Vaccinate or not
I hate to encourage the snide benchong, but that was actually a good post on the other covid thread
the cut and paste one
but all too little too late, sadly
Whoa take my chances with Covid over smallpox any day.
And true enough.
But with so much other serious "stuff" happening in the world, Australia seems particularly obsessed with Covid.
Spent last year laughing at it from outside; now immersed in Melbournes shit show.
It...doesn't feel right in a truly global context.
Good reply there Sypkan and I'm glad you got through your hospital situation. How scary are we talking? Touch and go? The morphine shot and that incredible relief as you feel it running through your legs?
Roadkill wrote:nomad1 wrote:tylerdurden wrote:Hey VicLocal, still haven’t heard your theory on how Czech Republic went from 15000 cases per day and 160000 active cases in mid March to 100 cases per day and 1000 active cases (total) in mid June with a 4% vaccination rate, up to 20% mid June.
Not much of a lockdown either!Warmer weather, less time inside, more time outside where transmission is less? happened last 2 summers here in Norway too. Euro weather in many countries is vastly different to winter in Oz and the lifestyle that follows the seasons is a huge difference. For example, gyms here are rammed in Winter, Autumn. In summer not at all as people are exercising outside. The latter being a far less risk of transmission. When i was in Prague first time years ago it was winter so we crammed into some underground crammed beer hall. Went back in 2019 and spent time in beer gardens. Had Corona been an issue the latter would have far less risk of transmission.
The other aspect that i dont know for Czech is that many other countries have more trust in govt messaging than in Oz so more strict hard rules arent required because people just do whats recommended as part of their contribution to society.
Helps that other countries dont have the rubbish media that Oz has (Bolt, Credlin, Jones et al. )spreading misinformation. Sure we have kooks like Kari Jaquesson but people just make memes and laugh at them.Insome circumstance cases can rise in summer in hot locations, ie Florida, due to people going indoors to get out of the heat and into aircond…with delta being pretty virulent it can easily spread with the aid of air cond. The summer slow down seen in other transmissible infections like the flu does not happen with covid.
In the case of Florida id agree where its humid and stinking hot. Forcing people inside and closer together.
Its certainly not that hot here in Norway and not that hot in Czech either. Summer is the time to eat, drink, exercise outside.
So the hot weather Forcing people inside in Florida is the same process that happened here in winter.
Oz Road Map
https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-...
https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_National...
Short Cut...
( Feds / NSW / Vic ) vs [ SA / WA ] vs { ACT / Qld / NT / Tas }
Feds / NSW / Vic (Get outta Jail Free Card) Rollout Herds Covid Vax over Oz Hesitant States (Finish the Job!)
Feds / NSW / Vic / SA / WA...have Dutto Biometrix Apps > ( Facial recognition DIY Home Quarantine )
ACT runs Qld / NT / Tas apps...( Not Biometrix Compliant ) ACT refuse to upgrade to Police State.
This is why Police State Anna can't push for trendy Vax Treats like { I'll smash yer fuckin' head in ...etc..}
Qld did run a Trial with SA (Possible trial to include Biometrix app to bridge the ACT app)
Found this quirky magazine page that seems innocent, but may prove as vital missing upgrade link.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/queensland-home-isolation-hotel-....
Salute Executive Traveller for that Gem...( This was the silent forerunner for Feds current o/s trial )
It seems as if Qld might be able to run Biometrix via a plugin to ACT app without breaching copyright!
Unsure if ACT / NT / Tas require the Biometrix upgrade for Internationals but can tap in via SA!
Important...as it shows an alt' alliance of loose States turning their backs on Divas > NSW / Vic / WA.
Very interesting : Natcab app rats sort out who yer mates are! Little Lib's+Alp's (vs) Big LIB+ALP.
Plan Z : Dutto's **Starshots* Ozwide Biometrix...can likely clock Big City arrivals...but not Oz Wide (Yet!)
One can imagine the small States have a bargaining chip there.
Feds gotta wrangle an international / interstate QR Code...(WHO recommends a Digital Signature!)
Wash Up... Dutto still pushes for pervy Cold War **Starshots* Biometrix entry.
But with the International / Interstate Crossword App for all states entry.
Complete the Crossword to Smash Police States & the app crashes as ya Queue for yer Concert (Again).
