2022 Election
Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Im not getting into a discussion about Vietnam, but at least he had the balls to go and fight for people's freedoms.
I bet some of you are old enough to be conscripted and ran and hid.
Any confessions?
Off course indo here brags about how he went on the dole instead of getting a job, but would like us to believe that he would've gone to war.
When i was on the dole i was a lefty like you, there is no way in hell I would have gone to war back then, i was against us even having a a defence force, my mindset was so idealistic and naive, i remember having arguments with my parents about war etc and deeply regret the things i said to my father in the heat of the moment about him going to Vietnam etc.
I had exactly the same mindset back then as i see here on all kinds of issues, for example i was against big business so much i boycotted eating McDonalds for years even though i loved it, id sit there in Maccas hungry while my friends feed their faces, kind of funny but also real cringey thinking about it now.
Would i go to war today or fight for our country like the people in Ukraine, id like to think so but hard to say unless your put in the situation.
All that said im proud of my father for going to Vietnam.
indo-dreaming wrote:Hiccups wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Im not getting into a discussion about Vietnam, but at least he had the balls to go and fight for people's freedoms.
I bet some of you are old enough to be conscripted and ran and hid.
Any confessions?
Off course indo here brags about how he went on the dole instead of getting a job, but would like us to believe that he would've gone to war.
When i was on the dole i was a lefty like you, there is no way in hell I would have gone to war back then, i was against us even having a a defence force, my mindset was so idealistic and naive, i remember having arguments with my parents about war etc and deeply regret the things i said to my father in the heat of the moment about him going to Vietnam etc.
I had exactly the same mindset back then as i see here on all kinds of issues, for example i was against big business so much i boycotted eating McDonalds for years even though i loved it, id sit there in Maccas hungry while my friends feed their faces, kind of funny but also real cringey thinking about it now.
Would i go to war today or fight for our country like the people in Ukraine, id like to think so but hard to say unless your put in the situation.
All that said im proud of my father for going to Vietnam.
There’s nothing wrong with honouring those that go to war. But war should not be looked at with nostalgia but always with focus, as there’s those that bear the cost of war but normally they are not those that bring us to war.
People concerned about womens safety should be talking about how many women over 50yo are sleeping in their cars, on friends couches, or even worse.
Australian census-
Gender diverse folk - 1260
HOMELESS WOMEN over 55yo - 6866.
Nearly SEVEN THOUSAND WOMEN OVER 55 HOMELESS!!!!!!
And if womens and childrens safety is REALLY WHAT Scummo and Deves is on about, why has Morrison cut funding for womens and kids safety? This is just one of dozens of examples-
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6543198/it-saves-lives-fundin...
Come election time there is always plenty of money to go around, well promised anyway and we know the Scott Morrison Party always keeps election promises. ………. Coalition has promised voters $833m a day as it outspends Labor in campaign mode
By Katina Curtis and Shane Wright
April 25, 2022 — 5.00am
The Coalition has promised $833 million a day to electorates around the country since the week of the March 29 federal budget as it goes on a spending spree to hold on to power at next month’s election.
From large-scale dams that have yet to be judged against a business case, to BMX courses and footpaths in must-win seats, the Coalition has announced $23.3 billion in projects in the four weeks since the budget at an average of eight election sweeteners a day. Labor has been left behind, offering a “modest” $1.9 billion across almost 100 projects that include assistance to veterans, building a skate park and an upgraded pavilion at a community tennis club.
The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been tracking promises made by both major parties since October last year, but there has been a flurry of activity – particularly at the marginal seat level – since the week Treasurer Josh Frydenberg handed down his fourth budget.
That budget confirmed the country’s third-largest deficit at $80 billion this year after the two largest deficits over the previous two years. Gross debt is expected to reach a record $1.2 trillion by 2025-26 with the budget not projected to get back into surplus this decade. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-has-promised-voters-83...
