Vaccinate or not
Vic Local
You seem like a passionate Australian and I do not doubt that are saying what you believe to be right and in the best interest of Australia .
The ONLY view I would ask you to reconsider is the view to mandate vaccines .
On this issue you will be proved VERY wrong !
Tomas Paine wrote a manifesto that had a great effect on Americans and the writing of the Declaration of Independence . Its title was Common Sense .
"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.”"
Why does everybody keep pretending there isn’t a clause to test weekly instead
Weird
‘Former FDA head and current Pfizer Board Member’...
Top 40 Vax/pop Rollouts = Top 40 Covid spreaders by population or other.
There are 3 Top 40 vaxerz with periods of Low Covid....However! All are Islands or vast wilderness
Singapore is an Island (Were on a rapid Vax drop now slowing to a curve that slowly rises Covid)
Bhutan is a Wilderness NP ( Vax / Covid spike both history now flatlining )
Wilderness Outpost Iceland ( Covid Vax / Spike all gone in the bin, back to boring Low Vax > Low Covid)
All other Top 40 Vax Rollout Nations are spreading record Covid over unvaxed Populations.
Not making it up...countless charts are easy to access...can't help that Media refuse to report the fact.
Apology for sharing common knowledge...that Rollouts spread Covid. (Big Time!)
Since Feb...tbb has been constantly searching for Rainbow Vax Rollouts as reported in last comment.
Holy Grail is still the Focus of tbb's research...Vax or No Vax or Minerals!
For example:
Micronesia never had one Local Covid case pre or post Vax
Other Oceans of Mass Vaxerz
Covid Rank -Seychelles #1 > Gibraltar #4 > San Marino #5 > Maldives #9
tbb has been working on that...report soon...as need to cross check a few related Mainland sites.
Sure! It instantly pops out as Ocean v Ocean but it's more about the concentration of certain Minerals.
Crew will notice that tbb put lipstick on Argentina & Indonesia...just trying to paint Vax in a good light!
Note! tbb should report that both nations back check their vax step ups ...not a clean ramp.
Therefore the Vax is still considered as a weapon more than a cure if not Rolled out with Kid Gloves.
No, tbb is not joking...Check yer Vax Top 40 (It's alive!)...get well soon NSW.
"The ONLY view I would ask you to reconsider is the view to mandate vaccines ."
Oh FFS Hutchy, the govt is not mandating vaccines. I don't support pinning people down for a shot in the arm.
I do believe there should be consequences for people who chose not to get the vaccine because their decisions put others in danger.
Companies owe a duty of care to their staff and customers. They should never be under an obligation to serve some selfish anti-vax fuckwits at the expense of others.
It's called consequences, and I couldn't give a flying fuck about some anti-vax whining Karen crying about freedoms. These cunts made their bed, they can now lie in them.
OK Vic Local I was wrong .
The US is doing it . I believe you understand that by banning someone from working or travelling in Australia due to not having a vax is a mandate .
This statement causes me concern . What consequences ?
"I do believe there should be consequences for people who chose not to get the vaccine because their decisions put others in danger."
" I believe you understand that by banning someone from working or travelling in Australia due to not having a vax is a mandate ."
No it's not. It's a fucking consequence you stupid person.
There's a reason why we have working with children checks too champ. One of the consequences of being a kiddie fiddler is you're not allowed to work with children. it's the exact same principles why non-vaccinated people can't work in specific sectors.
Anti-vaxxers are just so selfish. They don't want to take a tiny risk of vaccine side effects, even though this puts other people at risk. If some anti-vax aged care worker demanded to keep their job, you'd take their side. Me on the other hand take the side of the residents, the resident's families, and the aged care workers who do get vaccinated.
Your position is just flat out nuts Hutchy.
But kiddy fiddlers are allowed to interact in society freely and cross borders Vic. How about an Electronic ID card for them. They are far more of a threat to kids than COVID. Your comparison is flawed again.
”Japan situation isn't an endorsement of Ivermectin and a treatment for covid. Social media users were just getting a little excited and wrong.”
