2022 Election
Cockee wrote:Haha! That's gold GS and andy! Love how the Labor stooges put the most positive spin they can on anything Albo does but sink the boots into Scomo at each and every opportunity - showing a complete inability to distinguish fact from fiction. BTW I reckon Albo's puppet master is feeling very vulnerable right now.
Reality be dammed!
So many funny posts, good fun.
And Scomo is a phenomenal orator, I’ll give him that any day.
flollo wrote:So many funny posts, good fun.
And Scomo is a phenomenal orator, I’ll give him that any day.
A phenomenally unscrupulous bullshit artist every day. Internationally renowned. Good show.
Scummo is a phenomenal orator?
I guess that’s a subjective call. He’s never drawn my attention by any means other than an egregious lack of commitment to the truth. Am I supposed to believe that he’s possessed of a charismatic power to which I’m uniquely immune?
I wouldn’t have thought the ability to stutteringly link multiple lies together would ever be considered masterful oration.
AndyM wrote:It’s a proven fact that conmen have better memories.
Although Albo might struggle with details, it’s a sign of honesty.
Ha ha i seriously pissed myself laughing when i read this, so now being clueless about important details related to your job is a sign of honestly, while actually knowing important aspects related to your job means you're a conman?
The lengths you people will go to avoid admitting Albo is clearly not PM material is crazy.
Fuck imagine using this mind set in general life when say seeing a doctor or getting a builder to build your house or even getting a shaper to shape you a board.
PS. jwithay will give you a reply this arvo
What can I say, the clinical studies don’t lie.
flollo wrote:And Scomo is a phenomenal orator, I’ll give him that any day.
He's an absolute master of the soundbite.
Many politicians are good at delivering a soundbite, but it's usually rehearsed, the delivery stilted. Listen to some of ScoMo's conferences or speeches, and you realise journalists can take grabs from many parts of the speech.
In that way, he's a journos delight. Makes their job easy.
The days of Keating-style oration are gone - modern media (and attention levels) have made sure of that. Politics needs to follow the times, and in that regard, you can see why the Libs promoted ScoMo.
Albo came across alright on Q&A last night and kept pretty cool with speers interruptions. Slomo has so far declined to go on the show, he’s either a bit shy or doesn’t want to face the public questioning him . He seems to avoid the ABC a fair bit , prefers sky and 9 .
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Scummo is a phenomenal orator?
I guess that’s a subjective call. He’s never drawn my attention by any means other than an egregious lack of commitment to the truth. Am I supposed to believe that he’s possessed of a charismatic power to which I’m uniquely immune?
I wouldn’t have thought the ability to stutteringly link multiple lies together would ever be considered masterful oration.
In anything, you are benchmarked against those around you. Scomo is one of the best in the current political arena.
That doesn't mean you deliver on what you promised, implement what you said you were going to do, or even care for the majority of the population.
It just means that you are a confident and skilled public speaker in the current environment.
Or a seasoned manipulator of fact and truth. Scomos a cold bastard who looks the other way.
PM : "Slip of the Tongue is very different to not knowing key Data & I think most Aussies know that!"
Extraordinary thing to say...like a cold calculated chess move in a rehab clinic!
(2019 Recall) That fateful time.
Early Dec PM takes off telling no one? Claims it's a Family Holiday to Hawaii...Oz becomes Hell on Earth.
None can imagine what drives anyone to pull such a stunt unless by Doctors orders...well durr!
Most likely Diagnosis! PM suffered a Stroke & recovered in Hawaii away from "ALL" stress.
Stoke is the #1 cause for Aphasia leading to Parapraxis ....(What's that?)
One could be right in saying it's Scomo's Disease! Huh!
Ongoing Freudian Slips as in Slip of the Tongue / Foot in Mouth Disease
Common slips insert taboo rude words in Holy places or letting a yer secret lover slip out...Oopsie!
eg: Pollies get caught out most as PM gets briefed or Trained not to say "Incriminating Words"
Possibly due to believed Stroke recovery having impact on PM's ability to stay on message!