Supafreak wrote:Come election time there is always plenty of money to go around, well promised anyway and we know the Scott Morrison Party always keeps election promises. ………. Coalition has promised voters $833m a day as it outspends Labor in campaign mode
By Katina Curtis and Shane Wright
April 25, 2022 — 5.00am
The Coalition has promised $833 million a day to electorates around the country since the week of the March 29 federal budget as it goes on a spending spree to hold on to power at next month’s election.From large-scale dams that have yet to be judged against a business case, to BMX courses and footpaths in must-win seats, the Coalition has announced $23.3 billion in projects in the four weeks since the budget at an average of eight election sweeteners a day. Labor has been left behind, offering a “modest” $1.9 billion across almost 100 projects that include assistance to veterans, building a skate park and an upgraded pavilion at a community tennis club.
The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have been tracking promises made by both major parties since October last year, but there has been a flurry of activity – particularly at the marginal seat level – since the week Treasurer Josh Frydenberg handed down his fourth budget.
That budget confirmed the country’s third-largest deficit at $80 billion this year after the two largest deficits over the previous two years. Gross debt is expected to reach a record $1.2 trillion by 2025-26 with the budget not projected to get back into surplus this decade. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-has-promised-voters-83...
The amounts of money (debt $1.2 trill FFS) being thrown around has gotten well beyond stupid will Australians vote this?
Can you imagine the media response if this was Albo ?
After the latest polls I’m expecting the media to ramp up their slomo campaign .Lest he forgot. https://t.co/ECv3ULfbX8
— PRGuy (@PRGuy17) April 25, 2022
Surely, if there's one time you can put the phone away and turn it off...
I hope info doesn't see his hero being so disrespectful. He'll be crestfallen.
https://www.friendlyjordies.com/post/corruption-in-australia?fbclid=IwAR.... Australia's Levels of Corruption Continue to Worsen https://transparency.org.au/global-ranking/
Thanks supafreak,it's a pity the media doesn't focus on the real issues like this proof of the low levels this disgraceful government has taken us to.
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA
Sheepdog wrote:Katherine Deves- "I have received death threats, I have had to have the police and the AFP involved".
Police - "not aware of any threats made against Katherine Deves".
Deves a confirmed LIAR by police. No wonder Morrison the liar likes her.https://7news.com.au/politics/election/police-have-no-record-of-deves-th...
This is for you SheepDog seeing you seem to have a thing for Katherine Deves
BTW. AFP are totally different to State Police force, no surprise if they don't share info she might have contacted state police and they just told her to contact AFP so have no official record of her contact being made, yeah It's always possible she is lying too, stranger things have happened, but Id still be surprised if she is lying seeing if she is she will be caught out and look pretty silly and lose her position and maybe even be charged in some way for making serious false claims.
But seeing she is in hiding and they are pretty serious allegations it's probably a good idea to take her word for now.
I didn't know Bob Katter was indigenous.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2022/04/22/bob-katter-again-claims-a...
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/04/25/tax-morrison-.... The $14.8 billion in planned tax hikes the Liberal Party failed to mention
Here are 3 simple policy changes that can help many people, all existing in some shape and form in other countries:
1) Household Income Tax Rates - Currently, we all pay individual tax rates. But that doesn't need to be the only option. Families with kids should be able to claim combined income and lodge under lower household rates. Obviously household with 3 kids has much bigger expenses than 1 individual. This is a way to help families with the rising cost of living.
2) Dependent Tax Offset - Currently, there are no dependent offsets to income tax. To help people with kids but also those who need to care for a disabled member of the household individuals can receive an offset when doing their tax return. For example, the tax liability can decrease to $1,000 per dependant (arbitrary number). We already have a low-income offset so the framework is there.
3) Higher Aged Pension Income Threshold - Currently, a retired person who wants to work can only earn $170 per fortnight before their aged pension starts getting reduced. This threshold is ridiculous and pointless. It basically limits the pensioners to only ~1 day of work per fortnight (or a few smaller hours here/there chunks). Many don't mind working a bit more than that but are scared of the impacts on their pension. Not to mention that they need to login into Centrelink every week and declare if they earned anything which builds anxiety in people.
