The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

seeds wrote:

Optideluded’s clip from the 700 Club. What a foray into his historical beliefs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_700_Club
Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye were the first presenters on this gobbledegook TV biblical bollocking to the brain dead.

Jim Bakker another televangelist who couldn’t keep is dick in his pants and his clammy hands out of the till ….. https://m.

Think someone has the mind virus!! ;)

Not a mind virus. Just an odious individual.

southernraw wrote:

oliver.ricci wrote:

mate ffs that green room weirdo mentioned blue diamond, not me, I haven’t noticed that commenter. southernraw I love watching you you try so hard to sound like so informed, reasonable and academic to hide your antisemitism and pro terrorist stance

Can an anti semite have a Jewish girlfriend?
Fuckwit.

Yeah @ Southern, you semite lovin' anti semite. Get it right. @greenroom just piped up to tell ollie, "Yo dude, that ain't cool y'all" to tell you that it was him not ollie, ollie wasn't even born then was he? If so, ollie has the savant like memory for such detail, and so quick too, but I reckon it was greenroom telling him, and right now they're arguing because ollie called him a wierdo, and "dude, that ain't cool yo" and GSCO's in there telling them both to quiet down, they're blowing this. That green slime spew is boiling up in his gullet again. that priest better duck!
Good times!
I'm outta here.

oliver.ricci wrote:

trying to write me off as a previous commenter is fucking imbecilic and boring, and a great deflection, Hamas fucboi. adam12 your recent novels in here sound “like so fantabulous and in tune with the cosmic vibrations” but are really just the factually incorrect, acid filled, schizophrenic ramblings of a psychopathic extreme leftie. And basesix just sucks up everyone’s arse in an orgy of group love, he’s no genius, fucking dull and unoriginal really.

Oliver.ricci
It’s amazing, you’ve just described yourself to a tee “fucking dull and unoriginal “
and you certainly ain’t no genius.

Does someone else type for you, with such a lack of brains I can’t imagine how you’d punch those keys ? Then again, you’re just a puppet, someone else is definitely pulling your strings or some other appendage.

Well pal. You’ve not displayed one ounce or degree of intelligence since you poked your head out from inside your own arse. I wouldn’t mind betting your nickname is ‘turdle.’

You are seriously ill and I’d recommend you seek help (I’m serious) or get your current meds assessed, it appears you are psychologically and chemically out of whack.
It’s amazing you can spell let alone type when you’ve got one hand firmly placed around your phallic gearstick. Let it go every now and then, it’s affecting your mental state or at least drop it into first gear and see how it goes, coughs and spurts the whole way to the first turn, wanker.

You are the only tool purporting that many of us are anti Israel.
Do you see or hear us saying you’re ’pro Israel’, NO.

I think you need to be reminded, this is an ‘opinion’ forum, I/we make a comment (opinion), you or somebody else comments with your ‘opinion’. Do you get it ?
I don’t think you do. AW

yep, you got my number @oliver, haha, dull and unoriginal, just like everyone. Sounds good to me. You realise we all are don't you? I've never found clowns very interesting.

Seems it is a very few chip-on-shoulder types, that come on here, who think their opinion matters (or worse, is the TRUTH, and makes them 'part of something big', bahahaha)

Sometimes, they are bewildered when everyone thinks they're a bit of a wanker. You know the sort? Preachy and sanctimonious.. not interested in others.. judgey arseholes under the misapprehension they are being edgy and cool..

but an even smaller few do it in full awareness of what they are doing, in a tragic attempt to convince themselves that they are interesting.

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This should be of concern to all Australians for a number of reasons. Sovereignty and the responsible allocation of tax dollars being just two of many concerns. News today that Australia will do a test run to “Prove Capability”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/government-weapons-facility-guide...

