Vaccinate or not
indo-dreaming wrote:This thread is getting weirder and more over the shop every day.
I know, you’ve got that bloke saying he isn’t getting vaxxed and is cool with his elderly relatives dying of covid , and Hutchy19 has gone all Pauline “what about the diggers” Hanson on us.
I think you need to work on your grammar constance
or your cut and pasting...
ESL?
I thought granny killer had a point...
it's about quality of life as much as length...
so glad my dad checked out just before this madness started
I think you need to work on your grammar constanceor your cut and pasting...
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Some delicious irony…..
VL "So I’m a racist tyrant for thinking anti vaxxers should be held accountable for their lifestyle choices? Maybe I just want covid to be controlled and think VPs are a useful tool in the battle."
Is that all you said ?? Sorry then , I must have read someone else's post .
Kim Iverson goes after Fauci a bit lately, and there is some old footage of his past statements when AIDS first came about . She doesn’t really report all the truth in her statements regarding what’s been done so far and gets pulled up by the other commentators. She does however have some very valid points and you can see why not everyone trusts Fauci.
indo-dreaming wrote:This thread is getting weirder and more over the shop every day.
Not really ID. It's been weird from the start. I reckon the absolute weirdest thing about this forum is that it's essentially a medical discussion, and yet people keep putting up videos from ageing musicians, comedians, and you tube personalities. I'm pretty sure a celebrity chef has been featured as well but I couldn't be arsed looking for that post.
Call me crazy, but I'd actually prefer to read or watch the opinions of qualified medical professions when the topic is about a medical issue.
Hey, maybe the anti-vax mob also spend some time on music and cooking forums posting the epicurean and musical opinions of virologists. Who knows what the anti vax weirdos do when they aren't on swell net.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:This thread is getting weirder and more over the shop every day.
Not really ID. It's been weird from the start. I reckon the absolute weirdest thing about this forum is that it's essentially a medical discussion, and yet people keep putting up videos from ageing musicians, comedians, and you tube personalities. I'm pretty sure a celebrity chef has been featured as well but I couldn't be arsed looking for that post.
Call me crazy, but I'd actually prefer to read or watch the opinions of qualified medical professions when the topic is about a medical issue.
Hey, maybe the anti-vax mob also spend some time on music and cooking forums posting the epicurean and musical opinions of virologists. Who knows what the anti vax weirdos do when they aren't on swell net.
Pretty easy to guess what they do when off SN.
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Well this forum has stirred up a hornets nest...and to add to the drama I have to say we don't yet know that its a vaccine that is being delivered with many doctors and scientists claiming it to be more of a genetic modifier. I am quite concerned because most of my whanau and friends including partner have had both jabs and I'm staying well away at this point and prepared to fill out the form from aus immunisation (register ceasing correspondence and release of information) which legally qualifies you to be exempt from providing a vax certificate to whoever demands it. Neighbors here have had bad reactions to the jab with 1 spending days in hospital with heart palpitations and is looking forward to next jab.Huh? I'm going along with whoever chooses whatever. For myself I'm saying salt water and vit d from our beloved sun does help maintain a good immune system and on that I will rely and If I should be taken out by the virus sobeit or a GWS.
Oh and remember 'more doctors prefer Camels'
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3vMESx90AyI7TXaCM7n9cW?si=bqXvYo-yQIizU...
The man behind the wheel
Its a gut feeling RK .... and after the issue settles (in a year or so ) I may have a different response.
Toe
Hey Hutchy, how about ya stick a sock in it. You’re happy to disparage veterans when their qualified reflections contradict your simplistic views, but hey, who cares?
dinnerdish wrote:Well this forum has stirred up a hornets nest...and to add to the drama I have to say we don't yet know that its a vaccine that is being delivered with many doctors and scientists claiming it to be more of a genetic modifier. I am quite concerned because most of my whanau and friends including partner have had both jabs and I'm staying well away at this point and prepared to fill out the form from aus immunisation (register ceasing correspondence and release of information) which legally qualifies you to be exempt from providing a vax certificate to whoever demands it. Neighbors here have had bad reactions to the jab with 1 spending days in hospital with heart palpitations and is looking forward to next jab.Huh? I'm going along with whoever chooses whatever. For myself I'm saying salt water and vit d from our beloved sun does help maintain a good immune system and on that I will rely and If I should be taken out by the virus sobeit or a GWS.