I avoided the hospital, luckily... I mean I know the trepidation and courage required to walk into that scene feeling vulnerable
was definitely touch and go though, was crook as a dog, for quite some time, amidst a major corona outbreak in indo, hospitals full. was psyching myself up to go, funny enough I self administered some morphine like meds I'd been carrying for years (illegally) from an old knee op. just to get some sleep... over a week in, i was telling myself... 'you're gonna have to go tomorrow... you've gonna have to go tomorrow...' ...luckily came good eventually and avoided the scene...
had another scary experience in oz too, back when corona first came, and I needed a test on returning to oz, scary how ill prepared oz system was, no masks, no protocols, no appreciation of the dangers, no fucking idea... I ended up organising it mostly myself as the system didn't have a clue...
australia really was flying blind at the start of the pandemic
geography has definitely saved us more than any self spruiked supposed good management... shame it was largely squandered...
This sounds sensible advice .
"There are a thousand ways to beat a bully by not giving him what he wants, control.
This isn’t about the vaccine. It never was. The only public health crisis now is a public mental health crisis.
The people who’ve been broken by the COVID-9/11 terror campaign have their own issues to work out. They can be forgiven their terror but it’s time for the grown-ups to talk. The children can be excused from the table.
So, the opposite of their hysteria is needed.
They don’t need a punch in the mouth, they need therapy. No more negotiating with facts. They are immune to facts.
What they are not immune to is a quiet, dismissive, if not exasperated, “No.” The kind of quiet disappointment my father used to shame me into maturation.
Nothing will drive them more insane with rage.
Calm, assertive statements of purpose. No histrionics. No court challenges. No media conferences."
To VL and Roadkill - NO . No to your orders and proclamations !
velocityjohnno wrote:And letting it go for what? Hammered hospital system, and continual waves of more infection, and continual need for boosters? Surely the regained revenue for your hypothetical campaign contributors' pokies and pubs aren't more than the cost of hospitalisations and ill health that the society endures? There's a simple solution on this big, isolated island and some states are still doing it.
Do you honestly believe it was ever realistic to keep Covid out of Australia? (especially delta variant)
Other states wont escape it they are on borrowed time, no country in the world will escape it, it will eventually get into even tiny little island nations, Covid's not going anywhere.
I know it's a cliche now, but learning to live with Covid really is true, much of the world is moving on and learning to live with Covid and we need to too.
USA open tennis live right now. Stadium packed with people. No.masks. Living with covid.
Life completely back to normal in Denmark. This is the way forward:
- https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/sep/10/denmark-lifts-all-covid-...
- https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/denmark-ditches-vaccine-passports-i...
gsco wrote:Life completely back to normal in Denmark. This is the way forward:
- https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/sep/10/denmark-lifts-all-covid-...
- https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/denmark-ditches-vaccine-passports-i...
Far out we can only dream of that at the moment, that sounds unreal.
They’ve nailed it, for now.
Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
Yep, this is what we will do too ^^^
A lot of unrealistic people out there who are clinging to false hope
frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Ahhhh Danes.
Very fond memories of Nina, Lena, Stine, Carina, Mina xxxxx
Roadkill wrote:frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Glad to hear you’ve come around. Or is there still that sinister desire lurking.
Just the ones who conform to you your way of fighting it. People like Shortenism, who spend a lifetime living a much healthier lifestyle than you (Im betting) can be banished to never socialise or travel again. People like you don’t care about the mental health issues you inflict (some punters on hear have spelt it out to you recently I’ve seen) so long as you leave the keyboard thinking you are right
The new covid normal means we all get sick from time to time. Maybe we test before a footy match or gig or flight for a few years, but it’s not about inflicting more hurt than there already is. Time for all the Internet arguing to come to an end and everyone learning to live with peoples differences
Shorty, I’d have a beer with you. I’ll be vaxxed, you’ll be unvaxxed. I’ve got no problem with that
shoredump wrote:Roadkill wrote:frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Glad to hear you’ve come around. Or is there still that sinister desire lurking.
