The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

And further to my post above, thinking back about it while I was just at the supermarket getting ripped off blind by Woolies, there was a fair bit in Mien Kampf about Aryan racial purity, blonde hair and blue eyes, that sort of thing.
I'm sure that would go down well in Muslim Indonesia or some tunnel under Gaza,
can just see 'em all reciting texts about that to each other.
Bibi is a world class bullshit artist, world class.
Wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth.
Where's the (independently verifiable) proof of those claims.
There is none or you'd be seeing it on our (Australian Jewry Association approved) mainstream news.
Bye again.

Rhetorical question

Who here wouldn’t think seriously about joining Hamas if your house was bombed killing your family members or if they somehow survived the bombing were later shot dead innocently going about their lives or if not joining Hamas supporting them in whatever way you could do in your new refugee camps living??

The israelis are masters of conscription ;)

… and geez noinfo makes up a tremendous amount of bullshit.
- another straight up bibi bootlicking endorsement.

Zero facts, with zero evidence.
… yet the accusations and assumptions float on.

(to clarify, I do not support hamas nor hitler)

The noinfo lies and speculative fantasies are just sad.
- not all austrians are bad tho ;)

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Hello again, so I can't switch off. Trying not to think about some grim hours coming my way.
Here's why I think it's bullshit too.
" found copies of Hitler's Mein Kampf. In a home in Gaza,"
They've bombed the shit out of Gaza, so was it a standing house? occupants? an intact copy?*
In the highly unlikely event the claim is true, what's to say it didn't belong to an IDF soldier and where is the fkn evidence to back up these dubious claims?
*seen other videos with Iraeli minister holding up a pristine, glossy, shiny copy with supposed "notes" taken inside by a Hamas soldier. Whole thing stinks. It's the most pristine book in Gaza if true.
"they found a child's tablet with a picture of Hitler as the screensaver."
Do Ipads even have screensavers? er, no. They sleep or shutdown.
And where did the owner get electricity to charge the fkn thing? The IDF switched it all off!
Like I said in my attempt to lighten things....complete bullshit.
Mahalo bitches

Haha yep.
Children in gaza with ipads or tablets ?

;);)

Fark. Talk about distorting reality.
Most of the kids are fuckn dead…

- and the ones still alive probly had their arms blown off etc
Get a grip noinfo (with the fingers u still have)

Farkn pathetic ;)

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Check out these disgraceful lil nazi children…
- time to crackdown on this antisemitism ;)

(or just maybe time for noinfo to put the crack pipe down)

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‘Friendship’ song….. wahaha
- oooops ;)

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Indo vehemently refuses to believe anything that challenges the bullshit and lies he so willingly consumes as fact. From 40 decapitated babies to Bibi’s “ Mein Kampf” discovery, religious sovereignty to “Western Values”. Useless cunt wouldn’t have a critical thought if it would save him.
But if it justifies his lust for punching down then he’ll defend it until we’re all worn out from butting heads with this pig ignorant fuckwit.
And to quote Russell Brand
“ That’s just what I think. Let me know what you think in the chat.”

I guess the civility is over?
Was a good few days of adults discussing things.

RK, there was some quite sensible conversation in regards to the Houthi blockade. What Indo introduced to the forum was inflammatory bullshit that I would hazard a guess that most discerning commentators would recognise as such. Whilst refusing to consider the other side.
I would imagine that many people have watched and read a lot recently in regard to the current situation and it’s history. Most who don’t have skin in the game recognise it as a settler colonial project gone wrong with a one sided power distribution. Leading to further brinkmanship in an unstable region.
Already pretty exciting and as we’d all agree, interesting in a geopolitical sense.

Why did we need the Nazi BS?

Time for the USA to pull Israel into line before this totally goes pear shaped...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/13/us-uk-houthi-yemen...

^^^ interesting facts @andy-mac
… and more pieces to the puzzle ;)

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… and a quick cleanse ;);)

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Reflection

Thinking about @info’s totally over the top posts today about Palestinians being Nazis ^^^ …. If he were saying something equally offensively stupid and racist about Jews would he be not rightfully called out for blatant racism and wouldn’t he have rightfully risked having his comments deleted as well as his ability to comment any further? My question is not over the top as I am aware of someone being banned here for saying some racist things about Jews about a year ago.