Salt water and sun are the new superfoods!
Hey VicLocal, still haven’t heard your theory on how Czech Republic went from 15000 cases per day and 160000 active cases in mid March to 100 cases per day and 1000 active cases (total) in mid June with a 4% vaccination rate, up to 20% mid June.
Not much of a lockdown either!
Do you think it might have had something to do with increased vaccinations and warmer weather tylerdurden? This isn't rocket science mate. Have you not noticed the obvious causal relationships?
Have you noticed how cases in Czechia have been going up recently? Maybe that has something to do with the cooler weather and plateauing vaccination rates?
etarip wrote:Hey Hutchy, how about ya stick a sock in it. You’re happy to disparage veterans when their qualified reflections contradict your simplistic views, but hey, who cares?
It must be a bit of blow to Hutchy to find out the ADF have embraced vaccinations, both for themselves and also assisting delivering them to civilians.
Those Aussie Diggers fought against tyranny and are tyrannically playing a role in the national vaccine rollout. It's got to be so confusing for Hutchy.
The best explanation you can give is the warmer weather and a small increase in vaccinations???
It’s time you and your uniformed opinions fucked right off mate. That explanation is about as unscientific as humanly possible.
That result from the Czech Republic is incredible, a result we can only dream of here in this country.
Again, we’re talking 5-10 times the daily case numbers, 5x the number of active cases and yet the problem effectively solved in 12 weeks.
Here in Aust we were at about 15% vaccination rate when the latest spike started, not much different to what they were at near the end.
So the best explanation you can give is the warmer weather??
You’re a joke, go back to what you know....personal training?
Small increase in vaccinations? Are you serious? In the time frame you raised, Czech vax rates went from single digits to 45% of the population getting their first dose?. Your critic of my opinion is based in pure and unmitigated bullshit. Stop making shit up idiot
Reckon this should help explain Czech Republic... tylerdurden.
Czechs - Pfizer / Moderna / AZ / J&J + Emergency Sputnik V / Sinopharm.
They went thru 4 Health Ministers... (Rollout is hit & miss Lucky Dip!)
However it lives & breathes like any other...
28th Dec Czech's Ramped Vax > 0.12 > Already fuelled Cases Peaked.
It wasn't a large ramp but covid fuel was everywhere at Xmas holidays.
7th Jan Peak 17,775 /day is more in keeping with World than Rollout.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=~CZE
They tapered Vax & actually backpedalled dropping cases to 6,978/day
2nd Feb Low Vax Ramp resulted in low case ramp.
27th Feb- 14th March They peddled real fast & Hard but in small gear.
28th Feb - 3rd March Cases climbed from 4,593 >16,806 Cases / day
This being the (2nd highest) peak in which you refer to...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/czech-republic/
Then backpedalled until 6th April > Their peak came down.
6th-15th April Czech's Ramped a little too hard 0. 29 > 0.51
6th-8th April Cases Spiked again from 1,419 > 7,055
They continue to Rollout with small measured steps to reach 20/20%
12th June Czech Republic Vax peak @ 0.91 / 100
This being the Vax peak...(Note how each Vax peak has a signature!)
They're trialling the speed / Volume / Days of Vax Doses...
Eventually happy with the Small step longer increase.
From there on in they've been backpeddlin' pretty fast.
But Again! Note the 1st Hurried trial drop, then correction (This is a trial)
Then follows with the Opposite slow steps back down
9th Sept Vax Rollout has kinda raced down the stairs to current 0.13...
Like all other Nations that binned Vax...Covid also Vanishes...
In short! Each learn how to Orchestrate their seasonal Rollout.
tbb has said it's the largest Human organism, so best to try & tame it!
Yes! For sure, Rollout can Ramp covid or make it vanish...
This is a good example of a Nation riding it's luck.