Hi Vic, last I'm going to write on this and yes you are right but also technically wrong. While Ivermectin is not endorsed at a national level it is still left to the discretion of the prefectures (basically absolving the government of any responsibility and keeping them in line with their allies, namely the US) so at a prefectural level doctors are able to prescribe Ivermectin at their discretion and are doing so albeit in small numbers and on a case by case basis.
Ok Vlocal
You have made your point clear .
You do believe in Mandating vaccination . You say one thing and then the opposite in the same paragraph . Such a hypocrite !
It IS proved that those with vaccines are catching Covid 19 and therefore all the other variants that will appear .
If a vaxed child worker has the vaccine and the virus they can give it to the kids . If an unvaxed worker has the virus they can give it to the kids .
Both need to be tested if they have symptoms and pose the same risks to children if contagious . Please don't say the unvaxed pose more risk as a parent with a child who gets covid from a vaxed worker will rip your head off .
"But kiddy fiddlers are allowed to interact in society freely".
No they are not you complete and utter muppet.
They can't work in schools, they can't coach kids soccer, they can't teach kids to swim, and most can't loiter outside schools.
Those rules are there to protect potential victims and that's how it should be.
Your batshit crazy "unlimited freedom for the anti-vax cunts" flips that situation. You want to protect the freedoms of the idiots, not the freedoms of people these cunts impact.
Let's take the following scenario. You've got an anti-vax fucker who wants to fly to Sydney. They will be on a plane with unvaccinated kids, who do get covid, do get sick, and don't have access to a vaccine yet. You lot are demanding freedoms for the anti-vaxxer cunt, rather than the kid's right to be on a safer flight. Yes, your "rights for fuckwits" agenda is truly whacked.
"...That acceptance, however, has been creeping into something more unnerving. The temporary is starting to feel more permanent. And what started as necessary and proportionate restrictions on freedom, with strong public support, is starting to turn into something rather more oppressive.
This is what is happening right now in our two largest cities. Sydney and Melbourne are witnessing the normalisation of emergency — one marked by the militarisation of our pandemic response, the over-policing of our most vulnerable communities, and the alarming over-reach of government power..."
"...In Melbourne, the city is on course to be the most locked down in the world. Since the end of March 2020, it has endured more than 210 days of lockdown restrictions — second only to Buenos Aries. The Victorian government has brought back a nightly curfew during the current lockdown. It has even moved to close public playgrounds without offering any evidence that they were a risk to public health. These are the toughest restrictions the city has endured since the onset of the pandemic..."
'...During more normal times, you would expect the usual voices to speak out in defence of human rights and social justice. Not this time. The response from Australian public intellectuals and those who identify with the left has been astonishingly muted. At best, there’s resigned acceptance that the pandemic will unavoidably tear at our social fabric — that our fate must be to endure it with grim stoicism.
Something profound has happened during this pandemic. COVID-19 has not only upended our daily lives in this country, but also the ideological political order.
When COVID-19 first hit last year, progressives across the world were adamant that we needed to come out of the pandemic with a better society. Countries shouldn’t be snapping back to normal. Rather, they should be grappling with inequality, securing human rights, and confronting the climate catastrophe. “Build back better” became a global slogan.
This year, the mood in Australia is very different. You might have expected the progressive agenda to only grow more urgent. Instead, the progressive consensus has become sharply more conservative. It has swung in support of “Fortress Australia”. There is strong acceptance that Australia needs to remain closed and must maintain lockdowns — the harder, the better — for at least as long as our vaccination rates are low. Indeed, many are cheering lockdowns on.
This has never been clearer than in the last few weeks. Left-leaning voices have been loudly sceptical of the national plan to begin easing restrictions once 70 per cent of adults are fully vaccinated. Any ambition to reopen Australian society is regularly shouted down on social media. Left-leaning commentators increasingly insist that the absence of a vaccine for young children makes reopening impossible, despite the explicit reassurances of the country’s leading paediatricians. Talk about “freedom” is routinely derided as libertarian excess, as though rights and liberties were yearned after only by the wealthy and by right-wing culture warriors, and not by the population at large..."
"...The happy acceptance about closed Australian borders reveals that cultural cosmopolitanism has been overshadowed by economic protectionism. Many don’t wish to see a return to a pre-pandemic status quo, believing that immigration fuels an economy of cheap growth and precarious work. This has been emboldened by recent admissions from the Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe that high immigration has contributed to the country’s sluggish wages growth.