Just the ones who conform to you your way of fighting it. People like Shortenism, who spend a lifetime living a much healthier lifestyle than you (Im betting) can be banished to never socialise or travel again. People like you don’t care about the mental health issues you inflict (some punters on hear have spelt it out to you recently I’ve seen) so long as you leave the keyboard thinking you are rightThe new covid normal means we all get sick from time to time. Maybe we test before a footy match or gig or flight for a few years, but it’s not about inflicting more hurt than there already is. Time for all the Internet arguing to come to an end and everyone learning to live with peoples differences
Shorty, I’d have a beer with you. I’ll be vaxxed, you’ll be unvaxxed. I’ve got no problem with that
I have not changed my stance ever SD. It has always been about getting the population vaxxed, lockdowns have been necessasy to encourage vax rates and keep hospitals open.
The problem with you and the other idiot antivaxers / antilockdown here is you read what you think I am saying rather than what I am saying. You all get too focused on small stuff that affects your on individual selfish stance.
Once the majority of the pop is vaxxed we have no other avenue open to us than to open up. We will have to learn to live with it. .
From my understanding once double jabbed, it's not necessarily a bad thing to be exposed to Covid and exposure is likely to be like a natural booster so if exposed you might not even need booster jabs.
I’m very pro vax and pro lockdown, until we get as many as possible jabbed
I’m just not pro forcing people to vax or eternal lockdowns for them if they don’t
shoredump wrote:I’m very pro vax and pro lockdown, until we get as many as possible jabbed
I’m just not pro forcing people to vax or eternal lockdowns for them if they don’t
No one is forced to get vaxxed…it is everyones choice. However, with choice comes consequences. No vax, then suck it up and don’t be a part of society.
After the Worldwide Xmas Covid Peak cases dropped..
Denmark very hesitantly took one step forward then two steps back with Rollout.
Jan...Denmark were 1st EU Nation to approve Moderna.
March/April -Denmark were the 1st Nation to Dump AZ / J&J to anyone who wanted it.
In effect, their slowly stepped Anti Vax Rollout muted any excess Covid cases.
Thus avoiding yer typical race against time > End of the World Vax Case Spikes.
14th July Denmark hesitantly reached their 50% Peak with a moderate Vax case Spike peak.
Reaching 50% VOC minefield Phase, Denmark ran a few short bursts & backpedalled each time.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210730-risk-of-vaccine-resistant...
Never enough to feed the Peak VOC mutation phase...
They keep laddering down, back-checking doses, mirroring their step up low covid Vaxing.
They know this worked ...so they sticking to their low stop/start Vax backpedal plan.
17th Aug Denmark reach their Mid point retreat summit.
From here, they abseil down Vax Rollout stranding the Covid Beast on the Vax Peak Summit.
As Denmark ejected Vax Packs their Covid Cases Plummeted.
This being their biggest fastest ever cure for the Virus > Less Vax = Less Covid
From recent Vax Peak 1,340 cases/day > (Current) Lowest vax 450 cases/day
Recent slight 0.01/100 vax ramp lifted to 550 cases/day...their first rise since 17th Aug decent.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=~DNK
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
If crew rate Denmark's Rollout a success then it's due to small hesitant increments of Vax.
But by dumping their Vax, 3x faster than they rolled it out, was their best trick to date!
Having only one border & surrounded by sea is more enviable than most Oz States.
Denmark's dumping Vax on way up & down is not exactly the Big Pharma game plan...'bit of a hard sell.
Oz Vax Bullies would never shove sissy Vax Danish down their pet hesitant's throats...
Gulp! Pretend tbb never said that...be made to eat those words!
More news .
"Research conducted by the University of California has found that teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems caused by the COVID-19 vaccine than to be hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 itself."
“A team led by Dr Tracy Hoeg at the University of California investigated the rate of cardiac myocarditis – heart inflammation – and chest pain in children aged 12-17 following their second dose of the vaccine,” reports the Telegraph.
“They then compared this with the likelihood of children needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19, at times of low, moderate and high rates of hospitalisation.”
shoredump wrote:Roadkill wrote:frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Glad to hear you’ve come around. Or is there still that sinister desire lurking.
Just the ones who conform to you your way of fighting it. People like Shortenism, who spend a lifetime living a much healthier lifestyle than you (Im betting) can be banished to never socialise or travel again. People like you don’t care about the mental health issues you inflict (some punters on hear have spelt it out to you recently I’ve seen) so long as you leave the keyboard thinking you are rightThe new covid normal means we all get sick from time to time. Maybe we test before a footy match or gig or flight for a few years, but it’s not about inflicting more hurt than there already is. Time for all the Internet arguing to come to an end and everyone learning to live with peoples differences
Shorty, I’d have a beer with you. I’ll be vaxxed, you’ll be unvaxxed. I’ve got no problem with that
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-12/voluntary-isolation-for-covid-her...