ABC article fails to mention we’re getting into bed with Lockheed Martin.

soggydog wrote:

This should be of concern to all Australians for a number of reasons. Sovereignty and the responsible allocation of tax dollars being just two of many concerns. News today that Australia will do a test run to “Prove Capability”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/government-weapons-facility-guide...

ABC article fails to mention we’re getting into bed with Lockheed Martin.

yep..a real concern.

we should light a fire, invite the baddies to sit around and toast marshmallows and talk about our feelings. Then trust them to do the right thing.

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soggydog wrote:

This should be of concern to all Australians for a number of reasons. Sovereignty and the responsible allocation of tax dollars being just two of many concerns. News today that Australia will do a test run to “Prove Capability”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/government-weapons-facility-guide...

ABC article fails to mention we’re getting into bed with Lockheed Martin.

Few years old and is kind of a concern.
However I reckon Australia should be planning of becoming self reliant defense wise, key word defence!
Improve our capabilities to protect our shores whether through missile defence, strong infantry capabilities suited to Australia and other such methods.
This doesn't include embedding ourselves with USA with crap like nuclear subs to patrol South China Sea miles from our own land to intimidate and aggrevate our main trading partner.

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I hate war and agree you shouldn’t leave your turf so if you trained 1 million Australian volunteer tradesmen and women or anyone with practical skills to operate a rifle properly with training every 6 months or so and put 1 million guns in highly secure bunkers around the country controlled by the army, no one would ever bother invading us and our defence would be secure and on standby.
Secure as America but no one can take the guns home to shoot the wrong folks.
China may have a lot of troops but you still have to move them around the world …but if they keep buying countries like the Solomon’s and today Nauru I suppose they can get a bit closer by stealth.
We need to be self reliant like Israel. I’m not convinced subs are a good idea. Missiles are the go and small fast Australian made planes. We actually used to make them. ….And a swarm of little fast Aussie ones would be better than a few big expensive American ones….we need to grow up and be self dependant.

The logistics with invading Australia make it really non-starter in my uniformed opinion.
But yeah, self-reliance would be a start, and maybe not having our emergency fuel reserves stored in USA.
Anyway getting off topic.

"We need to be self reliant like Israel. '
Dunno about that one Opti.
Seems like they've needed a lot of US weapons/support just to fight a terrorist org. in one enclave.
But anyway, reckon Keating was on the money at the NPC last year. Just ring the joint with Collins Class so they all know, I think his words were "They'd get a big bonk on the head".
And China couldn't control our cities and fight a Pacific War at the same time, even with their resources.
I'm sure the hawks at ASPI sit around war gaming this shit every day.
My thoughts are if they beat the US Fleet in the Pacific, they wouldn't need to invade. Some / a fair bit of surgical striking and when the TV comes back on we'd be looking at some quisling like Twiggy telling us it's all gonna be ok and to carry on.
Dunno about the Bogan Army idea either. They'd just have to blow up the armouries to invalidate that option.
Who knows, if that fkn orange deranged clown gets back in over there in 'merica. I for one might be inclined to maybe welcome our new Chinese overlords (not really).

Optimist wrote:

I hate war and agree you shouldn’t leave your turf so if you trained 1 million Australian volunteer tradesmen and women or anyone with practical skills to operate a rifle properly with training every 6 months or so and put 1 million guns in highly secure bunkers around the country controlled by the army, no one would ever bother invading us and our defence would be secure and on standby.
Secure as America but no one can take the guns home to shoot the wrong folks.
China may have a lot of troops but you still have to move them around the world …but if they keep buying countries like the Solomon’s and today Nauru I suppose they can get a bit closer by stealth.
We need to be self reliant like Israel. I’m not convinced subs are a good idea. Missiles are the go and small fast Australian made planes. We actually used to make them. ….And a swarm of little fast Aussie ones would be better than a few big expensive American ones….we need to grow up and be self dependant.

Optimist. Hi hope ya well.
Just my opinion.