This suppression is called. "Theory of Ironic Process" ( Scotty from Marketing owns this!)
Implant not what to say then brain can't think of anything else to say, apart from that thing not to say!
World Conference : (Don't say China!) PM : "We're gonna tackle China!" OMG! WWIII ...Run! Run!
Aged Care : (Don't say Crisis!) PM : "You might have heard me say Crisis just then...!" Doh!
The Jab : (Instill confidence!) PM : "And for those willing to Take the Risk!" ...C'mon! That one's a pass!
Job Seeker : (Talk up the Payment) PM : "We increased Job Seeker from $40-$46/wk!" (A bit too much?)
NDIS : (Show Empathy!) PM : "I'm blessed not to have disabled kids!" Yes, much better Mr PM!
City becomes Shitty...& so forth, on & on & on...now less funny as minor disability becomes a [L] liability.
Kinda like Twighlight Zone meets Groundhog Day...Fine if he doesn't say anything to anyone...ever again!
Note: OCD is another condition that sets off Aphasia...possible double dose for Daggy Dad.
Albo suffers Brain Fog & can't read briefs...'Wot & Wotz that say!'...(Press : We're right here you know!)
Albo is accused of overplaying his mum's disability, that being early onset Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Only recently was Maternal RA discovered to be a thing.
1/3 offspring will develop RA + a host of disabling conditions...(Albo says Mum had early severe RA).
Highly likely had RA when giving birth as Albo recalls his Mum's RA from Childhood!
RA doesn't just attack joints but brings on Brain Fog & poor eyesight, triggering Anxiety.
Punters are most likely unknowingly outing Albo's inherited traits as his prime weakness.
Only now we read that Media are pushing him too quick before he can answer bullet points!
Wotz This! Wotz That! Do you Know Why! Why don't you Know! How much are these! Wotz My Name!
Exactly One minute later! Albo : "Stop it! Stop it! Just Stop the Q&A.
In both cases the public continually laugh it off by claiming neither leader couldn't run a chook raffle!
Epitomizes weakness of Oz Men of Thunder shrugging off any sissy stuff...World knows it & we bury it!
Parties censor their leader's disabilities as a weakness, easier to throw a leg of ham to the chooks.
If only both PM candidates would come out & share disability as Joe has done, we'd all trust them more!
As it stands both are being grilled & hounded down to lowest ever 2 party Vote...too weak to Govern.
Current Poll 35 vs 35 is not enough for either leader to Govern...that's the cold truth of the matter.
So guess what : Oz Parliament becomes disabled until a rag tag mob of even more disabled form Govt!
A triumph! Hardly, as not one from our lovable rogues gallery would admit or be treated for disability!
If either come clean...they'd romp it in! But that's forbidden in our Land Downunder!
Go back to the opening line...PM is denying any disability but talking up Albos. (Winner vs Loser!)
Sure! This is in part hypothetical but it can naturally explain the status quo!
[Disclaimer] tbb has a few disabilities & as such can equally & painfully observe similar in others.
No shortage of Disabled driving harder to the top but it comes at a price, we are seeing that here & now!
Have a laugh at these traits but do consider the possibility that these men are masking enormous stress.
Whether he’s the man to lead over the next few years I’m not sure, but Australia will choose. Some people were built for a season and what Morrison has been through the last few years would have left every other politician currently sitting in parliament from all sides lying in the corner in the foetal position sucking their thumb including and most definitely Albanese. Things are different now, but I for one am grateful that someone got us through some of the darkest disaster years in Australia’s history….yes and that’s why there is more debt and why many other things got put in the too hard for now basket…etc etc…
.P.S …if my wife had booked me a week in Hawaii with my family after not having a holiday for ages and enduring disaster on disaster and every one back home said why did you go ?…. I certainly would not have been so nice in reply and I certainly would not have come home early and neither would any of you critics. One fault Morrison has is he wants everyone to like him …and to too many people these days….pffft…you’ll just never make them happy no matter what you do so don’t waste your time…
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The SMP is getting desperate now
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Optimist wrote:I certainly would not have come home early and neither would any of you critics.