SD tell me again how hard it is for all the selfish snowflakes? Not 1 ant vaxer / anti lockdown idiot would have the courage to put themselves at risk to help…most are too busy crying into their pillows.
Not my comments but I agree with the views .
"It is often said that ignorance is the source of all evil, but I find that the most destructive people in the world are not the most ignorant, but the most arrogant. Ignorant people are more likely to become victims, while arrogant people have enough intelligence to knowingly absorb and regurgitate a particular dogma in a way that appeals to unsuspecting bystanders that were never given the tools to defend themselves.
In other words, it’s malicious “educators” that promote incendiary collectivism, usually by preying on those that lack the armor of reason. Ignorance is encouraged by these supposed teachers as a marinade; it tenderizes their victims and makes them ready to absorb more and more cultism."
"Their arrogance is the key to all of this because these folks are really just middlemen for an agenda that is ultimately designed to harm them. They see themselves as brilliant minds that cannot be denied; they think they are the prophets of our age. They do what they do because they have a bias or hatred of independent thought, or, they believe they are earning a seat at the table of power by evangelizing for totalitarianism. The reality is that the globalist establishment will throw the leftists away as soon as they have what they want. History shows us that the most devout messengers of totalitarian regimes are usually lined up against a wall and shot once the revolution is achieved, but their hubris blinds them to this inevitable outcome.
They generally fall into two categories – the young acolytes and the aging adherents, and the vast majority of them are leftists. Whenever I examine the dangers of leftists I inevitably get accusations that I am “perpetuating the false left/right paradigm”, but the people that make this argument don’t understand what the left/right paradigm is."
"The problem with you and the other idiot antivaxers / antilockdown here is you read what you think I am saying rather than what I am saying. You all get too focused on small stuff that affects your on individual selfish stance."
ha ha ha
you mentioned irony?
I thought you were one calling for revolution Hutchy?
sypkan wrote:"The problem with you and the other idiot antivaxers / antilockdown here is you read what you think I am saying rather than what I am saying. You all get too focused on small stuff that affects your on individual selfish stance."
ha ha ha
you mentioned irony?
Yep..irony. That time you tried to belittle someone on their grammar, with your own incorrect grammar. Man, did you out yourself as an idiot…a complete fucking idiot. Lol.
sypkan wrote:"The problem with you and the other idiot antivaxers / antilockdown here is you read what you think I am saying rather than what I am saying. You all get too focused on small stuff that affects your on individual selfish stance."
ha ha ha
you mentioned irony?
Yep..irony. That time you tried to belittle someone on their grammar, with your own incorrect grammar. Man, did you out yourself as an idiot…a complete fucking idiot. Lol.
Tip….you should never criticise others spelling and grammar, because you will eventually be exposed…and remembered for it.
I didn't belittle anyone, it was genuine advice, as the post was indecipherable, and I was genuinely interested in what she had to say... until i realised who it was...
your post on the other hand, is some high high level irony
Very wrong Freeride .
I have said that a revolution has proved to be the only way that the people can take back from governments their freedom .
It is a fact .
We haven't lost it yet in Australian . I hope we never do , so no need for a revolution .
As history has proved they often cause havoc eg French and Russian . Millions die .
The US revolution caused less deaths than the others and it became "The land of the Free " . Hopefully the US people will reject Bidens recent tyranny and ensure a revolution in the future is not necessary .
As I have said before - when any government takes away the peoples freedom they NEVER return it voluntarily ,
Roadkill wrote:shoredump wrote:Roadkill wrote:frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Glad to hear you’ve come around. Or is there still that sinister desire lurking.
Just the ones who conform to you your way of fighting it. People like Shortenism, who spend a lifetime living a much healthier lifestyle than you (Im betting) can be banished to never socialise or travel again. People like you don’t care about the mental health issues you inflict (some punters on hear have spelt it out to you recently I’ve seen) so long as you leave the keyboard thinking you are rightThe new covid normal means we all get sick from time to time. Maybe we test before a footy match or gig or flight for a few years, but it’s not about inflicting more hurt than there already is. Time for all the Internet arguing to come to an end and everyone learning to live with peoples differences
Shorty, I’d have a beer with you. I’ll be vaxxed, you’ll be unvaxxed. I’ve got no problem with that
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-12/voluntary-isolation-for-covid-her...