More potent still is the strain of “zero-COVID” thinking that has infected large segments of the Australian left. In part a reaction against the Morrison government, and manifested as dogmatic backing of Labor state governments pursuing lockdowns, the Australian centre-left continues to offer loud support for a long-term elimination strategy to the virus. Any challenge to this right now invites charges about reckless intent. Twitter activists and Guardian columnists ask: How many people are you willing to have die? How many children are you willing to sacrifice? How can any reopening ever be safe?..."
Vic Local wrote:" I believe you understand that by banning someone from working or travelling in Australia due to not having a vax is a mandate ."
No it's not. It's a fucking consequence you stupid person.
There's a reason why we have working with children checks too champ. One of the consequences of being a kiddie fiddler is you're not allowed to work with children. it's the exact same principles why non-vaccinated people can't work in specific sectors.
Anti-vaxxers are just so selfish. They don't want to take a tiny risk of vaccine side effects, even though this puts other people at risk. If some anti-vax aged care worker demanded to keep their job, you'd take their side. Me on the other hand take the side of the residents, the resident's families, and the aged care workers who do get vaccinated.
Your position is just flat out nuts Hutchy.
VL, you are arguing with the stupidest person in here..the dude can’t even form a rationale argument..lol. He is all over the place.
You can’t argue with stupid. Every thread is full of his ramblings.
Yeah but a vaxxed fiddler could be on-board..
When did anyone in history blame someone else for catching the flu? Talk about over hyped over entitled horse shit that your perpetuating.
Man you don’t even understand what you are saying. You are all for ‘take responsibility for your actions’, so yeah if you’re scared of COVID stay the fk home and if you go out and catch it, deal with it. If you ain’t scared, roll on.
Watch how quick it all disappears.
Let’s face it if you hadn’t been watching the news or locked down for the last 2 yrs you wouldn’t be a scared little man or even know it existed as the stats would be absorbed in every other scary ass thing that goes on daily.
Let's take your "no consequences / freedoms for the arseholes" agenda and put it in a surf situation.
We're in the lineup and some absolute putz comes out on a 100+ litre SUP with no legrope. He can't duck dive or control the thing and he's just run over some poor bloke having a quiet surf, opening up a massive head wound.
I would respond by saying "Hey dickhead. Fuck off before you kill someone. And maybe you should help pay the medical bills of the guy who's skull you just caved in"
You blokes, would be saying "Hey shut up Vic Local, I support this guys right to be here. Actually fuck it, let the bloke ride the SUP in the flags. Why should he face any consequences for being an absolute cunt".
That's pretty much your "no consequences for anti-vaxxers" argument.
Yep there it is again the smell of Vic Roadkill
"...What this shows is that far too many have fallen under the thrall of fear. Far too many have started to believe that restrictions on people’s freedom isn’t just tolerable, but now normal. The pandemic is insidious in this way. It explains why those who have been most critical of restrictions on freedoms and liberties have been from the right of politics, not the left. Much as they did with the language of patriotism in the past, the centre-left is vacating the arena when it comes to human rights.
Perhaps the Australian left has made the mistake of seeing too much culture war in responses to COVID-19.
...For large numbers of Australian progressives, however, countenancing any notion of “living with COVID” at all equates to ideological libertarian madness. Anyone advocating for the reopening of Australian borders or society is suspected of being in the service of free-market fundamentalism and a twenty-first century social Darwinism, which revels in letting people die. Pointing out the economic and social costs of lockdown is regarded as some indulgence of right-wing laissez-faire. The only sound progressive stance, if you take this view, is to adhere to the safety of zero COVID. This is what happens when you live in a politics so definitely shaped by culture war: everything becomes a proxy for the culture war.
Yet all this is a dead end for the left. “Zero-COVID” is an entirely unsustainable strategy. The virus causing COVID-19 will not disappear from the world. As the majority of the world’s scientists agree, the virus will become endemic and freely circulate. It is as much of a fantasy to think we can eliminate the virus, as it is to think that human beings have not caused our climate to change. A vaccinated population won’t mean that the virus will disappear — it just means that we have a reasonable protection against the worst of it. At some point, we will need to shift our attention away from avoiding case numbers and to the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths.