So fuck it, I don’t do so lightly, but to @stu and @ben, what makes @info’s post here today remotely acceptable and why is the racist cnt still here?

Talk about drama queen dramatics. Faux outrage over nothing.

NoideaGuy…claiming like a Brazilian on a mediocre wave deserving of a 7 at best.

Meanwhile, keeping your eye on the prize Beijing not happy with the results

Some more thoughts on this "Hamas are Nazis" thing. Unsure if I'll even post it, but need to keep my mind occupied because I've seen every movie on TV ( actually got Top Gun Maverick on atm, and no Goose in that, bummer) and writing helps me keep the mind focused off some other things most of you are probably now aware of and probably all sick of reading about. Adam12's SN therapy time.
So I was a bit surprised that some here who I know are not dumb, and read widely, are willing to buy into the whole "Hamas are Nazis" propaganda put out there by the Zionist Israelis and others. Whatever Hamas are, and it is abhorrent whatever it is, there is no comparison to the Nazis. Nothing compares to the Nazis.
When Hitler finally tricked his way, and burnt his way (The Reichstag fire) into power in 1930's Germany, and ceased the WW1 reparations, he used that money to build the most powerful army the world had ever seen. No army in Western Europe, or the "isolationist" Americans, came close at that time. He also inherited the fine Prussian generals and military of his predecessors to form the Whermacht, though he always lacked a strong Navy (Hitler was a land guy, didn't understand the value of Naval capability, ignored the advice of his Navy General Raeder to his detriment and replaced him with Donitz who although he developed the U-boats, was a military guy not a naval guy and he didn't understand it either. Hence after pummeling Britain they had no fleet, no landing craft and no experience to launch a land invasion, sending Hitler's eyes east towards Moscow and his ultimate demise.)
But he had great military Generals at the start (eventually sacking, shooting or leaving them stranded on the Russian steppes to freeze to death like Napolean's Grand Armee around a century prior, replacing them with inexperienced and incapable sycophants, because his ego didn't allow a general who disagreed or sought to retreat and regroup. Hitler never read Sun Tzu's "Art of War" obviously.)
Those Generals built on a tactic devised by our own top of the list war hero and probably one of the greatest Australians ever born, John Monash. (For those unfamiliar with him, he was our WW1 Army leader who devised the "Blitz" and who together with a bunch of battle hardened but battle wearied Anzacs, punched a hole in the Western Front and saved the world. King George made the trip to knight Monash on the battlefield for his efforts, the first time an English King had done that since the days of Cromwell.)
So the Whermacht Generals took that tactic, modernised it, and under Hitler's command, launched it on Europe and the world. State after State collapsed under it's power, half of them hardly a shot fired. Hitler would just send Ribbentrop with an ultimatum and a date and their leaders were left with little alternative than to just hand over the keys. At one point they controlled territory from the North Sea to Africa, with Goering's Luftwaffe in command of the skies as well. They exploited all those state's resources for themselves, looted their money and treasures and built even more power. They exterminated their enemies and political threats, at home and abroad and put 6 million of them, mostly Jews, into the concentration camps and death camps, all with the intention of creating a superior Aryan race and civilisation that could rule the world. Hitler even got his architect, Albert Speer to build a huge model of the capital that was going to run the world, at Munich, and they would sit for hours gazing at it and coming up with new ideas for it.
They almost did it. But for various reasons, mostly to do with Hitler's incompetence and self delusion, the Nazi underestimation of the Red Army, and eventually the Allied invasion of Normandy and those two great armies' successful march on Berlin, it all went tits up for the Fuhrer and what was left (not much) of his power. We all know how it ended.
Now my question is, how does one compare Hamas to that? They both hate/ hated Jews? They both kill/killed Jews? There were and are plenty of those, unfortunatley.
