The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
Thanks SR and I hope you’re all good too.
Indo your (and Syp’s) voice is important in these forums since you’re one of the very few roughly/usually conservative centre-right contributors with the courage to try to debate the “twitter army” of progressives.
Unflinching supporter of arguably the most authoritarian far right government supported by the west accuses critics of being fascist!
Info logic, irony and lack of self awareness strikes again
Woody Guthrie
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indo-dreaming wrote:@ Southerraw
Ha ha retiree FFS
How long has it been a week or so????
But you couldn't help yourself, and here you are now back having your typical sooky la la's wanting people banned because they have opposing views to you.
You and others like Guy and AF are basically a modern day fascist and pro censorship, because you hate hearing views that dont align with yours, the other two even wanting the thread closed, even though they have little interest in the thread.
And yes many of you people in my view clearly support Hamas, weather intentional or not, if it was up to you guys, you would have stoppred this war months ago and been happy to see Hamas stay in power and live on, people like Jelly share garbage that would have been created by Hamas and other groups and you guys lap it up, you dont support Israel in getting rid of Hamas and the threat Israel faces, you actively try to bring down Israel and somehow twist things so they are the bad guys while Hamas the terrorist/jihadist who broke ceasefire and carried out an massacre and kidnapping and still hold over 100 people are somehow good guys.
And yes mate, im going to call you out as one of the worst because you actively support the people who openly say they want to kill your X GF
I also get accused of shit i dont like or agree with like nonsense like supporting genocide or killing of civilians etc, big deal, i dont even bother arguing against these things as just nonsense.
I dont care if you disagree or me calling you out offends you im allowed to have this opinion weather you agree with it or not.
As for "Just as the thread reaches a point where real discussion and progress" ha ha WFF you cant be serious most people here are more interested in back and forward abuse, generally just one liners and name calling or trying to derail the thread with other topics of discussion.
I do my bet to avoid confrontation and back and forth and stick to the topic, providing updates on how this war is progressing
Yeah okay the other day i did give a little poke in the ribs to Guy, taking the piss out of him thinking that Stu was moving the thread to the back pages and back again, i think most could see this for what it was, just some piss taking banter.
Anyway like i said in the other thread, if you dont like my views or things i share, the best thing to do is just ignore my post.
But the problem once again, is some like you really dont like people having or sharing views you oppose, so cant help yourselves .
“i forgot how much of a fuckwitt he is with his loaded language & viewpoints.“
Why use a few words when shitloads will………
@GSCO
Twitter?
Progressives?
I think you misunderstand the nature of most of the conversations on this site.
InfoDreamer> "weather intentional"
Houston, we have a problem.
@indo , labeling anyone that doesn’t agree with your views/opinion as “ hamas simps “ is what brings you so much heat . I don’t believe anyone on this thread openly supports hamas , quite the opposite. If you’re going to seriously debate others , then you need to read & watch what they post before commenting. I don’t believe you should be cancelled , it’s a serious subject and some take things too personally .
At least we all know that anyone who uses language like that can't be taken seriously.
I think Bernie is dreaming unfortunately , I can’t see Israel funding being cut …….. ever .
Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.
You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AW
As I've said a few times before, he's got clear right wing authoritarian leanings.
AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AW
You're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Hahaha
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&pp=ygUUY2FsbCB0aGUgd2FtYnVsYW5jZSA%3D Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AWYou're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Ah fuck off you fool/tool, you’ve gotta a shit memory that’s for sure, he can speak for himself , he’s a grown up physically, mentally, still in nappies. Fancy purporting and talking about others as Hamas sympathisers, are you and him right in the head ?
You are his little vigilante, do you follow him around, picking up his oral poop every time it dribbles down the side of his face like a faecal gravy, you highlight the narrowness and shallowness of your mindsets and the full understanding of the continual milking of this subject. Can’t you get your jolly’s elsewhere or pick ANOTHER topic, no, because it’s all you know, go back and look at the reams of posts you delivered between yourself and Burleigh, you’re a nutter.
You are not as dumb as he is, but not far behind.
Couldn’t care less what Dumb and Dumber think about any of us, you’re just trapped in an infantile world of fantasy and complete fiction.
Married the both of you, wow I’d like to see that.