Our politicians would be well aware of these policies (widely used in other countries) but they are reluctant to discuss them. Why? It seems that memes, empty rhetoric, and ridicule work way better.
Jason Clare calls out the latest scare campaign.
— Squizz (@SquizzSTK) April 27, 2022
"half the Liberal Party .. think climate change is what happens when you go to Hawaii for a holiday"#auspol pic.twitter.com/3Oy7Qv3i4l
I know I crap on about the benefits of moving away from the two majors, but don't just believe me.
Sure, Lib or Lab will still eventually get in, but a hung parliament is nothing to freak out about.
With regards to better policy outcomes, it could actually be the result the country needs.
According to highly regarded independent Tony Windsor, a hung parliament means a more equitable distribution of power across committees in the Lower House, which results in everyone having a more equal say in debates and committee processes.
He reckons "One of the things a minority government does is that it takes some of the power away from the executive and the prime minister's office.
In a hung parliament you remove some of that power and you actually empower the parliament itself."
How good would a carefully selected cross-bench be??
Actually the scariest thing about this election is the whole put the majors last mantra and popularity of people to vote for independents and nutter parties.
And im not just talking nutters on the left the whole teal thing, but the nutters on the right to especially the whole freedom party type thing.
"How good would a carefully selected cross-bench be??"
Bloody brilliant.
indo-dreaming wrote:Actually the scariest thing about this election is the whole put the majors last mantra and popularity of people to vote for independents and nutter parties.
And im not just talking nutters on the left the whole teal thing, but the nutters on the right to especially the whole freedom party type thing.
What's scary about it?
The biggest nutters in politics are the ones currently in power.
True extremists.
Although Indo likes to characterise my politics incorrectly as a commie, my preferred outcome is for a minority government with the teal crossbenchers plus Adam Bandt, Helen Haines, Alan Wilkie and even Bob Katter. Bob is mad as a hatter but he is a great representative for his local community, and he is as authentic as the best of them.
Alas for Indo, my preference is also for competent government, so that means a Labor minority government. We might not get competent government from a Labor minority government, but 9 years is enough for me to know, not think, that the LNP cannot provide it. At least with Labor it is a numerical possibility.
...and also Carolyn Heise for cowper - in the same model as the "voices4" as helen haines in indi
AndyM wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Actually the scariest thing about this election is the whole put the majors last mantra and popularity of people to vote for independents and nutter parties.
And im not just talking nutters on the left the whole teal thing, but the nutters on the right to especially the whole freedom party type thing.
What's scary about it?
The biggest nutters in politics are the ones currently in power.
True extremists.
Im sure you don't really believe that, both the LNP and dare i say Labor can run a country and generally speaking have common sense, experience and wisdom, obviously LNP more so as are the most experienced and most proven.
The other parties and especially independents are just there to appeal to people and only tell people(their niche group) what they want to hear, personally i want as less influence from them as possible.
As a swing voter and now liberal/ morrsion hater I had planned to throw my vote at labour this election , almost come to terms with Albo (an improvement after Burnt Scrotum anyhow) then all of a sudden kevin Krudd was in the media , getting gifted a plum job of some description in the labour ranks, this just threw my whole plan , Albo maybe (only just)but putting that fuckstick rudd anywhere in the team and I am out , I,d as soon give the Greens or shit even Pauline my vote (as sad as that may seem) over that white haired cunt and I am sure that I am not the only one with this conundrum, does anyone know how much involvement Krudd will have if / when labour win?
Indo- How is Scomo qualified to run Australia ? Literally.
What qualifications do you think he possesses which an independent candidate might be lacking?
You understand he’s got no skills relevant to running an economy, a defence force, international diplomacy or any single part of the machinery essential for a functioning nation? Nothing. None. No skills, talents or abilities.
He got voted in after being pushed into a safe seat by political corruption within his party. That’s the only reason he is Prime Minister.
Scott Morrison is as no more suited to running a country than the average punter waiting for their number to be called at Centrelink. That’s not an exaggeration or a glib statement. It’s 100% true.