We’re in dangerous territory for progressive political culture. Not least because the grip that fear of COVID-19 has on us right now will soon loosen. As more people get vaccinated, more and more will find it hard to tolerate living half a life under stringent public health restrictions. According to one recent poll, 62 per cent of Australians back the national cabinet plan to ease restrictions once the vaccination rate reaches 70 and 80 per cent. Expect this number to grow. In other words, the Australian centre-left risks consigning itself to a losing argument.
More fundamentally, there is a risk that progressive politics is losing its soul. It wasn’t that long ago that progressives could be counted to be the guardians of human rights and multiculturalism in Australia. It wasn’t that long ago that it was a mark of political allegiance that progressives rejected the cruelty of Australia’s asylum seeker policies and racist dog-whistling against minorities. Yet today, many progressives have supported the maintenance of a “Fortress Australia” that has led to the callous treatment of the more than 30,000 Australian citizens stranded overseas. They have remained largely mute to the restriction of liberties in Melbourne and Sydney — which, in the case of Sydney, has seen a cruel targeting by the government of migrant and disadvantaged communities in the city’s west and southwest...."
there you go vicvocal... it's actually you that's gone all 'conservative', 'right wing', and nutty... driven by fear...
it's not just a few of us on here that feel the need to point that out...
mr snuffleupagus spells it all out for you...
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/tim-soutphommasane-and-marc-stears-covid...
Roadkill, use your brain. We were actually agreeing.. ‘take responsibility for your own actions’
Vic that’s an interesting point. And yeah I can imagine you being fast to mouth off and probably as equally fast to get a smack in the head back.
Building on your point, the ocean like life has a way of levelling things out and I’d argue if someone made it out on your SUP and had the determination to be there then maybe they are as entitled as anyone to have a crack. If you are in their way and get hit then sure ya gonna be pissed but at some point you realise you put yourself there in the first place.. so again your confusing yourself with this whole ‘take responsibility for your actions’. I thi k what you’re actually doing is suggesting that everyone around you is a danger to you and your little mate Roadkill is probably suffering from the same paranoid delusion.
VL - "I do believe there should be consequences for people who chose not to get the vaccine because their decisions put others in danger"
I might be missing something VL but if you're vaccinated then what have you got to worry about?
FYI got my first shot yesterday, apart from a sore arm I'm feeling fine.
Vic Local What does this comment have to do with what we are discussing ?
"But kiddy fiddlers are allowed to interact in society freely".
No is my answer . You are proving you have some psychological problems as well as being thick as a brick .
Imagine if a women saw your comments with the swearing and your repeated use of the c... word .
No wonder there is no females on this site !
I bet you don't care .
"I might be missing something VL but if you're vaccinated then what have you got to worry about?"
Other people goofy foot.
Other people
like:
1. my kids (who can't get vaccinated yet),
2. hospital staff who have been doing monster shifts for months with no end in sight,
3. the poor bloke who has a work accident and his ICU treatment is compromised by anti-vaxxers filling up hospitals.
4. Some teenage retail worker who hasn't been able to get vaxxed yet.
5. Pretty much everyone else who's vaccine efficacy is waning with Delta.
6. Anyone working in events, travel, education, and hospitality that have been royally screwed by covid
But hey, let's just create a society that gives the idiots rights without consequences, at the expense of everyone else.
"Imagine if a women saw your comments with the swearing and your repeated use of the c... word"
I know plenty of females nurses and doctors who absolutely agree with me. They'd be much more worried about you cunts, rather than me using the c bomb.
Roadkill][quote=Vic Local wrote:VL, you are arguing with the stupidest person in here..the dude can’t even form a rationale argument..lol. He is all over the place.
You can’t argue with stupid. Every thread is full of his ramblings.
You're going to have to clarify who you are talking about Roadkill. I can rule out goofy foot, but I reckon the rest of other pro-covid mob are all still in with a shot at the title.
Vic Local][quote=Roadkill wrote:Vic Local wrote:VL, you are arguing with the stupidest person in here..the dude can’t even form a rationale argument..lol. He is all over the place.