Nearly choked on my lunch , we certainly DO NOT need to be like Israel, have you been wearing blinkers of late, says who, that we need to be self reliant like them ?
I/we would should never want to be like them, slain folks everywhere, all under the pretence of showing their population how aggressive they can be and won’t stop at anything, a real Netanyahu response to save his arse.
Self reliant my arse, are you forgetting that a country with a lot of Stars and Stripes on its flag has an almost metaphorical conduit to that part of the Middle East.

Aren’t we all sick of the killing, Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, enough is enough, it achieves nothing but filling the pockets of global arms manufacturers.
How about Australia behave as a defence force and stop laying in bed with the yanks .
Or; Are we too far down the track with them.

This pointless killing of people is wearing me thin.AW

We need to be self reliant. Very true.
- “We need to be self reliant like Israel.” This is complete nonsense ;)

… one can really entertain absurd falsities and make up utter untruths.

Talk about fairytales ;);)

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AlfredWallace wrote:

Optimist wrote:

I hate war and agree you shouldn’t leave your turf so if you trained 1 million Australian volunteer tradesmen and women or anyone with practical skills to operate a rifle properly with training every 6 months or so and put 1 million guns in highly secure bunkers around the country controlled by the army, no one would ever bother invading us and our defence would be secure and on standby.
Secure as America but no one can take the guns home to shoot the wrong folks.
China may have a lot of troops but you still have to move them around the world …but if they keep buying countries like the Solomon’s and today Nauru I suppose they can get a bit closer by stealth.
We need to be self reliant like Israel. I’m not convinced subs are a good idea. Missiles are the go and small fast Australian made planes. We actually used to make them. ….And a swarm of little fast Aussie ones would be better than a few big expensive American ones….we need to grow up and be self dependant.

Optimist. Hi hope ya well.
Just my opinion.

Nearly choked on my lunch , we certainly DO NOT need to be like Israel, have you been wearing blinkers of late, says who, that we need to be self reliant like them ?
I/we would should never want to be like them, slain folks everywhere, all under the pretence of showing their population how aggressive they can be and won’t stop at anything, a real Netanyahu response to save his arse.
Self reliant my arse, are you forgetting that a country with a lot of Stars and Stripes on its flag has an almost metaphorical conduit to that part of the Middle East.

Aren’t we all sick of the killing, Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, enough is enough, it achieves nothing but filling the pockets of global arms manufacturers.
How about Australia behave as a defence force and stop laying in bed with the yanks .
Or; Are we too far down the track with them.

This pointless killing of people is wearing me thin.AW

newsflash

The world does not play by your rules, AW.
RK

Roadkill wrote:

AlfredWallace wrote:

Optimist wrote:

I hate war and agree you shouldn’t leave your turf so if you trained 1 million Australian volunteer tradesmen and women or anyone with practical skills to operate a rifle properly with training every 6 months or so and put 1 million guns in highly secure bunkers around the country controlled by the army, no one would ever bother invading us and our defence would be secure and on standby.
Secure as America but no one can take the guns home to shoot the wrong folks.
China may have a lot of troops but you still have to move them around the world …but if they keep buying countries like the Solomon’s and today Nauru I suppose they can get a bit closer by stealth.
We need to be self reliant like Israel. I’m not convinced subs are a good idea. Missiles are the go and small fast Australian made planes. We actually used to make them. ….And a swarm of little fast Aussie ones would be better than a few big expensive American ones….we need to grow up and be self dependant.

Optimist. Hi hope ya well.
Just my opinion.

Nearly choked on my lunch , we certainly DO NOT need to be like Israel, have you been wearing blinkers of late, says who, that we need to be self reliant like them ?
I/we would should never want to be like them, slain folks everywhere, all under the pretence of showing their population how aggressive they can be and won’t stop at anything, a real Netanyahu response to save his arse.
Self reliant my arse, are you forgetting that a country with a lot of Stars and Stripes on its flag has an almost metaphorical conduit to that part of the Middle East.