Speak for yourself mate. The country was burning, he should've been here.
Also, really enjoyed that post above tbb. Not sure I'm on board with the Hawaiian stroke recovery getaway theory, given accounts from past members of government on Morrisons mindset around working hours and time off, but some salient points in there.
Optimist wrote:Whether he’s the man to lead over the next few years I’m not sure, but Australia will choose. Some people were built for a season and what Morrison has been through the last few years would have left every other politician currently sitting in parliament from all sides lying in the corner in the foetal position sucking their thumb including and most definitely Albanese. Things are different now, but I for one am grateful that someone got us through some of the darkest disaster years in Australia’s history….yes and that’s why there is more debt and why many other things got put in the too hard for now basket…etc etc…
.P.S …if my wife had booked me a week in Hawaii with my family after not having a holiday for ages and enduring disaster on disaster and every one back home said why did you go ?…. I certainly would not have been so nice in reply and I certainly would not have come home early and neither would any of you critics. One fault Morrison has is he wants everyone to like him …and to too many people these days….pffft…you’ll just never make them happy no matter what you do so don’t waste your time…
The delusion runs deep
No excuses for Albanese getting caught again in an election / media driven environment no doubt Labor hard heads will be gritting their teeth.
Albanese has been in public life for a long time and held plenty of responsible positions with a solid track record so he is no fool and its a testament to his quality that these moments are pretty much all the Coalition have to attack him personally unlike Morrison.
But as gaffs go its a nothing compared to the massive gaffs repeated consistently by Morrison and his ministers that have had consequences.
Will it matter? Who knows its a shame because Morrison was on the ropes and this may give him O2 still Morrison is looking frazzled as the old daggy Dad scam is not going to fly this time.
Come on Optimist, you're playing straight from the Morrison playbook, talking rubbish. I'd say the bushfires were the first of the disasters, I don't recall the disasters endured prior to the fires.
Happy to be corrected.
The fires had been burning for ages everywhere before Morrison took his break….so give him a break, sometimes your family has to come first especially on his schedule….I don’t even really like the guy that much but he’s been pretty together through all the disasters and all while China we’re cooking COVID. …and yes it was Morrison who called China out as well…then,..the world followed including the US. ….guys got balls …got to give him that.
Leaders and their qualities are exceedingly important BUT so is the team behind them. Compare the LNPs misfits mostly in witness protection to the Labor shadow ministry, well they don't compare do they?
Supafreak wrote:Albo came across alright on Q&A last night and kept pretty cool with speers interruptions. Slomo has so far declined to go on the show, he’s either a bit shy or doesn’t want to face the public questioning him . He seems to avoid the ABC a fair bit , prefers sky and 9 .
I don't think he does ABC at all, i kind of don't blame him as it is basically Labor's media channel, it was like someone had died last election when results started coming in, but i still think he should do it for the wider Aussie reach especially to the older demographic.
But I'm sure LNP would have weighed up the pros and cons and researched the historical data.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:Albo came across alright on Q&A last night and kept pretty cool with speers interruptions. Slomo has so far declined to go on the show, he’s either a bit shy or doesn’t want to face the public questioning him . He seems to avoid the ABC a fair bit , prefers sky and 9 .
I don't think he does ABC at all, i kind of don't blame him as it is basically Labor's media channel, it was like someone had died last election when results started coming in, but i still think he should do it for the wider Aussie reach especially to the older demographic.
But I'm sure LNP would have weighed up the pros and cons and researched the historical data.
@indo , do you seriously believe David Speers and Fran Kelly are Pro Labor ? Albo fronts up no matter who it is , sky , 7,9,10 ABC …….
"Journalism in Australia is not in a healthy state, and I think [the World Press Freedom Index] is a good warning for us that we need to do something about this." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-04/australia-falls-down-world-press-...
Indo so out of touch he's not worth engaging with.
David Speers, Fran Kelly, Pat Karvalis, Greg Jennett, Jane Norman, Lisa Sales, Stan Grant, Fazia Ibrahim, Michael Rowland, Lisa Millar all copping daily tirades from the left on twitter, as is Ita.