Next Trick is to Peddle safely thru 50-60% VOC Peak Hour
50% Rollout frustrates Covid to mutate fast into a more Rabid Beast.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210730-risk-of-vaccine-resistant...
Do not follow Israel / UK revamped Vax ramps to feed the beast.
Czech's Rollout seems more fortunate than most...
Most likely planning a safe exit strategy to outwit their awaiting VOC.
Just to show that tbb luvz to prove himself wrong...(Holy Grail Quest!)
(Bonus) 2 Mass Vax Ramperz shedding Covid like crazy...(No Spoilers!)
There is another trick at play here & it's a secret by way of Mix'n'match.
Tip! Could be that the Cold Spike Covid Vax mix is blocking the spread!
We're talking about - 1.Nasal + 2. Bronchial Defence. (Whole Package!)
12 months on > Sputnik Light / AZ might finally be trialling this!
It's not approved though!
tbb kept searching & biding time for this good news...Well worth a look!
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=IDN~ARG
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/argentina/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
Note : Vax is Ramping as Cases are Plummeting.
Exactly what Vax is meant to do...this being a recent rare example!
tylerdurden wrote:Hey VicLocal, still haven’t heard your theory on how Czech Republic went from 15000 cases per day and 160000 active cases in mid March to 100 cases per day and 1000 active cases (total) in mid June with a 4% vaccination rate, up to 20% mid June.
Not much of a lockdown either!
Warmer weather, less time inside, more time outside where transmission is less? happened last 2 summers here in Norway too. Euro weather in many countries is vastly different to winter in Oz and the lifestyle that follows the seasons is a huge difference. For example, gyms here are rammed in Winter, Autumn. In summer not at all as people are exercising outside. The latter being a far less risk of transmission. When i was in Prague first time years ago it was winter so we crammed into some underground crammed beer hall. Went back in 2019 and spent time in beer gardens. Had Corona been an issue the latter would have far less risk of transmission.
The other aspect that i dont know for Czech is that many other countries have more trust in govt messaging than in Oz so more strict hard rules arent required because people just do whats recommended as part of their contribution to society.
Helps that other countries dont have the rubbish media that Oz has (Bolt, Credlin, Jones et al. )spreading misinformation. Sure we have kooks like Kari Jaquesson but people just make memes and laugh at them.
Ivermectin now banned in Australia , doctors can no longer prescribe it for covid. https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australian-gps-banne... Good to see the government taking care of the health of its citizens . Smokes and alcohol next ?
At the start there was hope that the vaccines would get us out of this mess re covid .
The aged were having them as they were told it would reduce the side effects and stop you getting the disease and spreading it ( to kids and grand kids ) .
Now we know that , as the vaccines were made for the early variants not 19 , they don't stop you getting or spreading it . The data is also confusing ( UK and Israel ) about its efficacy in stopping side effects . You now need a booster shot .
The vaccines are one step behind this smart virus . By the time they are developed , rolled out and 80% of the population vaxed there will be a new virus causing havoc .
We could be in lockdowns forever ! Unfortunately some very smart people view that 2022 will be the worst year for Covid . There has to be a better way !
nomad1 wrote:tylerdurden wrote:Hey VicLocal, still haven’t heard your theory on how Czech Republic went from 15000 cases per day and 160000 active cases in mid March to 100 cases per day and 1000 active cases (total) in mid June with a 4% vaccination rate, up to 20% mid June.
Not much of a lockdown either!Warmer weather, less time inside, more time outside where transmission is less? happened last 2 summers here in Norway too. Euro weather in many countries is vastly different to winter in Oz and the lifestyle that follows the seasons is a huge difference. For example, gyms here are rammed in Winter, Autumn. In summer not at all as people are exercising outside. The latter being a far less risk of transmission. When i was in Prague first time years ago it was winter so we crammed into some underground crammed beer hall. Went back in 2019 and spent time in beer gardens. Had Corona been an issue the latter would have far less risk of transmission.
The other aspect that i dont know for Czech is that many other countries have more trust in govt messaging than in Oz so more strict hard rules arent required because people just do whats recommended as part of their contribution to society.