Aren’t we all sick of the killing, Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, enough is enough, it achieves nothing but filling the pockets of global arms manufacturers.
How about Australia behave as a defence force and stop laying in bed with the yanks .
Or; Are we too far down the track with them.

This pointless killing of people is wearing me thin.AW

newsflash

The world does not play by your rules, AW.
RK

Roadkill. Hi mate. Enlighten me, what are the rules ? AW

Am aware pedantry is a sin on these pages, but c'mon, really?
The black hole that is the brain of one DJ Trump, our future Commander in Chief., Albo's next American cuddle partner, and this year's new owner of the nuclear codes.
Safe hands...

Some of his best friends are black 😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/O5bHoZ9Xah

— mlb kiwi 🫵🖐️😛🤚 (@mlbkiwi) January 15, 2024

adam12 wrote:

Am aware pedantry is a sin on these pages, but c'mon, really?
The black hole that is the brain of one DJ Trump, our future Commander in Chief., Albo's next American cuddle partner, and this year's new owner of the nuclear codes.
Safe hands...
https://twitter.com/mlbkiwi/status/1746983471002902749

"I marched with King" ;) Fuck he is delusionally hilarious, for a fake account.

Not securing the boarders and putting a halt to the inflow of people is the stupidest thing the Dems have done. That alone might get Trump back in.

"That alone might get Trump back in."

yep, literally millioms of people in a couple of years

last week they cancelled school for kids... hotels were full, and they needed somewhere to house 'migrants'...

how democrats can think people don't notice this shit beggars belief

"That alone might get Trump back in."

yep, literally millioms of people in a couple of years

last week they cancelled school for kids... hotels were full, and they needed somewhere to house 'migrants'...

how democrats can think people don't notice this shit beggars belief

Trump in power when China regains "their" territories

Nauru now has a seat on the big table with BRICS

andy-mac wrote:

soggydog wrote:

This should be of concern to all Australians for a number of reasons. Sovereignty and the responsible allocation of tax dollars being just two of many concerns. News today that Australia will do a test run to “Prove Capability”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/government-weapons-facility-guide...

ABC article fails to mention we’re getting into bed with Lockheed Martin.

Few years old and is kind of a concern.
However I reckon Australia should be planning of becoming self reliant defense wise, key word defence!
Improve our capabilities to protect our shores whether through missile defence, strong infantry capabilities suited to Australia and other such methods.
This doesn't include embedding ourselves with USA with crap like nuclear subs to patrol South China Sea miles from our own land to intimidate and aggrevate our main trading partner.

Yep and indenturing ourselves to the Military Industrial Complex. Lockheed Martin isn’t some squeaky clean company that enters into mutually beneficial relationships. There’s one benefactor in this transaction and it won’t be Australia. It further solidify’s our status as chief bitch to the US. An extension of AUKUS. Which I think is having a profound effect on Albo’s decision making in regard to support in the ME.
Amongst other things.

US Arms Dealers not squeaky clean hahahah, love it comment of the day

soggydog wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

soggydog wrote:

This should be of concern to all Australians for a number of reasons. Sovereignty and the responsible allocation of tax dollars being just two of many concerns. News today that Australia will do a test run to “Prove Capability”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/government-weapons-facility-guide...

ABC article fails to mention we’re getting into bed with Lockheed Martin.

Few years old and is kind of a concern.
However I reckon Australia should be planning of becoming self reliant defense wise, key word defence!
Improve our capabilities to protect our shores whether through missile defence, strong infantry capabilities suited to Australia and other such methods.
This doesn't include embedding ourselves with USA with crap like nuclear subs to patrol South China Sea miles from our own land to intimidate and aggrevate our main trading partner.