On the contrary, most independents have to at least win their local seat by establishing their personal merit from a standing start. Something Scomo never had to do.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:Indo- How is Scomo qualified to run Australia ? Literally.
What qualifications do you think he possesses which an independent candidate might be lacking?
You understand he’s got no skills relevant to running an economy, a defence force, international diplomacy or any single part of the machinery essential for a functioning nation? Nothing. None. No skills, talents or abilities.
He got voted in after being pushed into a safe seat by political corruption within his party. That’s the only reason he is Prime Minister.
Scott Morrison is as no more suited to running a country than the average punter waiting for their number to be called at Centrelink. That’s not an exaggeration or a glib statement. It’s 100% true.
On the contrary, most independents have to at least win their local seat by establishing their personal merit from a standing start. Something Scomo never had to do.
I was thinking more parties than individuals
But if talking individuals Scomo like many PM's already has years to decades in politics and in a major party that has been in opposition and in government so seen it from both sides and even before being PM knew the inner workings, especially as he had been a minister for a party in power as both, immigration/border control and then minister for social services.
Obviously now he has the experience of being PM, including getting us through one of the biggest events in our history, he is now the longest serving PM since Howard (15 years ago) and now the 9th longest serving PM in Australian history, longer than 21 others including the last 4 PM's (Krudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull)
Out of everyone currently in politics he is easily the most experienced, if you don't agree then please tell me who has more experience or more qualified that is still in politics????
Well that’s being nice and diplomatic isn’t it?….France has got less to vote for than us…..I agree with mikeHunt ….hard to vote Labor with the derros like business destroying krudd whom I shamefully voted for hanging around and Albo saying he wants to model Australia on Anastasia’s qld govt….bloody heck….I used to make fun of Jim chalmers but at least he seems a decent person…..this is a tough one and the independents have no plan except “vote for me I’m nice”…… I’m going to vote for frydenburg and that’s the only reason I’m going nationals again as I don’t like Barnaby either. I think frydenburg who had a lot of debt to deal with before COVID will be the one to pay it back better…taxes don’t bother me cause I’m retired but, remember that Labor are big taxing Govts and even tax retirees, dead people ..super, as well as higher income taxes to balance their books. I think josh understands small business best as everyone I know including my kids are powering and making heaps on lower income taxes…..just sayin…
Your an evil man supa….driven even….
batfink wrote:my preferred outcome is for a minority government with the teal crossbenchers plus Adam Bandt, Helen Haines, Alan Wilkie and even Bob Katter. Bob is mad as a hatter but he is a great representative for his local community, and he is as authentic as the best of them.
I agree that this is probably the best result we could hope for.
Optimist wrote:Well that’s being nice and diplomatic isn’t it?….France has got less to vote for than us…..I agree with mikeHunt ….hard to vote Labor with the derros like business destroying krudd whom I shamefully voted for hanging around and Albo saying he wants to model Australia on Anastasia’s qld govt….bloody heck….I used to make fun of Jim chalmers but at least he seems a decent person…..this is a tough one and the independents have no plan except “vote for me I’m nice”…… I’m going to vote for frydenburg and that’s the only reason I’m going nationals again as I don’t like Barnaby either. I think frydenburg who had a lot of debt to deal with before COVID will be the one to pay it back better…taxes don’t bother me cause I’m retired but, remember that Labor are big taxing Govts and even tax retirees, dead people ..super, as well as higher income taxes to balance their books. I think josh understands small business best as everyone I know including my kids are powering and making heaps on lower income taxes…..just sayin…
no death tax and i think you'll find taxes on low income earners increases with offsets expiring and fuel excise returning to normal. libs are preaching no new taxes but analysis guarantees the hikes are coming.
also look at campaign spending, thats a lot of public debt your kids get to pay back if the libs are victorious. $1.3 trillion and climbing. what public services will get cuts to cover the libs purchasing an election on the public purse. privatisation? real economic powerhouses. maybe not so much eh'.
Optimist wrote:Your an evil man supa….driven even….