Helps that other countries dont have the rubbish media that Oz has (Bolt, Credlin, Jones et al. )spreading misinformation. Sure we have kooks like Kari Jaquesson but people just make memes and laugh at them.
Insome circumstance cases can rise in summer in hot locations, ie Florida, due to people going indoors to get out of the heat and into aircond…with delta being pretty virulent it can easily spread with the aid of air cond. The summer slow down seen in other transmissible infections like the flu does not happen with covid.
Wow Supa. And they use the excuse that it’s leaving a shortage for other uses like scabies etc.. Hang on aren’t we in the grip of a world ending pandemic? Surely you would prioritise or at least throw everything you can at all options. Just throw a fraction of what they have ($) at the the vaccine producers to Ivermectin..
If this was honest it would say the TGA are doing everything they can to keep case numbers up to justify perpetual shit fuckery.
That article re Ivermectin ban proves in black and white that your GP is completely and utterly controlled / owned by the powers at be. Further the AHPRA prevent GPs from speaking out against the agenda at risk of loosing their license.
Remember NOPSEMA re drilling in the Bight. Well AHPRA are the equivalent just for the medical profession.
FFS shortenism and supafreak, there's a very good reason why Ivermectin has been banned for the treatment of Covid in Australia. There's insufficient evidence that is fucking works.
There's no grand conspiracy here. Just a few batshit crazy chancers like Palmer, Kelly, Evens, etc pushing an ineffective drug for personal gain at the expense of public health..
But hey, they've found their fair share of useful idiots on Swellnet who are promoting their shit.
@shortenism , interesting in that article also is this statement “ Despite this, the drug has gained traction in some anti-vaccination communities and rightwing media. This has flowed into increasing demand in Australia as a treatment for Covid. “ No mention what world respected Professors like Borody and Clancy who are definitely not right wing or anti vaccination. “ Clancy developed the vaccine Broncostat at the University of Newcastle in 1985. The Broncostat vaccine reduces attacks of acute bronchitis to a degree of 90%.[4] “ Hardly what you would call a couple of crackpots . It is what it is and studies continue including studies on ivermectin for cancer . Can you imagine if the Chinese developed this for aiding treatment of cancer ? The media would have a field day with demonising a potential treatment with horse paste from China. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505114/
https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/
Look Vic, I don't want to add much to this debate, but they are using Ivermectin here in Japan as a complimentary medicine to treat corona. The head of the Tokyo medical association has gone on the record to say the government should actually be promoting it. Admittedly, prescriptions are not being thrown out willy-nilly but it is still part of the treatment process in some cases. It hasn't been dismissed offhand as in other countries.
Personally, I'm double vaxxed and feel this is the path we should be on but just because the US and Aust. dismiss Ivermectin, I'm not really sure what to think since other countries are using it and seem to be seeing results.
Sorry the link is in Japanese but you'll just have to trust me on this one.
Not sure re this statement Supa ?
"Can you imagine if the Chinese developed this for aiding treatment of cancer ? The media would have a field day with demonising a potential treatment with horse paste from China. "
The media here and in the US might actually think it is great . Trump bad , China good .
Ivermectin needs a doctors prescription in all cases as it does not go well with some other medications like warfarin. A doctor needs to know a patient’s history and this is why doctor patient relationship is so important in prescribing any medication or vaccines. The fact that the government is now in control of overruling consent between doctor and patient is a little bit alarming. I have always thought that the governments dismissal of ivermectin was not just from lack of evidence ( according to their experts ) but that it would also hinder the vaccine uptake . Merck new drug will soon be here , let’s hope it’s a winner.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/australian-drug-r...
"Therapeutic Goods Administration concerned people taking controversial medication instead of seeking proper treatment or vaccine"
"The TGA said it was concerned people who may have Covid-19 would take the drug rather than get treated, or some might take it instead of getting vaccinated."
Normally, I couldn't care less if some idiot wants to rely on unproven medical treatments. If they want to remove themselves from the gene pool that's their choice. Ivermectin use does have major consequences beyond the idiots swallowing the pills. Their stupidity causes very real medical problems for society and sensible people who listen to medical advice.