Yep and indenturing ourselves to the Military Industrial Complex. Lockheed Martin isn’t some squeaky clean company that enters into mutually beneficial relationships. There’s one benefactor in this transaction and it won’t be Australia. It further solidify’s our status as chief bitch to the US. An extension of AUKUS. Which I think is having a profound effect on Albo’s decision making in regard to support in the ME.
Amongst other things.

True, but in Albo's defense, don't reckon he has a choice. Last govt that stood up to USA didn't last very long in 74.
Reckon something similar to this goes down. ;)

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AlfredWallace wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

AlfredWallace wrote:

Optimist wrote:

I hate war and agree you shouldn’t leave your turf so if you trained 1 million Australian volunteer tradesmen and women or anyone with practical skills to operate a rifle properly with training every 6 months or so and put 1 million guns in highly secure bunkers around the country controlled by the army, no one would ever bother invading us and our defence would be secure and on standby.
Secure as America but no one can take the guns home to shoot the wrong folks.
China may have a lot of troops but you still have to move them around the world …but if they keep buying countries like the Solomon’s and today Nauru I suppose they can get a bit closer by stealth.
We need to be self reliant like Israel. I’m not convinced subs are a good idea. Missiles are the go and small fast Australian made planes. We actually used to make them. ….And a swarm of little fast Aussie ones would be better than a few big expensive American ones….we need to grow up and be self dependant.

Optimist. Hi hope ya well.
Just my opinion.

Nearly choked on my lunch , we certainly DO NOT need to be like Israel, have you been wearing blinkers of late, says who, that we need to be self reliant like them ?
I/we would should never want to be like them, slain folks everywhere, all under the pretence of showing their population how aggressive they can be and won’t stop at anything, a real Netanyahu response to save his arse.
Self reliant my arse, are you forgetting that a country with a lot of Stars and Stripes on its flag has an almost metaphorical conduit to that part of the Middle East.

Aren’t we all sick of the killing, Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis, Palestinians, enough is enough, it achieves nothing but filling the pockets of global arms manufacturers.
How about Australia behave as a defence force and stop laying in bed with the yanks .
Or; Are we too far down the track with them.

This pointless killing of people is wearing me thin.AW

newsflash

The world does not play by your rules, AW.
RK

Roadkill. Hi mate. Enlighten me, what are the rules ? AW

The rule of strength and power, same as its been since the dawn of time same as it will always be.

Even if you dont use that power you need to have it so others think twice, or be aligned with others that have it, like Australia is aligned with the USA.

Your thinking is naive and idealistic, if you ran a country that others had interest in you would just get walked over and destroyed.

Other countries and leaders dont care about your ideals, they would just see you and weak and a fool and say, cheers thank-you very much

seaslug wrote:

Nauru now has a seat on the big table with BRICS

seaslug wrote:

Nauru now has a seat on the big table with BRICS

I gotta say... its pretty disappointing how fickle these island countries are...

yeh, I know we used up narau, but there's a heap of them we invested in and sent aid to, for decades.... a bigger wallet walks into town... and they sell their souls...

no loyalty whatsoever, just resentment...

I don't really care, if their 'leaders' are that pathetic, corrupt, and easily bought...

but it is a disaster for the little people and the long view

Agree Sypkan

New Guinea is next…corrupt as heck there…but it could be a good thing as we would save millions and they would keep the Chinese flat out busy with their antics…it’ll be like putting a dozen feral cats in a cardboard box…..China…”hey who stole all our guns?”……New Guinea...”it wasn’t us but for a dozen pigs I’ll find them for ya”….
Should be a great place for them to police…

The Solomon Islands corruptly sold themselves to China.

Fiji have allowed themselves to be done by China except they are regretting it now and have made moves back to closer Fiji/NZ ties.

PNG and China

However, the Chinese always overplay their hands and start to bully the locals. Most islanders would prefer island/NZ/Aus ties as they see the reality.

Remember, the more you stretch your supply lines, the easier it is for the other side to roll you...

It's a long supply line from the USA, across the Pacific to 200km off the Chinese mainland, lots of blood required as well.

