PANDAROO Maritime Rotational Force
Oct [L] PM Turnbull leases 100% $ 506m 99 yr Chinese lease for Port of Darwin
2016 [L] Govt invite partner China in 5 Joint Defence Live-fire Exercises
April China joins Oz in RIMPAC Naval Exercises
June Brisbane [L] PM Turnbull welcomes Chinese Navy
July [L] PM Turnbull rubberstamps Chinese Lease for PNG Port Lae
Sept [L] PM Turnbull leases 20% $1.2b 50 yr Chinese lease for Port of Melbourne
2017 [L] Govt invite partner China in 4 Joint Defence Live-fire Exercises
June NZ Auckland welcome Chinese for Joint Warship Exercises
July [L] PM Turnbull rubberstamps Chinese Lease for Timor Port Tibor
July Chinese Navy self appointed Monitors of All Qld Talisman Sabre Naval Exercises
Sept China invites Oz to Yunnan /Port + Barracks for KOWARI Coastal Exercises
2018 [L] Govt invite partner China in 4 Joint Defence Live-fire Exercises
Sept [L] PM Morrison invites China to Join KAKADU Naval Exercises
Sept [L] Oz joins Chinese Joint Naval Passage Exercises in Zhanjiang
Sept Chinese Ice Breaker ports in Hobart
Nov Chinese Antarctic Ship in Hobart
2019 [L] Govt invite partner China in 4 Joint Defence Live-fire Exercises
Jan Chinese New Year Powerbrokers bankroll [L] Election
Feb [L] Chinese Multi $Million Darwin Port Rorter [L] Robb quits before register exposes him!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-robb-quits-china-linked-f...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-19/can-darwin-port-99-year-lease-chi...
April Oz Navy attends Red Army 70th Anniversary
June Armed Chinese Naval Fleet Invades Sydney Harbour
Oct Chinese Navy attend Sydney Naval Conference
Oct China invites Oz for KOWARI on Hainan Island
Oct PNG > Japan/NZ crew board > Wellington welcomes Chinese Naval Ship
Nov Chinese Antarctic Ship in Hobart
Covid ended Oz-China Military Exercises...(US-China Defence Exercises continued online)
2020
March Chinese Antarctic Research Ship arrives in Hobart
Dec Christchurch welcomes Chinese Antarctic Ship (Drone - Gift)
https://www.lpc.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/LPC0440-LPC-Update-Dec-...
2021
Aug Chinese Navy Spy Ship enters Darwin EEZ > Sydney> NZ circles Oz over 3 weeks (see also 2025)
PM: "Unusual to visit outside of Exercises + Dutto is suspicious but asks to play it down!"
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinese-spy-ship-...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-26/australia-will-not-complain-about...
2022
Jan New Chinese Ambassador (See Dutto's mate!)
May (Fed Election) Chinese Navy breaches Exmouth EEZ Defence Precinct
https://www.twz.com/chinese-spy-ship-makes-first-appearance-near-austral...
Election Debate over Port of Darwin
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/handling-of-darwin-port-lease-a-fiasco...
June New ALP Govt promise to revisit Port of Darwin
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/albanese-promises-fresh-review-to-k...
Sept Chinese Navy self appointed monitors of KAKADU Exercises
Dec Christchurch Chinese Research Ship arrives for Deep Trench > Antarctica
2023
Nov Fremantle welcomes Chinese Antarctic Ship/s
NZ Christchurch welcomes Chinese Antarctic Ship
Dec NZ Christchurch welcomes Chinese Antarctic Ship
2024
Nov Hobart welcomes Chinese Antarctic Research Ship
Nov Dutto secretly discusses Oz security with Chinese Ambassador...making Aussies nervous!
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/peter-dutton-meets-wi...
2025
Jan > March NZ Wellington welcomes Chinese Trench Research Ship
Feb Oz - Chinese Defence dialogue recommences
Feb Dutto meets with his fav banned Chinese $Gazillionaire/s to Plot Oz Invasion
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ccp-linked-casino-high-roller-at...