Hamas is a terrorist group, an Iranian proxy, with a hamstrung political wing and a small, vastly out-manned and out-gunned bunch of fighters living and fighting from underground tunnel systems. They compare more with the Viet Cong than the Nazis, and even that comparison is thin. Bibi is using a flimsy, unsubstantiated premise to carry this comparison through, just like tweeting about finding Mien Kampf in a captured tunnel or finding Hitler portraits in a bombed house. It's bullshit, and ridiculous.
But it is the standard, well used, well known and often successful diversion the Zionist supporters and Israeli warmongers use when they are under pressure (often for accusations that they are behaving like the Nazis themselves mind you.) Criticise them and you are an anti semite, a nazi and oh, remember the Holocaust, "they are trying to do that to us again". They even tried this on the World Court this week. We will get to see what the majority of those justices think of that soon.
No, this whole thing is a smokescreen. It's bullshit and frankly I don't care if they parade a million "captured" copies of Mien Kamph, a whole bunch of Nazi and SS uniforms and the entire captured Nazi war documents, annotated, from the Nuremberg Trials found in a Hamas bunker, I don't buy it, and nor will the World Court, I hope. but more on that in a minute.
Bibi is under the gun himself, both at home and abroad. Our MSM don't report much on the demonstrations demanding his removal, or the charges he faces at home, or his attempts to take judicial power to prevent his prosecution for corruption. But that's what is happening. The Oct7 horrific attacks on Israel and the hostage taking, which if you really look at it, was only possible due to the Israeli government's and the IDF's (the 4th most powerful military on Earth) failure to do their most basic and important job, protect it's people and it's borders, is also being used as cover by Bibi, and the Likud and their far right Zionist partners in the Knesset to stay in power and keep Bibi out of jail. Something seemingly more important to them than getting their people back to me.
Hamas are not Nazis. They are murderers and terrorists who want to kill Jews, the Nazis were that I concede, but any further comparison, no matter who is making it, is frankly ridiculous and always was and you have to look at who is making it and why.
Now as for the genocide trial that took place this week, I hope those interested here took the time to see or read the cases put by both sides to make up your own mind. My impression was that the South Africans have a very good chance of getting the interim orders they sought and eventual finding of genocide. They presented a strong case, brilliantly advocated and although didn't address some of the issue they probably should have, to me won the day when you look at the Israeli argument which had some deep flaws from my understanding of it. Too detailed to go thru here.
But in reality it won't stop the Israelis, even an adverse interim finding won't stop them. Bibi has already said that. And there ain't no World Police. But it will create a moment if truth, both for the future validity of the Genocide Convention and the UN, and for the world. A genocide finding will stun both the USA and Israel, it may still save innocent lives and set in place a win for the West's much lauded "Rules based order". It will create momentum. How far that carries will be determined by world events , which right now seem to be moving quickly in various directions and these shifting sands may envelop the whole thing into something greater, even more horrific. Grim times indeed.
It's hard to prove genocide , they have to show "intent", something the prosecutors were not burdened with when the remaining Nazi leaders went on trial at Nuremberg, a hurdle they may have found difficult to prove themselves because the Nazis kept that on the quiet, there was no evidence that could have provided that 'intent' for the court then amongst the captured Nazi files, despite the glaring, widespread evidence of it, and the war crimes committed, on the ground, like the ghettos and the displacement and the death camps.
We should know in the next weeks, the actual finding and verdict will take longer. By then, other events may have eclipsed it's significance as I said.
I'm not a historian, or an expert on world politics and not even a lawyer anymore, just a guy looking to fill a couple of hours so I don't have to dwell on putting down my dog tomorrow. I like to read and think a bit, that's all. Believe in what you want.
But Hamas ain't no Nazis to me, not even close.