The ABC has been knobbled by the LNP like every other institution in this country.
The hashtag "#ABC your bias is showing" trended number one again today.
Catch up Indo.
jwithay wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:it's rare for him to also need to bring in someone else to answer the question for him.
"Scott Morrison has avoided answering parliamentary questions by referring them to ministerial colleagues 189 times since becoming prime minister, new analysis reveals.
The analysis, undertaken by the parliament’s independent procedure office in response to a request from Labor, indicates there have been a further 62 times when Morrison answered a question in part before asking another minister to add to the answer.
By contrast, the procedure office reported that it could not find any similar cases when Julia Gillard was prime minister from 2010 to 2013."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/14/morrison-deflecte...
(article posted Sun 14th Feb 2021)
Obviously i was talking about during campaign time, which is the time when the PM and opposition leader are out there selling themselves to the public, for Albo this is a real import time to show who he is and what he is capable of etc.
People can say yeah but we dont vote for the person like the USA we vote for the party, but lets be real, just look at this thread and you can see the focus is on the party leader.
Sure you can bring in other leaders to share information from time to time if relevant during the campaign, but timing is everything.
BTW. While that link's narrative is typical of the Guardian the stats for Julia are very interesting and very surprising, you would expect that to be very unusual and Scomos stats to be more the norm, it would have been nice if they had shown other previous leaders stats. (but that might have ruined the narrative)
Anyway parliament is obviously very different, you're not selling yourself to the public and you are working in parliament as a team and would bring out those ministers relevant to the topic discussed/debated, in that environment its actually a smart thing to do thats why you have different ministers for different areas and you also want to stroke their ego you would want to share some of the spot light and for as many of your ministers to feel as important and involved as possible, you would have to expect Julia not doing this would have put a lot of noses out in her party and worked against her, which makes sense knowing the history of where she ended up and how.
adam12 wrote:Indo so out of touch he's not worth engaging with.
David Speers, Fran Kelly, Pat Karvalis, Greg Jennett, Jane Norman, Lisa Sales, Stan Grant, Fazia Ibrahim, Michael Rowland, Lisa Millar all copping daily tirades from the left on twitter, as is Ita.
The ABC has been knobbled by the LNP like every other institution in this country.
The hashtag "#ABC your bias is showing" trended number one again today.
Catch up Indo.
You have lost me?
Are you suggesting ABC is bias towards LNP?
And there is others on twitter who believe this???? ( i don't do twitter)
Fuck it's a very weird world if thats the case....
Like seriously how on earth could anyone with any grasp of reality think that?, if it was true Scomo would be 100% happy to go on the ABC any day of the week, going on ABC would work in his favour, but obviously it doesn't.
OK so every news outlet/broadcaster is suddenly pro-Libs. I'll make sure I only watch al-jazeera and read the Socialist Weekly from now on. Thanks for the heads-up.
Still persisting with this nonsense that the ABC is hideously biased I see. I guess when you submerge yourself in Sky news & The Australian, reasonable journalism seems radical by comparison.
If the ABC was really demonstrably, systemically biased against the coalition, they could do something about it. They don't do anything about it because - aside from not being true - it is more beneficial for coalition members to whinge about it.
So why do you think Scomo will go on ABC Radio or TV?
Surely if he was going to presented accurately and fairly he would be happy to go on ABC
BTW. Id love to read the Australian but it's pay walled on 99% of articles.
That's the problem indo, he'll be presented accurately, that'd be dreadful for him.
Scomo won't go on ABC for the exact same reasons coalition members bellyache about the ABC rather than doing anything about it - it's more politically useful for them to rail against it.
Ha ha sure.
Even without funding issues, I'm sure the ABC would lean left, just like in the UK they have the same issues with the BBC.
But it's pretty simple really
A Labor government in power equals ensured funding and support for the ABC
A LNP government in power equals, uncertainty in funding and minimal support possible and many would like to see the ABC privatised.