Optimist wrote:

New Guinea is next…corrupt as heck there…but it could be a good thing as we would save millions and they would keep the Chinese flat out busy with their antics…it’ll be like putting a dozen feral cats in a cardboard box…..China…”hey who stole all our guns?”……New Guinea...”it wasn’t us but for a dozen pigs I’ll find them for ya”….
Should be a great place for them to police…

In the early 90's, the company I worked for was buying metal out of PNG , the Solomons etc.
My predecessor had been advancing $US20K per container to a guy in PNG (who shall remain nameless). From memory I 'inherited' a $200K loss (10 containers worth) for metal that was never shipped.
Guy in PNG gets away with the money and a few years later gets elected Prime Minister...no joke

PNG ranks 137 on the Corruptions Perceptions Index
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022/index/nzl

My mad 2c, Trump will win the primaries, Trump will go into the election and have rallies with 10s of thousands of people attending, the election day will come, polls will close, counting will get stopped late in the evening, it will restart in the early hours of the morning, and the other guy will win.

In a way it's a good thing as at this point in time the US can't afford to oscillate in its geopolitical strategy. Playing for all the marbles has begun and the US swing from isolationism/being active in global affairs that's characterised it's reign as hegemon can't continue. Neither side will allow itself to fail at this point. And for us, who wins the marbles is very important as it dictates how our lives will look, how our children's lives will look. Do you like the kind of democracy Australia is? Could you want for something better? Could you end up with something worse?

Indeed VJ re 2nd point but Trump will win unless Michelle decides to run and then who knows

Trump has lost a huge amount of support amongst Republican voting farmers. His tariffs stuffed a lot of them. They got compensation but want to be paid through the usual channels for their products. They didn’t like his false promises and bs and bluster that cost them.

Just think of the joy we've got coming up, 11 months of "discussing it hahahaha" on SN...

seaslug, I think the US is more embedded forward than you might think

Interesting article from a little while ago about Fiji.
Covid really hammered these sth pac islands financially with loss of tourism.
Ripe for the picking it would seem.
A couple of other points to add...maybe Fijians and other island nations don't hold our western culture in such high esteem..., and also Fiji has the Indian influence already there, which has had a strong impact on local politics and culture both good and bad. While they love our rugby sides, they have also seen us and other western nations take take taking from them, without giving an awful lot back. I've seen it first hand.
That's just my 2cents worth.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14633276

seaslug wrote:

Just think of the joy we've got coming up, 11 months of "discussing it hahahaha" on SN...

my post above, that's why I'm not going to be worrying about any of it for the 11 months coming up...

No VJ, fully understand that, even just looking at home we have had increases in our military in the north, Cocos island runway extensions, military exercises held for the 1st time with PHP etc

It's great power competition once more and power is all that matters now. One thing I've noticed about Trump/Biden - Biden continued Trumps trade policies, and then some. The US is reindustrialising at an astounding speed (and we are...um...??) The Inflation Reduction Act lit a fire under tech accumulation, they are actually rebuilding steel mills, I've even read in the UK they are just putting up factories without red/green tape... The US fleet is being upgraded with weapons systems that seem pure fantasy to me. I suspect no matter who wins the US will continue this path so in a way it doesn't matter.

In the meantime, China/Russia/Iran are trying to push and extend the Western militaries and munitions supplies, and are showing up strains and shortfalls. One really interesting take I got on this whole Houthi missiles/warship strikes escalation was that the US is withdrawing from it's role of global maritime police (can I say World Police?) and this doesn't mean they won't police, they will just police for their friends, and the rest is fair game. Almost like 'unleash project mayhem'. We really should have sent a ship.

^^^ posts regarding the Pacific all brought to you by decades of foreign aide cuts/ neglect with our (and the US’) eyes off our backyard and participation in illegal wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

A complete and utter foreign policy failure started by Howard but continued by successive governments