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“ Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darkness's of other people. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The most terrifying thing is to accept oneself completely. Your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.”

- Carl Jung

hella quote @Jelly
hella post @adam

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But Hamas ain't no Nazis to me, not even close.

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Good point.

The nazis were ashamed lied and tried to cover up their heinous crimes. Their descendants, innocent, still walk, cower even with shame over the country history.

Hamas and supporters celebrate and livestream their raping and murdering of Jews.

All the best for tomora @adam12

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Great post Adam 12

“The nazis were ashamed lied and tried to cover up their heinous crimes.”

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Nice edit @mikehunt207 ;);)

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Bonza, not entirely true to me, some truth in it, but I don't think you know all you think you do about the Nazis, or their descendants in post war Germany or even those inspired by them since.
Making such a comparison, Hamas are Nazis, whether it is an Israeli leader, a Jew, or any one, us included, to me and some others is an insult to the memories, bitter struggle and horrific deaths of those millions the Nazis killed, Jews and Gentiles, those who survived with lives and families destroyed, those who fought them, both Germans at the time, like the July 20 conspirators who gave their lives, and the men and women of both the Red Army and the Allies who risked and many of them gave their lives also to defeat them.
It's an insult, and it's not accurate, and it is using the greatest tragedy of the 20th century to somehow try to justify something going on at the moment that bears little resemblance, other than the killing of innocents.
The Nazis wanted to rule the world. The Palestinians wanted their land back and their human and sovereign rights. It has spiraled from there and many on both sides now want to get rid of the other completely. True. But who has the power and is exercising it, military and allied, that most compares to the Nazis? Not Hamas.
There's plenty of footage online of IDF soldiers doing the same thing you say about Hamas. Some even presented as evidence to the World Court this week. There's no good guys in this. But dragging the Nazis into it as a propaganda or point scoring exercise is to me, like I said, an insult. And an incorrect historical assumption, based on hearsay and flimsy proof. Hamas have their own inspiration and doctrine and it's not Aryan world supremacy, German land in the east, Mein Kampf or Hitler. Closer to home than that.
Also like I said, believe what you want. It's just my view. Worth little I know in the grand scheme of things.
I'd rather talk surfing or good times with you Bonza, but I know I started it.
Point taken, but not really accepted by me.

my gaaawwwd...

wtf was all that about?

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Reflection

Thinking about @info’s totally over the top posts today about Palestinians being Nazis ^^^ …. If he were saying something equally offensively stupid and racist about Jews would he be not rightfully called out for blatant racism and wouldn’t he have rightfully risked having his comments deleted as well as his ability to comment any further? My question is not over the top as I am aware of someone being banned here for saying some racist things about Jews about a year ago.

So fuck it, I don’t do so lightly, but to @stu and @ben, what makes @info’s post here today remotely acceptable and why is the racist cnt still here?

I've seen some hysterical bullshit from you over the years, but this take the cake

^^^

you talking about this?

"Yep ive seen shops in Java selling Nazi shit, but i think its more just pure ignorance of history more than a real anti semitic thing, like its some how cool or bad arse in some weird way.

Its really not that far fetched though that some in Gaza might idolise hitler, i mean they do literally hate Jews.

Shop in Gaza too."

ffs he even talked down its significance

no one said hamas are nazis...

just that we are aware some muslims seem to show a bit of a soft spot for hitler

SOME

it really is not that much of a stretch, you know....

'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

and all that...

nice history lesson adam12, honestly, and I wholeheartedly agree...

yet for the last 6 years or more, a certain cohort has referred to anything and anyone minutely not aligned with their world view as... well... nazis!

it's become the most drop of a hat statement out there, not lesst for the perpetually deranged...

the go to

tediously so... to the point it has no meaning or effect, and is now a point of ridicule

could you possibly rein these guys in?

because I agree, it cheapens and is just plain outright offensive to the biggest astrocity of the last century or more

Nah, Sypkan.
(didn’t wanna be opposed to ya, for a bit anyhow, lol. ah well, this, to me, is a mild difference, and here it is)…..
to just repeat what was said and claim it nothing ignores the inference.
Dirty pool to leave that out there as a trigger and then deny it as such.
I don’t think Indo was all that wrong, and there IS a sense of overreaction.
But i am sure he left it out there as a Broader Point.
And the Broader Point was taken.
And you wanna use that dynamic to score points just now.
Dirty pool, Syp.
And, hey, not as if i am not capable of same or that i haven’t done myself, even.
I am sure that i have.
we all gotta get better at communication. all of us. cuz we can’t rely on body language or tone of voice or, he’ll, even just knowing each other.
I’ll try to leave dirty pool and point scoring off this website.
Call me out when ya see it, please.
You?
Anyone else?

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https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1746277896006615384

Complete bullshit.
But I think what may have been happening...
https://twitter.com/LibertyCappy/status/1739284876153762169

Haha, very clever...

But I'd say not complete bullshit

Even muslims in indo are known to have hitler posters around the place

I was pretty ignorant to the connection at one point, and was really puzzled by it, but its a thing...

Reckon ya mistaking swastikas on Hindu temples mate!
Lived in Indo for over a decade and spent a lot of time in Java, never saw a Hitler poster or Mein Kampf.
Reckon more chance in Pauline's supporter home's here if being sighted.

Osama posters however, they were everywhere for a while!

Nah ive seen Hindu Swastikas, thats not what im talking about ive seen guys wearing T-shirts that are clearly Nazi T-shirts and there is a Metal shop in my wife's city with all kinds of Nazi/hitler paraphernalia.

