2022 Election
This pretty well sums up the Scott Morrison Party.
Supafreak wrote:This pretty well sums up the Scott Morrison Party. https://youtu.be/Gz4IkzM217U
Hey FreeMoney, instead of posting how about you just watch this video, like every time you think about posting on politics. Please
lettuce of doom
touring soon..
Here's the election calculator again
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/guide/calculator
Under 'adjust swing' put in the most recent polls
That’s huge VJ
Its a bit of fun, thanks VJ. Based on national average swings, 3% and Scotty is gone. Under 1.4% and we get another 3 years. Would be nice if it was as simple as that.
Spot the difference
A great thread on rorting put together by David Ritter this morning. Wherever you stand on the political spectrum, this thread is well worth a read to get an overview of how our government has been operating and the fallout of these actions, both at home and abroad.
How good is the Scott Morrison Party https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-02/aspen-medical-greg-hunt-four-corn...
Nothing to see here.
I know the ALP fan boy's will love this and scream and dribble at Scomo and co.
Make no mistake, they would do exactly the same thing and have in the past.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-02/aspen-medical-greg-hunt-four-corn...
Roadkill wrote:Nothing to see here.
I know the ALP fan boy's will love this and scream and dribble at Scomo and co.
Make no mistake, they would do exactly the same thing and have in the past.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-02/aspen-medical-greg-hunt-four-corn...
Yep. That’s why everyone needs to vote out the major parties and put a final stop to their entitlement and corruption.
That's still no excuse, RK. Whoever is in power that is running these rorts needs to be properly investigated and held to account. I looked for a link to something I read earlier on this but couldn't find it again, but Turnbull and Rudd before him both gave lucrative contracts to Aspen also.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Roadkill wrote:Nothing to see here.
I know the ALP fan boy's will love this and scream and dribble at Scomo and co.
Make no mistake, they would do exactly the same thing and have in the past.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-02/aspen-medical-greg-hunt-four-corn...Yep. That’s why everyone needs to vote out the major parties and put a final stop to their entitlement and corruption.
All parties, when in power do the same.
who do you think should be in power, other than the 2 major parties?
Head toward multi-party, dispersion of power, greater scrutiny and checks and balances.
Like Tony Windsor said, give the power back to the elected representatives in the House and take it away from the PM and the Executive.
AndyM wrote:Head toward multi-party, dispersion of power, greater scrutiny and checks and balances.
MMP?
farking disaster in NZ. Tail wagging the dog usually...you get 1 moron or 1 crappy little party being able to dictate all things..it's the worst thing ever.
Doesn't look like it - New Zealand is constantly rated in the top handful of democracies in the world.
Australians appear deathly afraid of negotiation and compromise.
Binary thinking and lack of willingness to engage are key problems we're facing.
AndyM wrote:Doesn't look like it - New Zealand is constantly rated in the top handful of democracies in the world.
Australians appear deathly afraid of negotiation and compromise.
Binary thinking and lack of willingness to engage are key problems we're facing.
Have you lived in NZ, under their democracy?
We had 1 old fart voted out of his seat...get to be the power maker in a govt and became deputy PM. Ardern only got in an PM as she was willing to give away more and pander to Winstone Peters...she wanted power more than the Nats. The Nats got more votes and didn't get into power...democracy? no, it was the minority ruling the majority
Speaking of NZ
"New Zealand shoppers order groceries from Australia as inflation soars"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/21/new-zealand-shoppers-order...
Imagine if Aussies had to order groceries from NZ, here would be a meltdown here.
@Roadkill
So they negotiated?
AndyM wrote:@Roadkill
So they negotiated?
They were in a postion to negotiate...does not mean it was fair. The process of negotiation may have been valid...how they were put in a position to negotiate..is not fair.
That said, NZ voted for MMP, so it is what it is.
Aussies would hate MMP more than Kiwi's. Imagine Pauline Hanson getting 5% of the vote and being the power broker and taking the deputy PM job. Aussies would flip out.
I’m sure it has its quirks but multi-party systems clearly have a lot going for them.
Australia’s setup is compromised bordering on broken so I’m in favour of alterations.
MMP is better than first past the post such as Australia- however, I think the best solution is a referendum based society - give the people the chance to vote the issues and sack representatives.
If I ever voted, it would be the party that sorts out the tax system because it is stuffed.
Sustainable Australia’s policies.
Fault them if you can. Let’s hear the constructive criticism.