You can’t argue with stupid. Every thread is full of his ramblings.
You're going to have to clarify who you are talking about Roadkill. I can rule out goofy foot, but I reckon the rest of other pro-covid mob are all still in with a shot at the title.
He who ends in 19.
"6. Anyone working in events, travel, education, and hospitality that have been royally screwed by covid"
ahhh that good old self interest raises its head again
disguised under the charade of a public good...
florence karen inadvertantly showing her slip again
had any air bnb bookings lately?
VL
You just don't get it . You don't use your brain . You don't take into consideration anyone except yourself .
Do you use the C word as much in your conversations with women as you use on this site ? Or do you show some respect ?
Hutchy 19 wrote:VL
You just don't get it . You don't use your brain . You don't take into consideration anyone except yourself .
Hutchy, I just provided a list of people I cared about, and who need protection from the anti vax flogs. Most of these people I don't even know. I posted the list 5 minutes ago you dopey fucker.
Hey Roadkill,
I had shortenism down for "the stupidest person in here". But hey, Hutchy19 is giving him a damn good run for his money.
It's scary when sypkan is barely making the podium, and ID is actually a relative "voice of reason" for the lunatics.
As the self appointed smartest person on here, (other than Stu, Ben, Craig) my two cents. Think, learn, know whatever you want. This isn't a culture war, not cerebral in any way. The information in your head doesn't matter. The information in your immune system is what counts if you have to fight Covid. That's all the vax does, gives a file to your immune system, a bit of fight training, because you will need it when the Bruce Lee of viruses gets in your lungs and starts kicking the shit out of you. When it comes, you want your immunity to be like Chuck Norris, only the vax can give you that.
there's that dangerously dangerous lack of self awareness again
sypkan wrote:This year, the mood in Australia is very different. You might have expected the progressive agenda to only grow more urgent. Instead, the progressive consensus has become sharply more conservative. It has swung in support of “Fortress Australia”. There is strong acceptance that Australia needs to remain closed and must maintain lockdowns — the harder, the better — for at least as long as our vaccination rates are low. Indeed, many are cheering lockdowns on.
This has never been clearer than in the last few weeks. Left-leaning voices have been loudly sceptical of the national plan to begin easing restrictions once 70 per cent of adults are fully vaccinated. Any ambition to reopen Australian society is regularly shouted down on social media. Left-leaning commentators increasingly insist that the absence of a vaccine for young children makes reopening impossible, despite the explicit reassurances of the country’s leading paediatricians. Talk about “freedom” is routinely derided as libertarian excess, as though rights and liberties were yearned after only by the wealthy and by right-wing culture warriors, and not by the population at large..."
It's going to be a win win situation for those too like VL, because even with a high vaccination rate we will have further outbreaks possibly even large ones, so people like VL will be going see told you so, but the thing is there becomes a point where you have to kind of go, well this isn't going away, we need to keep on living, and see vaccinations as just a away to reduce deaths & hospitalisations. (Think Singapore)
adam12 wrote:As the self appointed smartest person on here, (other than Stu, Ben, Craig) my two cents. Think, learn, know whatever you want. This isn't a culture war, not cerebral in any way. The information in your head doesn't matter. The information in your immune system is what counts if you have to fight Covid. That's all the vax does, gives a file to your immune system, a bit of fight training, because you will need it when the Bruce Lee of viruses gets in your lungs and starts kicking the shit out of you. When it comes, you want your immunity to be like Chuck Norris, only the vax can give you that.
Whereas Geert Vanden Bossche says the vaccine fight training is more like 2 weeks training in the Army Reserves then off to war against the virus.
adam12 wrote:As the self appointed smartest person on here, (other than Stu, Ben, Craig) my two cents. Think, learn, know whatever you want. This isn't a culture war, not cerebral in any way. The information in your head doesn't matter. The information in your immune system is what counts if you have to fight Covid. That's all the vax does, gives a file to your immune system, a bit of fight training, because you will need it when the Bruce Lee of viruses gets in your lungs and starts kicking the shit out of you. When it comes, you want your immunity to be like Chuck Norris, only the vax can give you that.