So in a sense you cant blame them for rooting for a Labor government.
Indo for a guy who spends a lot of time spouting opinion here you really need to be better informed.
For just an example, one of many, of ABC pro LNP bias, google 'why was Fazia Ibrahim stood down', then google 'Jane Norman affair Christian Porter', then google 'who is Lisa Miller's father' then get back to me for more, like 'David Speers or Patricia Karvalas previous employer', it can go on and on, why was Emma Alberici fired?, on and on.
Indo failed high school and he’s maintained that standard of critical thinking ever since.
Scotty the chicken. Too gutless to go on Q&A with former Murdoch host David Speers reminds me how he was too gutlles to face the Lismore victims, or the women marching In Canberra last year. Even Howard had balls and faced those gun owners after the Port Arthur shootings.
So, looks like that under cooked curry isn't the only chicken in this campaign.
Sheepdog wrote:Scotty the chicken. Too gutless to go on Q&A with former Murdoch host David Speers reminds me how he was too gutlles to face the Lismore victims, or the women marching In Canberra last year. Even Howard had balls and faced those gun owners after the Port Arthur shootings.
So, looks like that under cooked curry isn't the only chicken in this campaign.
It’s not speers he’s afraid of , it’s the questions from everyday Australians. And some think he’s brave and stood up to china , more like he’s a dumb fuck with no diplomatic skills. Optimist post about no other politician on either side could have got us through the last few years like slomo did was a classic.
Yep all the focus on personalities misses the whole point and that’s why the LNP love it, otherwise we’d be hearing about their policies and structural changes they're making to the way they want the economy to run instead of an endless round of hairdressing and baking antics
There is one mob who tries to come up with policies to make Australia fairer and more equitable.
The other mob insist that the system only works if private companies and churches get paid a shit load of taxpayers money for doing the job. Basically, just hand out the cash and step aside to let the chips fall where they may
“The risk is that governments eventually write contracts, or even design funding, to prop up service providers, not because it will deliver outcomes to taxpayers”
Case in point is that the latest NDIS change made by the government was to eliminate “red tape” to streamline payments to NDIS providers. Red tape is usually code for accountability measures and this change just widens the pipeline for receiving government payments.
Meanwhile clients are having funding cut, agencies set up to help clients navigate the system have lost all funding so have closed down and people who are eligible for and need the services can’t get them. But yeah, some guy fudged his lines so that’s what everyone focuses on
All the funding arrangements for education, aged care, healthcare, industry grants etc are the same. Not one politician or public servant could tell you how much of the funding given to these providers is used to provide the service they are contracted to do and how much goes to profit or into the church coffers. If you ran a business like that you’d be bankrupt in a year
These two articles go some way to pointing out the obvious. Obvious to anyone who’s paying attention at least
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-07/australia-hospitals-aged-care-dis...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-06/analysis-the-public-service-has-b...
IMF??
Left wing bias, off course.
Get a life circle jerkers ffs.
Cockee the obsession with the masturbation thing.... not a good look.
Disagree with the IMF Cockee?
With Alan Austin?
adam12 wrote:Indo for a guy who spends a lot of time spouting opinion here you really need to be better informed.
For just an example, one of many, of ABC pro LNP bias, google 'why was Fazia Ibrahim stood down', then google 'Jane Norman affair Christian Porter', then google 'who is Lisa Miller's father' then get back to me for more, like 'David Speers or Patricia Karvalas previous employer', it can go on and on, why was Emma Alberici fired?, on and on.
I only googled one story and it's enough, some ABC presenter Fauziah Ibrahim ironically a women and of colour, gets trolled and harassed by some nut case lefties on Twitter that thinks she is being bias against Labor because she apparently talked over Albo when interviewing him, so she makes a shit list of the trolls on her twitter account labelling one "Labor trolls/thugs"
And this apparently means ABC support LNP, despite all evidence that goes against he narrative.
For all we know she could still very well be a moderate Labor voter who just doesn't like being harassed by radical lefties, but it would be nice to believe there is some LNP voters among the ABC even if it was a tiny percentage and would be even better if they were women of colour.