If you google "Indonesia nazi paraphernalia" there are quite a few of articles about it, its a thing in not just in Indonesia but in SE Asia, but yeah seems more just a lack of understanding of history and misguided bad arse cool thing rather than a real anti Jew type thing.

"Posters of Hitler and Swastika T-shirts Are All the Rage in Indonesia"
https://www.vice.com/en/article/mv59xa/hey-indonesia-hitler-was-no-guerr...

"Southeast Asia’s weirdfascination with Hitler"
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/southeast-asia-s-weird-fas...

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no one said hamas are nazis...

just that we are aware some muslims seem to show a bit of a soft spot for hitler

SOME

it really is not that much of a stretch, you know....

'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

and all that...

@Sypkan.

Thanks.

Seriously the obsession Guy has with me and the lengths he will try to go to to try to cancel me is ridiculous.

FFS even if i called Hamas Nazi's which i didnt who really cares?

The point is it's really not a stretch that they really did find some Nazi paraphernalia probably just a one off thing but still.

Hamas aren't Nazi's, Hamas aren't even ISIS they might share some ideals and get inspiration from both, but obviously they are all very different too...just evil in different ways.

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But Hamas ain't no Nazis to me, not even close.

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Good point.

The nazis were ashamed lied and tried to cover up their heinous crimes. Their descendants, innocent, still walk, cower even with shame over the country history.

Hamas and supporters celebrate and livestream their raping and murdering of Jews.

Yep this cant be denied.

Anyone wishing to try get a proper understanding of nazi comparisons needs to watch this doco…
- bibi is a master manipulator and propagandist

The facts presented here mirror nazi tactics and intent.
… these are historical truths.

- this can’t be denied, then and now.

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Ok, looks like I set off another little bomb again.
Point taken @Syp and @Indo.
Probably/definitely an over-reaction a bit on my part with respect to your comments. Bit touchy atm.
But there was an inference there I detected. And Bibi's twitter feed and recent comments (amongst others) which imply nothing, straight line drawn directly and out in the open, and some other shit I've been seeing of late, probably were what led to my little rant, not so much you guys.
Made me want to confront that link and comparison and try to knock that kind of talk on the head, here at least.
When I was a kid and was first told about the Holocaust I was so confused and weirdly, well, hurt.
One of those things that kind of shattered my little perfect world, and world view.
Like the day I saw a photo of a Klansman sitting on a horse and thought they were some kind of cool cowboy, like the Lone Ranger or Cisco and Pancho or Chuck Connors the Rifleman, my TV heroes. So I went to the big kids library and looked them up and saw those photos of the Harrisburg lynchings and Emmett Till in his coffin with his mother standing there.
Still remember that feeling like it was yesterday. First time the world ever really hurt me. Disappointed me.
And like the Holocaust, left me bewildered and confused.
How? Why? I couldn't understand it.
Spent a big chunk of my life trying to find answers, when I did it didn't help much. More disappointment.
But I've read a lot about the Nazis over the years, looking for answers. I found many in the work of William L Shirer,, an American war correspondent who broadcast from Berlin in the lead up and during most of WW2. He knew all those monsters in person, worked and even socialised amongst them, was there at so many of the key moments and eventually had to flee for his life when he got wind the Gestapo were coming for him. He returned for the Nuremberg trials and because he was around at many of the key moments and decisions, was able to go to the captured documents, which were only released a short time, and get the truth of what went on. The Nazis were meticulous document takers. All of the meetings and discussions that took place were shorthanded then recorded. Hitler's, and his gangster's own words. Shirer, because he was there at the time and knew them, was able to distill it all and record it for history. He was also a great historian, and writer, so I've read and later re read that book a few times, and it helped me a great deal in understanding it all.
"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" if anyone wants some 'light' reading. there are many others I've read too and could recommend, or maybe refer to.
Going on another little rant again here I know. But I often hear and see Nazis talked about and used by people to make their own little, or in the case of idiot neo nazis, or Bibi Netanyahu, big, points and think to myself these people don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Bibi does know that history, so do the Zionists, which makes their comments even more offensive to me.
I'm not Jewish, but I did law at Monash, have dozens of friends who are. The Jews of Caulfield and Toorak in Melbourne got me thru law school, took me in and made me part of their crew, wouldn't have done it without them. I've had many discussions over the years with them about all this and most felt/feel the same as I do. Hate the label Nazi getting bandied about for point scoring. Many with personal family reasons for it. The thing a lot of them hate the most is when it's done by other Jews.