Survival rates in Australia to date ( most age groups vaccines not accountable for survival rates due to recent usage rates)
Survival rates are for all. Fatalities show near total reliance on multiple severe underlying Heath conditions. Survival rates for healthy are extremely, extremely, extremely high. Fatality rates predicated on including incidents such as someone in palliative care contracting Covid and being classed as a Covid death.
0-9 years : 100%
10-19 years: 99.99%
20-29 years : 99.92%
30-39 years - 99.95%
40-49 years - 99.91%
50-59 years - 99.70 %
60-69 years - 98.80%
70-79 years - 93.40%
80-89 years - 70%
90 + years - 66.6%
Average life expectancy in Australia 82 years.
indo-dreaming wrote:Here you go Supafreak
That Joe Rogan clip is worth a look.
I guess the question is, was ‘throwing the kitchen sink at it’ the main factor in him making such a quick recovery? Or was it irrelevant? It was all down to his excellent health maybe? Or was it just a part of the kitchen sink? If I had to make a guess I’d say it was the monoclonal antibodies - ‘the shit they gave Trump’ - as he puts it, that was the one that did the job.
But they’re very expensive, if I remember from the Trump saga.
Joe Rogan’s a talented hard worker who’s done extremely well in life. Good on him. He can afford them. He should protect himself. Not many would have the means to do likewise.
Any news on trails/production of ‘the shit they gave Trump’?
Joe was very well prepared. Kitchen Sink all ready to go – just in case. And I reckon he’d have several at the ready. A Kitchen Sink each for the missus and the kids.
70,000 out of the 71,000 Australians who tested positive to Covid survived just like Joe Rogan without “throwing the kitchen sink at it “. They survived because the survival rate for Covid is extremely high. Human immunity overpowers the virus the vast, vast majority of the time.
Big Pharma doesn’t want to share .
Blowin wrote:70,000 out of the 71,000 Australians who tested positive to Covid survived just like Joe Rogan without “throwing the kitchen sink at it “. They survived because the survival rate for Covid is extremely high. Human immunity overpowers the virus the vast, vast majority of the time.
And in the USA the hospitals are full…diagnostic medicine has stopped for many, chronic disease has increased for many and is not being managed. Cancers have not been diagnosed and will result in 000s of future deaths etc etc. That you don’t get this is no surprise.
Even if vaccinated, it's going to be wave after wave and more illness. Look at the UK and Israel. You get a chance to keep it out, that time has now passed for Vic and NSW is a basket case south of Port Mac, where they have begun obfuscating numbers, or just not reporting them. I really hope their modelling of vaccine uptake ending the wave is accurate, and the wave ends (but how can this be with later, bigger waves in fully vaxxed countries?), and gives me a window to bail. Meanwhile, keep head low and keep surfing fairly remote.
It's not going to be fun at all. I got some indirect contact with other immune suppressed folks in the city during the week and apparently they've been freaking. Imagine going into the ward for life saving treatment knowing the hospital has an outbreak going on as you do so, as well as knowing your vulnerability... and then you get to go back and do it all again in a week or two. Constantly. Takes courage, every time. Going though this alone I thought I was the only one with big concerns, nice to know the response has some commonality with others in similar situations. (There are varying levels of suppression, for eg someone with rheumatoid arthritis might need a higher level of immune suppression than someone with aplastic anemia...?) As for monoclonal inhibitors, they are very clever work, and can 'coat' the cells so they can't be burst or interfered with by the immune system. No side effects here, and it went through the full trial period which is always a good thing.
And letting it go for what? Hammered hospital system, and continual waves of more infection, and continual need for boosters? Surely the regained revenue for your hypothetical campaign contributors' pokies and pubs aren't more than the cost of hospitalisations and ill health that the society endures? There's a simple solution on this big, isolated island and some states are still doing it.
How's Tony Abbott's form?
Fuckwit doesn't wear a mask, tries to bullshit his way out of it by saying he was surfing, gets fined $500, and then leaps straight to victimhood mode crying about dobbing being un-Australian.
What a twat. Tony doesn't think rules apply to him, wants to do whatever he wants, and can't handle being held accountable for his actions.
Does that remind you of the anti-vaxxers?