In your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls, you know the type, don’t you. Just a bit fun , hey Roadkill. AW
AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AWYou're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Ah fuck off you fool/tool, you’ve gotta a shit memory that’s for sure, he can speak for himself , he’s a grown up physically, mentally, still in nappies. Fancy purporting and talking about others as Hamas sympathisers, are you and him right in the head ?
You are his little vigilante, do you follow him around, picking up his oral poop every time it dribbles down the side of his face like a faecal gravy, you highlight the narrowness and shallowness of your mindsets and the full understanding of the continual milking of this subject. Can’t you get your jolly’s elsewhere or pick ANOTHER topic, no, because it’s all you know, go back and look at the reams of posts you delivered between yourself and Burleigh, you’re a nutter.
You are not as dumb as he is, but not far behind.
Couldn’t care less what Dumb and Dumber think about any of us, you’re just trapped in an infantile world of fantasy and complete fiction.
Married the both of you, wow I’d like to see that.In your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls, you know the type, don’t you. Just a bit fun , hey Roadkill. AW
You don't have to agree with him..yet here you are carrying on like a clown getting all personal.
"in your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls"
underage girls is scraping the bottom of the barrel there, AW.
have you ever contributed anything in this thread other than irrational insults? I will go back and check.
You should stick to leaves and twigs, AW.
At least in that thread you come across as normal...over here..not so much.
but hey, I get it is that you post to others to get your ego stroked...it's hilarious to watch you roll over for a good belly rub when the praise is passed out.
The insults and name calling really are owned by one group in here. It really is a pack mentality.
Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AWYou're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Ah fuck off you fool/tool, you’ve gotta a shit memory that’s for sure, he can speak for himself , he’s a grown up physically, mentally, still in nappies. Fancy purporting and talking about others as Hamas sympathisers, are you and him right in the head ?
You are his little vigilante, do you follow him around, picking up his oral poop every time it dribbles down the side of his face like a faecal gravy, you highlight the narrowness and shallowness of your mindsets and the full understanding of the continual milking of this subject. Can’t you get your jolly’s elsewhere or pick ANOTHER topic, no, because it’s all you know, go back and look at the reams of posts you delivered between yourself and Burleigh, you’re a nutter.
You are not as dumb as he is, but not far behind.
Couldn’t care less what Dumb and Dumber think about any of us, you’re just trapped in an infantile world of fantasy and complete fiction.
Married the both of you, wow I’d like to see that.In your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls, you know the type, don’t you. Just a bit fun , hey Roadkill. AW
You don't have to agree with him..yet here you are carrying on like a clown getting all personal.
"in your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls"
underage girls is scraping the bottom of the barrel there, AW.
have you ever contributed anything in this thread other than irrational insults? I will go back and check.
RoadThrill. Why would I contribute to a thread controlled by two frothing , saliva spitting idiots, cradled in their computer ‘racing car style swivel leather chairs’ in a dark vaulted room with crunchy socks on the floor ( you know what I mean )with obsessive, compulsive , disorders ?
Insults, you guys perpetually insult all others intelligence with your diatribe.
Please enlighten me with other topics you could competently discuss that don’t revolve around virus and war.
I’ll await your reply so can discuss some meaningful topics bedsides power and passion.
The fool hardy grapes are certainly on the vine today, must be something in the air.
I still can’t get over the statement from Indo, “ I mainly listen to podcasts on the military channel “ . Flabberbasted !!!! AW
Roadkill wrote:The insults and name calling really are owned by one group in here. It really is a pack mentality.
Out of anyone on swellnet you of all people should not call people out for insults Dill.
I actually don't believe you're mentally all there.
AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AWYou're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Ah fuck off you fool/tool, you’ve gotta a shit memory that’s for sure, he can speak for himself , he’s a grown up physically, mentally, still in nappies. Fancy purporting and talking about others as Hamas sympathisers, are you and him right in the head ?
You are his little vigilante, do you follow him around, picking up his oral poop every time it dribbles down the side of his face like a faecal gravy, you highlight the narrowness and shallowness of your mindsets and the full understanding of the continual milking of this subject. Can’t you get your jolly’s elsewhere or pick ANOTHER topic, no, because it’s all you know, go back and look at the reams of posts you delivered between yourself and Burleigh, you’re a nutter.
You are not as dumb as he is, but not far behind.