Feb Chinese Navy Sonar Tests conduct Live Fire Exercises survey Oz Continent
March...Day 1 of electoral campaign [L] Leader wines & dines wealthy Chinese Backers
To celebrate [L] Chinese Defence Partnership Dutto orders # Chinese election invasion special .
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/c750f4942d47121e3e3d52cd21c4c158?...
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-calls-dutton-a-copycat-...
March NZ Chinese Research Vessel Discovery 1 invades Oz Waters during Election
5 April : Dutto has another secret meeting with his [L] Campaign Manager Xiao Qian
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhFfX8IaUAEmRLq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Albo says it's very strange that Dutto is campaigning for banned Chinese Gazillionaires / Ambassadors
April Oz caretaker ALP + Xiao Qian [L] Party campaign to buy back [L] Leased Port of Darwin
https://au.news.yahoo.com/tensions-simmer-port-row-201305953.html
29 Mar 2025 Back on Track (Vote for your Qld Chinese [L] Senate Candidates 5 Li / 6 Zhuang)
Dutto/Qld Sen Paul Scarr are promising a Mega Qld Chinese a Museum if you Elect a Chinese [L] Govt
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/mar/28/australia-electio...
We Chat : "Vote Dutto for Back Track to Yummy [L] Gazillionaire Golden Ticket Showers!"
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/02/candidates-using-...
Spud following in scumo’s footsteps when it comes to playing footy and injuring others.Meanwhile, in spuds home state Albo surveys the flood damage with 100 million support. Spud and scumo have similar priorities when Australia faces natural disasters MIA is the liberal way . https://www.9news.com.au/national/tv-cameraman-injured-by-wayward-footy-.... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-05/funding-for-flood-affected-wester...
Sunday Bloody Sunday [ Made in China ]
No sooner than tbb compiled the above Chinese Whispers...careful tbb...we musn't go there, it's taboo!
ABC having problems again with Albo Live Cross again, again...back to SkyBC 24/7 Disaster Alert+
Wotz SkyBC Disaster Alert+ = Sky ABC Executive's 24/7 Dutto + (Chinese Midas Touch Shock Tactics!)
2022 Federal Election sneakily doubled Asian Members in Parliament...of course it did! Who said that!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/asian-representation-in-parliament-h...
Ok..All are up to speed with evil Faceless Men redrawing boundaries & Stacking Chinese MP Stooges.
So no surprise that Swing Seats can now deliver the Balance of Power to Chinese Dictators.
No need for Parties to sacrifice Star Power...
Just pit #89 Special (vs) # 98 Special to best formulate Govt's Happy Ending High Rollers Policy.
Wots New in Chinese Takeaway
Federal Electoral Constituents already surrendered or sold out to the Chinese.
SkyBC (Sunday Special Supplement!)
[ Tangney ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Tangney#/media/File:Dorothy_Tangne...
Swan River (Where them posh people spit on Wavepools)
ALP namesake is ordinarily a safe wealthy [L] Seat
2021 Chinese 16.5% (1/3 of WA Dispora) 2021-2024 Record Perth Asian Influx > (2025) 20+% easy!
2017 ONP recycles same lone WA Asian Candidate for all WA elections
2022 Tshung-Hui Chang
https://theaimn.com/exclusive-chatting-tshung-chang-ran-one-nation-candi...
https://www.sbs.com.au/language/chinese/en/podcast-episode/interview-why...
2022 ALP Police Dolphin Trainer Sam Lin pulled a 11.9% swing to win seat from [L] by 2.8%
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-22/sam-lims-rise-from-dolphin-traine...
[L] BackTrack Mop Up!
2024 [L] naturally preselected their Fav SAS Kill all Asians Candidate to wipe out the Yellow Menace.
Chinese complained to AEC that they never wanted to be erased by [L] Govt...surprises all round!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-20/mark-wales-steps-aside-tangney/10...
2025 [L] New Guy Howard Ong is Sold as a ruthless Asian [L] Howard Dictator (Feel Better Now!)