Seriously dude you're getting into full nutter territory trying to claim ABC have a LNP bias its just ridiculous, but then again aren't you that guy that tries to somehow paint Antifa as decent people?
AndyM wrote:Indo failed high school and he’s maintained that standard of critical thinking ever since.
Just for the record i don't think I technically failed high school as such, i just ended up doing all irrelevant art type classes.
As i said many times I use to be a leftie until i developed actual critical thinking skills.
If you still have the political beliefs at 30+ that you did at 18, you either got very lucky or lack critical thinking skills to re access things and admit to yourself you were wrong.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-07/australia-hospitals-aged-care-dis...
Good article from Laura Tingle this morning on some of the issues surrounding the care industry and outsourcing.
indo-dreaming wrote:If you still have the political beliefs at 30+ that you did at 18, you either got very lucky or lack critical thinking skills to re access things and admit to yourself you were wrong.
I don’t really subscribe to this belief. When I was 18 I thought that the average working person deserved a dignified existence commensurate with the overall prosperity of the nation and that the wealth discrepancy between classes should not be too large as most people play an essential role in the functioning of a society.
I still believe this. Not much has changed with my political ideology. Nothing to do with luck.
Well that's a first I thought I'd never see here @info talking about critical thinking skills. The lill guy is getting way ahead of himself there, all 5'2" of him.
I agree with @Blowin above. Interesting, that was the way of the world (worker:executive salary ratios) up until the start of neoliberalism which has gutted the middle and blew out the inequity gap.
Heard this morning that internal Liberal polling is saying Frydenberg and Wilson are both in serious trouble. Fuck I hope so.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:If you still have the political beliefs at 30+ that you did at 18, you either got very lucky or lack critical thinking skills to re access things and admit to yourself you were wrong.
I don’t really subscribe to this belief. When I was 18 I thought that the average working person deserved a dignified existence commensurate with the overall prosperity of the nation and that the wealth discrepancy between classes should not be too large as most people play an essential role in the functioning of a society.
I still believe this. Not much has changed with my political ideology. Nothing to do with luck.
The problem with that view is it ignores the fact that equality of opportunity doesn't equal equality of outcome, never has never will. (success is never equal)
The only way you can have the outcome you want is to penalise people for success and reward people for mediocrity. (the basis of leftism)
Which obviously doesn't work, it's why true socialism and communism always fail.
Over the last hundred years or so we have seen capitalism blossom, which has seen productivity and inovation increase and advances in human civilisation increase including living standards and less people in poverty.(80% of the world 200 years ago to only 10% today)
Its no different to surfing we all generally have a similar opportunity to be a ripper, but most of us will never be and the gap between kook and ripper will only get wider with time, but also in general the average level of surfing in the wider global community is always rising even if slowly.
Not at all. It just means the CEO should only be paid a only few times that of the guy cleaning the shitters in the factory. The enterprise fails should either neglect their task. Obviously the CEO is selected from a smaller pool of available talent and their responsibility is greater therefore their remuneration should be larger. Larger should be a few times greater, not 10,000 times greater than the person at the bottom of the hierarchy.
Motivation towards success and achievement is provided but the society destroying disparity of wealth is avoided. Everyone wins.
I think that Kelly Slater is probably deserving of a fair share of sets at a break but I don’t think he should be entitled to all the good waves or even most of them. He’s just a person and he should be just as quick to hoot the punter beside him into a set if he’s been taking an excess share of the waves. That’s how a just society operates. I want to live in a just society and so should anyone who isn’t a greedy psychopath because we all need each other to exist the way we do. It behoves Kelly to remember that he may break his back on the next wave and he will need the other members of the lineup to help him get to shore alive. The fact that he does off the lip spinners better than they do means fuck all then. Same as the CEO charged with overseeing the manufacture of widgets of convenience ….he needs the nurse, the garbo and the shelf stacker at the supermarket to survive. All should be entitled to a dignified share of society’s rewards as they all contribute.to it’s success.
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