Couldn’t care less what Dumb and Dumber think about any of us, you’re just trapped in an infantile world of fantasy and complete fiction.
Married the both of you, wow I’d like to see that.In your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls, you know the type, don’t you. Just a bit fun , hey Roadkill. AW
You don't have to agree with him..yet here you are carrying on like a clown getting all personal.
"in your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls"
underage girls is scraping the bottom of the barrel there, AW.
have you ever contributed anything in this thread other than irrational insults? I will go back and check.
RoadThrill. Why would I contribute to a thread controlled by two frothing , saliva spitting idiots, cradled in their computer ‘racing car style swivel leather chairs’ in a dark vaulted room with crunchy socks on the floor ( you know what I mean )with obsessive, compulsive , disorders ?
Insults, you guys perpetually insult all others intelligence with your diatribe.Please enlighten me with other topics you could competently discuss that don’t revolve around virus and war.
I’ll await your reply so can discuss some meaningful topics bedsides power and passion.
The fool hardy grapes are certainly on the vine today, must be something in the air.
I still can’t get over the statement from Indo, “ I mainly listen to podcasts on the military channel “ . Flabberbasted !!!! AW
The funny thing is.
All your insults are cut n paste. Nothing original.
Try harder, AW
AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Roadkill wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AWYou're on fire today AW.
never has indo expressed excitement or liking killing or getting off on power...making some grand assumptions.
"What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs." Full feral..yeah, mate. Get personal like that..it reflects on you. That shit is just fucking nasty stuff.
Ah fuck off you fool/tool, you’ve gotta a shit memory that’s for sure, he can speak for himself , he’s a grown up physically, mentally, still in nappies. Fancy purporting and talking about others as Hamas sympathisers, are you and him right in the head ?
You are his little vigilante, do you follow him around, picking up his oral poop every time it dribbles down the side of his face like a faecal gravy, you highlight the narrowness and shallowness of your mindsets and the full understanding of the continual milking of this subject. Can’t you get your jolly’s elsewhere or pick ANOTHER topic, no, because it’s all you know, go back and look at the reams of posts you delivered between yourself and Burleigh, you’re a nutter.
You are not as dumb as he is, but not far behind.
Couldn’t care less what Dumb and Dumber think about any of us, you’re just trapped in an infantile world of fantasy and complete fiction.
Married the both of you, wow I’d like to see that.In your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls, you know the type, don’t you. Just a bit fun , hey Roadkill. AW
You don't have to agree with him..yet here you are carrying on like a clown getting all personal.
"in your spare time I’m sure you try on many of your heroes look a like clothing and rearrange all your plastic soldiers on your bedroom floor , the Hitler suit, Rommel, Churchill, Mao, Kim Jong ill in the Head with a posse of underage girls"
underage girls is scraping the bottom of the barrel there, AW.
have you ever contributed anything in this thread other than irrational insults? I will go back and check.
RoadThrill. Why would I contribute to a thread controlled by two frothing , saliva spitting idiots, cradled in their computer ‘racing car style swivel leather chairs’ in a dark vaulted room with crunchy socks on the floor ( you know what I mean )with obsessive, compulsive , disorders ?
Insults, you guys perpetually insult all others intelligence with your diatribe.Please enlighten me with other topics you could competently discuss that don’t revolve around virus and war.
I’ll await your reply so can discuss some meaningful topics bedsides power and passion.
The fool hardy grapes are certainly on the vine today, must be something in the air.
I still can’t get over the statement from Indo, “ I mainly listen to podcasts on the military channel “ . Flabberbasted !!!! AW
"RoadThrill. Why would I contribute to a thread controlled by two...."
so you have no intention of contributing? You are just here to disrupt this thread?
"in a dark vaulted room with crunchy socks on the floor ( you know what I mean )" I know what you mean. Gee, you are going low today..is that it? got some more dreary 12 year old dribble for us?
"Remark: it's quite impressive to watch the amount of abuse indo cops but just stays calm and keeps pugging away trying to debate in a civil manner."
yep
Im reluctant to get involved... but...
over on the other thread, there's a left wing nutter (who's job is apparently to discern bias...) complaining swellnet is a right wing nut fest...
over here, gsco claims it's left wing nut fest...
it can't be both?
can it?
anyway, my take, the left is struggling, badly... still... to come to terms with the true democracy the internet has unleashed...