Japan situation isn't an endorsement of Ivermectin and a treatment for covid. Social media users were just getting a little excited and wrong.
https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1783705.html
zenagain wrote:https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/
Look Vic, I don't want to add much to this debate, but they are using Ivermectin here in Japan as a complimentary medicine to treat corona. The head of the Tokyo medical association has gone on the record to say the government should actually be promoting it. Admittedly, prescriptions are not being thrown out willy-nilly but it is still part of the treatment process in some cases. It hasn't been dismissed offhand as in other countries.
Personally, I'm double vaxxed and feel this is the path we should be on but just because the US and Aust. dismiss Ivermectin, I'm not really sure what to think since other countries are using it and seem to be seeing results.
Sorry the link is in Japanese but you'll just have to trust me on this one.
Thats similar to how i feel.
I probably wouldn't go using it myself and understand why governments or health professionals cant go promoting it, but on the flip side im not going to totally write it off, it does seems to have some possible benefits.
Also just because some take too much or don't use it correctly doesn't mean its bad, if you misuse or take to much of most drugs/medicines there can be negatives, you can even overdose on water, sugar, salt etc
There does seem to be some evidence it helps
For instance from the American Journal of Therapeutics which is peer reviewed and seems quite respected and reputable. (from July/August 2021)
"Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally."
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/iverme...
“We don’t measure character or leadership by a commander’s posture during moments of comfort, but by his willingness to stand against the tides and storms of collective opinion during eras of controversy and hysteria,” Kennedy Jr. wrote in a Facebook post. “California Gov. Gavin Newsom has just passed that test with his wise and sober opposition to a draconian proposal to forcibly vaccinate medically fragile children against the wishes of their parents and the medical advice of their physician.”
“He expressed his concern about giving faceless government officials (with no medical training) veto power over vaccine exemptions deemed medically necessary by a child’s doctor,” Kennedy Jr. continued. “Gavin argued that those decisions should be made between patients and doctors without government involvement.”
Same with abortion !
"The new mandates that Biden has decided to impose on the entire country aren’t just un-American. The word “evil” gets thrown around a lot these days, but in this case it perfectly fits the situation.
No government has the right to try to put something into your body by force. Many have pointed out that such mandates are uncomfortably close to physical rape, and there is absolutely no place for such mandates in a free and just society.
According to CNN, Biden’s offensive new mandates “could apply to as many as 100 million Americans”, but I have a feeling that the true number could be even higher than that.
Biden’s new mandates apply to all federal employees and contractors, anyone that works at any business that has 100 or more employees, and to the entire health care industry.
Previously, the Biden administration had allowed federal workers that didn’t want to be vaccinated the option of submitting to regular testing instead, but now the option for testing is out the window…
President Biden on Thursday signed an executive order mandating that all federal employees and contractors get vaccinated against COVID-19, with no exceptions for those who agree to regular testing for the virus, according to a source familiar with the plans."
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Policymakers within the Biden Administration have clearly seen the COVID-19 data out of Israel, the first country that went all in on population-wide mRNA shots. It shows that mRNA injection efficacy is waning, which is why Israel went full steam ahead with the 3rd booster shot. It’s too early to tell exactly how that will pan out, but in the meantime, the Biden Administration needs to find a way to shimmy their way out of declaring victory over COVID just a couple months ago, given its clear resurgence throughout our nation among both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.
Instead of owning up to the reality that we cannot eliminate a submicroscopic infectious particle from existence, and perhaps admitting that government officials wildly oversold an innovative “cure” to the disease, they’re continuing with the dictatorial insanity.
With respiratory season just around the corner, the “unvaccinated” are going to be scapegoated for when our government has once again failed to achieve the impossible task of stopping an endemic virus from circulating among a massive population.
If the vaccines are in fact vaccines and work then... what protection do those who choose to get them need?
None!
But if they don't work - if you get vaccinated and are still at risk - then why would someone take one?
It's stupid to take a jab that doesn't actually protect you.
More to the point why would those who haven't been vaccinated not tell you to go straight to Hell, and why would any court uphold this sort of order when you admit that a person who accepts the vaccine is not protected - that is, it does not actually provide protection against disease?
Food for thought...
Cut and pasted again .