Sunday Mass [L] Howard's Insta Hodad Whitewashed WOTD...tbb's kinda last wave in...Yew!
https://www.instagram.com/howard4tangney/reel/DIDtZs2JZas/
2025 Tangney constituents must Vote for their fav Asian Representative ...Happy Ending!
Will 69.5% WA Anglo Aussies Vote for a Proud Green Noongar Man...Is tbb stirring the Pot or Wot...
https://www.ngaardamedia.com.au/news/eric-hayward-fighting-for-fair-rent...
Having a laugh with best laid Battle Plans of Power Mad digging thru Middle Earth to Little China...
KILL KILL KILL Sheep Dip Party sniffed out this Inner City Blood Lust Trail
Protest Vote [1] Them Bloody Sheep Dip Bogans...You know it's yer Duty to Vote [1] Evil Oz Export!
Licking our lips as we fart all over yer pamphlets...Just a Spot of Blood Mate...Suck it Up...Yummy!
SkyBC Battle 4 Tangney (Sunday Bloody Sunday > Sheep Dip Party Promises to Mince Words)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/tangney-federal-election-2025-cru...
Sunday Bonus NFE [L]ucky Door Prize...Happy Meal Ending!
https://www.facebook.com/howard4Tangney/videos/1536422053901531/
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[Mischinesewhisperationfactcheckerconcern]
First Up! China are equally interfering in Trumps Oz Election...
Just saying...give Xi's piss poor Invasion some credit...Please!
Oz Election is proving a Tough Gig for our Fav' Dictators...
Strewth...This Invading & Taxing of Austria's Golf of The South Campbell Sea is bloody exhausting.
Why won't that lone Voice Tony fellow from Downunder just buy into any Dumb Doge Deal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-20/chinese-social-media-app-rednote-...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-04/anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-wes...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/chinese-australian-voters-reveal-...
Spotlight tonight …channel 7 … the truth on electric cars..
Opti...how Bad was that....Disgusting
Udo, you may like to put up the list of natural gas cars currently available overseas but not here….if not I’ll do it later …
so many brands and models available…..we are so far behind.
We have all the gas and yet no CNG cars.
Europe have just declared and proven that CNG cars are the most environmentally friendly due to production and emissions.
As well, they are cheap using normal engines with slight mods.
Bowen and Labor wants all gas gone and yet…??????
I can’t figure these guys out.
Optimist wrote:Spotlight tonight …channel 7 … the truth on electric cars..
I drove an EV for the first time yesterday. Loved it. Want one. Nearly ordered it on the spot. More than likely will be next car for wife.
zenagain wrote:I drove an EV for the first time yesterday. Loved it. Want one. Nearly ordered it on the spot. More than likely will be next car for wife.
Will be our next car too. Currently running a hybrid which is great.
@Opti's Chanel 7 special was interesting @zen and @blackers. I haven't watched a tabloid news special for ages (Spotlight is the TV program that former producer Taylor Auerbach claimed footed the bill for cocaine and sex workers to jag a Bruce Lehrmann exclusive). ^ basically the special highlights the collapse of the relatively 'green' Australian nickel mining industry, due to Chinese mega industrial plants in Indonesia.. 'dirty nickel' they call it: daily deaths, slave wages, rainforest clearing, arsenic and mercury poisoned locals, slag and runoff pumped directly into waterways killing fisheries so there's nowhere to work except the factories. And eleven times the emissions of Australian nickel. I guess just research where the nickel comes from if you get one?
There's also concerns of the 'genocide' of Indigenous Hongana Manyawa forest people, of Halmahera island:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/26/uncontacted-hunter-gathere...
Here's @Opti's list, the Euro and American ones are caving to the financial pressure of using 'dirty nickel' to stay competitive with Chinese companies..
Tesla, Hyundai, Ford, Volkswagen, Jaguar, Weltmeister, PSA, SGMW. Audi, Daimler, Lucid, Honda, Kia, King Long, Dongfeng, GM.
Channel 7 cites 'Mighty Earth (data on likely supply chains from Rosa Luxembourg Institute, 2023)' as the source for the above list.
zenagain wrote:I drove an EV for the first time yesterday. Loved it. Want one. Nearly ordered it on the spot. More than likely will be next car for wife.
I heard @blackers missus might be getting a Harley.
I heard Harley Davidson were going all electric in the future. Way to kill a company.