(sheesh... they've only had 15 to 20 years to adjust...)
and calls from crew to shut down threads and posters just consolidates this idea the left has gone all de-platform / cancel culture / authoritarian nutty...
if you don't like it, don't click on it... pretty simple...
if you must watch the car crash... watch... but don't whinge...
if you throw barbs... expect barbs...
I guess where swellnet is unique is, it doesn't filter people into their usual bubbled up silos like other social media - in spite of the common interest...
and fwiw, I don't think indod's perspective is extreme at all, he's actually very middle of the road. in fact I would still say he leans left... with a large part of his 'conservatism' being the result of him spending significant time in indonesia... anyone who does, generally sees australia as noddy land, and can see we are so molly coddled it is often counter productive... live in indo a while, you soon learn what it means to be actually independent, and to survive by your own devices...
my gaaawwwd, there used to be a few true right wing nuts on here... none of em last long... the pile ons were feral...
and, as to swellnet reflecting right wing views, or the world turning right... I call bullshit, ...80%+ of political posts on here are lamenting the loss of what the left once used to represent... not supporting right wing conservatism at all!
the 'polarisation' is in the minds of people who are so far in one camp they cannot see the forest for the trees...
a virulent manifestation of 'us and them' that has developed...
encouraged even...
a dichotomy of delusion
and 'far right'....
pfffffffffff!
meaningless...
nazis are still nazis... as they always were...
its the left that has danced away into the fairy garden of post modernism
this is what it looks like when 'the left' leaves the left...
behind...
old school labour loyalty is lost...
that's labour... with a U...
the tribes are now 30%, 30%, 40% swingers...
get used to it
the left created this dynamic...
the right is the same as it ever was
sypkan wrote:"Remark: it's quite impressive to watch the amount of abuse indo cops but just stays calm and keeps pugging away trying to debate in a civil manner."
yep
Im reluctant to get involved... but...
over on the other thread, there's a left wing nutter (who's job is apparently to discern bias...) complaining swellnet is a right wing nut fest...
over here, gsco claims it's left wing nut fest...
it can't be both?
can it?
anyway, my take, the left is struggling, badly... still... to come to terms with the true democracy the internet has unleashed...
(sheesh... they've only had 15 to 20 years to adjust...)
and calls from crew to shut down threads and posters just consolidates this idea the left has gone all de-platform / cancel culture / authoritarian nutty...
if you don't like it, don't click on it... pretty simple...
if you must watch the car crash... watch... but don't whinge...
if you throw barbs... expect barbs...
I guess where swellnet is unique is, it doesn't filter people into their usual bubbled up silos like other social media - in spite of the common interest...
and fwiw, I don't think indod's perspective is extreme at all, he's actually very middle of the road. in fact I would still say he leans left... with a large part of his 'conservatism' being the result of him spending significant time in indonesia... anyone who does, generally sees australia as noddy land, and can see we are so molly coddled it is often counter productive... live in indo a while, you soon learn what it means to be actually independent, and to survive by your own devices...
my gaaawwwd, there used to be a few true right wing nuts on here... none of em last long... the pile ons were feral...
and, as to swellnet reflecting right wing views, or the world turning right... I call bullshit, ...80%+ of political posts on here are lamenting the loss of what the left once used to represent... not supporting right wing conservatism at all!
the 'polarisation' is in the minds of people who are so far in one camp they cannot see the forest for the trees...
a virulent manifestation of 'us and them' that has developed...
encouraged even...
a dichotomy of delusion
and 'far right'....
pfffffffffff!
meaningless...
nazis are still nazis... as they always were...
its the left that has danced away into the fairy garden of post modernism
this is what it looks like when 'the left' leaves the left...
behind...
old school labour loyalty is lost...
that's labour... with a U...
the tribes are now 30%, 30%, 40% swingers...
get used to it
the left created this dynamic...
the right is the same as it ever was
Sypkan. Hope you’re well, after reading that I’m not so sure.
Fanciful remarks through rose coloured glasses wouldn’t you say, well I would. AW
Roadkill wrote:You should stick to leaves and twigs, AW.
At least in that thread you come across as normal...over here..not so much.
but hey, I get it is that you post to others to get your ego stroked...it's hilarious to watch you roll over for a good belly rub when the praise is passed out.