SD tell me again how hard it is for all the selfish snowflakes? Not 1 ant vaxer / anti lockdown idiot would have the courage to put themselves at risk to help…most are too busy crying into their pillows.
Roadkill, I’m not going to speak for them as that is sadly your domain, but obviously it is hard for them. Like you I’m also disappointed that we can’t get 100% jabbed as I understand the difference to all of of futures if we could. I will ask you to stop your abuse of them by trying to coerce them into doing something they don’t want to do by inflicting mental illness on them. There’s an epidemic of mental health issues going on right now and you openly stand your ground on directly inflicting it. It’s ugly to watch. You need to check yourself buddy, you’re dangerous
Interesting for Hutchy to be going on about 'incendiary collectivism' when it's actually selfish individualism that should bear a lot of the responsibility for the situation the world finds itself in now.
Denmark (Part 2)
Checking further on Denmark's rollout to Vax Pass to now (No Vax Pass)
Crew are right to bring this up...
14th April...Denmark mandated 1st EU Vax Pass...
It is possible that the fussy insecure nature of Rapid Test options were a cure for Vax Hestancy.
Certainly no rush on Vax... but more of a slow steady uptake followed to 70% vaxed.
https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/emea/denmark-launches-covid-19-pas...
It's odd that 5 months has passed so quick in this debate...as now...
1st Sept - No Vax Pass > Sports Centres / Restaurants / Hairdressers + No Masks on Transit.
10th Sept - Critical Disease Expiry Date (No Extension) > (Note UK locked in to 24th Dec 2021)
https://www.regeringen.dk/nyheder/2021/regeringen-vil-ikke-forlaenge-kat...
Govt are indeed freeing up society, but again ...aims for High Vax 90% rate but by "Nudging."
What's of interest is the Danish Vax Pass was merely an instrument to encourage Vax.
It's use seems to be of less importance in their Post Vax Society...
It was only used to encourage Rollout freedoms, but never used as a Post Vax Punishment Device!
Needs further examination...
shoredump wrote:Roadkill wrote:shoredump wrote:Roadkill wrote:frog wrote:Can argue, hidden agendas, data and other stuff all day long. But plenty of high vax countries are open and living with covid.
One doorway is open....
And AUS will open up when we get most of the population vaxxed. That is the only way forward. Then we live with covid.
Glad to hear you’ve come around. Or is there still that sinister desire lurking.
Just the ones who conform to you your way of fighting it. People like Shortenism, who spend a lifetime living a much healthier lifestyle than you (Im betting) can be banished to never socialise or travel again. People like you don’t care about the mental health issues you inflict (some punters on hear have spelt it out to you recently I’ve seen) so long as you leave the keyboard thinking you are rightThe new covid normal means we all get sick from time to time. Maybe we test before a footy match or gig or flight for a few years, but it’s not about inflicting more hurt than there already is. Time for all the Internet arguing to come to an end and everyone learning to live with peoples differences
Shorty, I’d have a beer with you. I’ll be vaxxed, you’ll be unvaxxed. I’ve got no problem with that
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-12/voluntary-isolation-for-covid-her...
SD tell me again how hard it is for all the selfish snowflakes? Not 1 ant vaxer / anti lockdown idiot would have the courage to put themselves at risk to help…most are too busy crying into their pillows.
Roadkill, I’m not going to speak for them as that is sadly your domain, but obviously it is hard for them. Like you I’m also disappointed that we can’t get 100% jabbed as I understand the difference to all of of futures if we could. I will ask you to stop your abuse of them by trying to coerce them into doing something they don’t want to do by inflicting mental illness on them. There’s an epidemic of mental health issues going on right now and you openly stand your ground on directly inflicting it. It’s ugly to watch. You need to check yourself buddy, you’re dangerous
No one is abusing them..gawd, it’s an online discussion.
“ As I have said before - when any government takes away a bit of the peoples freedom they NEVER return it ,”
Except Denmark.
And all the other governments at all the other times.
AndyM wrote:“ As I have said before - when any government takes away a bit of the peoples freedom they NEVER return it ,”
Except Denmark.
And all the other governments at all the other times.