Matthew 7:5
mikehunt207 wrote:As a swing voter and now liberal/ morrsion hater I had planned to throw my vote at labour this election , almost come to terms with Albo (an improvement after Burnt Scrotum anyhow) then all of a sudden kevin Krudd was in the media , getting gifted a plum job of some description in the labour ranks, this just threw my whole plan , Albo maybe (only just)but putting that fuckstick rudd anywhere in the team and I am out , I,d as soon give the Greens or shit even Pauline my vote (as sad as that may seem) over that white haired cunt and I am sure that I am not the only one with this conundrum, does anyone know how much involvement Krudd will have if / when labour win?
Here you go Mike
indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Actually the scariest thing about this election is the whole put the majors last mantra and popularity of people to vote for independents and nutter parties.
And im not just talking nutters on the left the whole teal thing, but the nutters on the right to especially the whole freedom party type thing.
What's scary about it?
The biggest nutters in politics are the ones currently in power.
True extremists.Im sure you don't really believe that, both the LNP and dare i say Labor can run a country and generally speaking have common sense, experience and wisdom, obviously LNP more so as are the most experienced and most proven.
The other parties and especially independents are just there to appeal to people and only tell people(their niche group) what they want to hear, personally i want as less influence from them as possible.
I see their environmental and economic policies as being absolutely extreme.
When he says "I wish you caarnts would die", he does have this, you know, certain air of sincerity.
Our emissions down 20%….NZ down 4%…Canada down 1%…OECD average down 7%…..we will smash our targets.
Optimist wrote:Our emissions down 20%….NZ down 4%…Canada down 1%…OECD average down 7%…..we will smash our targets.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/17/is-australia-really-.... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-08/fact-check-scott-morrison-emissio... The only way Fact Check could find a reduction of over 20 per cent using a calendar year was by calculating the difference between the quarterly December 2020 figure and the quarterly December 2005 figure, which yields a fall in emissions of 20.5 per cent.
The spokesman confirmed that this was the basis for Mr Morrison's calculation.
Experts contacted by Fact Check pointed to a range of problems with using quarterly figures.
Circle jerking continues unabated...yawn. Freakie Friday and Andy Pandy must have a lot of time on their hands. I wonder if they actually believe what they (must be getting paid to, surely) post?
Calling fake news on that Opti. Got a source?
Australia’s rating: “Highly insufficient “.
https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/australia/
Edit, just saw Supa’s post. Off course, it came Morrison. A bit of statistical massaging, claiming credit for outcomes while doing nothing, that’s our Scott. What a champ. Carry on.
I see him more like this Supa.
Think you’re right blackers 
AndyM wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:AndyM wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Actually the scariest thing about this election is the whole put the majors last mantra and popularity of people to vote for independents and nutter parties.
And im not just talking nutters on the left the whole teal thing, but the nutters on the right to especially the whole freedom party type thing.
What's scary about it?
The biggest nutters in politics are the ones currently in power.
True extremists.Im sure you don't really believe that, both the LNP and dare i say Labor can run a country and generally speaking have common sense, experience and wisdom, obviously LNP more so as are the most experienced and most proven.
The other parties and especially independents are just there to appeal to people and only tell people(their niche group) what they want to hear, personally i want as less influence from them as possible.
I see their environmental and economic policies as being absolutely extreme.
I agree going carbon free by 2050 is pretty extreme, but Labor have the same policy, and its just something we need to do.
And yes it was extreme to pay people not to work and double people's dole but it was what was needed to be done to keep peoples jobs, they are not economic measures i would normally support, but it was a once in one hundred year pandemic, so needed extreme measures.
Same with lockdowns and closing borders, its all extreme but they were things that had to be done, and all these measures are what has got us through Covid as one of most successful countries both from a health and economic perspective during Covid.
Optimist wrote:Our emissions down 20%….NZ down 4%…Canada down 1%…OECD average down 7%…..we will smash our targets.
Hmmm those percentages might be exaggerating but Australia does seem to be doing better than Canada and as good or even better than NZ. can only see up to 2018 though.
The Blue line is us
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?end=2018&locations=A...
Oh those are per captia emissions
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