Roadkill. I’ve not seen any level of intelligence from your quarter for the past 18 months.
Those of the other thread , where you are most welcome , all seem to enjoy learning, don’t you.
The fact that my life’s business has always been botany is either here nor there.
Seeds started the post and we all jumped in. Don’t you like your belly rubbed sometime, as long as it’s appropriate wouldn’t you say.
By all means offer up your skill set and see how you go, botany could be your one and only out in life, never know , I might even rub yours.
So, what type of voluntary work or service do you do for your region state or country, I do shit loads at my expense and time, which I love, helping less fortunate, homeless, disabled and other less fortunate souls, see life in the biological world and the enjoyment it can bring.
Is there something wrong with that ? Alas, I’ve got skin as thick as two crocodiles, nothing perturbs me at all except for fools like you and him living in a mean spirited dark world and Indo knows what I’m referring to.
Have a nice day now !!!AW
“ … anyway, my take, the left is struggling, badly... still... to come to terms with the true democracy the internet has unleashed...“
There’s at least some truth in this statement but I would say for entirely different reasons than its author would agree with.
I’ve remarked here before that info and others never give an inch in their opinion seeing as a sign of weakness in their opponents … I have also commented that it’s a tactic that the right of politics here (and elsewhere) use in their own defence eg Robodebt but are hypocritical of the left in any decision or error that they make … consensus died long ago in the battle for power.
Further, some here quote outrageously stupid biased claptrap and expect it to be considered seriously as reasonable debate and not attract abuse …. Now we’re all guilty of this +/- but when there is a decade’s worth of tripe when should the mercy button be pressed?
So it is democratic as every whack job with an opinion gets a say but it has little to offer in terms of fundamental truth of any and all issues nor strengthening democracy nor the principle of freedom of speech which has actually has two tenets rights and responsibilities.
Anyway, … excuse me can I have another cup of 1/2 strength decaf soy latte and slice of your woke waffle cake, thanks
I think you've got indod all wrong
I've said it before, the surf camp he's affiliated with is the best I've seen in indo in regards to preserving local culture, and empowering the local village, all without an overbearing bule presence...
the absolute wet dream of all the academic wank I've read from numerous idealistic australian entities regarding indigenous people...
he's done it... whilst they are all still just blabbering on about it
billions of dollars in defecit...
and I guess this influences a lot of his opinions that you all find so offensive
maybe he's just a slacker, and his passive approach was more fluke than design, but he ain't the nasty piece of work some of you imagine
the neighbouring camps are a millionaires paradise... with all that comes with that...
kings and coolies
its just politics...
one side thinks they can save the world, the other thinks people need to sort their own shit...
and we all fall on the spectrum somewhere
belittling, attacking, and shutting down discussion fixes nothing
"Further, some here quote outrageously stupid biased claptrap and expect it to be considered seriously as reasonable debate and not attract abuse …. Now we’re all guilty of this +/- but when there is a decade’s worth of tripe when should the mercy button be pressed?"
yeh...
like 737 000 migrants hey!
wanker
"...faecal gravy" AW
At least his insults are imaginative... Gold Alfred Gold
I posted this way back at the start of this conflict, seems as relevant here as ever. as this is the basis for all of the conflicts with indod...
from my perspective...
politics 101: thomas sowell
"When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.
By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview..."
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
Nice deflection sippy not giving an inch ^^^
AlfredWallace wrote:Indo. Buy your own self admission, you garner most of your info from military channels. Say no more, there’s nothing more to add.
You are excited by power, killing, the discussion around killing, control and all from a righteous viewpoint, you’re sick mate, you’ve got a power fetish.
You simply get off on power and might.
Well on here pal you have no power and definitely no might.You are probably the kind of guy who goes to national or international Air Shows to not admire the skill and architecture of such craft in front of you, but marvel at the enormous power and killing capacities of such machines.
It’s all about control isn’t it ? Sick, sick and sick.
No wonder you don’t like FNP, you’re scared of someone else holding the power.
In your white Anglo eyes, power and control is EVERYTHING.
What do your relatives think of you, or don’t they know the real truth of the white tool on a stool behind the joystick. Silence of the Lambs. AW
This is one of the most ridiculous post ive read here, and again proves my three rules correct, its all about skin colour to you for some weird reason.