A properly enforced national biodiversity and native species program (see Animals & Biodiversity)
Swiss-style binding citizen-initiated referenda and plebiscites (see Anti-corruption & Governance)
Use a broader Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) as a key measure of Australia’s progress that redefines 'growth' and prioritises growth in good things, including health and wellbeing, not growth in bad things like consumption and population as encouraged by the current 'GDP' measure (see Economy)
Offer free and universal university and TAFE education for Australian citizens (see Education)
Implement a ban on all new coal mines and fracking (see Energy)
Enshrine into Australian law the fundamental human right of a healthy natural environment for its citizens and prioritise this in all policy and development decision (see Environment)
Act on climate change and contribute to staying below 1.5 degrees global temperature rise compared to pre-industrial levels (see Environment)
Ban further foreign ownership and limit future foreign investment to a maximum of 25 per cent of any Australian natural resource asset (see Foreign Investment)
Expand Medicare to include all basic dental services (see Health)
Remove the 50 per cent discount of capital gains tax on taxable Australian property (non-principal place of residence) and abolish negative gearing on taxable Australian property, with existing arrangements to be grandfathered (see Housing Affordability)
Establish a federally funded national job guarantee program in order to ensure full employment, managed through the re-established Commonwealth Employment Service (see Job Guarantee)
Return real planning powers to local communities through proper engagement (see Planning & Development)
Protect important public assets from further privatisation and re-nationalise on just terms and/or re-establish key public assets and essential services and utilities as soon as practicable (see Privatisation & Public Assets)
Rebuild and/or adequately fund public scientific flagship institutions such as the CSIRO (see Science)
Stabilise Australia's population size as soon as practicable (see Sustainable Population & Immigration)
End multinational tax avoidance and profit shifting to low or no tax jurisdictions (see Taxation)
Re-negotiate all of Australia’s so-called 'Free Trade Agreements' (see Trade)
Expand state-based rail and/or bus networks, in preference to building more roads (see Transport)
Establish major regional centres dedicated to the repair, re-sale and responsible recycling of electronic waste and household goods, as well as a repair café in every suburb and town under the Environmental Job Guarantee (see Waste)
Protect environmental flows in all river systems to ensure that the quantity and quality of water sustains communities, including traditional owners, and entire river ecosystems (see Water)
A universal age pension from the age of 65 (see Welfare)
SA in the senate!
Come on SA, put up local candidates in the lower house, or I'll have to get artistic
I rate 7/10 when compared to the major 2 parties. sceptical around education, job guarantee, Trade statements.
Hard to know the detail (i.e. how will they fund) but i guess you could generally hold the same criticism on everyone else campaigning re their promises / policies. I'll vote them 1st in the senate ticket.
Roadkill wrote:AndyM wrote:@Roadkill
So they negotiated?They were in a postion to negotiate...does not mean it was fair. The process of negotiation may have been valid...how they were put in a position to negotiate..is not fair.
That said, NZ voted for MMP, so it is what it is.
Aussies would hate MMP more than Kiwi's. Imagine Pauline Hanson getting 5% of the vote and being the power broker and taking the deputy PM job. Aussies would flip out.
“Imagine Pauline Hanson getting 5% of the vote and being the power broker and taking the deputy PM job. Aussies would flip out.“
But this exactly what we get here with the Nationals and Barnyard Joyce as deputy PM as the COALition junior partner.
The Libs can’t govern without them so a vote for the Libs is a vote for Joyce .....
https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/defence
"Regain public ownership of natural monopolies and other critical infrastructure that significantly impact on national security such as ports and airports (also see Privatisation & Public Assets policy)"
Darwin port decision was treasonous, imo
https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/economy
"Place a strong emphasis on manufacturing due to its central role in economic development and resilience and the hugely beneficial flow-on effects to the Australian economy, including value-added jobs"
they do seem to suggest RBA should fund govt, which probably falls under 'monetisation'... ouchies to AUD
GuySmiley wrote:Roadkill wrote:AndyM wrote:@Roadkill
So they negotiated?They were in a postion to negotiate...does not mean it was fair. The process of negotiation may have been valid...how they were put in a position to negotiate..is not fair.
That said, NZ voted for MMP, so it is what it is.
Aussies would hate MMP more than Kiwi's. Imagine Pauline Hanson getting 5% of the vote and being the power broker and taking the deputy PM job. Aussies would flip out.
“Imagine Pauline Hanson getting 5% of the vote and being the power broker and taking the deputy PM job. Aussies would flip out.“
But this exactly what we get here with the Nationals and Barnyard Joyce as deputy PM as the COALition junior partner.
The Libs can’t govern without them so a vote for the Libs is a vote for Joyce .....
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Sustainable Australia’s policies.
Fault them if you can. Let’s hear the constructive criticism.