Blackers, wife and I both mild hybrids- hers petrol mine diesal. Both get killer fuel economy. I really liked the EV though.
This is the list i was interested in.....and why do we have none seeing as they work out the greenest.
Bowen wants gas gone altogether and yet....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_vehicles
zenagain wrote:I heard Harley Davidson were going all electric in the future. Way to kill a company.
Blackers, wife and I both mild hybrids- hers petrol mine diesal. Both get killer fuel economy. I really liked the EV though.
I think Trumpleton's tariffs will do HD before electrification does. Never really been interested in their products anyways.
Which ev did you try? I tested a Polestar 2 and was hooked.
Gina has rung Rupert to ring peter it seems …
Here's some new natural gas models....cheap to buy , long range, ...run them on aussie gas and we are set...
don't know why we don't import them and set up the network...people with gas at home could fill there with a wall mounted gadget.
https://www.cardekho.com/new-cng+cars
Righteo @opti, for fuck sake stop the bullshit about AU gas powered cars being cheap to run.
The average LPG gas price in Melbourne today is 0.96 a litre. Now given most gas cars use twice as much fuel as the equivalent petrol powered car per km driven +/- that works out at $1.92 per litre comparing the two fuel sources. Today unleaded’s average price is 1.70 per litre +/-.
So how are gas powered cars cheaper to drive?
^^ my comment above is based on previously owning 2 factory fitted (green rocker covered) LPG powered Ford Falcons and my father’s taxis.
Now if you are also thinking about the federal government removing the excise Hawke/Keating** introduced and increased by all governments since man up and say so but just for once stop the bullshit.
** my taxi driving dad was filthy on Hawke/Keating for this decision with the price going from just cents per litre to a price linked to petrol
These are natural gas cars dummy.
So my argument about cost per km driven doesn’t apply? and infrastructure? Tax/excise?
My argument has been about the best cars for the environment …..you sorta missed that ……
….CNG cars are the best….production ….pollution etc etc
And where have you been… even LPG cars now only use 20% more gas than petrol making them your 96cents + 20% around $1.20 litre vs petrol .with the new systems…
You have the luxury in Melbourne of piped gas which can be pumped into an LNG car at home with the right gadget…..so it’s your home gas price to fill.
If the spud can supply east coast gas instead of flogging it all off to Asia and Europe to run their LNG cars we can not only cook a decent meal on a decent cooktop but run clean burning cars that last 30 years like they do now…
Bowen would have us using electric cook tops which won’t happen at my house.
I like to cook…..and any chef will say the same.
I had a ford wagon converted to gas , was also filthy when tax was increased . For all the incentives government gives on cheaper alternatives to then turn around and burn the public is just taking the piss . Why the fuck is diesel dearer than unleaded ? Edit …….spud won’t be doing the public any favours when it comes to gas , he knows where his bread is buttered .
Always prefer to cook with gas or coals on an open fire.
Blackers- Q4 E-tron. Loved it in the first 500 metres.
Lpg cars +20% — some evidence please @opti, it doesn’t make any sense what you are saying.
Piped gas and your Dutton “if” … so you want a completely new way of fueling (fossil) cars based on a “if” from a politician and all its inherent infrastructure (and lack of tax/excise) … good luck with that one.
Cooking …. Yeah, I’ve heard that argument before from my chief standard wife, we recently went to all electric and she loves it and how much cleaner the kitchen stays … and the health consequences are also huge for any family with asthmatics.
Your pushing it up hill there @opti
X2 post
'chief standard wife'.
Mine too Guy.
As I’ve talked about before, the beauty of gas engines whether CNG or LPG is that they can run on the future bio gases without any alteration….this is the same with cooking…..so it’s long term for the battlers.
Elon musk now admits that the future is not electric cars but hybrid electric with engines like Toyotas new combustion ones you will see soon….
…these have near zero emissions or actually if you factor production , well below world zero standards as they don’t require the critical minerals that are wreaking havoc on the environment.
Bowen thinks he is ahead of the game but is actually spouting old tech….he is behind.
Things have moved way ahead….and they are moving quick….