Dr Peter McCullough talks about monoclonal antibodies among lots of other great insights into the team sport competition, sorry, I mean vaccine science experiment.
Darwins theory applies to all species except humans.
Go figure.
Death is a better outcome than a life of misery and struggle I reckon.
So many peoples lives ruined so that we can save a few.
Although I have very pro vax stand (for my own and freedoms sake so Im lead to believe by the Govts) Im also very concerned (and have been from the outset) that despite all the jabs, lockdowns and quarantines it will be basically for nothing.
Then Im gonna be really pissed off.
You cant stop a virus!
views from the cockpit wrote:Darwins theory applies to all species except humans.
Go figure.
Death is a better outcome than a life of misery and struggle I reckon.
So many peoples lives ruined so that we can save a few.Although I have very pro vax stand (for my own and freedoms sake so Im lead to believe by the Govts) Im also very concerned (and have been from the outset) that despite all the jabs, lockdowns and quarantines it will be basically for nothing.
Then Im gonna be really pissed off.
You cant stop a virus!
Indeed, you can’t stop a virus. But, you can prolong many people being exposed to it and thus study it and produce drugs to treat it and learn how to mix current drugs to treat it and learn how to manage those with it and save many lives.
"You can't stop a virus!"
velocityjohnno wrote:"You can't stop a virus!"
^^^^
That.
"Even if vaccinated, it's going to be wave after wave and more illness. Look at the UK and Israel. You get a chance to keep it out, that time has now passed for Vic and NSW is a basket case south of Port Mac, where they have begun obfuscating numbers, or just not reporting them. I really hope their modelling of vaccine uptake ending the wave is accurate, and the wave ends (but how can this be with later, bigger waves in fully vaxxed countries?), and gives me a window to bail. Meanwhile, keep head low and keep surfing fairly remote."
I actually think the whole of oz could get back on top of it ...if we really really wanted to...
but, alas, the whole shitshow has been so politicised - so mind blowingly next level politicised - right from the very beginning, by ALL sides, that we cannot even agree on what the main problem is... and why it is so problematic...
and we are not likely to find out for some time... but we will... and what a revelation it will be...
(to some)
"...It's not going to be fun at all. I got some indirect contact with other immune suppressed folks in the city during the week and apparently they've been freaking. Imagine going into the ward for life saving treatment knowing the hospital has an outbreak going on as you do so, as well as knowing your vulnerability... and then you get to go back and do it all again in a week or two. Constantly. Takes courage, every time. Going though this alone I thought I was the only one with big concerns, nice to know the response has some commonality with others in similar situations. (There are varying levels of suppression, for eg someone with rheumatoid arthritis might need a higher level of immune suppression than someone with aplastic anemia...?) As for monoclonal inhibitors, they are very clever work, and can 'coat' the cells so they can't be burst or interfered with by the immune system. No side effects here, and it went through the full trial period which is always a good thing."
I feel for you having to face this, I almost had to go through a similar predicament recently, but came good just in time... my personal predicament was nowhere near as precarious as yours, but I can guarantee the hospital situation was at least 20 x more scary...
phew!
"And letting it go for what? Hammered hospital system, and continual waves of more infection, and continual need for boosters? Surely the regained revenue for your hypothetical campaign contributors' pokies and pubs aren't more than the cost of hospitalisations and ill health that the society endures? There's a simple solution on this big, isolated island and some states are still doing it."
yep, but sadly, it's all a little too late...
it's interesting seeing the US liberal press swallow the cold hard pill of reality recently
they've gone from full...
'...just get vaccinated and we can all just get on with it...'
to, '...urrmmmm this shit ain't going nowhere...' and we now quote the docs that say '...the government needs to be more honest with the public...'
seems to me, a lack of honesty right from the start has- cooked public trust - divided already divided electorates - given false hopes and expectations - which lead to false solutions - and basically undermined any chance of the actual cooperative response required...
all for what?
to preserve some very powerful people in very powerful positions... across the spectrum, across the sectors, and the whole 'ppp' lobbyist governing body megacomplex that has developed...
public health has been a poor poor second at best right through this whole shitshow
and some wonder why there's public trust issues...
seriously!
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?