A properly enforced national biodiversity and native species program (see Animals & Biodiversity)
Swiss-style binding citizen-initiated referenda and plebiscites (see Anti-corruption & Governance)
Use a broader Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) as a key measure of Australia’s progress that redefines 'growth' and prioritises growth in good things, including health and wellbeing, not growth in bad things like consumption and population as encouraged by the current 'GDP' measure (see Economy)
Offer free and universal university and TAFE education for Australian citizens (see Education)
Implement a ban on all new coal mines and fracking (see Energy)
Enshrine into Australian law the fundamental human right of a healthy natural environment for its citizens and prioritise this in all policy and development decision (see Environment)
Act on climate change and contribute to staying below 1.5 degrees global temperature rise compared to pre-industrial levels (see Environment)
Ban further foreign ownership and limit future foreign investment to a maximum of 25 per cent of any Australian natural resource asset (see Foreign Investment)
Expand Medicare to include all basic dental services (see Health)
Remove the 50 per cent discount of capital gains tax on taxable Australian property (non-principal place of residence) and abolish negative gearing on taxable Australian property, with existing arrangements to be grandfathered (see Housing Affordability)
Establish a federally funded national job guarantee program in order to ensure full employment, managed through the re-established Commonwealth Employment Service (see Job Guarantee)
Return real planning powers to local communities through proper engagement (see Planning & Development)
Protect important public assets from further privatisation and re-nationalise on just terms and/or re-establish key public assets and essential services and utilities as soon as practicable (see Privatisation & Public Assets)
Rebuild and/or adequately fund public scientific flagship institutions such as the CSIRO (see Science)
Stabilise Australia's population size as soon as practicable (see Sustainable Population & Immigration)
End multinational tax avoidance and profit shifting to low or no tax jurisdictions (see Taxation)
Re-negotiate all of Australia’s so-called 'Free Trade Agreements' (see Trade)
Expand state-based rail and/or bus networks, in preference to building more roads (see Transport)
Establish major regional centres dedicated to the repair, re-sale and responsible recycling of electronic waste and household goods, as well as a repair café in every suburb and town under the Environmental Job Guarantee (see Waste)
Protect environmental flows in all river systems to ensure that the quantity and quality of water sustains communities, including traditional owners, and entire river ecosystems (see Water)
A universal age pension from the age of 65 (see Welfare)
I am all for the
Swiss-style binding citizen-initiated referenda and plebiscites (see Anti-corruption & Governance)
The way Malcolm Turnballs wedged his own party with a plebs whatever was brilliant. This is because it takes the discretion away from the pollies we just need to give the people the vote on the issues.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Sustainable Australia’s policies.
Fault them if you can. Let’s hear the constructive criticism.
A properly enforced national biodiversity and native species program (see Animals & Biodiversity)
Swiss-style binding citizen-initiated referenda and plebiscites (see Anti-corruption & Governance)
Use a broader Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) as a key measure of Australia’s progress that redefines 'growth' and prioritises growth in good things, including health and wellbeing, not growth in bad things like consumption and population as encouraged by the current 'GDP' measure (see Economy)
Offer free and universal university and TAFE education for Australian citizens (see Education)
Implement a ban on all new coal mines and fracking (see Energy)
Enshrine into Australian law the fundamental human right of a healthy natural environment for its citizens and prioritise this in all policy and development decision (see Environment)
Act on climate change and contribute to staying below 1.5 degrees global temperature rise compared to pre-industrial levels (see Environment)
Ban further foreign ownership and limit future foreign investment to a maximum of 25 per cent of any Australian natural resource asset (see Foreign Investment)
Expand Medicare to include all basic dental services (see Health)
Remove the 50 per cent discount of capital gains tax on taxable Australian property (non-principal place of residence) and abolish negative gearing on taxable Australian property, with existing arrangements to be grandfathered (see Housing Affordability)
Establish a federally funded national job guarantee program in order to ensure full employment, managed through the re-established Commonwealth Employment Service (see Job Guarantee)
Return real planning powers to local communities through proper engagement (see Planning & Development)
Protect important public assets from further privatisation and re-nationalise on just terms and/or re-establish key public assets and essential services and utilities as soon as practicable (see Privatisation & Public Assets)
Rebuild and/or adequately fund public scientific flagship institutions such as the CSIRO (see Science)
Stabilise Australia's population size as soon as practicable (see Sustainable Population & Immigration)
End multinational tax avoidance and profit shifting to low or no tax jurisdictions (see Taxation)
Re-negotiate all of Australia’s so-called 'Free Trade Agreements' (see Trade)
Expand state-based rail and/or bus networks, in preference to building more roads (see Transport)
Establish major regional centres dedicated to the repair, re-sale and responsible recycling of electronic waste and household goods, as well as a repair café in every suburb and town under the Environmental Job Guarantee (see Waste)
Protect environmental flows in all river systems to ensure that the quantity and quality of water sustains communities, including traditional owners, and entire river ecosystems (see Water)
A universal age pension from the age of 65 (see Welfare)
I voted for them once or twice years ago when i went through that anti majors phase and eventually moved from left to right.