Did you know that it produces 4 tons of carbon to produce 1 single EV battery which in turn will take years to cover itself…..
Then you have to get rid of the toxic waste after it’s worn out ……currently 5% are being recycled…..10% in Australia….
We have gas, …gas is cheap if you keep it onshore….you can make cheap cars….
You can run them on bio gas as well….less than half the emissions of petrol and diesel…..infrastructure is as simple as placing a cylinder on the ground or piping it around.
NSW AUTOGAS is pure propane with the same emissions as your camp stove.
My point in all this is I’m disappointed that Labor are stuck in this electric dream.
It’s part of it but no where near all the solution people like Bowen think it is.
We have millions and millions of cars that can be converted right now if your really serious about saving the planet.,,,
The greens now want to charge 3 x the price for parking if you own an SUV….
It’s that kind of thinking that shows true colours…..most of those SUVs probably use the same amount of fuel as their cars.
Plant trees then plant some more…drive an efficient car….do your best to keep the place tidy…….things will improve naturally without the heavy hand….
…...now your cookin with gas.
Convert right now??
The big thing is gas burns hotter in your engine and it’s going to wear out your existing valve stem seals very quickly so again not as simple as you portray there @opti, so a second question to my first above ^^ which you haven’t answered yet … replacement cost of a blown engine when valves fuck up?
Plant trees - never counted by my tally would be in the 1,000s so great idea
You talking Stem Seals ...or Valve Seats ?
My father called them value stem seals from memory and he had to replace them and I think the top end, make sense?
@zen, good work, buggered I know how I managed to snare such a beautiful multi talented woman, batting way way above my average :))
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Optimist wrote:Here's some new natural gas models....cheap to buy , long range, ...run them on aussie gas and we are set...
don't know why we don't import them and set up the network...people with gas at home could fill there with a wall mounted gadget.
https://www.cardekho.com/new-cng+cars
I wonder if they can be converted to run on hydrogen?
Ive had two cars that ran on gas/petrol, but they always seemed to get issues even when i also ran them on petrol every week to stop everything drying out,(actually i think i might have even left one on petrol over night and swapped it over a few hundred metres down the road to gas)
But i guess brand new made cars made to run just on gas would be much different.
indo-dreaming wrote:Optimist wrote:Here's some new natural gas models....cheap to buy , long range, ...run them on aussie gas and we are set...
don't know why we don't import them and set up the network...people with gas at home could fill there with a wall mounted gadget.
https://www.cardekho.com/new-cng+carsI wonder if they can be converted to run on hydrogen?
Ive had two cars that ran on gas/petrol, but they always seemed to get issues even when i also ran them on petrol every week to stop everything drying out,(actually i think i might have even left one on petrol over night and swapped it over a few hundred metres down the road to gas)
But i guess brand new made cars made to run just on gas would be much different.
Not only was I impressed that Guy was married…but she actually feeds him….ha ha
That woman deserves the Victoria cross….
But yeah, just run petrol through every now and then for a bit to keep the valves happy…..the designated gas cars have different tougher valves etc.
I walk the walk and own one….Ive owned a few back in the day …falcon wagons Holden wagons lpg……these new systems I have now are no comparison.
I spent $3800 converting my all wheel drive SUV 2 years ago and it’s amazing on fuel and powerful at 110 octane because I am a bit of a hoon…..especially on dirt.
It does 10 litres per 100 k on petrol but now 12 on my advanced gas injection system so 20% more fuel but 70 c a litre cheaper…
I did it for the environment though and can move it across to my next car as well.
I like petrol cars and so gas for me was a responsible choice…
95% less particulate emissions and 30% less carbon.
My oil is always clean and the car runs faultlessly after the original remapping by a real pro.
I think it has a place with the rise of bio gases which will replace gas with no modifications….
There are many solutions to cleaner air and lots of petrol cars that can be cleaned up. I don’t know why govts don’t manage what’s already here . Millions won’t change to electric etc. ….and if all do and we get rid of gas cooking as well the grid won’t tolerate it.
Anyway they are my thoughts based on experience.
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Can you imagine this parasite attempting to deliver a budget ?
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This is how Dutton wins:
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