I'll leave my apology at that I think.
I can just picture the both of you sitting there, reading some of my bullshit, rolling your eyes and thinking "This fucking guy!".
I'm a bit all over the shop atm. Sorry.

For my little doggie's concerned mates out there, she's had a reprieve until Wednesday, couldn't get her booked in till then. we are going to spend the next couple of days hanging out here at home together.
I'll try to keep my nose out of these threads, but I'm shit at that too so no promises.

Good stuff @adam12, you’re a good fella ;)

- when my last furry friend of 11 yrs passed I’d booked him in one week for a Friday arvo…. he couldn’t walk up stairs etc, I dreaded the oncoming idea of him being put to sleep… on the Friday about mid morn he died peacefully in me lap. It was horrible but it was at home and I was there, took away the clinical aspect of going to the vet… and on reflection was a blessing in disguise. Hope it goes as smooth as possible for you… all the best ;)

And here… a different perspective… worth a watch… unfiltered, raw… interesting stuff ;);)

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When the Jews returned to their true indigenous home land in 1948 there was nothing there.
Barren wasteland that had been over run by Arab Bedouin cattle for many years.
Swamps so filled with malaria that the Jews suffered for years with the disease.
But…they worked hard and made the desert bloom. They drained the swamps and diverted the water for farming. They started collective kibbutz farms and worked as a team. They built an enviable society out of the leftover dust of their heritage lands.
They specialised in glasshouse farming and invented micro irrigation. They cultured new crops that could grow in salty ground. They also shared all their discoveries with their Arab neighbours so everyone would benefit.
This is the reality of Israel, not some manufactured bullshit you tube nonsense.
They came home, they fixed the place and they prospered.
The only people who were jealous were the Islamic jihad crowd because they actually produce nothing,.. they fix nothing …they do nothing but parasite off others until there’s nothing left then move on.
You don’t have to like bibi either as many don’t, but he is a soldier and he’s good at that and when you have a war you need a soldier not a bullshitting pollie.
I’m sure if and when this war is ever over, the Israelis will vote him out and get someone else, but until then they need an army guy with experience.
So, the reason Israel is a nice place, is because of the Israelis and their hard work and vision…nobody else wanted the place , it was a dump until they came along and transformed it. So teach your kids the truth as they are being used by fools.

No such thing as a good soldier (thou shalt not kill) ooops ;)
- soldiers should not be politicians either - vested interests, revenge mentality to unfinished business… bloodlust. Not the qualities necessary for diplomacy.

… bibi can be compared to hitler tho, its valid - invoking alamek etc.
- his record speaks for itself.

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^^^ enough ammo for war as a distraction and to hang onto power.

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… and check out the stormtroopers ;)
- these guys are revered as heroes to zionists

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no need to apologise, I saw the angle you were coming from (after), and I saw the humour in the initial tweets

all I was saying is, it is not that much of a stretch, indod piped in with his experience, and a shit storm took off...

"...I'll leave my apology at that I think.
I can just picture the both of you sitting there, reading some of my bullshit, rolling your eyes and thinking "This fucking guy!"..."

yeh, but trust me, it wasn't about you

fwiw, twitter is full of pro-palestine crrew calling israel nazis, and likewise the opposite...

same with genocide, I don't see any of it as helpful...

as your rant rightly points out, its all gonna come down to 'intent' ...which means a big yeh nah...

war crimes is a different story...

rant on... your information is good...

and give the little fella a pat

No comment/action/inaction from the SN commentariat nor Emporium management not unforeseen such is the racist demonisation of innocent citizens of Palestine; congratulations SN you’re just another cog in the wheel.

…flopti :
“ When the Jews returned to their true indigenous home land in 1948 there was nothing there. “

(‘nothing there’ is a more suitable reference to your brain)

- stop lying to suit your ridiculous fantasies flopti.
- the 450,000 Palestinians there at the time would beg to differ ;)

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Get out of your mums basement you tube moron.

^^^ Haha ;)

- says the pedo denier with his head up his arse ;);)

Got any other bs tall tales to tell?
- or is planet heaven all u got ;);)

'Nothing there' haha