They are no different to any of the other minor parties including the Greens or United Palmer Party or One Nation, it's just a list of ideals that sound good to attract a certain demographic of voter, they are not really proper policies that have been costed and others have really looked into to examine if they are realistic and the pros and cons effect of each policy.
Indo- You do realise that the LNP routinely issues bald faced lies about promised future actions with zero intention or ability to produce?
The LNP are not the bunch of accomplished and experienced go getters that you seem to believe they are. More like a cabal of thoroughly corrupt piss takers who consider their only real task to be to conduit taxpayer cash into big business pockets.
Scomo is a failed everything and Dutto is a mendacious ex copper. Not quite the Marvel Superheroes of Australian society. You honestly believe Scotty is more capable than any haired dyed Green Party gender studies scholar?
Oh wait…..you think the LNP cost their policies?
I think you ought to check the annual budget report released over the past few years and compare it with the resulting historical accuracy achieved with hindsight. It’s not even ordinary fiction, it’s more from the genre of fantasy.
If the LNP are so good at costing policy then how come Australia is hundreds of billions of dollars in debt?
Indo can you show a list of the 2022 election promises and policies from lab/ lib that have been costed?
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-labor-spend-big-under-the...
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/04/30/the-inside-...
The reality is both LNP and Labor have to have fairly realistic policies if they don't they will get torn to shreds by the other party and media.
All these other parties can say what every they like and nobody is going to say much
This is how easy it is, now vote for my new party.
My policies are:
1. Make housing more affordable
2. Create more jobs.
3. Act on climate change
4. lower crime
5. Cut immigration by 50%
6 Free education for Tafe & University.
7. 500 new hospitals
8. Cut energy prices by 30%
9. Bring back manufacturing to Australia
10. Decriminalise Cannabis
11. Increase pensions payments by 25%
I’m sure Scotty and Josh are sweating over spreadsheets right now calculating how they’re going to pay $6Billion to the French for submarines we will never see.
Not.
indo-dreaming wrote:The reality is both LNP and Labor have to have fairly realistic policies if they don't they will get torn to shreds by the other party and media.
All these other parties can say what every they like and nobody is going to say much
This is how easy it is, now vote for my new party.
My policies are:
1. Make housing more affordable
2. Create more jobs.
3. Act on climate change
4. lower crime
5. Cut immigration by 50%
6 Free education for Tafe & University.
7. 500 new hospitals
8. Cut energy prices by 30%
9. Bring back manufacturing to Australia
10. Decriminalise Cannabis
11. Increase pensions payments by 25%
ok. so you can't. but its ok for liberal and grudgingly labor to do it.
I came
I read
I laughed
I wept
I laughed some more
I contemplated posting a meaningful comment
I thought why bother
I left
The Sustainable Australia Party’s policies are damned fine. Some more than others, some more do-able than others.
Prioritise into the possibles and the ‘work towards in the next decade’ and get to work.
bonza wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:The reality is both LNP and Labor have to have fairly realistic policies if they don't they will get torn to shreds by the other party and media.
All these other parties can say what every they like and nobody is going to say much
This is how easy it is, now vote for my new party.
My policies are:
1. Make housing more affordable
2. Create more jobs.
3. Act on climate change
4. lower crime
5. Cut immigration by 50%
6 Free education for Tafe & University.
7. 500 new hospitals
8. Cut energy prices by 30%
9. Bring back manufacturing to Australia
10. Decriminalise Cannabis
11. Increase pensions payments by 25%ok. so you can't. but its ok for liberal and grudgingly labor to do it.
Again while Labor and LNP can stretch the truth at times they still have to have pretty realistic policy that has some detail and often costed, otherwise the opposition and media will hammer them.
Nobody cares about all these smaller parties policy because everyone knows they will never get in power, half of these policies are clearly unrealistic and often very vague.
Just look at all the United Australia Party adverts, like the guarantee to keep home loan interest rates below 3%
GuySmiley wrote:I came
I read
I laughed
I wept
I laughed some more
I contemplated posting a meaningful comment
I thought why bother
I left
Yep
First they laugh at you...
"DON'T GO THE RAW CHICKEN CURRY WITH ME , MATE"
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/scott-morrison-raw-chicken-curry/
indo-dreaming]
bonza wrote:[quote=indo-dreamingwrote:Again while Labor and LNP can stretch the truth at times they still have to have pretty realistic policy that has some detail and often costed, otherwise the opposition and media will hammer them.
that's not an answer that's an excuse. a shift of the goalposts.
Sheepdog wrote:"DON'T GO THE RAW CHICKEN CURRY WITH ME , MATE"
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/scott-morrison-raw-chicken-curry/
Had a few minutes free tonight so I whipped up some Chicken Sashimi for Jen and the girls pic.twitter.com/uewvI5rWTH
— Scott Morrison former PM of Australia (parody) (@ScottyFromMktg) May 2, 2022
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