"Never in my lifetime has something occurred that was so egregiously opposed to Misesian concepts of liberalism and freedom. In fact, this is directly in line with perhaps the most opposite ideology to liberalism: fascism. Benito Mussolini said himself that “Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.” In today’s political discourse, people abuse the word fascism and sometimes even cite this definition of corporatism while stretching it somewhat from the truth.
However, the state requiring that businesses require the vaccine from one of three large corporations that were propped up by the state is undoubtedly the merger of state and corporate power that Mussolini dreamed of."
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Hutchy 19 wrote:If the vaccines are in fact vaccines and work then... what protection do those who choose to get them need?
None!
But if they don't work - if you get vaccinated and are still at risk - then why would someone take one?
It's stupid to take a jab that doesn't actually protect you.
More to the point why would those who haven't been vaccinated not tell you to go straight to Hell, and why would any court uphold this sort of order when you admit that a person who accepts the vaccine is not protected - that is, it does not actually provide protection against disease?
Food for thought...
Cut and pasted again .
Although we know that Covid vaccines reduce deaths and hospitalisations, they even reduce transmission, but they still aren't perfect if you were for example an old person with other health conditions who was fully vaccinated, you still wouldn't want someone with covid sitting next to you on the plane for instance.
Because even being double vaccinated they are still at a higher risk of getting sick than say a healthy 20 year old that is unvaccinated.
So there is many people that even if vaccinated want to try to avoid being infected with covid of possible.
Renowned epidemiologists Joe Rogan and Russel Brand have had their say on this forum. Seems only fair that OG Howard Stern gets his turn on the pulpit.
“When are we going to stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say, you know, it’s mandatory to get vaccinated?” Stern ranted in Tuesday’s episode of The Howard Stern Show on Sirius XM.
“F**k them, f**k their freedom. I want my freedom to live. I want to get out of the house already. I want to go next door and play chess. I want to go take some pictures.”
The 67-year-old “King of All Media” continued to mock the deceased right-wing radio hosts, taking particular pleasure in pointing out how many of the dead — at first proudly defiant — changed their tunes on their death beds.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/howard-stern-unleashes-...
Thank Roker . Keep posting !
Completely proves that people like Stern and Vic Local don't care about freedom . All they care about is themselves . Fuck everyone else ! And just like VL , very nasty .
"“F**k them, f**k their freedom. I want my freedom to live. I want to get out of the house already. I want to go next door and play chess. I want to go take some pictures.”
The 67-year-old “King of All Media” continued to mock the deceased right-wing radio hosts, taking particular pleasure in pointing out how many of the dead — at first proudly defiant — changed their tunes on their death beds."
It is rarely the mistake in the first place that gets someone in big trouble it is the cover up (eg Nixon ) . Fauci is dead man walking .
Cut and pasted .
"Former FDA head and current Pfizer board member Scott Gottlieb reacted to further revelations this week regarding the funding of dangerous gain of function research by Anthony Fauci, noting that a previously unknown fact has emerged that lab tampering was undertaken on MERS-like coronaviruses, which are even deadlier than their SARS-like relatives."
Gottlieb previously noted that “These kinds of lab leaks happen all the time,” further warning that “in China, the last six known outbreaks of SARS-1 have been out of labs, including the last known outbreak, which was a pretty extensive outbreak that China initially wouldn’t disclose that it came out of lab.”
“It was only disclosed finally by some journalists who were able to trace that outbreak back to a laboratory,” Gottlieb explained back in May.
Pretty heartless from Stern…however avoidable death will attract mocking. The right wing radio guys were complete selfish pricks and were contributors of their own fate.
. “I want my freedom to live. I want to get out of the house already. I want to go next door and play chess.”
What sort of man wouldn’t go next door to play chess cause the government told him not to? Uber ghey.
Madness. In the US you have a company with 100 good staff and half them don’t want the vaccine. What ya gonna do... Lay off half of them or pay a fine. It puts enormous pressure on business to do the dirty work of communist obsessed agenda.
It’s interesting that the Biden administration is so blatantly turning the totalitarian tip toe into a totalitarian canter.. It’s picking up pace.
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?