It's interesting, I'm lucky enough to be in a part of the country that's not currently in lock down - we were last year though. Seems like they gave that freedom back. It's almost as though that's a blanket statement intended to rile people up.
“ It's almost as though that's a blanket statement intended to rile people up.”
Haha, Itchy69 would never do that!
JQ "Interesting for Hutchy to be going on about 'incendiary collectivism' when it's actually selfish individualism that should bear a lot of the responsibility for the situation the world finds itself in now."
Most individuals can act selfish . They look after themselves and their families first . Everyone though has the main driver of self interest . Individuals are happy for others to also be individuals .They do not believe in telling others how to live their lives . As long as they "play by societies rules " there is never a problem .
'incendiary collectivism' - by its very definition is a disaster . Always has been , always will .
If Australia goes down that path the "silent Australians " will eventually have to take matters into their own hands and fight back . I will join them although I don't think ( hope ) it will happen in my lifetime . We will have armed ourselves and learn to use them . We will bury guns in our backyards and be ready and willing to make the ultimate sacrifice . The rank and file of the military and police will be on our side . We might not win at first but we will eventually .
What a sad day that will be . A tragedy !
I assume your last sentence is tongue in cheek Hutchy. I'm sure you relish the thought.
The Danes were asked to go into lockdowns which they did voluntarily , as we have . No REAL freedoms were removed unless someone didn't play by the rules . Then the lockdowns stopped .
Please be realistic !
NFI JQ - If I did I would already own a gun . Like Vic Local .
I guess it worked there because they are less beset by selfish hyper-individualism.
Finally you might be right JQ but I think it was accidental .
All the Scandinavians I have met are very interested in the common good . They don't like their fellow countrymen being ostentatious and flaunting wealth . They all have the same coloured houses . But they believe strongly in the individuals right to do what they want to do . They conform because they want
to , not because they are ordered to .
Just look at what they did/do when forced to abide by stupid government rules re alcohol . They would ALL drive onto the ferries , go into Europe , load their cars up and head home and drink like men/women possessed .
Hutchy is an anti-government gun nut.
I just don't understand why he doesn't move to Montana and join a militia.
As for the " rank and file of the military and police will be on our side", how did that work out for you during the freedumb protests? I seem to remember lots of baton and pepper spray work being dished out to the morons.
Yes, I've known a few Scandinavians and have the same impression. I wish more people in our country had a similar outlook. I suspect they are at an advantage with the population not being as exposed to the wealth of rabble-rousing bullshit infesting the english speaking part of the internet.
The blanket statements of 'muh freedoms' are silly, but government overreach should be resisted when it's silly.
"If Australia goes down that path the "silent Australians " will eventually have to take matters into their own hands and fight back . I will join them although I don't think ( hope ) it will happen in my lifetime . We will have armed ourselves and learn to use them . We will bury guns in our backyards and be ready and willing to make the ultimate sacrifice . The rank and file of the military and police will be on our side . We might not win at first but we will eventually .
What a sad day that will be . A tragedy !"
Sounds like you need to cut down on the American conspiracy/right wing nutter websites Hutchy.
JQ, this is the nutter right's view of freedoms in Australia.
Raiding journalists? Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Arresting whistleblowers? Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Locking up refugees? Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Excessive govt secrecy? Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Prosecuting whistleblower's lawyers? Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Secret trials, Not a problem doesn't impact 'muh freedoms'
Wear a mask and socially distance during global pandemic? MUH FREEDUMS. GOTTA STAND UP FOR MUH FREEDUMBS.
And Hutchy is now looking for a gun FFS.
VicLocal - You are hilarious . It is you that has a picture of yourself pointing a gun .
The rank and file of both the military and police are furious with their members who abuse people at the orders of a minority of spinless and demented leaders .
Look what is happening with the US rank and file military . The ones who fought what they thought were worthwhile fights . For peoples FREEDOMS .Look at what their leaders are saying and how they feel about all the woke ism . There are millions of ex military who , like our silent majority , that can be pushed only so far before fighting back .
As I have said before the French will be the first to act if it is needed . Then it will be the US and others .
The world leaders have no idea they are playing with fire .
Again I hope and pray it will never come to this .
VicLocal - You are hilarious . It is you that has a picture of yourself pointing a gun .
It's a scene from a movie champ.
Where's the face palm gif when you need one?
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?