This issue isn't about skin colour, its about religion, if Israel and its people were Muslims there would be no issue, just like when Edypt was in control of Gaza and Jordan the West bank.
Anway imagine getting upset that someone is getting their information on a war, from a military channel, its nearly as strange as going to a surfing website to keep up with surfing news.
And no i am not excited by power or killing, but yes i want Israel and its people to be free from the threat of Hamas and other similar groups, and yes i am happy when i see progress made by the IDF and i 100% support Israel IDF and its people.
Airshows...ha ha...i think i went to one as a kid, never been into that stuff, actually this is the first war ive ever really taken interest in.
And sorry but suggesting i dont like FNP is just complete garbage, i see and treat FNP exactly how i do others, on the merit of their action's, some FNP people like Marcia Langton are evil disgusting people while some people like Jacinta Price would be PM if it was up to me.
As far as my relatives if you are talking my Indonesian ones, they love me and they are catholic so unlike most Indonesians they would support Israel, they aren't silly and would never think it's about skin colour, but the religious aspect would be a big factor for them as living in Java as a Catholic, does see you copping some persecution.
PS. You said i had not control or power here yet, you then said " Why would I contribute to a thread controlled by two...."
So which one is it?
AndyM wrote:As I've said a few times before, he's got clear right wing authoritarian leanings.
If so why dont i support Hamas and Palestine then?
They are more authoritarianism dictatorship's and actually right wing, conservative to the extreme just in an islamic way, think alcohol illegal, being gay illegal, my understanding is in both Gaza and the West bank even sex outside of marriage is illegal, oh and the death penalty is regularly carried out in Gaza.
Meanwhile my support is with Israel the most democratic country in the middle east one with by far the highest women's rights in the middle east(including abortion being legal) by far the most LGBTQI right's (including same sex marriage recognised, gay bars & year Mardi Gra parade) , and all other kinds of rights often not found in the middle east, like freedom to have sex outside of marriage, freedom to drink and party, even pot is decriminalised.
All things above i have no issue with, Sypkan might be pushing things saying im left leaning, im proudly a conservative, but yeah in the USA they would probably say no you aren't, cause i dont have a issue with abortion, support gun control measures, not religious and open to legalising certain drugs.
@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
sypkan wrote:I posted this way back at the start of this conflict, seems as relevant here as ever. as this is the basis for all of the conflicts with indod...
from my perspective...
politics 101: thomas sowell
"When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.
Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.
By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview..."
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin
This is brilliant. Thanks for sharing.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
Is he? And even if he did on a rare occasion (I can't recall) the name-calling and insults back are x 10.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
Been thinking the same thing.
I'd also suggest there is a comparison to be made about people labelling NO voters in the Voice campaign as racist arseholes.
The whole hamas loving, nazi , anti-semite, jew hating bullshit that gets flung around (not just here either) about anyone critical of the IDFs tactics and methods is wearing pretty thin.
flollo wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
Is he? And even if he did on a rare occasion (I can't recall) the name-calling and insults back are x 10.
@flollo , you say you can’t recall but do know that the insults are times 10 , that kinda doesn’t make sense . Indo does cop heaps of flak agreed , maybe read back through the pages at what he says to others to get that reaction . I haven’t read a post yet where anyone has promoted hamas as the good guys in this war but if people point out the Israel government is fucked up in their handling of this conflict , they then get thrown in the hamas supporters camp , it just doesn’t make sense to me . It’s a fucked up region that has plenty of guilty and innocents on both sides.
Yeah it’s a mess and IDF response was awful, I don’t disagree with any of that. I can see others calling people hamas fans, Jew haters etc but Indo specifically is less aggressive but posts a lot. That’s just my observation.
@indo , off subject sorry , I know you would love to see JP as PM but could you honestly ever see the LNP appointing her as their leader ? ( if she was ever voted in to the House of Representatives ) Do you really believe she has what it takes to perform on the world stage ? I personally just see her as a murdoch puppet that is fed lines on what to say . You know her better than most, what education qualifications did she achieve at school ? Do you believe she would make good policies as a PM . I suppose she couldn’t be any worse than spuds permanent no policy on everything . Understand if you don’t reply .
flollo wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
Is he? And even if he did on a rare occasion (I can't recall) the name-calling and insults back are x 10.
100% true.
The personal attacks never stop. Indo does a good job to mostly stay calm. Those attacking are so blind to their own posts it is staggering.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , why do you label those that don’t like the way the IDF is handling this war as hamas simps ?
Do you think there is people here that want to see Israel fail in destroying Hamas????
Do you think there is people here that would like to see Israel destroyed???
Because from everything i have seen here, there is people that if answered honestly would answer yes to both those question's.
Again how often have you seen anyone here let alone those people say, this war could end tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and handed over those kind napped.
They never say that, why not?
Instead they expect Israel to stop the war that Hamas started and let Hamas live on, and Israeli's live with the threat of another 7th October and then just bow to any demands from Hamas to get those kidnapped back.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , off subject sorry , I know you would love to see JP as PM but could you honestly ever see the LNP appointing her as their leader ? ( if she was ever voted in to the House of Representatives ) Do you really believe she has what it takes to perform on the world stage ? I personally just see her as a murdoch puppet that is fed lines on what to say . You know her better than most, what education qualifications did she achieve at school ? Do you believe she would make good policies as a PM . I suppose she couldn’t be any worse than spuds permanent no policy on everything . Understand if you don’t reply .
Lets keep this to just these two comments and not derail the thread, but after her performance with the voice 100%, she has far far public talking/speech skills skills than Albo (our own Biden) or even Dutton, but lets also be real she doesn't have the experience in politics yet.
To suggest she is just a puppet of Murdoch is ridiculous, the things she has focussed on during the voice etc are things she is passionate about and wasn't reading from a script, as for qualifications no idea, she has real life experience thats all that matters.
BTW. I giess Trump had no political experience and became president of the USA so maybe the political experience isn't as important.
@indo , I haven’t identified anyone on this thread that supports hamas and wants Israel destroyed . There are those that oppose Israel’s leader and it’s treatment of people in gaza and the west bank , wanting Israel destroyed is not what they are saying .
Then your not following the thread very well.
indo-dreaming wrote:Then your not following the thread very well.
possibly not , can you repost what’s been said to support your claim .
“ … Again how often have you seen anyone here let alone those people say, this war could end tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and handed over those kind napped ..”
This naive question assumes Israel is entirely innocent here and that it has not waged a death by a thousand cuts war on the Palestinians since the ‘67 war. Hamas has not risen to power in a vacuum FFS and sadly but not unsurprisingly is apparently still popular given the genocide inflicted on the Palestinians of Gaza. IMO the war has never ended since ‘67 with Israel never taking its eye off the prize, a prize even supported here, and sadly it will continue indefinitely, slowly quietly taking over more and more Palestinian land until the next big blow up…
Stop playing games with me Super go look yourself there is countless videos and nonsense especially from people like Jelly and Soggy, both completely brain dead and brain washed.
Anyway the reality is you either support Israel and their right to defend themselves or you dont, and if you don't you support Hamas staying in power over Gaza and remaining a threat to Israel, its that simple.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , off subject sorry , I know you would love to see JP as PM but could you honestly ever see the LNP appointing her as their leader ? ( if she was ever voted in to the House of Representatives ) Do you really believe she has what it takes to perform on the world stage ? I personally just see her as a murdoch puppet that is fed lines on what to say . You know her better than most, what education qualifications did she achieve at school ? Do you believe she would make good policies as a PM . I suppose she couldn’t be any worse than spuds permanent no policy on everything . Understand if you don’t reply .
Lets keep this to just these two comments and not derail the thread, but after her performance with the voice 100%, she has far far public talking/speech skills skills than Albo (our own Biden) or even Dutton, but lets also be real she doesn't have the experience in politics yet.
To suggest she is just a puppet of Murdoch is ridiculous, the things she has focussed on during the voice etc are things she is passionate about and wasn't reading from a script, as for qualifications no idea, she has real life experience thats all that matters.
BTW. I giess Trump had no political experience and became president of the USA so maybe the political experience isn't as important.
“i forgot how much of a fuckwitt he is with his loaded language & viewpoints.“
Hahahaha ;)
….ummmmmm
- ‘can you repost what’s been said to support your claim .’
https://m.
&pp=ygUVY3JpY2tldHMgc291bmQgZWZmZWN0 …hahahaha
- ‘right to defend themselves’
;)
https://m.
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